Oh and why didn't you warp out your pod? It takes a catalyst about 3 seconds to lock a pod and about .25 seconds for a pod to warp out. The only reason you get podded is because you don't pay attention or are botting.

You know the OP has made a good point when so many knuckle-draggers make such feeble explanations and personal attacks.

Casual gamer. I was trying to warp out and had right clicked and was selecting from menu when I was killed.

Not everyone has the same decade-honed super-gamer reflexes your theoretical explanation has.

You know the OP has made a good point when so many knuckle-draggers make such feeble explanations and personal attacks.

I too want a change to the rules so it's easier for me to win at something. Whenever I get the time I'll find the bits and pieces of the EULA that support my views and make another thread to help our douche bag cause.

You know the OP has made a good point when so many knuckle-draggers make such feeble explanations and personal attacks.

So lesson learned. Every overview should have the Sun (at least). As soon as you were tackled, you should have selected the sun and started spamming warp (through the selected item window) until your pod was in warp. No reflexes to it.

You really should have an overview tab with just planets and the sun, but for HS mining, the sun's probably plenty.

One of the biggest points is that this PvP game is so fail at PvP that a large pct of the players actually think attacking defensless miners is some kind of accomplishment.

Or it's the only kind of PvP they can afford.

One of the biggest points is that this PvP game is so fail at PvP that a large pct of the players actually think attacking defensless miners is some kind of accomplishment.

Or it's the only kind of PvP they can afford.

Oh, now it's not against CCP's stated policies, it's just distasteful to *you.*

Actually I think their policies are in conflict with their implementations.

Quote:
"A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account."

Your own quote nullifies your entire argument.

"WHILE HE DOES NOT PROFIT FROM IT IN ANY WAY."

Hulkageddon organizers are both the holders of hulk BPO's, as well as huge stakeholders in the grand tech moon game, it has been quoted as a hulk's current tag of some 330m is some 70-80% based on the cost of tech moon goo.

If you didn't know these facts... your welcome, it shows your business sense is worth crap all in the sandbox, as you basically just got killed by a bigger better industrialist working there isk.

How so?

Well the definitions from the TOS the OP quoted sure sound exactly like Hulkageddon, add in the the Goons sponsorhip and profitrering, as pointed out by you and others, and that sure ;ooks likes a conflict with CCP's definition of griefing.

Still my biggest gripe is that their really should be a way for "Skilled" (not throw away alts) pirate types to ply their trade in high sec. Also with them having a chance for a BIG loss, just like the targets.

I don't have all the answers, I just find the whole suicide ganking thing, well, lame. Lacking in content :)

edit: and yeah, I know about the profit thing. Pfft, which makes it even worse in my opinion. Not the gankers looting, the Goons behind it all.

Still my biggest gripe is that their really should be a way for "Skilled" (not throw away alts) pirate types to ply their trade in high sec. Also with them having a chance for a BIG loss, just like the targets.

I don't understand why people like this Oddball Six guy play sandbox games, maybe they don't know what a sandbox is.

Well the definitions from the TOS the OP quoted sure sound exactly like Hulkageddon, add in the the Goons sponsorhip and profitrering, as pointed out by you and others, and that sure looks likes a conflict with CCP's definition of griefing.

Still my biggest gripe is that their really should be a way for "Skilled" (not throw away alts) pirate types to ply their trade in high sec. Also with them having a chance for a BIG loss, just like the targets.

I don't have all the answers, I just find the whole suicide ganking thing, well, lame. Lacking in content :)

edit: and yeah, I know about the profit thing. Pfft, which makes it even worse in my opinion. Not the gankers looting, the Goons behind it all.

Oh you must be good, you must know it all so enlighten us humble gamers what this game is all about ... because I have read what CCP tells me what this game is about, that must be complete wrong because you obviously know better than CCP.

To help you abit .. this is what CCP writes about the sandbox.

"The Sandbox is the game world of EVE combined with the persistent actions of thousands upon thousands of players who interact with one another in a single-server environment.

Your actions in the Sandbox can lead to the destruction of starships, the creation of a thriving corporation or the doom of an empire. Every action taken by every player affects the state of the Sandbox, and through it those actions affect every other player.

The web of action and reaction in EVE leads to emergent gameplay where a single shot, business deal or even just a word can determine the destiny of thousands."

At this page there is a presentation about the different paths you can take in this game...
- Manufacturer
- Trader
- Miner
- Empire builder
- Freedom fighter
- Pirate
- Bounty hunter
- Planetary industrialist
- Explorer
- Salvager
- Loyalist
- Fleet commander

So this are the paths CCP suggest there is possible to do in this sandbox...

Nice of you quote what we already knew, did any of it sink in?

Well it tells me that miners are a CCP sanctioned profession despite what Goons feels about it, industrialist are also sanctioned professions in this game.