Then don't tank your Hulk and accept that you are sacrificing your defense (increasing the risk to your ship) in order to maximize your yield (increasing your reward).

Everybody else makes compromises when fitting their ships, why should miners be any different?

Anyway, if you want to be PERFECTLY SAFE, mine in a Rokh. Now before you whine "But Battleships aren't mining ships, I want SP" and shit your pants, the Rokh is not required to mine. It is a STRATEGY that will allow you to mine with much less risk than mining in a Hulk represents.
With the new rigs and one Aoede, you can fit all the lows with mining upgrades and get 42k EHP. (Not recommended)
Dropping the Aoede for a Co-Pro, you get 92k EHP (109 if you OH as you see the gank incoming). (Recommended)
100k EHP, most of the Yield of a Hulk, and the insurable hull is 2/3 of its fitted value.
Both need a CPU implant, but v0v

You Sir are my hero. Why didnt i think of that, a Rohk for mining .. wait .. oh poops.
So if you are correct in your math here, doesnt it actually mean that a Hulk is really the piece of shite it truelly is ?
Maths aside, a Rohk is way cooler ( if such is applicable to mining anyways) then a boring ass Hulk.

And look at what isk goes into someone elses pocket when you build that Rohk compared to a Hulk and as you pointed out the insurance vallue.

What you described is emergent gameplay at its finest, overcoming obstacles by using skill and creativity, in order to carry out a goal.

A hulk will tank a pair of alpha maelstroms easily.

Well this has turned into a complete goon -alt-a- thon.

No surprise there huh CCP ??

CCP hasn't figured out a good PvP mechanism so they are just going with the Gooons "Content". Wonderful!

And an ex Goon is telling how cool the completely fail UI is gonna work for us.

CCP you got garbage in u house. Clean it up!

The Hulk has a better yield because it gives up Everything else to have that yield. So the Hulk is fine and so are the rest of the ORE ships (the 1 laser T1 barge needs help, actually).

Fly covetors not hulks.

There's going to be some dead catalysts hehe, enjoy.

Right now Hulks are getting ganked by 5m Isk catalysts. If everyone tanked their Hulks to beat off 2 arty maels, Suicide ganking would be much more expensive and thus less common.

Horsepucky, it never slowed us (me) down, and it hasn't slowed down anyone in the last 4 Hulkageddons....

Are you talking about a fully tanked Hulk or a full yield Hulk here ? I am no math guy, i do appreciate your Rohk input.

Max yield Rokh (w/Aeode) has a yield of 2.8*8*60=1344m3/min
Max Tank Rokh (1 Co-Proc) has a yield of 2.57*8*60=1233.6m3/min
Max yield Hulk has a yield of 8.37*3*60=1506.6m3/min

None of these are implanted or fleet boosted numbers.

If you're as successful an architect/designer as you claim to be, why don't you just build yourself a new Hulk, miner-boy?

If you're as successful an architect/designer as you claim to be, why don't you just build yourself a new Hulk, miner-boy?

Horsepucky, it never slowed us (me) down, and it hasn't slowed down anyone in the last 4 Hulkageddons....

Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade

[Rokh, Miner]
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Co-Processor II

'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Large Shield Extender II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Mining Drone I x5
My current mining ship - 115K ehp - and still could be taken out by 25 or 30 catalysts - now THAT stops ganking. Have to mine to an anchored can, but even *this* is vulnerable (i.e. - the cost to the individual pilot is miniscule if they {as a group} decide they want me...)

Are you theorycrafting or do you actually spend 1b on those?

The hell is that monstrosity. You've got 1bil in droppable loot that's screaming for a gank.

Wasn't paying attention and hit the wrong one - should be a meta 1.

But it would be *FUN* as hell!

I really, *REALLY* wanted to answer "well, i found 'em - are they that expensive...?" But I couldn't - just a misclick.

Many here tells the OP what he should have done before he was killed, to adapt to the present situation with Hulkageddon running etc., and not come here to complain.

I still think he made some good points about high-sec. And I for one would like to see pilots like him populating high-sec.
Too much focus is constantly being directed toward PvP and what can be destroyed or stolen. And CCP also promotes this time and time again with their expansion videos.
OK. Eve is about combat and flying space ships.

We have web sites like battleclinic ranking pilots according to how many kills they have and the value destroyed vs lost.

But the fact remains, Eve needs pilots that focus on production. People that enjoys creating something.
Sadly, there is no ranking for these pilots anywhere, as far as I know. They are simply forgotten/ignored.

Perhaps Eve subscriptions are increasing year by year. But that doesn't convince me that the actual playerbase is increasing.
I have one alt. And the pilot who killed the OP also has an alt.
We could just as well assume that people have more alts, and that has been the reason for the increased subscriptions.

But the fact remains, Eve needs pilots that focus on production. People that enjoys creating something.
Sadly, there is no ranking for these pilots anywhere, as far as I know. They are simply forgotten/ignored.

If you want to produce things, don't you want a market to sell them into? Ships blowing up produces that market. Without ships blowing up, everyone will eventually have every ship they want and not need to buy anymore and production dies.


As for the subs, do you have any evidence that suggests that the average number of alts per person is on the rise? Cause that's what you're arguing.

Goons will.fight the change because it puts a spanner in Mittani's economic plans.

I mean why would anyone but a greifer really object to making hi sec a tad safer for certain activities, if its a case that its too easy to make isk mining in hi sec, what's hard about earning revenue shooting ships that can't fight back.


Tal

I just don't think an organized killingspree all across high-sec is the way to do it. It's a one-way war in my opinion.

I looked at the Eve Online status monitor, (as did everyone else I guess), and saw that there is a decline. But I don't assume it to be a proof of a dwindling population.

Anyway, my point was only to express my support for the OP, and the issue he was making.

Here's where your problem is, you fail to realise that players are getting paid by players to do these things. This isn't some over powered game mechanic where people are earning isk directly for shooting miners. This is player created content driven by market manipulation. This is exactly what makes this game great, the idea of a multinational community working together to make isk and have fun. It just so happens that this is at the expense of people who don't understand how this game works...

I think here-in lies the further problem. A lot of you hiseccers in your 10 man indi corps cant fully comprehend what a community of a 1000+ players driven by a single or collection of motives to achieve something massive is really like. You dont see the work that's gone into amassing the funds required to motivate such widespread destruction. I mean, it can't be much harder than afk mining for enough hours to earn the isk for a plex and maintain that manufacturing pos so you can afk mine some more and watch that sp counter/wallet balnce go up indefinately, can it?

It really doesn't matter what kind of rationale you present, the bottom line is that CCP thinks the Goons are cool, and "events" like Hulkageddon are even cooler. They are seriously only going to act if subscription numbers dip.