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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:40:00 -
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Raise your hand if you wish the in-game browser was better. Okay, don't all rush, we get it... we get it. And so does Team Slartibartfast and CCP Pleognost, who's newest dev blog clues us in on what exactly a Moondoggie is. Gidgets or gadgets or something like that. Enjoy!
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Karbowiak
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:49:00 -
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO |
Cailais
Amarr IKADA TECHNOLOGIES
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:59:00 -
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Want. Now.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Thorjak
Cod war Heroes
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:04:00 -
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tl;dr: The ingame browser is being replaced by something based on webkit
This is good news, CCP have tried to reinvent the wheel for far too long on this one. Can we have a decent mail reader now?
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:06:00 -
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Finally we get a real browser to work with \o/
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Dmian
Gallente Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jameroz Finally we get a real browser to work with \o/
Ditto! ----
Originally by: Anne M. Lindbergh There is no sin punished more implacably by nature than the sin of resistance to change
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:21:00 -
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very nice.
this should be able to run flash applications from the sounds of it.... this is a very good thing imo. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:23:00 -
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I really do hope it supports Flash so things like the EVE World Design Contest results (using Metaplace) can work from right inside the game. -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter |
RiotRick
Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:27:00 -
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Very nice! -- The future is black.
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Through Actions
Answer To Mankind G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:31:00 -
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Sweet! I never thought this would actually happen.
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:36:00 -
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\o/ and there was much rejoicing! ---
DesuSigs |
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:40:00 -
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Cool saves me hitting alt+ tab alot!!
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IceBlade Rage
Immortalis Silens Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:48:00 -
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...and there was much rejoicing by those of us who build webtools for eve!
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Sri Nova
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:53:00 -
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Yay !!!!! I can now has **** while i Play !!
I canaty wait
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OV Marius
Gallente Core Antum
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:06:00 -
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Thank you CCP, finally more then simple pages with tables |
Searlah
Amarr Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:17:00 -
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Good job CCP. Don't rebuild what has been done already, rejig it to fit your platform, then chuck it in!
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Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:39:00 -
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Webkit was the right choice :)
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Taunting Yu
Gallente The NightClub
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:42:00 -
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Glad to see this is coming around. The downside to the currently IGB-compatible webpages will be that many of them are no longer updated for various reasons (person has quit playing and left the site as a convenience to the rest of the world, etc).
It would be interesting to see some of the more typical websites being able to display. I have a feeling that if it requires a plug-in (such as Flash scripts and movies), it won't be supported, as that requires trust of CCP to allow in the client. I could be completely wrong, too. Comments, devs?
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Sethose Olderon
Deepcor House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:58:00 -
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Thanks for finally getting on this CCP, much thanks! I assume this is being done so that COSMOS 2 will work in-game. Corporate & Alliance Owned Stargates
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Anders1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:59:00 -
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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I'm so happy right now
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Truely Altish
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:18:00 -
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pure sex
...a moment of silence for all the great old sites that wont be "upgraded" to work with this
p.s. I await the first epic spy/hack using this new interface, to become the drama llama of the week/month soon. |
Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:26:00 -
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HOLY FACK.
GO CCP!
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D Gelalder
Gallente Core Antum
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:31:00 -
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This should be interesting development. Good luck with the implementations!
Now for some questions, as I prefer to browse around using a white-lists. Meaning i have to give a site permission to to either store cookies or run java-scripts. I would like to know if this will be possible with the "moondoggie".
Some IGB specific requests/questions:
IGB-Headers - Ability to define which headers are being send using the "trusted site". For example, split them up in categories. Character, location, roles. This should be self-explanatory, but an example none the less: Lets take a travel planning site, the only info it would need is your current location. It doesn't need to know who you are or what your roles are.
Also ability to blacklist sites to stop them from asking would be nice. For those of you who say they need these for security reasons.. you're an idiot.
- Ability to create "give money to.." links with target character or corp with amount and reason. This should make things easier for corps that handle a lot of isk transfers, like payouts or banks or whatever else. Website only please, I can already imagine the amount of scam-spam in channels if they ever find a way to post it. Also set the default action to cancel, so a itchy keyboard finger will just cancel the transaction.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:34:00 -
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1. Please make sure that the in-game USER has full control over the IGB, and plenty of settings to disable whatever parts of the IGB he/she doesn't want. We've grown accustomed to complex browsers and having the ability to allow/deny plugins, addons, cookies, and the like.
2. Consider maintaining an official portal site. One of the very-often asked questions on the newbie forums is "where can I find a guide or tool about subject x?"
3. Are these forums going to be viewable from in-game? Can we post from in-game? I mean... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp....
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:39:00 -
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You are awesome! Thanks so much! :-D
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:48:00 -
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Now that I've had a chance to calm down (probably didn't take very long) I want to draw attention to something.
Originally by: Of course, this sort of interaction needs to be tightly locked down. Security is our number one priority. We're doing absolutely everything in our power to ensure that Moondoggie won't wipe-out. We're scrubbing squeaky-clean any input taken from the browser, and we're also snagging a trick from Chrome's playbook.
I'm absolutely ecstatic that CCP is taking security this seriously. However, should vulnerabilities be found in the Chromium toolkit (and no doubt they will in the future as more scrutiny is placed on it) then there's a chance that the IGB would be vulnerable in certain instances as well.
I don't say this to suggest that this project shouldn't go forward, but I always assumed that one reason the IGB did not get much attention was because it was a bag of worms CCP didn't want to open. Browsers have a ton of scrutiny placed on them, with compromises being found for all types constantly. Any such effort to build a IGB would not only require a good secure configuration, but upkeep and timely response to new threats and vulnerabilities.
I'm excited about a new IGB and what it will bring. I hope though that CCP will keep a close eye on this though and be ready to address issues that arise in a rapid fashion. As EVE broadens it's scope to embrace more of the web and spread outside of the EVE client, the importance of security and it's demands grows higher as well. The effort of securing a system grows with it's complexity.
If CCP understands that this effort will require some constant level of attention in addition to the standard development and subsequent hardening, then I look forward to the awesome features this will bring. =)
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:50:00 -
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A bit more elaborate answer:
Quote: We also want to hear from the authors of IGB-driven sites - what can we do to make your lives easier?
The IGB has a number of nice features, but the main problem for me usually is authentication. While a user can make a site "trusted" to show it all sorts of stuff, the site can not trust the user at all - all the headers can be faked easily.
Some way to actually authenticate the user (possibly by providing an expiring cookie number that you can verify with the API?) would be really nice.
Also, getting rid of the requirement for the typeid in character showinfo links (or actually, all CharacterID showinfo links ;-)) would be nice - right now, you can already just use any typeid, like Sebiestor or whichever, for any character, so requiring the typeid is annoying at best.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:27:00 -
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Moondog was the pseudonym of Louis Thomas Hardin (May 26, 1916 û September 8, 1999), a blind American composer, musician, cosmologist, poet, and inventor of several musical instruments.
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:32:00 -
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Bad chrome bad chrome, why of all the browsers pick it to be based off of the same crud infesting chrome, please make this crap optional pretty please google software fails they should stick to search engines >.<
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv If CCP understands that this effort will require some constant level of attention in addition to the standard development and subsequent hardening, then I look forward to the awesome features this will bring. =)
Afik IGB is rewritten twice and lets hope this third time is a charm.
If you're smart you will treat this as a huge security leak at first and wait and see if it actually can be used.
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Nexus Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Bad chrome bad chrome, why of all the browsers pick it to be based off of the same crud infesting chrome, please make this crap optional pretty please google software fails they should stick to search engines >.<
Wow... just.. WOW!..
The first troll/whine in this thread so far.
Do you feel... special?
On other news, the public is very charmed by CCP's recent advencement regarding in-game web surfing. More at 22h
-Angel |
Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.08.15 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt Moondog was the pseudonym of Louis Thomas Hardin (May 26, 1916 û September 8, 1999), a blind American composer, musician, cosmologist, poet, and inventor of several musical instruments.
Moondoggie was also Gidget's boyfriend.
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Lhyda Souljacker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.15 02:22:00 -
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Where's the source code for this new stuff? Since chromium, webkit, etc, etc are all open source.
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2009.08.15 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker Where's the source code for this new stuff? Since chromium, webkit, etc, etc are all open source.
Awesomium source code is available at their site. It's licensed under LGPL so it can be linked in any product unmodified without releasing any source code. If they go and modify the browser somehow then they have to release source codes for their modifications.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.08.15 03:35:00 -
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If we can get on the forums, will it still let us post with alts while playing mains, or will it detect which character you're on?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:14:00 -
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So...
1 - When is this coming? I have a site that will be getting a face lift because of it.
2 - Will the stack of utilities be made available to the public? or will we have to hunt for them?
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:21:00 -
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yay \o/
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IlluminatedOne
Amarr Tycho Brahe Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:32:00 -
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One question: as I understand, the in-game chat channels use IGB too (with restrictions). Will the chat screens use the new browser engine?
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.08.15 05:03:00 -
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so if I click on a link that says .jpeg in it it wont take 10 mins to load now?
w00t!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.15 05:58:00 -
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Mother of god!
Confirming that EVE will now be nothing but a chat and browser client where you can spin Internet spaceships.
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sembur
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Posted - 2009.08.15 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik While a user can make a site "trusted" to show it all sorts of stuff, the site can not trust the user at all - all the headers can be faked easily.
Some way to actually authenticate the user (possibly by providing an expiring cookie number that you can verify with the API?) would be really nice.
Sisi needs a Test API Server to go with this. This would make IGB-web apps, and in fact all third-party apps much easier to develop as well as allow the third-party tools community to help with evaluating future API changes before they went live (hint).
Robustness and speed of the Test API Server needn't be high priority, of course, but having something would be a major improvement.
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 06:40:00 -
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First, I want to say thank you. I have waited for this day to come for a long time now.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik A bit more elaborate answer:
Quote: We also want to hear from the authors of IGB-driven sites - what can we do to make your lives easier?
The IGB has a number of nice features, but the main problem for me usually is authentication. While a user can make a site "trusted" to show it all sorts of stuff, the site can not trust the user at all - all the headers can be faked easily.
Some way to actually authenticate the user (possibly by providing an expiring cookie number that you can verify with the API?) would be really nice.
Also, getting rid of the requirement for the typeid in character showinfo links (or actually, all CharacterID showinfo links ;-)) would be nice - right now, you can already just use any typeid, like Sebiestor or whichever, for any character, so requiring the typeid is annoying at best.
Something to authenticate users is on top of my wish list as well.
Quantum Industries is recruiting! |
Miraqu
Caldari Marquie-X Corp Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 06:49:00 -
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I really don't like this. Eve is a game and a game should not be a browser.
If this supports flash, javascript and all the nice tools, it will also support many flash and java exploits and the other nice things like redirecting of links and tracking scripts and cookies.
Sooner or later the first moron will be redirected to a nice site with an keylogging or tracking script.
Also I do not trust any google app for privacy concerns and that applies to CCP as well while they provide a browser. If the browser supports this, the players will use it to surf the web besides playing eve and whit an integrated browser nobody can really say what it tracks and what not and what CCP could do, does and does not with the data.
If users can use this browser to their hearts content, one will soon find sites which violate any moral, political or other views users hold. Will CCP then start filtering? Or block sites?
Will Eve need access to port 80 then? Of course its blocked for eve, since its a game and a game should not have access to any resource more than the absolute minimum necessary to run this.
tl;dr
Its already a nightmare with all those players who just want to play and don't care about securing or maintaining their system and I really believe it wont get better with this.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:05:00 -
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As good as these changes might be, I think there are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT things necessary to be fixed in Eve first.
The whole pos, corp, alliance interfaces for example. Alchemy, sov system, supercaps, epic arcs and and and. Fix the GAME STUFF first I would say (yeah, I know, some of that stuff will be tackled in the winter expansion).
But yeah, the changes for the browser sounds pretty okay. Especially considering the upcomming Eve-COSMOS I would think the browser would play some important part there also.
Good changes, interesting reading. But I am confused about the priorities for Eve by CCP
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Hun Jakuza
24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:06:00 -
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Nice, but when ? Release date ? With Apoc 1.5 or with winter expansion or with walking on station ?
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olzi
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:29:00 -
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CCP Pleognost mentions that site contents are delivered to you in a 3d surface format. Does that put us closer to player driven content on the billboards ? Maybe adds in a html format that are then rendered on the billboard.
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Lasrod
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:31:00 -
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Although this seems to be done well this time and will be a nice feature, I would rather not have a browser in-game and put all the time that was spent into creating this to be put into other parts of improving EVE. Alt+Tab is not that hard.
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Firesh
Etoilles Mortant Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: D Gelalder
- Ability to create "give money to.." links with target character or corp with amount and reason. This should make things easier for corps that handle a lot of isk transfers, like payouts or banks or whatever else. [...]
yep. This. Exactly. Mining ops payouts and similar would be much easier; for those corps like ours that already use the api to track ore brought in, it would be the next natural progression.
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Komen
Gallente Domination. THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:48:00 -
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Sweet, now I can launch hedgehogs while sitting in stations.
Eve just got ten times cooler. Well, 2 times cooler, and 5 times that when this is actually live (and working...here's hoping for a relatively bug-free launch).
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Arte
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Thorjak tl;dr: The ingame browser is being replaced by something based on webkit...
Thanks. It stopped making sense to me right after 'Moondoggie'. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Whisper "So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:34:00 -
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Does that mean that the "ingameboard" part of the forum url actually will work in-game?!
Win a Ragnarok titan for 10M ISK |
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Kirsten Fud
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.08.15 10:12:00 -
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Has any thought been given to improving the built-in authentication for 3rd party sites?
The current Headers in the IGB are basically worthless for security, because you can't trust them, they are not signed in any way, and can be faked.
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Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2009.08.15 10:35:00 -
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Ok, All I can say is WIN, and GIVE IT TO US NOW!!!!!
And Can we have a Full List of what you will and will not allow it to Support or will it be able to handle anything that a Normal Browser can? and if that's the Case you have just added awesome-sauce to the Game as that I will Just Load eve and Browse the web while Mining, and not have to Alt tab, Hell I can actually Run the game as a Full Screen and not Windowed to make Alt tabbing faster. --
Bastet's Organization Of Mining |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:02:00 -
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way to go.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Reikoku
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:04:00 -
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Thank you, CCP, for increasing the likely downtime of my PC and increasing the complexity of my maintenance on a personal computer in my off-hours.
I think that if I had any desire to install Chrome, I'd probably have already done it. The fact that I haven't, and wouldn't, thanks to Google's creeping software intrusions, is a fact apparently lost on the minds of whatever marketing exec got the bonus for signing onto force feeding all of us the Chrome browser. Any chance your techs are going to handle the interaction issues that arise, or reimburse us for the maintenance cycle?
I've lived through some of your more ill-conceived pushes. I'll live through more I'm sure. This is one of them.
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:10:00 -
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Logging in to officially announce I want to make sweet sweet love to CCP Fallout if this gets implemented. In fact, I shall dedicate an ingame website to the awesomeness of CCP Fallout and collect autographs of fellow EVE players who wish to join in on the sweet lovemaking. --------------------------------------------------- Recruitment thread |
Muscaat
ASCENTIS CORPORATION Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 13:31:00 -
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This made me leap for joy inside.
To the poster a couple above: they're not installing Google Chrome. They're using the Chromium/WebKit framework to build a new IGB. WebKit has its roots with KDE, long before Google came along. I'm curious as to how you think this will impact on your regular PC maintenance. ---------- EVE Markets - global price trends at your fingertips |
Al'Ter Ego
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Posted - 2009.08.15 13:48:00 -
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Quote: and hand-delivers rendered HTML pages to us as nice 3D surfaces
So... I won't be able to read anything at low graphics detail settings?
(Ever tried looking at a billboard with graphics set to low?)
</troll>
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Raise your hand if you wish the in-game browser was better. Okay, don't all rush, we get it... we get it. And so does Team Slartibartfast and CCP Pleognost, who's newest dev blog clues us in on what exactly a Moondoggie is. Gidgets or gadgets or something like that. Enjoy!
I have no clue what you just said in that blog.
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Syekuda
Caldari United Resistance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Angel Lightbringer
Originally by: Cypherous Bad chrome bad chrome, why of all the browsers pick it to be based off of the same crud infesting chrome, please make this crap optional pretty please google software fails they should stick to search engines >.<
Wow... just.. WOW!..
The first troll/whine in this thread so far.
Do you feel... special?
On other news, the public is very charmed by CCP's recent advancement regarding in-game web surfing. More at 22h
Dont worry about this newb. He definitely doesn't know squat about some's of chromes awesome ability (multiple process window is 1 example).
Except that, I really you guys will work on the performance of the browser and then, not before or at the same time, work on adding features like the ship fitting copy like you said.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.15 15:42:00 -
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Hallelujah!
= the GOP is recruiting = |
WheatGrass
Gallente Silent but Friendly
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:58:00 -
[62]
Thank you, Sir!
This looks SO good on 'paper'. I'll look forward to the test drive.
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Vorononv Circut
The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 20:08:00 -
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Best dev blog EVER!
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Agent Stone
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.08.15 20:59:00 -
[64]
Awesome! Best news I have had this week!
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2009.08.15 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 15/08/2009 22:00:15 Anyone with IGB sites should just shoot themselves if they complain about Moondoggie breaking things. I personally can't believe people use IGB sites.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.16 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 16/08/2009 02:14:31 Sounds great!
But.. if CCP is using a 3rd party browser as the 'guts' of the new IGB, it's going to be a huge target for keyloggers. I can see it now - "BUY YOUR ISK AT <whatever URL>!" Click link, get keylogger.
But I have a lot more faith in Google than Microsoft at making code that won't crap out if you show it a funny image.
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Abortion Engine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.16 03:47:00 -
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Quote: Plus, unless they provide some PKI with this it's going to be as useless in trusting as the current IGB. HTTP headers are trivial to forge. What they need to do is generate RSA key pairs for every user and allow the public key to be retrieved via the API then use THAT for authentication.
Pulling this from elsewhere to post here.
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Kirsten Fud
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.08.16 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Abortion Engine
Quote: Plus, unless they provide some PKI with this it's going to be as useless in trusting as the current IGB. HTTP headers are trivial to forge. What they need to do is generate RSA key pairs for every user and allow the public key to be retrieved via the API then use THAT for authentication.
Pulling this from elsewhere to post here.
Agree!
This or OpenID providers, either would be perfect.
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Twistalous
Gallente Arkons of Myth KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.16 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsten Fud
Originally by: Abortion Engine
Quote: Plus, unless they provide some PKI with this it's going to be as useless in trusting as the current IGB. HTTP headers are trivial to forge. What they need to do is generate RSA key pairs for every user and allow the public key to be retrieved via the API then use THAT for authentication.
Pulling this from elsewhere to post here.
Agree!
This or OpenID providers, either would be perfect.
Honestly, it's not that hard to secure an IGB site. You just require them to log in with a password each time to use the site. They can forge headers all they want but if they don't know your password, they won't get in, no matter what their headers say.
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.16 08:02:00 -
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Ho-ly ****! A feature that been around for ages is FINALLY getting an much needed upgrade. KICK ASS CCP!
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.08.16 12:19:00 -
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Am I missing something?
Is the blog indicating what they would like to do, are working on, or is coming imminently?
Nice to blind us with complicated words and suedanims but when! is a subject given the widest birth that is only desired from a moon sized aseroid in close proximity to our planet earth.
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.08.16 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/08/2009 12:31:42 Absolutely fantastic, but took you a while.
As others have said, the lack of any cryptographically secure mechanism for identifying users in the IGB is one of the major blockers for IGB websites. CCP setting up a key infrastructure such that public keys could be obtained via the API (given a character ID, no restrictions) and that private keys could be used to sign browser requests in the IGB (and perhaps could be leveraged in the API, too?) would make life a lot easier for devs.
I'm glad to see we'll finally get a proper browser and I'm looking forward to deleting all my IGB-specific templates in favour of simply handing out full-blown site templates with some extra javascript (assuming JS is used for these new functions). This of course assumes the on-paper implementation actually works and isn't burdened with bugs as the current IGB is.
Thanks for (finally) listening to us, CCP! -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer Charactr (NEW) | EVE Metrics | I Tweet |
Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.08.16 14:10:00 -
[73]
Very exciting. Looking forward to getting a shot to use it on SiSi.
≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store | eve-maps.com |
Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.08.16 20:58:00 -
[74]
Great news, looks like they are doing it the right way. ---
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:01:00 -
[75]
\o/
Thats some serious awesomeness, let the IGB revolution begin! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:47:00 -
[76]
Holy crapola! How did I miss this. *cheers* *\o/*
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Citrute
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:49:00 -
[77]
Take some Win-And-A-Half, Multiply by pie and then sprinkle little bits of the ForceÖ on top, serve chilled.
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:18:00 -
[78]
http://princeofcode.com/awesomium.php
That first video, shows imbedded browsers are manipulatible 3D objects...that + this being in EVE + avatars(WiS) = HOLOGRAM CORP MEETING that has browser links to Enemy webpages for Intel, forums for combat plan ideas, and an imbedded "Big Board" for Tactical diagrams(online Notepad).
And everyone bookmarks it at the end...I think I just came a little.
Now that's how gamers[the best in existence]should game.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:01:00 -
[79]
o/ awesomiumsauce.
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Kronsur Boon
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:16:00 -
[80]
Great to hear that CCP are using Chromium.
I really hope CCP fully implement the ability to whitelist and blacklist websites. Fuctionality, like we see in the Firefox plugin NoScript, really needs to be included from the start.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:42:00 -
[81]
Quote: Here at Team Slartibartfast, we want you to feel good. We want you to feel good and do it a lot.
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Elissen
Amarr Serenity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:48:00 -
[82]
Most exciting news in a long time!
And o/ for linking to the Jumpplanner ---- Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning. Jumpplanner |
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CCP Pleognost
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:31:00 -
[83]
Originally by: D Gelalder Now for some questions, as I prefer to browse around using a white-lists. Meaning i have to give a site permission to to either store cookies or run java-scripts. I would like to know if this will be possible with the "moondoggie".
We're already planning on locking-down plug-ins, and we're still investigating just how fine-grained we can make our controls for things like Cookies and scripting without making the browser a usability nightmare.
Originally by: D Gelalder - Ability to define which headers are being send using the "trusted site". For example, split them up in categories. Character, location, roles. This should be self-explanatory, but an example none the less: Lets take a travel planning site, the only info it would need is your current location. It doesn't need to know who you are or what your roles are.
Also ability to blacklist sites to stop them from asking would be nice.
We have the tools to do this internally, it's largely a question of whether we can expose this in a user-friendly way. We'll take a look at it.
Originally by: D Gelalder - Ability to create "give money to.." links with target character or corp with amount and reason. This should make things easier for corps that handle a lot of isk transfers, like payouts or banks or whatever else.
While we'd like to do stuff like this, it would also make website-driven fraud a lot easier to perpetrate. Any kind of browser-IGB interaction is going to require a full in-game confirmation prompt. That said, we can take a "give money" command under consideration.
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CCP Pleognost
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Taunting Yu Glad to see this is coming around. The downside to the currently IGB-compatible webpages will be that many of them are no longer updated for various reasons (person has quit playing and left the site as a convenience to the rest of the world, etc).
It would be interesting to see some of the more typical websites being able to display. I have a feeling that if it requires a plug-in (such as Flash scripts and movies), it won't be supported, as that requires trust of CCP to allow in the client. I could be completely wrong, too. Comments, devs?
On the first note, we've developed a "compatibility tool" that corrects older IGB websites and should keep them mostly operational. It's just a bit of Javascript that we can run in the context of the older sites to correct hyperlinks, images and the like.
You're correct on plug-ins. We're currently planning to lock-down or disable all external plug-ins in Moondoggie - this means no Flash for the first release. We would all love to be able to view YouTube while fighting, though, so we'd like to revisit that in the future.
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CCP Pleognost
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:43:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Regat Kozovv I'm absolutely ecstatic that CCP is taking security this seriously. However, should vulnerabilities be found in the Chromium toolkit (and no doubt they will in the future as more scrutiny is placed on it) then there's a chance that the IGB would be vulnerable in certain instances as well.
We have some plans on how to handle this contingency. One of the first things we discussed after we decided to integrate with Webkit and Awesomium was the potential impact of zero-day vulnerabilities. We've worked out an architecture for "Defcon 1" scenarios that will severely restrict the functionality of the IGB until a security update is available and integrated into EVE.
All we need now is a big red button to trigger it.
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CCP Pleognost
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland So...
1 - When is this coming? I have a site that will be getting a face lift because of it.
2 - Will the stack of utilities be made available to the public? or will we have to hunt for them?
1 - Our first release will coincide with the next EVE expansion. We're going to try to get a build onto SiSi ASAP. tl;dr: SoonÖ.
2 - Much of it, yes. There's a library of Javascript functions that IGB authors will need to use in order to do things like open Show-Info windows. We also have some compatibility scripts that you can run on a pre-Moondoggie IGB site to make it work in the new browser.
We're also planning to release some documentation on how to use it, of course.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie As good as these changes might be, I think there are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT things necessary to be fixed in Eve first.
The whole pos, corp, alliance interfaces for example. Alchemy, sov system, supercaps, epic arcs and and and. Fix the GAME STUFF first I would say (yeah, I know, some of that stuff will be tackled in the winter expansion).
...
Well, yeah.... I am a software architect at my job, and I find I often have to control the tendency of my developers to go after the shiny, fun, techie stuff (that users don't care about), and ignore the boring usability changes and such that'll make a real difference to the bottom line. Seems like someone needs to be doing more of this at CCP.
I would rather lose the IGB entirely if I could get just a handful more keyboard shortcuts for example.
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Hel O'Ween
Academy of Truth
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Miraqu I really don't like this. Eve is a game and a game should not be a browser.
If this supports flash, javascript and all the nice tools, it will also support many flash and java exploits and the other nice things like redirecting of links and tracking scripts and cookies.
This!
Basically, any website then might interact with "my" client? A very scary imagination. I do hope this is read only, like the EVE API. Although this is scary enough, at least no one can run away with your ISKies this way. And as we all know, for a long time CCP's logs "do show nothing", if that happens. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Banedon Runestar
Gallente Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc Cloud 7 Nebulosa
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Posted - 2009.08.17 14:09:00 -
[89]
Congrats on finally making the IGB relavant, useful, and effective. Now is there a time-line on making the same changes to EveOnline.com?
The first place I'd fix is the search function. It's broken, useless, and the fact that you can't find anythin has prevented most of my friends from even playing the trial. Quote: "If they can't take care of their webcode, they can't take care of their game code."
Fix your website and you'll have a half-dozen new paying accounts. ______________________ Join Channel Profit
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.17 15:19:00 -
[90]
Originally by: CCP Pleognost You're correct on plug-ins. We're currently planning to lock-down or disable all external plug-ins in Moondoggie - this means no Flash for the first release. We would all love to be able to view YouTube while fighting, though, so we'd like to revisit that in the future.
The lack of Flash support is particularly disappointing. Maybe this one plugin can get installed while the ability to install others is disabled? -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter |
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pleognost We're also planning to release some documentation on how to use it, of course.
Who are you, and what have you done with CCP Pleognost!
I knew this seemed too good to be true, and this just confirms it.
CCP's been infiltrated by productive people who want to make things better. Who knows what dark road they'll lead this world down.
I do hope the docs will be as CCP Garthagk made the API docs- wikified on the EVE developer wiki, or at the very least on Evelopedia!
Will there be a team whose job it is to maintain and improve the new IGB, or is this a one-off sprint? Will there be a proper bugreport/feature request system to allow third party devs to collaborate on bugs, problems and new features? I do worry that CCP's internal processes are well tuned for making games, not browsers. Have a look at the timescale on most browser releases and you'll see where I'm coming from. Will we be getting regular updates and people working full-time on improvements/fixes, or an occasional prod from devs with spare time?
(Sorry for being cynical, but I've been writing EVE websites for almost 3 years now. With the API as it is, you can hardly blame me ) -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer Charactr (NEW) | EVE Metrics | I Tweet |
omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:44:00 -
[92]
cooooool! :)
when is it released>? :P
apoc1.5? plx? :P lol, or end of the year expansions would b good aswell :)
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Karaun Xavura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Karaun Xavura on 17/08/2009 23:23:16 To all the people complaining about Google. WebKit isn't Google's - it's Apple's.
"WebKit was originally derived by Apple Inc. from the Konqueror browserÆs KHTML software library for use as the engine for Mac OS XÆs Safari web browser and has now been further developed by individuals from the KDE project, Apple Inc., Nokia, Google, Torch Mobile and others."
Looks like Google have put some work into it but it belongs to Apple afaik. Wait... Apple's a big company too, oh noes!
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Makhar
Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:35:00 -
[94]
YAY!!
Hope it works this time :) Suuure it will, I have faith :D
and thanks!
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Malande
Amarr Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darcon Kylote
Originally by: Gnulpie As good as these changes might be, I think there are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT things necessary to be fixed in Eve first.
The whole pos, corp, alliance interfaces for example. Alchemy, sov system, supercaps, epic arcs and and and. Fix the GAME STUFF first I would say (yeah, I know, some of that stuff will be tackled in the winter expansion).
...
Well, yeah.... I am a software architect at my job, and I find I often have to control the tendency of my developers to go after the shiny, fun, techie stuff (that users don't care about), and ignore the boring usability changes and such that'll make a real difference to the bottom line. Seems like someone needs to be doing more of this at CCP.
I would rather lose the IGB entirely if I could get just a handful more keyboard shortcuts for example.
:Facepalm:
As a software architect (who i presmue has experience working in a team of such people) you should realise that you can have people working on different aspects of development at-the-same-time!
Theres a point at which throwing more people at the development of a single issue does no increase the speed at which that development progresses - thus you have people free to work on other areas
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Nick Turing
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
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While you're at it, could we please have some way for the site to verify the identity of the user who's using the IGB on a trusted site? OpenID would be ideal, but OAuth would also work. :)
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AeonOfTime
Minmatar Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:15:00 -
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The instant I realized the topic was the IGB, I hoped you guys would say that you used webkit. As a web developer in life, I cried a little tear of joy at the news.
What else can I say but THANKS!
I must say that my enthusiasm in general for EVE is reaching new heights with the latests changes and the changes that have been announced lately. The game is an incredible experience as it is, and you guys keep making it better and better.
/me goes back to the drawing board for his EVE application development plans with a big grin on his face. -- Read the captain's log at eve.aeonoftime.com The solo player's corporation - Syrkos Technologies |
Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 19/08/2009 12:35:13 Awesome. Between this and the datadump being early I'm somewhat losing trust in CCP - in a good way!
PS: As to feature suggestions: I would love to have a way to integrate bookmarks as warpable links. Assuming you store bookmarks on the server with a unique ID you could just implement a way to share that ID with the browser (e.g. drag&drop of a bookmark). Since bookmark handling is so clunky and laggy that would very much facilitate many things.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:54:00 -
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I would like to point out that Gidget was also one of the Taco Bell Chihuahuas.
I'm very happy that we're getting an IGB update; this will open up a huge world of new possibilities for the people who write web apps. I have been (slowly) working on an Ext-based one myself and I am certainly looking forward to some kind of integration.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:53:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 19/08/2009 20:53:14 I find your lack of Flash disturbing :vader: --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
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Leebe
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Leebe on 20/08/2009 18:03:54 Edited by: Leebe on 20/08/2009 18:02:50 why would you need flash to watch youtube videos ?
chromium is able to play videos using the html5 video tag (see the youtube demo with a capable browser: youtube demo page)
if you lock down extensions what about user scripts that could be installed by the user? That would be nice for ad blocking .)
btw: if you don't like it, or if you don't trust it nobody forces you to open web pages with the ingame browser. Maybe ccp could add an option to disable it completely :)
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Milli Magente
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:03:00 -
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Crazy for nothing ^^ lol
If i want to "browse" something, i will use Firefox, makes his job very good and was "born" for that kind of ****.
If anyone dont know "Alt+Tab" to switch through running appz, try it LoOoL
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Correcteur
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:42:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Milli Magente If i want to "browse" something, i will use Firefox, makes his job very good and was "born" for that kind of ****.
Same thing here.
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:07:00 -
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I'm not just being arsey but wtf is the point of the IGB when you can just copy the url, hit the windows key, paste it into Firefox and stop ****ing around?
Talk about an epic and I do mean epic waste of man hours at CCP.
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Saartje Sarel I'm not just being arsey but wtf is the point of the IGB when you can just copy the url, hit the windows key, paste it into Firefox and stop ****ing around?
Talk about an epic and I do mean epic waste of man hours at CCP.
I'm guessing this is either poorly disguised sarcasm, or you really don't understand the intended use of the IGB. The reason it was originally put in was to facilitate user-created webapps that could interact with the eve client. Currently, it can only pull some character info, and spawn some other windows (evemail, show info, etc). It's failings are that it renders too slow to be useful, and it lacks any sort of real authentication, preventing it's large scale use dissiminating privileged information. Hell, the ability to run a GOOD corp/alliance message board would be enough to justify this change.
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Renfrew Shrufan
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.21 16:13:00 -
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If I can pop in with a few possible (and maybe ill-conceived) suggested points of overall architecture on this? Don't flame me too hard - all off the top of my head.
Global blacklist by default, except through trusted sources.
Whitelist all ingame info and game functionality links/domains to a global whitelist linked to the game cache. If you're willing to gamble, alliance/corp "official" links placed in the corporate management interface by an appropriate officer could be considered.
Scan those links on submission/update with a lag factor to scan against known malware/isk sellers/etc. Possible to import information from security/antivirus vendors, google, or whomever? (needs research)
Build this all into the browser client itself, using the player's internet connection. Use the player's system to do the heavy work. Possibly kick off a browser thread to scan the linkcache via secure mechanisms at client startup.
If someone wants to hack their client or do something shady do allow access to imported protocols or addresses - that's their lookout and really can't be blamed on CCP. At least as long as you're protecting any information coming upstream from the client.
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angulion
Gallente Rule of Five The Junta
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Posted - 2009.08.21 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: angulion on 21/08/2009 19:04:36 Excellent news!
One thing that would be nice is if you would be able to have more than one web-browser window open - like chat channels currently (tabbed or dragged off to own window). You might want to have one window just tiny to update your position while in another actually doing stuff.
Someone suggested a "give money function", I'd suggest that a web-page could have some special tag or a href that would fill in everything in a contract, so that you only need to click the last Proceed/Create contract (on summary page of contracts) to create it. Could make a corp-store easier.. :)
Edit, it would be nice with an option if links should by default be opened in IGB or external browser. No matter how good the IGB is, random youtube etc. links in chats I prefer to open in out of game browser. Actually, have a default option and on right click on links you can separately select IGB or OGB..
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.08.22 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 22/08/2009 13:37:34
Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Saartje Sarel I'm not just being arsey but wtf is the point of the IGB when you can just copy the url, hit the windows key, paste it into Firefox and stop ****ing around?
Talk about an epic and I do mean epic waste of man hours at CCP.
I'm guessing this is either poorly disguised sarcasm, or you really don't understand the intended use of the IGB. The reason it was originally put in was to facilitate user-created webapps that could interact with the eve client. Currently, it can only pull some character info, and spawn some other windows (evemail, show info, etc). It's failings are that it renders too slow to be useful, and it lacks any sort of real authentication, preventing it's large scale use dissiminating privileged information. Hell, the ability to run a GOOD corp/alliance message board would be enough to justify this change.
Well I stand informed. But sincerely, I can't see the point when, thankfully, EVE mins and max's very quickly with no need to pre-render on restore etc. Firefox has enjoyed almost a decade of development and works very well, IGB? Even if it did do specific plugins and apps for eve, they would be better served being developed as java or flash or een just php/sql for a more universal platform surely?
Nah, I don't see the point. Its nice, but like OSS generally feels, you get the impression its a waste of time and nothing really useful likely to come of it. |
Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saartje Sarel Nah, I don't see the point. Its nice, but like OSS generally feels, you get the impression its a waste of time and nothing really useful likely to come of it.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.08.23 15:55:00 -
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Being able to share bookmarks via a corp website would be absolutely awesome.
It would also allow many of us to stop wasting an entire tab of our corp hangars in w-hole POS since the delay is pretty infuriating. Share for others being able to collect and share safes which can be rapidly accessed would make fleet co-ordination much simpler.
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Kempeth
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:58:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Karaun Xavura To all the people complaining about Google. WebKit isn't Google's - it's Apple's.
"WebKit was originally derived by Apple Inc. from the Konqueror browserÆs KHTML software library for use as the engine for Mac OS XÆs Safari web browser and has now been further developed by individuals from the KDE project, Apple Inc., Nokia, Google, Torch Mobile and others."
The problem with your logic is that they are not using WebKit directly but via two other libraries:
Quote: The first, and undoubtedly greatest, is the Heraclidean support provided by Awesomium and its Prince of Code. This library harnesses the raw strength of the Chromium browser toolkit - the muscles, knit from Webkit, that writhe cobra-like beneath the skin of Google's Chrome - and hand-delivers rendered HTML pages to us as nice 3D surfaces, which we can then readily display in our own Trinity engine.
In short. CCP uses Awesomium which uses Chromium (by Google) which uses Webkit... I'm not particularly thrilled about the Google part either but these reports generally target the Chrome browser. How curious the library itself is remains to be seen... On the other hand I'd rather have them use something like this than some MS browser kit. At least with WebKit you've got a rather standards compliant platform.
Originally by: CCP Pleognost We're already planning on locking-down plug-ins, and we're still investigating just how fine-grained we can make our controls for things like Cookies and scripting without making the browser a usability nightmare.
Many programs feature "expert modes" that provide more detailed configuration options. A convenient solution could be to provide the standard IGB user with a simple choice: "Share or don't share information" and give the more advanced/paranoid users (like me) the option to switch to "expert mode" and set more fine grained permissions...
As for keeping older projects compatible I personally wouldn't worry too much. Anything that becomes incompatible will either be upgraded or people with come up with a replacement.
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Vinev
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:27:00 -
[112]
yes sor 4 my english
Remove the local: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=727636 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=728877 |
Justin Cody
Caldari Apocalypse Enterprises Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:57:00 -
[113]
Roll it out so it is able to be used first and in a stable manner. Then work out expanding its capabilities.
I approve as I love chrome.
/slashies for the dev branch of chrome. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Tempest Starkitty
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Posted - 2009.09.01 01:08:00 -
[114]
me likey banannas
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.09.02 01:59:00 -
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Quote:
Yeah, dude, and why not throw in a tenfold performance boost while you're at it?
Well 10x should bring it up to "extreamely slow" :-P
Why use webkit... It's Safari.... Safari is about the worst browser ever made.
It's failing for Google Chrome, watch it fail for Eve.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.09.02 14:48:00 -
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Good work CCP, Brownie points given :)
Hope it works out well. --------------------
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Gogela
Caldari Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2009.09.09 02:59:00 -
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o/
I made a little in-game site for odd ships and things at http://gogela.com/eve/info.php It has a small image and a bunch of in game links. It takes 5x longer to load than any page on the internet.
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Leebe
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Posted - 2009.09.09 07:43:00 -
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Just a small idea...
Add the color values the user has chosen for his ui in the requests... that would make it possible to create web sites that automaticly fit into the users ui .)
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Saartje Sarel I'm not just being arsey but wtf is the point of the IGB when you can just copy the url, hit the windows key, paste it into Firefox and stop ****ing around?
Talk about an epic and I do mean epic waste of man hours at CCP.
Wow please say that was sarcasm, if so i can imagine the winkey coming back and you sitting in a pod somewhere lol
is their any news on when this update will hit, i hate sending people a screenshot and the damn thing taking 30 seconds to even start to show.
and whats this BS about IGB shouldnt be improved because a browser doesnt belong in a game, the DAMN IGB IS ALREADY THEIR! It's just a piece of turd, so they are trying to improve it, i hate using it even for igbtools... instead i run a eve in a window with a chromium window beside eve for my evetools etc.
i seriously cant wait for this to be deployed, and for those bashing google, Chromium <> Chrome ... Chrome just happens to be based off of chromium, It's an awesome framework and its fast and light i welcome this addition and seriously cant wait.
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D Gelalder
Gallente Core Antum
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Posted - 2009.09.16 13:07:00 -
[120]
Originally by: CCP Pleognost
Originally by: D Gelalder - Ability to create "give money to.." links with target character or corp with amount and reason. This should make things easier for corps that handle a lot of isk transfers, like payouts or banks or whatever else.
While we'd like to do stuff like this, it would also make website-driven fraud a lot easier to perpetrate. Any kind of browser-IGB interaction is going to require a full in-game confirmation prompt. That said, we can take a "give money" command under consideration.
Perhaps make it so that the "give money" command only works when the website is marked as trusted.
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Kytheria
Minmatar The Blade of Xiphos
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Posted - 2009.09.17 02:44:00 -
[121]
Posting from Sisi to say OMGTHANKYOUIWANTYOURBABIES!!111 The new IGB is fast, awesome, and sexy. If everything else in Dominion blows, at least the IGB wont anymore.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.09.17 04:21:00 -
[122]
Awesomium = nice name.... Chromium = Webkit Webkit = Safari Safari = total steaming pile of crap.
Instead of developing a browser for the tiny percent of people that run eve full-screen.
Just add a shell extension to make eve links work in other browsers.
Problem: fixed.
You've identified the wrong problem. You've chased the wrong solution.
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Slayer Girl
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Posted - 2009.09.17 07:16:00 -
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A shell extension might be considered "Intrusive". Also, I am sure CCP wants to remain in the business of providing a game, not the business of building and maintaining OS enhancements.
If you want it so bad, why don't you write the shell extension? Everyone else that's developed an out of game enhancement has. Why are you so special that someone has to do it for you?
I for one run full screen whenever possible. In my humble opinion, the IGB adds to the immersion.
<Salute> CCP.
- SG
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Apple Boy
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 08:33:00 -
[124]
The problem with flash is it is much harder to control. HTML, javascript, etc. is easy to just exclude chunks of code from loading to prevent attacks, exploits, etc. however with flash you can't just do that. Perhaps CCP could implement flash and do it on a whitelist basis, just allowing youtube eveo.com, and some of the other official eve related sites. I for one am glad that CCP is putting security first.
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Anjanka
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Posted - 2009.09.17 14:59:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Anjanka on 17/09/2009 15:03:28 Edited by: Anjanka on 17/09/2009 15:02:42 Edited by: Anjanka on 17/09/2009 14:59:57
Originally by: Slayer Girl
In my humble opinion, the IGB adds to the immersion.
QFT.
I run eve in window mode (fullscreen resolution) and looking forward to use the igb in future .)
The problem with flash is that it is not secure by design. - Millions of users use old flash plugins that have security flaws. - Websites can create flash-cookies that don't respect the browsers cookie policies. - Those cookies are even browser indipendant stored... so if the igb allows flash, websites can identify you if you use an other browser to visit that page.
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Lumy
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lumy on 17/09/2009 19:01:13 New IGB 1. is awesome 2. desperately needs search function (please no popup, FX style is preferable)
Also, screw you, small people. Just because you think IGB is useless doesn't mean no one needs it. Thanks god CCP can see beyond length of their own nose.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:51:00 -
[127]
This browser is absolutely amazing. Now only if I could get my IMs in-game I'd play full-screen. Great job!
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Slix S'iq
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Posted - 2009.09.18 03:54:00 -
[128]
Thanks for the (old and new) browser! I have some great ideas for how to utilize this tool.
I have a question. Why is so little information transmitted?
Basically: trust status, what server, character name/id, corp name/id (and alliance), system, station, and corp role. A rather large amount of this information is useless for security measures since it can be edited by any browser. System and station are pretty useful, but why is this it? Why was nearest location removed (was it even in the old browser?) and other info not added? The ship you are currently in could be useful for many things.
If the reason is that you don't want users to get scammed using the headers, I don't think that is enough of a reason. Include a warning or something. Natural selection will take care of the people who ignore it.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.09.19 22:18:00 -
[129]
Just been playing around with it - awesome, thanks a lot!
Would it be possible to restore the functionality where drag&drop of a character into a textarea/textinput would enter the HTML link to it? :-)
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Talaan Stardrifter
Blue-Sun
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Posted - 2009.09.20 12:29:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Arkady Sadik Just been playing around with it - awesome, thanks a lot!
Would it be possible to restore the functionality where drag&drop of a character into a textarea/textinput would enter the HTML link to it? :-)
Would also be good to get similar functionality with drag+dropped items.
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Zifrian
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.22 04:32:00 -
[131]
I don't want new features to be honest. I just want faster load times for pages that already exist. Right now it's almost unusable.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.22 04:46:00 -
[132]
For every person who wants to browse out of game there will be one who wants to do it ingame. Those who dont want to immerse themselves in fullscreen goodness are missing out i think, given a choice of shrinking EVE or the browser, i know which one i choose.
Infact i cant believe that it hasnt been mentioned yet but i've been browsing in EVE and every other game i play for a long time now, full flash support, tabs, java support, transparency support, the lot. I use PlayXpert (http://www.playxpert.com/web/guest/home) and any similar functionality making its way to EVE is most welcome from me as it (unlike some may think) actually keeps me fullscreen and ingame alot more than not.
For example, sometimes i fire up a football match from justintv or any site streaming sport, resize the browser so it fits just round the player, move it to the corner of the screen and continue playing EVE fullscreen while never missing a goal. Priceless. Sometimes i leave videos of boobs playing too
CCP, flash support is a must.
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Mereden
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Posted - 2009.09.24 14:48:00 -
[133]
How easy would it be to expose properties of the active client as a javascript object in the browser? Just wondering as I'm doing a lot of GWT based development these days and it would give us a way to write extensions to the UI running entirely in the browser. Fleet coordination for example, given an object in each client's browser containing location and ship information I could easily knock up a fleet management UI which would summarize the location and ship type of everyone in your fleet and .... well, you get the idea. Not sure how easy that would be to do using just the header information, I guess I could write a server that consumed that information and set the client side JS object appropriately but that seems overkill when the information is already there in the client to begin with.
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Markit Droid2
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:21:00 -
[134]
Some earier posts in this dev blog thread mentioned concern about cookies, javascript and plugins. This post is my attempt to add to these voices. This is a critical issue and CCP needs to lose sleep thinking about it.
I also operate all browsers in 'whitelist' mode. This means Javascript does NOT run without explicit permission. Plug-ins do NOT run without permission. Cookies are purged frequently, meaning many times every day, often multiple times during a session between sites. This always includes Flash cookies. I don't get tracked with cookies and I don't get owned by drive-by javascript et al. exploits.
I'm not unreasonable about this; if I can tailor the IGB to this level of paranoia it doesn't necessary mean I won't use it. However, certain minimum features must exist;
- A "clear everything" button. Everything means everything; history, cookies, cache, passwords, download history, search box history, form history. Everything.
- A means to explicitly control the installation and removal of and control the activation of third party plugins. I can't use a browser that allows Flash to do whatever some server tells it to.
With these things as a minimum I can imagine using the IGB for EVE related (only) browsing.
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Ravenja
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Posted - 2009.09.30 09:26:00 -
[135]
The new browser is fast, yes, but incredible buggy. Lots of flicker, strange behavior and even crashing. Tested with the latest build (101786), just try to surf any major portal like cnn.com...
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Kairi Elan
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenja Edited by: Ravenja on 01/10/2009 14:31:13 The new browser is fast, yes, but incredible buggy. Lots of flicker, strange behavior and even crashing. Tested with the latest build (105130), just try to surf any major portal like cnn.com...
Maybe try not surfing to a major portal with tons of local scripts running? At least not till they get comfortable with the ingame browser's security capabilities and allow it to run third party code. CNN has a lot of javascript that checks for info on your computer, which is something that I believe CCP are trying to block at this point.
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SXYGeeK
Gallente Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 21:45:00 -
[137]
It would be nice if we could setup levels of Trust with a web site through the application. Allowing the application to request a level of trust that would grant access to Limited or Full API keys, and allowing that Key to come into the header like other charecter information on a trusted site.
this way web applications could make use of API data to enrich the funcationality and wouldn't need to bother the user logging in and retrieving their API key -We So SeXy |
SXYGeeK
Gallente Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 21:51:00 -
[138]
another Idea, Widgets!!! allow multiple instances of the browser to be spawned from bookmarks in a lightweight window, only minimal controls for resizing, moving, closing.
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SXYGeeK
Gallente Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 22:19:00 -
[139]
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/IGB_Javascript_Methods
need more of these....
RequestPayment(charectername/ID, amount) Opens a send payment windows populated with charecter and isk amount
SetDestination(systemID) sets the current destination, clearing any waypoints AddWaypoint(systemID) adds a waypoint
MailTo(charectername/ID/mailgroupname?, subject, body) Opens a new mail window populated with destination, subject, and body
ShowContract(contractID) shows a contract, could be used in concert with a contracts API to market items in game through website.
ShowMarketItem(ItemType) shows the market details page for the given item
ShowFitting(serializedFittingData) this is a stretch, but some what to allow a website to share fitting information, even to allow a user to save that fitting if they choose.
ShowInfo(ItemType, Item) hoping this will still lallow us to show info on charecters, ext, and that adding folks to buddies, sending mail, sending money, ext... may be done through a link like this.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2009.11.10 08:14:00 -
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span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Chruker on 10/11/2009 08:18:58 /i /span br omg!!! over 1 month of inactivity... I better resurrect this thread with a request for a status update - br br EDIT: br Dont mind this crazy person... he thought he was posting in the a href= http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180295&page=9 target= _blank http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180295&page=9 /a IGB dev. thread
*tsk* *tsk* ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi
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sporkmonger
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.28 23:26:00 -
[141]
Any chance we'll be getting fleet management APIs?
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