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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:17:00 -
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Not to sh*t on your parade CCP with all the good work of banning and all but i think it's safe to say the recent bannings have been the direct catalyst for account hacking. RMT accounts became unusable and were unable to hoard isk for sale hence they resorted to more invading techniques of postbot dumping keylogger links and creditcard fraud and all that. In all honesty great work with the banning but also in all honesty, couldn't you have prepared for the consequences a bit more instead of getting mass spanked and spammed with keylogger links and such? A foreseeable result of your (great nonetheless) actions... Which caught you off guard if my eyes didn't deceive me.
Keep up the good work but please keep the consequences in better check next time...
No i was not hacked ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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durazell
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:29:00 -
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Flashy graphs, but ISK is still being traded through plex disturbing the "free economy". Behavior, game play and macro economics are influenced by easy access to legal ISK for the vast majority of eve players. CCP have engaged into the profitable isk seller business when plex was introduced minus off course hacking, theft and Eula violations. Isk should not be traded licensed/plex or illegal. Money trade corrupts the game, but its certainly a big trade for those involved.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kassimila #1. Give players a way to track down safespotted and cloaked people (Perhaps a special probe that is only usable at astrometrics 5). This will allow us the players to remove these random 0.0 ratters from our space. As well as making titans no longer invulnerable to attack. While still allowing cloaking to be a viable option.
If the player is clever enough to spot somebody in local, warp to a safe, cloak and wait till local drops again then just disrupt them till it becomes pointless for them to be there.
Why break a valid game mechanic (lurking cloaked in a system to disrupt "safe" ratting) as part of this RMT removal process?
Better option is wormhole style local so they won't be able to spot you until you appear on scan.
Originally by: Kassimila #3. Make ice generate much more units when mined, and then make it randomly shatter and do damage to ships. (This will stop the massive pile of afk miners in high sec).
Kneejerk reactions are bad and cause more imbalance than letting the market settle. If ice product prices are currently on the rise it means ice mining makes more isk per hour and becomes viable for actual humans to spend time doing it. Increasing the amount mined per hour to maintain the artificial low prices... no thanks, let the market decide.
How will random damage to the ship stop afk mining? People will adapt to dock and repair when the ship is damaged - a minor irritation nothing more.
Originally by: Kassimila
#4. Increase the amount of trit yielded from veldspar.
Another Kneejerk reaction to prices going up in the short term. Making veld even more valuable to mine puts more pressure on those roids (that sounds all kinds of wrong ) and further reduces the point of high end mining (isk/hour wise).
Originally by: Kassimila
#5. Focus on punishing the people using exploits to make isk, rather than the people that play the game "23/7".
Agree that sploiters need to be banned and isk removed, however people playing 23/7 actively (as in not afk docked/cloaked whatever) by definition must be doing something odd (as in most people need to sleep more than 1 hour a day) and thus are likely to be shared accounts or macros...
Originally by: Kassimila
#6. Lower the cost of "PLEX" cards, so that it's in line with the cost of purchasing it illegally.
You are missing the point, CCP don't set the ISK value of a PLEX. The price is player driven thus CCP shouldn't get involved.
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Avendoor
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:39:00 -
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Great Job CCP.... I hate ISK sellers... death to them all!!.
Anyone remember when goons did hulk ganking? it was for this purpose of macro miners.... power to the peeps!
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Ballistic Mystic
The Advocacy Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:42:00 -
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I've always hated isk sellers. Playing any game for any reason other than fun and enjoyment of the game ruins it and everyone knows it. Even RMT won't deny that it ruins the spirit of the game.
With all the spin on everything these days it's hard to tell what's actually going on anywhere unless you had a direct hand in it, and even then sometimes it's not all that clear.
It's a problem that has gotten out of control tho, and anything out of control in this world eventually gets hit hard from all sides to avoid throwing the world out of balance. RMT have become so blatant about what they're doing that it directly insults the devs, and if it were my game I would be answering that insult with terminal intensity.
At first the income from the accounts might seem more important, especially to a growing company. CCP is still growing, but they have become a leader in their field, they are the very best at what they do. Now it's time for the best to show the rest how to get it all back under control addressing a problem that plagues all MMMORPGs or lose face and their beloved game.
It's not all spin, you have no choice but to do something when it's gotten so bad it's not even your game anymore and RMT are slapping you in the face with your own ****.
Just my two cents
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:12:00 -
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Good job and nice blogs. I especially like the scientific approach to the problem. RMT is a big headache for MMOs, and you guys seem to have the right approach to deal with it. Keep up the good work! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kassimila
#6. Lower the cost of "PLEX" cards, so that it's in line with the cost of purchasing it illegally.
You are missing the point, CCP don't set the ISK value of a PLEX. The price is player driven thus CCP shouldn't get involved.
I'm not talking about lowering the ISK cost of a plex card. I'm talking about lowering the real money cost of purchasing them. They currently cost more than a standard subscription.
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Fivetide
Amarr Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:17:00 -
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Its good to see that CCP are putting gameplay and the game players before profit, however I think that it will attract more players who are sick of their own games being spoiled by the RMT's ... it could also be a communist plot to undermine the American way of life ! or not..but I expect 90% of RMT'ers are based in the land of the little red book.. so there Quote of the Month
your standing infront of 500 people and your the only one faceing the wrong way jimmy carr |
Mandilater
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:29:00 -
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CLIFFS: CCP can't figure out how to get a cut from macro players so they ban a bunch of suspected RMT players and make pretty reports to show us how much it has helped. SO I guess my question is at what time did CCP figure out that these guys were making more than they were to "have to do something". Here is a thought why don't you spend the same amount of man hours on fixing this bugged out game.
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CCP Diagoras
C C P
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Everyguy
Originally by: CCP Diagoras If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.
All I get from this is "We'll look into it" and nothing becomes of it. Javerendi is still a festering hive of macro users.
Our policies prevent us from disclosing any action we take when we receive reports such as this. I can however assure you that all reports we receive are taken seriously and looked into. _______________ CCP Diagoras Research and Statistics |
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Plague Black
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:49:00 -
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CCP you are dinosaurs. You can fight it all you want but it will be like trying to prevent a tsunami bursting trough sand dam by using 3 children spatulas and 145gr of cotton.
You can freely allow real cash economy in EVE as having tons of isk means absolutely nothing if you don't have the skills to back it up. And if you have the skills then you don't need to buy isk as you will be making it with ease ingame.
I want rich people to come into my space in their t3 ships, fresh out of ebay, so I kill them using T1 cruisers. And I don't mind macro farmers feeding their kids by selling isk in some backwater country, it's 100x better then pickpocketing or knifing rich tourists.
"Unholy rage" is just another codename for "We have no clue about the future". People will keep putting "illegal" isk in this game regardless of how much of your nerd rage is invested into banning them. You should focus on making EVE a better game instead. But then again you can't help it as you don't know better, I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.
I'm also not surprised that you have so much nerd support in this thread, as if brown-nosing CCP ever did something good for anyone in this game. All people cheering your efforts to band some macro losers are as clueless as you are.
Sometimes I wonder how you made this beautiful game, you keep displaying basic business incompetence ever since EVE went live. I guess the beast was set free and lives despite your "efforts" to kill it because so many of us just love living in EVE universe. But I'm warning you, nothing lasts forever, you will have to face your ****ty moves sooner or later.
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Brendana Fortescue
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Plague Black CCP you are dinosaurs. You can fight it all you want but it will be like trying to prevent a tsunami bursting trough sand dam by using 3 children spatulas and 145gr of cotton.
You can freely allow real cash economy in EVE as having tons of isk means absolutely nothing if you don't have the skills to back it up. And if you have the skills then you don't need to buy isk as you will be making it with ease ingame.
I want rich people to come into my space in their t3 ships, fresh out of ebay, so I kill them using T1 cruisers. And I don't mind macro farmers feeding their kids by selling isk in some backwater country, it's 100x better then pickpocketing or knifing rich tourists.
"Unholy rage" is just another codename for "We have no clue about the future". People will keep putting "illegal" isk in this game regardless of how much of your nerd rage is invested into banning them. You should focus on making EVE a better game instead. But then again you can't help it as you don't know better, I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.
I'm also not surprised that you have so much nerd support in this thread, as if brown-nosing CCP ever did something good for anyone in this game. All people cheering your efforts to band some macro losers are as clueless as you are.
Sometimes I wonder how you made this beautiful game, you keep displaying basic business incompetence ever since EVE went live. I guess the beast was set free and lives despite your "efforts" to kill it because so many of us just love living in EVE universe. But I'm warning you, nothing lasts forever, you will have to face your ****ty moves sooner or later.
Your alt account got banned?
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Kaledon Brown
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:07:00 -
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What a load of **** CCP. You might be fooling the Government but not the people that play the game first hand. This game is still full of ISK farmers and CCP griefers. Designed to generate tax free income, CCP is more active now than ever in trading in game ISK for real money. I find it insulting you even post this **** without actually doing anything about it. The entire game is setup to facilitate this illegal activity and hasn't changed in years except with the addition of salvage and stealing in general which only enhances the tax free money making business.
Hell CCP doesn't even have an auto-loot system or need for greed system or anything. Mechanics that fail to do what they are designed to do but at the same time promote harassment and griefing which leads to the trading of ISK for money. This game aint even worth playing for free let alone paying to play.
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Diagoras
Originally by: Nidhiesk shouldn't we need a permanent team to rid of this. I get the feeling this was only a temporary team that took care of the problem and now they went on their usual business.
I can assure you that we are still working on this, don't worry about that.
Can we get the power to boot those players out of station so we can pod them :). You will make me a very happy man if you do.
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Zenst
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:22:00 -
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SO this explains why in 24 hours that a firend has been playing eve and indeed only actualy played couple of hours that he has managed to petition 5 isk spammers already
Now why dont CCP:
1) ban urls of isk selling sites or at least auto flag those/block peeps passing those urls ingame, thay have no valid purpose and would stomp on alot.
2) get said isk selling sites, see were hosted and contact the local HTC unit to deal with as they are after all money laundering and avopiding tax in currency trades at the very least. Two pronged approach always best approach unless you have 3 pronges.
3) Have people in certain channels like jita local and rookie channels as my friend was able to find all these isk spammers in rookie help channel spamming away, not best introduction to the game is it now :(.
4) Apprecieate that your drive on isk sellers has led them to move the scale up and start hacking accounts, ew yeah cant you see the trend now :(. So why dont you have couple puters in lickle old CCP - route/vpn to different locations say states and uk etc so they have customer looking IP range and then allow them and indeed go out of your way to get keyloggers onto them thru any iffy post that shows and then; and this is the bestest part you can automaticly track them as any activity beyond your designated IP would kinda highlight the lickle isk kiddies and as such enable you to be.......pro-active, if the word pro-active is unfiamilair or loses something in the translation then I appologise, does appear to have no icelandic translation at least as far as reality goes and IT. But would be little effort to set up a eve honeypot.
5) in repairing people hacked accounts which have increased due to lack of macro ice miners - heh go figure that. How about as well as isk you also repair there assets as so many t2 bpo's been sold cheaply it appears, smell the coffee, if a job is worth doing its worth doing right. that and slap the peeps for being nubs and also accept that responsibility in this action is a two way share between you and them given how alot came about, albeiet you reacted rightly even though late.
6) Nice graph but given we have no way to verify this intel or indeed corilate it with anything beyond personal experience I would say that from what I have seen, isk spammers just a prevailant - same sites spammed all the time (url block/flag - seriously c'mon, not like they vary there text that often and most bots clearly) -- indeed mate had fun convoing spammer and spamming them with "isk spammer petitioned" over and over - was more inner karma but he felt better.
But alot of this I have already mentioned previously in petitions regarding isk spammers and even though your smelling the coffee your not drinking it so the phrase could do alot better would apply here.
But if your serious about stopping this s****then you can, just look at some of the points I raised and approach's and adopt them, if you need a hand I'll give you my time and knowledge for free to address this issue, indeed I'm sure there are many who care about there fun/game and know security/IT better than me and would also like to address this with the people who can actualy do it. You just have to ask and we will jump up and down until you have a flat road.
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Coax Cable
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:25:00 -
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I love it, especially the system performance gains. ccp>rmt
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Zila Shadow
Vale Industries Collegium Amarria
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:30:00 -
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I have to say, I love seeing a corporation actually letting raw feelings like this out into their public communications. All too often I think PR personnel err on the side of sterility.
I can't fathom how any team of designers wouldn't be outraged at people abusing their work and property like RMTers do. As much as players make EVE worth playing, CCP makes EVE exist. No labor within EVE could be performed in the absence of New Eden's creators and caretakers. It is their perogative to be jealous gods. If anything, I would have called this operation Holy Rage.
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Plague Black
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Brendana Fortescue
Your alt account got banned?
I have no alts, I have b4llz to post as well as shoot with my main unlike 99% of EVE population or yourself.
What makes me sad panda is that some of our enemies ran out outside fundings so we are lacking targets. I miss killing ebay dreads or ships bought with isk generated by selling stuff made using bpos that developers awarded to themselves.
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Flesh4Fantasy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:43:00 -
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Very nice blog.. one of the best so far.
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Veronica Void
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:48:00 -
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Quote: This will not be possible without help from you, the players. The demand for ISK is what keeps the RMT element alive. They'll keep coming back as long as players are willing to do business with them. We realize that the demand for ISK will not go away and we offer an alternative.
I agree with this statement, but not as some may think. In my opinion, players who buy ISK and make other purchases via RMT should be found just as guilty as the sellers... players who wish to participate in actions such as this should suffer the same consequences as the sellers and have their accounts banned (permanently) as well. Until people have a reason to fear not doing something, they will keep it up for as long possible. Get rid anyone seller/buyer who participates in RMT's. |
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Joe Everyguy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Everyguy on 18/08/2009 19:49:22
Originally by: CCP Diagoras Our policies prevent us from disclosing any action we take when we receive reports such as this. I can however assure you that all reports we receive are taken seriously and looked into.
I'll buy that for a dollar....
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Lord Ra
Amarr Imperial Tau Syndicate Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:53:00 -
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excellent work CCP, cheeseburgers are on me!. |
TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Plague Black What makes me sad panda is that some of our enemies ran out outside fundings so we are lacking targets. I miss killing ebay dreads or ships bought with isk generated by selling stuff made using bpos that developers awarded to themselves.
What amuses me is MM complaining of lack of targets when they have napped 90% of the North.
Want targets you know what to do, reset those blues
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:18:00 -
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Well played economic warfare by CCP for the players.
Thanks guys! =)
[Your posting of this report was a bonus birthday present to me; I've noticed the improvement since July. Didn't know until this report, reasons why the EvE economy improved. Thanks again!]
Quote: may god stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk
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Mandros Aslay
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mandros Aslay on 18/08/2009 20:21:35 Just say NO to RMT ISK.
Best blog I have read in ALL my time.Shows passion
(Republic Military School from 2003.06.28 12:35 to this day) My main is OFFT btw so no cracks about Alts :)
KilROCK in an even reply to my wisdom >"That comment makes me want to punch you in the face" |
Wilson Cole
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:34:00 -
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FANTASTIC. It's good to see a dev team someplace which is taking actual steps to make RMT difficult.
THAT BEING SAID.........
These people have a revenue stream in the high millions of dollars from all games - They are also not altogether stupid people. Every system has a way around it and I would assume its only a matter of time til they begin marketing cheap plexes. They ***** the in game resources, use it to make isk, buy plexes and then just sell the plexes for $$$. No matter what mechanic is put in place in general a smart individual or group of them will find a way to abuse the system.
Diligent attention and the sort of actions (Like banning 6000 RMT's at once will always be a more sure-fire preventative measure than anything else.
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:48:00 -
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My mate have a petition what havent been replied to in over 10 days about account hacking... FFS at least keep us updated!! _________________
Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas.
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Mister Builder
SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:58:00 -
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what a joke your going by user cpu usage and a few other things that ya say can track um.thats crap and ya know it..so ppl play long hours other just nv log out so that means your banning isk sellers and normal players good job ****heads. and ya let focus all our attenion on the isk sellers and not mention the other on going ingame crap thats running around that a get ya banned from most games.....or real issues like fixing allaince pos's and getting rid of some the other bugs...ccp just more of the same
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ Awesome sauce. Great job.
Curious about trade volume (EVE economy is just HUGE), the billions are international system (10^12) or 'american' billions (10^9)?
Billions are 10^9 in most places, including Iceland.
Not sure about iceland but your assesment is wrong for the most part of europe at least... --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Bao Trinh
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:20:00 -
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100% win. I drink to CCP.
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