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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: OneT my 2 cents
digg but in reverse
basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.
when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick
this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.
the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.
alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.
so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned
you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)
anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.
This!
But besides that, again, good work CCP.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 18/08/2009 07:53:04 Great blog!
A question: How much isk have been confiscated in total during the "Unholy rage" crusade against the RMT?
And continue doing a great job!!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:59:00 -
[123]
Nice rage.
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maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:04:00 -
[124]
i am pleased, very pleased indeed by this dev blog. keep up the work ccp, erase these s****from our galaxy :D 0ok! |
Mai Hantaka
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:15:00 -
[125]
Excellent work!!
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THEHANGMAN
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:21:00 -
[126]
Originally by: OneT my 2 cents
digg but in reverse
basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.
when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick
this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.
the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.
alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.
so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned
you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)
anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.
Dum thing to ask why cant CCP just save the last message of anyone thats been blocked by more then one player. most isk scammers try trial accounts and spam local within two systems there been blocked by 10 people +
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:00:00 -
[127]
Good Work :)
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Mr John22ta
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:06:00 -
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Awesome CCP, good job. This has been needed for a while!
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:16:00 -
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So you fracked up my cheap implant market, banned few macroers and now your trying to look good? You know very well that they will be back and paying your new patch of accounts. You pretend you care your players when ISK sellers give 10% (according to your graphs) of your income.
How stupid you think we are?
You deserve nothing but slap in face for this operation .. you should have told us this before so we could have hoarded those cheap implants
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:16:00 -
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Keep raging!
RMT baaad, PLEX gooood.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar RaouLCrew
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:27:00 -
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I liked the pretty graph things.
I'm also looking forward to a reemergence of a truly player driven market and industry as opposed to what we've been seeing in the past few years. Kudos to the GMs responsible for all of this. ---
I has a blog.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon So you fracked up my cheap implant market, banned few macroers and now your trying to look good? You know very well that they will be back and paying your new patch of accounts. You pretend you care your players when ISK sellers give 10% (according to your graphs) of your income.
How stupid you think we are?
You deserve nothing but slap in face for this operation .. you should have told us this before so we could have hoarded those cheap implants
You look stupid yes, do you know how much money does all that credit card fraud stuff costs to CCP? Get away, cluesless people.
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Ertai Vodalion
Gallente LifeLine Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:43:00 -
[133]
Thanks CCP - awesome as usual.
good work !
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:49:00 -
[134]
Was quite awesome when I saw Sivala going from 130 average to 30. Hard to believe that 70% of the system were macros.
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Eddie Sleaze
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:32:00 -
[135]
I whole heartily agree with the removal of bots and isk miners, I've even noticed (especially in the ice fields an noticeable drop in the macro mackinaws. However, I've also seen a darker side of this process. A friend of mine found that he had suddenly been relieved of a large portion of his items and isk, claiming that he had bought in game items with rw money. I know the guy personally and know that he wouldn't have ever have engaged in such activity as he took too much pride in both his own character (RW) as well as the characters he created in game. He worked hard researching all things eve and had 4 active accounts. The only thing we could figure is someone falsely petitioned him and that was good enough for ccp. If they had examined his journals/transactions they'd have seen he was just playing the game well, very well. He placed a petition but decided to leave the game shortly after.. It's made it Eve and emptier place for the friends he made there. Meanwhile I keep seeing isk spammers in local.
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Sleaze I whole heartily agree with the removal of bots and isk miners, I've even noticed (especially in the ice fields an noticeable drop in the macro mackinaws. However, I've also seen a darker side of this process. A friend of mine found that he had suddenly been relieved of a large portion of his items and isk, claiming that he had bought in game items with rw money. I know the guy personally and know that he wouldn't have ever have engaged in such activity as he took too much pride in both his own character (RW) as well as the characters he created in game. He worked hard researching all things eve and had 4 active accounts. The only thing we could figure is someone falsely petitioned him and that was good enough for ccp. If they had examined his journals/transactions they'd have seen he was just playing the game well, very well. He placed a petition but decided to leave the game shortly after.. It's made it Eve and emptier place for the friends he made there. Meanwhile I keep seeing isk spammers in local.
Your friend lied to you. ---
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Eddie Sleaze
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Eddie Sleaze I whole heartily agree with the removal of bots and isk miners, I've even noticed (especially in the ice fields an noticeable drop in the macro mackinaws. However, I've also seen a darker side of this process. A friend of mine found that he had suddenly been relieved of a large portion of his items and isk, claiming that he had bought in game items with rw money. I know the guy personally and know that he wouldn't have ever have engaged in such activity as he took too much pride in both his own character (RW) as well as the characters he created in game. He worked hard researching all things eve and had 4 active accounts. The only thing we could figure is someone falsely petitioned him and that was good enough for ccp. If they had examined his journals/transactions they'd have seen he was just playing the game well, very well. He placed a petition but decided to leave the game shortly after.. It's made it Eve and emptier place for the friends he made there. Meanwhile I keep seeing isk spammers in local.
Your friend lied to you.
I know better troll
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:03:00 -
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shouldn't we need a permanent team to rid of this. I get the feeling this was only a temporary team that took care of the problem and now they went on their usual business.
Also, I want the power to turn them flashy red so I can shoot and pod them...that would be awesome.
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Hun Jakuza
24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:10:00 -
[139]
Finaly
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Huberek Morchu
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ockedof Ukack
That sounds an awful lot like how I mine, but then again I have to deal with people who get thier kicks off of stealing my cans. so what if his corpmates were mining like that some people dont like to share thier profits with their corps so. based on the gank thing It sounds like your the type of person that makes it so I actually have to drop off each load of ore instead of jetcanning. however the on all the time thing thats a whole nother matter. Then again I am on 8-16 hours a day
Youre on 8-16 hours a day with a single hulk, warping to a belt, mining, docking, warping back to a different belt, mining, docking, warping to a different belt, mining docking? And youve been doing this exact same thing, 8-16 hours a day, every single day, for 3 months? If this is true, someone needs to put you out of your misery. or more likely, your exagerating. As I said, this isnt my first macro. We can tell the difference.
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CCP Diagoras
C C P
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nidhiesk shouldn't we need a permanent team to rid of this. I get the feeling this was only a temporary team that took care of the problem and now they went on their usual business.
I can assure you that we are still working on this, don't worry about that. _______________ CCP Diagoras Research and Statistics |
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Okonaa
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Okonaa on 18/08/2009 13:00:35 Reading that devblog keeps me thinking why it is even possible to macro something ingame, simple solution would be to randomize the mining process, so that you need manual input from a human. lets say you have to manually modulate the mining lasers and have to change the random modulation of the lasers in an extra popup window that comes up when you mine. make a minigame out of it, because lets face it, mining is boring as hell.
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Carcosa Hali
Order of Anarchy The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:22:00 -
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You scrapped $138,000 of monthly income just to waste these guys. There oughta be a medal for things like this.. --------------
Sometimes you lose it all...
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Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:36:00 -
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Wonderful blog, but I think CCP missed a chance to implement an elegant, "eve-style" solution to the problem.
Instead of banning the RMT/Macro accounts, simply remove CONCORD protection from them (and flag them as such in local/overview), and give a Sec Status *GAIN* for killing and podding them.
Oh, and increase the broker fees they have to pay when selling, if you're feeling particularly nasty.
The real players could then have much fun dealing with the problem.
Of course, occasionally some innocent soul might get unfairly accused, but better to be stuck in a station (with access to your logs and so on) than banned outright. World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:18:00 -
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Your unholy rage is much appreciated. Thank you!
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DJ SARGE
Minmatar Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:36:00 -
[146]
A W E S O M E S A U C E .. pure and simple .. keep up the good work ccp ..
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Po Chita
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:40:00 -
[147]
I've to say thanks, and keep going.
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Joe Everyguy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia Since exactly 22nd june tritanium prices fell like crazy.. veldspar lost its worth...
It's STILL utterly worthless.
Originally by: Cire XIII Edited by: Cire XIII on 17/08/2009 18:07:57 Very well written and delivered Grimmi. I have definitely noticed fewer macroratters in 0.0, and those that are found, and petitioned, are quickly 'gone'.
Must be nice. My petitions on macroers are outright ignored.
Originally by: CCP Diagoras If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.
All I get from this is "We'll look into it" and nothing becomes of it. Javerendi is still a festering hive of macro users.
Originally by: Freibuis * Plex Prices are expected to rise
...and still unatainable for those of us who don't play hours on end, day after day.
Originally by: Nodalise Hurt took you like 3 years to resolve this issue, way to go.
I couldn't be more underwhelmed if I tried. My apathy knows no bounds. 3 years? Really? Holy God.
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Kassimila
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:13:00 -
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So I would like to comment on this "Unholy rage". Everyone seems to be all for it at the moment, but I personally have a feeling you will all start crying soon. So lets look at a few thing that will effect the market here. Previously many corporations/players exploited a bug allowing them to dupe moon minerals in POS silos, enabling quite a few people to mass trillions of isk. This isk was spent on capital ships, which anyone who builds them knows takes quite a bit of trit to produce, as well as a large amount of ice to fuel. This trit and ice was primarily mined by these RMT macro miners. Now personally I don't see the issue with macro miners, nor selling isk. Provided that they are paying accounts, and are NOT hyjacking other peoples accounts to get their isk, who cares? CCP claims this is a great thing, and the market is "unaffected", yet the price of isotopes has already doubled. Perhaps Ice mining in general should be looked at, to enable players to gather more iso's in a shorter amount of time, before this gets out of hand. Trit as well. If not in future months you will see a sharp spike in trit/iso prices as the supply runs out. Other things could be done to address these issues such as.
#1. Give players a way to track down safespotted and cloaked people (Perhaps a special probe that is only usable at astrometrics 5). This will allow us the players to remove these random 0.0 ratters from our space. As well as making titans no longer invulnerable to attack. While still allowing cloaking to be a viable option.
#2. Make Carriers/Motherships a more viable fighting option (Perhaps allowing it to out dps a battleship would help), T2 fighters, improved long range control, etc. ( I realize this has nothing to do with the rage, more of a "what you SHOULD be focusing on" comment.)
#3. Make ice generate much more units when mined, and then make it randomly shatter and do damage to ships. (This will stop the massive pile of afk miners in high sec).
#4. Increase the amount of trit yielded from veldspar.
#5. Focus on punishing the people using exploits to make isk, rather than the people that play the game "23/7".
#6. Lower the cost of "PLEX" cards, so that it's in line with the cost of purchasing it illegally. (Giving players no reason to purchase it from them). You've already shown you're willing to ban 10k + paying accounts (150,000 dollars a month) to enforce your EULA, so I can't see money being an issue here.
Just my 2 cents. -Kass
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Ballistic Mystic
The Advocacy Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Carcosa Hali You scrapped $138,000 of monthly income just to waste these guys. There oughta be a medal for things like this..
Nobody is that stupid. It's likely that the cost of keeping the accounts was more than losing them.
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