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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:54:00 -
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"During scheduled downtime on June 22nd a little over 6200 paying accounts were banned in one go."
I know it was over 5000 accounts bot no where near 6200..
Great work.
The only good farmer is a perma banned farmer. (dead works to, sine they have nice loot sometimes)
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:24:00 -
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Superb blog and great results! Thank you!
Now keep the momentum going and do this every so often - because they will adapt . ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Shiny Musheji
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:34:00 -
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You have done yourselves proud, CCP. I know there are also the volunteers, as well, who have helped, so thanks to you, the unsung heroes (lol). The game is awesome, and as somebody who has robbed and suicided farmers in the past, with no real effect on them, I am grateful that I can return to the asteroids and get on with be awestruck every time I undock. 'Unholy Rage' is apt and good, if a little "Amarr", and I hope you stay on top of it.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:16:00 -
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All the tears in this thread of people getting their macro alts banned are delicious.
Nice job CCP, and awesome blog.
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Mr Xanatos
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Diagoras If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.
How about an option to right click on a user in local/space and select "I think this is an ISK trader/macrominer". That would link straight to your GM's and build up a nice little database instead of people having to fill in forms. You'd get a much more involved player base with this, an extra 40k+ set of eyes would go a long way to getting rid of these pests. |
Joe Everyguy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xanatos
How about an option to right click on a user in local/space and select "I think this is an ISK trader/macrominer". That would link straight to your GM's and build up a nice little database instead of people having to fill in forms. You'd get a much more involved player base with this, an extra 40k+ set of eyes would go a long way to getting rid of these pests.
That'd be too easy.
Besides. The potential for abuse with something like that is pretty huge.
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Skandrannon22
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:00:00 -
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To Huberek Morchu - I find it fun to hop in an interceptor and slap in a MWD, and ram hulks who macro mine / hulks who come into a full belt and _have_ to hit the same rocks as me.
There's no quick way to fix that, and all said and done, you've just ****ed 'em off and cost 5 mins of warping. And if it is a macro miner, hopefully you throw off their macro for a bit.
I've read all 8 pages of this, and I still can't find a good reason why trit prices crashed. One would think that there is less of it, and therefore the price would go up. If I missed something, then sorry, but link it or repeat :p
There are a lot of folks who are bashing the company for fixing this, and not problem X, but, do you really thing this is the only thing they are working on? I'm not tryin to brownnose, but damn, think before you type.
I also think that there are pleanty of things in game that ruin some gameplay, or let people otherwise ruin your time "within the rules". I still think stealing salvage should flag you, so that I can asplode you... but they, thats me. So I understand that there are other issues with the game, but I'm not going to flame b/c they fixed the problem that I wasn't personally angry about.
-Skan
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Red Raider
Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:06:00 -
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FANTASTIC!!!
A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out. |
Mine Lady
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Posted - 2009.08.21 03:37:00 -
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I've been away from EVE for quite sometime. I decided to play today, so I got all my mining alts out and headed for the asteroid fields. The first thing I noticed was that there seemed to be more rocks than normal and the second thing was they seemed bigger for this time of day. I also noticed the lack of miners. I thought I was just a luck, and proceeded to mine my fill.
I got back to the space station and did a price on trit, and I was rather shocked. Why is it so low? Last summer it was selling for 9.0 to 10.0 a unit! I came here on the forum to get answers and that's when I read about the "Unholy Rage"post. Now I understand.
Good job CCP.
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Mine Lady
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Posted - 2009.08.21 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: OneT my 2 cents
digg but in reverse
basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.
when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick
this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.
the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.
alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.
so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned
you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)
anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.
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A system like this would be abused so fast your head would spin.
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Nova Satar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:28:00 -
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i bet you ****ing loves these isk sellers, if you time it right they can pay you $40 for an account, then you give them just long enough to make a profit, then you ban them so they have to give you another $40 for a new account..
They make a profit, you make have great repeat business.
I don't blame you, but i wish you'd stop riding your moral horse about town and pretending you want it to end.
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Varna
Caldari Cryodyne LTD
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:36:00 -
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about CCP: people abusing a exploit like the "pos exploit" kicked and banned and such: perfect.
here's my (probably stupid) opinion about that rage thing:
But about the macro and isk dudes... i don't care. i just see ships that can be blown up. and no i don't need another button to point them out to ccp, i already have buttons for that called F1 F2 F3 etc... very effective against macro people. so...
so why am i annoyed with this action of ccp? well. its about the developers spending time in the wrong place. Eve is in the future. what future is that? one without an automated ice mining installation or ore extraction machine. It simply doesn't exist. How weird. even today we have fully automated machines.
Why dont we have automated systems that we can protect? noooo. they want me to wait say 300 seconds per cycle until i'm old and gray.
CCP go work on gameplay and (try to) make using macros impossible. Then you will effectively get rid of macrominers. and if macrominers are playing like regular players for 23 hours a day.. who cares. they pay for using your computer resources so why shouldn't they mine all day? You just want them to buy PLEX. (so finally it all comes back to the one and only thing that counts and that is $$$ farming) My guess is that they wont be mining all day without macros.
so...back to my point: do what developers are good at doing (should be "developing") and thus should do: make macro usage impossible! because: no macros = no macrominers = no isk sellers and therefore no RMT (or at least a lot less.)
personally i would love to see structures that can mine (ice) belts unattended. (with spectacular explosions to blow them up :-) hehe) and maybe it should be more fun for people who like to mine, to feel protected by their mining facility. and they should be able to find very rare minerals or items (lost when mined with a machine) to lure the miners out in their mining vessels. that way you make it interesting to mine instead of giving the feeling that you are working. Automated Mining vessels need to be taken care of, teh ore still needs to be transported and ooh my all those opportunities to kill those happy miners. or wait. no i am a carebear... lets protect them and my facility. i dont like mining for long times. its boring. yep. it is. making repairs to my facility would aslo be boring if i had to do it all day long. but hey some people like to do boring things. i dont like shooting people just because i can, i am no pirate. i just shoot to protect my friends, assets and own ass.
and yes i like to explore and find nice looking things. i am not into PVP like other people. On rare occasions i like to fight, but its not my main thing. I still remember the early days that one could fly 20 jumps through lowsec and 0.0 without sieng a single soul. is that fun? well now i know there is nothing to see, but then? i was curious to find out.
today there isn't much i am curious about, since there is nothing new that doesn't involve bigger guns, longer ranged guns or the need to do missions in low sec enabeling a bunch of gatecampers to enjoy killing every single player passing through. becasue they like to see -9.9 stats. How great someone must be to get a flashing blip.
or those nice people paying isks to get them wanted. IMO another failed piece of gameplay. (who do you think gets the rewards?) i admit i am just a occasional player that only logs in to chat a little so what do i know..
Have fun... i know i have.
(sorry for my not to good english and my narrow view of the Great Game called Eve, i have 4 active accounts and still trying to find out what i am doing.) Varna CEO Synaptic Network II www.sn2.nl |
Huberek Morchu
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Skandrannon22 To Huberek Morchu - I find it fun to hop in an interceptor and slap in a MWD, and ram hulks who macro mine / hulks who come into a full belt and _have_ to hit the same rocks as me.
There's no quick way to fix that, and all said and done, you've just ****ed 'em off and cost 5 mins of warping. And if it is a macro miner, hopefully you throw off their macro for a bit. -Skan
Yeah, weve done that too. It doesnt **** the, off because no one is watching the screen. Its a macro. We just bump them to determine if someone is on autopilot. They warp back to station, dock, undock, come back. Next up we suicide them. This usually stops them for a day, but also costs us security status. Next day they are back in a new hulk. Mining 23/7 allows them to easily replace losses. The only real solution is CCP ban, but that takes a long time usually. Im happy they finally got rid of most of them. Im just plagued with a player macro now. HArder to prove.
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Sweet Yoni
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sweet Yoni on 21/08/2009 13:29:13 First of all: To all those short-sighted minds only screaming murder, death, kill to RMT's and macro-miners... crawl back under the roid you came from and S**U.
I don't care about macro-mining and the fact someone other then CCP is making money. CCP is already getting paid through the subscription payments. Better yet, bring in loads of macro-miners so prizes of.. let's say...really big ships will drop to acceptable levels. So more people can actualy fly one without the fear of losing it. I want to play EVE and not, for example, ice-mine my pretty ass off to keep the POS running. EVE is starting to look like work. Let me be clear on exploits: Gaining resources or advantage through bugs is not cool and should be dealth with accordingly.
Maybe CCP should open a webshop from which items can be "legally" bought with real money. Items which are build in EVE offcourse. That way it's bye bye RMT's, CCP is making more money to make this game way bigger, better, prettier and so on.
@CCP: Stop chewing your own tail here. It will give you a bad taste, you'll see
So, and that's my 2 isk (no real money in EVE, remember )
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Sanche Tehkeli
Gallente Bionesis Technologies Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.21 14:56:00 -
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Nwo that this operation has moved public, I'd like to know the way to report suspicious characters operating around Ingunn, petition main and second category, please.
Already done it several times but GM said I did not use the right channel without giving me the right info.
Thanks.
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:39:00 -
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would it be possible for a graph on some mineral prices for unholy rage, i think it would be interesting to see how much macros affect the mineral prices
Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
Garamis Takians
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:55:00 -
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Thank you CCP. Great work and it's much appreciated!
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KahnShapir
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:18:00 -
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Yes I like what they have done; when I tried to mine, the belts were largely depleted, sometimes there wasn't even a single rock left. The only way to get a decent mining op was to do a mission, then mine the rocks, or go to a system with poor stations. Now there are Lots of rocks everywhere. I have yet to run into a depleted belt.
I run 2 accounts, and have on occasion transferred 500m ISK from one account to another. I did not hear from CCP at all over this, so they must know what they are doing.
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Original XZilla
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Posted - 2009.08.22 00:52:00 -
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I for one am glad that you finally decided to do something about the problem, particularly with macro-miners. I have noticed a difference in lag caused by macro-miners. Play is a lot nicer in Essence anyway. I would suggest that CCP respond to petitions regarding macros and other such threats more quickly than you have in the past. Maybe create a category for this threat and fast track any necessary action to be taken. Thanks for Unholy Rage.
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Sweet Yoni
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: KahnShapir Yes I like what they have done; when I tried to mine, the belts were largely depleted, sometimes there wasn't even a single rock left. The only way to get a decent mining op was to do a mission, then mine the rocks, or go to a system with poor stations. Now there are Lots of rocks everywhere. I have yet to run into a depleted belt.
So maybe high-sec is getting crowded. Expand high-sec or better yet expand the EVE Universe big time. That shouldn't be problem. So people can fly around for days without encountering a single soul. Or make a new home in zero-sec without being wiped away in a blink of an eye.
Originally by: KahnShapir I run 2 accounts, and have on occasion transferred 500m ISK from one account to another. I did not hear from CCP at all over this, so they must know what they are doing.
I have 4 accounts with all 12 toons spread around the Universe. I transfer billions between them and there's nothing wrong with that. This is exactly what this witchhunt is causing. Better not look suspicious you might get banned.
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Max Dominion
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Posted - 2009.08.22 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Max Dominion on 22/08/2009 10:39:54 A friend of mine accused icelandic people of being lavamonkeys. I actualy start to believe it's true. Banning 6200 RMT accounts is enough proof that;
(a) way more than 6200 accounts are buying stuff from RMT's. (b) there's a lot of money involved with RMT and CCP is not getting any. (c) CCP is a business with shareholders. Businesses are not trowing away $150.000 each month without (the prospect of) gaining more.
I just saw the promotional banner when logging in. "Joe dealed with the enemy and now they took his ship and isk" Really CCP, you're acting like a little child feeling left out and is starting a riot. It's clear that you want all the money involved with EVE. And so you should, really. But obviously PLEX aren't enough. People want to buy more than just PLEX hence the RMT's. Just open up your own shop like all you fellow gamebuilder comrades and let the money flow in.
Ooops, you just said that's immoral. Damn.. shot your own foot there.
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RAIDEN TEYREL
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Posted - 2009.08.22 13:17:00 -
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I gotta agree with GM Grimmi, and the rest of the CCP team, RMT has been ruining our game, I even took a year off because of this, almost made me quit. But i`m not one to waste 5 years of hard slog because of a few get rich quick schemes. The PLEX idea has made mining a past-time again, something to put all that extra ore towards. Not to mention all the crap loot you can get from low end missions. Great idea guys, great title "holy rage", just wish other games could be as ruthless as Eve in their pursuit to stop the RMT crowds. |
k'tol
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:06:00 -
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I'm confused. Can't have real money flowing into the game, that's immoral Joe. Bad Joe! But you can buy PLEX with real money from CCP and sell them ingame. I don't see the difference there.
Well, i'm off ratting again. I want to fly a 1 billion marauder by the end of the year. With a approx. 900.000isk bounty on zero-sec NPC battleships i have to kill about 12.000 rats. Oh crap, have to fit it too. That will take me a couple of months more. Let's hope i won't get podded in zero-sec by all those nice people.
Ah, what the heck. Maybe i should start scamming, lying, cheating, stealing from other people because that's not immoral. Right?
Oh no, what did i just said. Now i look suspicious too. Better divert the attention away from me like all the other peeps and start screaming.... Death to all RMT's (CCP excluded offcourse)..kill anyone who looks suspicous.. give me buttons so i can easily report all bad Joe's.
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Raithius
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:10:00 -
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Awsome work. Banning these ****er's is whats needed. Nice one ccp love you long time. |
General Darkstone
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:46:00 -
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Yeah, awesome. Let's have ourselves an unholy mental raging witchhunt. Ban all those RMT's and all accounts who ordered chinese take-out, ever! Take down all those who harbor chinese macro's in zero-sec. Let's all go to Jita and shoot all RMT supporting bastards who jump in. There's no reason to fly to that craphole other then pick-up their orders.
Let's show our support to CCP and start assembling raiding parties. Petition anyone who acts suspicious. Like accounts not older then a couple of months flying battleships. It's unlikely that they earned that with honest hard labour. Take out miners who dock and undock at stations and tank NPC's or even worse...empty a whole belt.Whaaaa... burn you fools, burn! And what about those lotteries. Giving away titans, motherships or a crapload of ships. People buying billions worth of tickets. Yeah right, don't think i can't see what's happening here. All must burn, burn, burn.
Are you feeling that rage too...awesome. Let's bring out a new expansion named 'Apocalypta' where you don't face a standing loss podding a potential RMT bastard. Or any account supporting them. Receive LP's for every account you helped getting banned. Free ship replacement for every brave soul who lost his in this magnificent rage. And offcourse Jita and all other RMT infested system is removed from the Universe. Wouldn't that be awesome.
Fools!
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Muraculas
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:09:00 -
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This is a most excellent written blog. When I see folks able to buy skills and not run missions, or even come close to playing the game the way it was intended, it makes me sorry they cannot see they have defeated themselves and the whole purpose of playing.
It seems that ISK and skills purchased should be more tied into missions performed counting and levels achieved with agents, then allow the skill purchases, thus keeping ISK from entering into the equaqtion so heavily.
I am new at this and have seen guys that started when I did literally buy their way into top ships and only run a few missions. Does not seem that ISK should be that weighted to allow this to occur.
I most sincerely applaud the article and the effort. Keep up the great work.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:33:00 -
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Finally! Very good news! You got slashdotted too. :)
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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ZiggyMeister
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:46:00 -
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Nice to know about this "Unholy Rage", and I sure hope you can keep those parasites away from EVE.
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Joe Everyguy
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Posted - 2009.08.22 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: k'tol I'm confused. Can't have real money flowing into the game, that's immoral Joe. Bad Joe! But you can buy PLEX with real money from CCP and sell them ingame. I don't see the difference there.
I know. Isn't CCP's hypocrasy fantastic?
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:55:00 -
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First of all, good job CCP, and now I request a response from you and any other players with experience in this.
Like many people here I notice what looks to me like Macro Miners/Missioners/Cargo runners/spammers (non-isk selling kind) constantly, and I report them, but like many here I never see action taken. I understand you can't discuss this, but I still see the same macro in local day in and day out.
CCP asks for a petition to be opened with any info I have. My question is, what info do you want? In other words, I see what looks to me like a macro miner, when I open my petition, what can I say other than... "this guy looks like a macro miner to me". Are there logs I can send a GM? What kind of proof are you looking for when you look into macro miners?
Also, for those of you with more experience in petitioning these people, what do you look for when you think someone is using a macro? Try to convo them, see if there is a response? Talk to them in local? evemail? Orbit them and see if their action changes the way a humans would over the hours? What should I look for to prevent me from petitioning the wrong people?
I see people spamming local (especially trade hubs) with stuff other than isk. Pasting contracts and WTS every 5 seconds. It's not ISK selling, but I'm sure most are using a macro to post that information 23/7. What should I look for in these people before petitioning? As they do nothing but sit in station and paste in local they're a lot harder to watch.
To sum up my question to CCP: What information do you want when I petition a macro? What would help you?
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