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Malcolm Roberts
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Le Soltueur
If you're in a corp and you're bored and looking for something to do - dec these guys - Angelic Research and Development. We've done most of the hard work. The tower comes out of reinforced mode at 21:50 EVE on Wednesday. There's (loosely) about 4 billion isk worth of faction fittings on that tower you can claim as your own once the tower is destroyed.
I wonder how many war decs will result over the scramble for that loot, lol...
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Jones Bones
I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
Why CCP allows high sec POSes is beyond me.
Go search for that Imune thread.
I don't feel like digging up the imune thread but I have this one bookmarked.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Dixie
Imperium Signal Corps
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:19:00 -
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At the end of the day you have a POS that the original intent was low sec, allowed in high sec which has become nearly invulnerable. I don't believe CCP wanted it to be so impossible/difficult to take a tower down. Based on how little this happens it should be good enough proof that some mechanic is now flawed.
With the introduction of faction towers and mods it was not made any easier. Pushing mechanics from battleships are possible, to dreads are nearly required.
The battle of empire is not even one of resources so having it much harder to kill is not going to help the cause and increase the percentage of towers killed over feuds etc.
At least in low sec the only thing leaving the alliance does is require the enemy to take a sec hit.
Regardless of this all, stuff will certainly die one way or another.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:25:00 -
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Also this thread should be renamed craptactics.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Faekurias
Raptus Regalitor
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:28:00 -
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Been there, done that :/ Balls man, balls
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langaidin
GANK STARZ
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
I can also confirm that DrunkenIrony or Drunk as many call him is his main. (He's been around a while and peeps know him, even if he doesn't post on the forums much)
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Dawts
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
Confirming Molly owes this man $10.00
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:51:00 -
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Ultimately, what this whole mess demonstrates is that large hi-sec POSses are broken. There is entirely too much reward for entirely too little risk, and that is a bad thing. CCP needs to find some way to remove them from the game (providing appropriate warning to High-sec POS owners and returning their POSses/mods to hangars, of course). The fact that it took 8 hours for the three largest mercenary corporations in the game to reinforce a POS is just nuts.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:00:00 -
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endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry
1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit
2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx.
All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it.
If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 23:41:58
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
Ultimately, what this whole mess demonstrates is that large hi-sec POSses are broken. There is entirely too much reward for entirely too little risk, and that is a bad thing. CCP needs to find some way to remove them from the game (providing appropriate warning to High-sec POS owners and returning their POSses/mods to hangars, of course). The fact that it took 8 hours for the three largest mercenary corporations in the game to reinforce a POS is just nuts.
You should see what happens when the pos is properly defended. We could have saved it had the client been around.
Dreads are the proper counter to a large pos, so where there are no dreads, I would agree, there should be no large posses.
C'est la vie.
edit: well, if we could rep it, that is.
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The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:48:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Frug
You should see what happens when the pos is properly defended. We could have saved it had the client been around.
BUT you are saving it for the client ....
ONE piece at a time ...
I hope you're gonna give those mods back you're hauling away 
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:50:00 -
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Let me give you the short version of the op...
we tried to kill a tower- but couldnt. Everything anyone but us does is an exploit. That tower should of died instantly because we want it dead.
Fixing a tower- exploit.
Not letting your tower die- exploit
Not standing still while we kill you- exploit
leaving an alliance- exploit
joining an alliance- exploit
being wardeced but not self destructing your ships- exploit
Yep thats about it- hey why not try this for a change- if you want to destroy ppl in highsec- maybe find a corp that wants to fight. Its a thought.
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
Who would of guessed?
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The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:53:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Future Mutant
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
NEWSFLASH ... its down
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Hellown
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:02:00 -
[106]
Congrats on the take down, glad the exploiters didnt get away with it, enjoy your faction mods :)
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:04:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Future Mutant
Let me give you the short version of the op...
we tried to kill a tower- but couldnt. Everything anyone but us does is an exploit. That tower should of died instantly because we want it dead.
Fixing a tower- exploit.
Not letting your tower die- exploit
Not standing still while we kill you- exploit
leaving an alliance- exploit
joining an alliance- exploit
being wardeced but not self destructing your ships- exploit
It's because of these gray areas, and the fact that every party involved in this situation has used every 'exploit' at his disposal in order to get the job done, that I've said from the beginning that whining about exploits is sad. There's no other way to do it.
In my opinion nobody should have begun the petitioning and exploit whines, and this whole irritating thread could have been avoided. We were in a similar spot not long ago, with neutral reppers, alliance leavers, etc. and everyone dealt with it quietly. I suppose next time you'll be more used to how these ops go.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:05:00 -
[108]
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Future Mutant
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
NEWSFLASH ... its down
Congrats.
Bastard.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:05:00 -
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Tower is down, thanks to Genos for the work around. GIS, good show.
REPO good try, lol at Frug ninja looting repaired guns. That going back to your employer, or do you need to keep it? And by the way, it WILL be talked about on the podcast this week, so deposit all tears into conveniently sized cups.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:07:00 -
[110]
Sounds like they got what they deserved.
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Alpha Dragh
Caldari
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:12:00 -
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We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
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G.I.S.
Gemeinschaft Interstellarer S÷ldner
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Roastedpot
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:14:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Alpha Dragh
We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
good show G.I.S. lots of respect, i had no idea who you were until a few days ago, and i like ya so far :)
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:20:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Alpha Dragh
We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
Because GIS are not decced to Noir. or WHACK, this would be an exploit. Citation: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
Props to GIS for playing within the rules.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:27:00 -
[114]
a PS to this, according to Genos the dropping alliance to extend a war dec is fine but i think it should be added to the list of things that need to get fixed. There's WAY too much room for abuse on both ends of this mechanic.
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IvyRose
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:45:00 -
[115]
i have no reason to post here im sorry :\
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:47:00 -
[116]
/me faceplants
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:20:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
REPO good try, lol at Frug ninja looting repaired guns. And by the way, it WILL be talked about on the podcast this week, so deposit all tears into conveniently sized cups.
The podcasts are too boring for me, but I have no tears. The looting is really just me. Because 200 million isk was worth it.
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:10:00 -
[118]
Exploit exploit exploit. Boo hoo hoo. It's a highsec Pos it'll be a ***** to kill anyway, deal with the fact that war declarations are annoying. They can keep paying to form new alliances and swap alliances. Basically you'll be getting in a bidding war over whether you can wardec them or not.
It can happen, oh well deal with it.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:22:00 -
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Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
and it ceased to exist in a very unspectacular way.
i mean, wtf ccp? fix the goddam fireworks
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