Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Just say NO to RMT PLEX.

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Originally by: Sandslinger of CA

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So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre

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Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem

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Good work, encouraging results from CCP and interesting commentary on how the market works.

However, I think you are being optimistic about the general market being "remarkably unaffected". Mission loot, isotopes, implants and faction items have all seen steady increases in price and decreases in volume. Furthermore, the 10% decrease in market transactions may seem small, but when considering only 2% of the Eve population was banned this is a considerable change. Easily statistically significant.

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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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Awesome sauce. Great job.


Curious about trade volume (EVE economy is just HUGE), the billions are international system (10^12) or 'american' billions (10^9)?

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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Still have a macro miner in my system, only this one is not RMT, just playing in cheat mode. How do I get rid of him if it took CCP 2 years to get rid of the first ones?

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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Awesome sauce. Great job.


Curious about trade volume (EVE economy is just HUGE), the billions are international system (10^12) or 'american' billions (10^9)?

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Billions are 10^9 in most places, including Iceland.

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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet

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when someone sez "eve is too tuff"
standard reply is "can i have stuff?"

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Originally by: Grimhawk Legacy

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Would love to have an in game market for plex, it sucks having to use message boards to buy and sell.

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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet

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when someone sez "eve is too tuff"
standard reply is "can i have stuff?"

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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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Still have a macro miner in my system, only this one is not RMT, just playing in cheat mode. How do I get rid of him if it took CCP 2 years to get rid of the first ones?

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It did not get 2 years for CCP to get rid of first ones, you allways would see bans here and there but nothign as major as this. The best way is to wardec him, and if he's in NPC corp (most proabbly) suicidegank him repeatdlly.


I hope too that CCP punishes soemway all these who bought ISK from the mentioens RMT's that got caught in this operation, as the own devblog says, best way to kill this is to kill the demand for it. I guess current marketing on PLEX stuff will increase legal money exchange and kill part of the demand, just hoping.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Aside from a few implants, the in-game market has been remarkably unaffected by all this.

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Originally by: Morphisat

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What exactly (well without too much details ;)) do these macroers do that strains the servers so much ? Sending a lot of data to the server ?

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Originally by: Katana Seiko

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I loved reading this one. ♥

So, who is responsible for banning them? Just to know who the red cross guys have to look out for to get him to the hospital when he's drunk from so much free beer that he has an alcohol poisoning. It might become a new world record (afaik it's currently at 5.12 ppm, some guy in russia survived that much).

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Originally by: Amerilia

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Since exactly 22nd june tritanium prices fell like crazy.. veldspar lost its worth...

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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He is in a player corp, much bigger than mine, so I dont want a wardec to make it worse. Im considering using an alt to wardec or gank him. I just shouldnt have to. I should be able to report it, and CCP should investigate and ban.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Aside from a few implants, the in-game market has been remarkably unaffected by all this.

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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I think this explains why fuel prices are going up - macros / RMT monkeys are/were a huge source of isotopes.

I hate RMT as much as the next guy, but I think it would be wise on CCP's part to look into the areas of the game that were heavily macro'd (such as the aforementioned ice mining) and find ways to make them more interesting so more people will do it legit.

*dusts off the Mackinaw*

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Look at Tritanium prices for example. Trit crashed! Why? I would think it would skyrocket though.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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I think this explains why fuel prices are going up - macros / RMT monkeys are/were a huge source of isotopes.

I hate RMT as much as the next guy, but I think it would be wise on CCP's part to look into the areas of the game that were heavily macro'd (such as the aforementioned ice mining) and find ways to make them more interesting so more people will do it legit.

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Originally by: Lialem

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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I think this explains why fuel prices are going up - macros / RMT monkeys are/were a huge source of isotopes.

I hate RMT as much as the next guy, but I think it would be wise on CCP's part to look into the areas of the game that were heavily macro'd (such as the aforementioned ice mining) and find ways to make them more interesting so more people will do it legit.

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Oh yeah because right now that every nooby alliance leader just spams pos for his alliance JUST BECAUSE FUELS ARE CHEAP is better? Some things SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND SHOULD BE EXPENSIVE cause that way some problems would never have become so big that need a game balancing to fix when the sole reason of them is isk sellers.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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In New Eden, EVE wins you.

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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I think this explains why fuel prices are going up - macros / RMT monkeys are/were a huge source of isotopes.

I hate RMT as much as the next guy, but I think it would be wise on CCP's part to look into the areas of the game that were heavily macro'd (such as the aforementioned ice mining) and find ways to make them more interesting so more people will do it legit.

*dusts off the Mackinaw*

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Aside from a few implants, the in-game market has been remarkably unaffected by all this.

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Well, some parts of the market were affected. I would LOVE to read from our good Dr.E. about that in the next QEN maybe.

Look at Tritanium prices for example. Trit crashed! Why? I would think it would skyrocket though.

Isoptope prices pretty much increased a lot, but that was to be expected with wiping out the macros.

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Originally by: Sir Muffoon

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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He is in a player corp, much bigger than mine, so I dont want a wardec to make it worse. Im considering using an alt to wardec or gank him. I just shouldnt have to. I should be able to report it, and CCP should investigate and ban.

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How do you know he's a macroer? Sounds like you're assuming alot, and you can't just assume things when you're talking about banning accounts.

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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Originally by: Sir Muffoon

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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He is in a player corp, much bigger than mine, so I dont want a wardec to make it worse. Im considering using an alt to wardec or gank him. I just shouldnt have to. I should be able to report it, and CCP should investigate and ban.

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How do you know he's a macroer? Sounds like you're assuming alot, and you can't just assume things when you're talking about banning accounts.

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Its not my first macro, and youll notice I said they should investigate, not just ban. CCP can better tell how long a person is on, and what theyre doing by logs. I simply observe and test. This person is simply too robotic to be a player. A lone hulk, mining till full, the docking, warping back ot a different belt, mining till full, then docking. On virtually all the time, been doing this for months. No other activity. I even saw their corp members in another belt mining with 2 retrievers and a hauler, yet this guy was still mining and docking. That makes no sense. Sure, you can come up with more excuses, but if it quacks like a duck...

Next step will be to bump them or gank them and see if they follow the same pattern.

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Originally by: Steve Thomas

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now if your serious about this could you divert some of that effort to cleaning up the bloody forums, I mean honestly the Keylogers are not even trying to hide by posting in legit threads with there links.

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Originally by: Cinori Aluben

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RAGE it up CCP! Fantastic job at cleaning up this game. We also acknowledge your small sacrifice in this cleanup: 9000 accounts x $15/mo = $135,000/mo, which is really no small sacrifice, so thanks a ton.

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Originally by: Aydjile

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hey ccp. you might want to consider rewarding pilots for finding RMT bots.
some isks, ship or blueprint copy could open a new fraction of zealos headhunters in new eden.

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Originally by: Morphisat

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What exactly (well without too much details ;)) do these macroers do that strains the servers so much ? Sending a lot of data to the server ?

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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About macro scammers, you know, the one that Chribba logged for one day in Jita local...

Please plan something tbh.

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Originally by: BlondieBC

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Originally by: Morphisat

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What exactly (well without too much details ;)) do these macroers do that strains the servers so much ? Sending a lot of data to the server ?

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As a guess, they constantly work. Many players spend a lot of time afk'ing and sitting in station chatting.

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Originally by: Thanasis Veggos

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Hello

I think CCP realises that the old players just love eve and show this with monthy support of real hard cash, in what is hard time for hard cash for all of us. I got a point to make about this. Well the following three:

1: One a sugestion, suspend the ability to trial accounts players to talk to others in local or via mail or else with anyone out of school chanels. If the isk sellers have to pay real money accounts to spam it will hurt them like hell.

2: Old players, trusted players on a tight leash should-could get the posibility (not with petition) to immediately ban an isk seller. If not ban at least by right clicking his post or mail or whatever directly link them to a GM. If such an action would be paidback (lets assume in LP) it would create an ongoing incentive.

3: Macro Miners, have a concord or customs ship fly to belts and project a series of numbers or letters on the player, the player should than type in the number or he would get after a few minutes striped from ore and ship. I suggest that there should be a time interval of two cycles so that anyone being afk has the chance to see what happened. If mining would be more interactive like scanning is it would automaticaly eliminate the macros i think.

Anyway, myself and others would not reply on this topic if we would not love eve. Thanks for your care and the great game you provide for us. We love you and we got the cash to prove it over and over for many more years.

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Originally by: Jerat

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Its all good,BUT a corpmeber of mine got Banned 14/8.
According to his angry post in our forum he got this msg:

"Reason: Account closed pending hacking investigation. Please contact customer support".

I dont know if it have anything to do with RMT
(he trades a lot to keep PvP going).
But are you making sure that innocent ppl dont get banned?
He sent a petition to CCP but is not getting any responce

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Originally by: HyperZerg

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It seems you only ban RMT related Marcos.

Do your ban other macro-user too ? Let's say the ones that jsut uses a bot to make ISK for themselvs only ?
Or are they not worth you attention because the generate you real money unlike RMT ?

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: CCP Fallout

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Rage. There is no better word to describe CCP's feelings towards RMT, and "unholy rage" is how we recently addressed the issue. GM Grimmi gives us the lowdown on what Unholy Rage was and how it addressed the supply of illegal ISK in his newest dev blog.

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Originally by: Knarfis

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There has to be an easy way to simply report these people without having to go through a lot of cut and pasting through the petition route. We all just simply click and block these people out. Is there a way to simply click and report the very same way in game?? I cant imagine how something like this wouldn't further help in your cause to rid us all of these individuals and there habits.

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Originally by: Orek Fear

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I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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That's really great, CCP. I might actually play more often since the farmers had been disrupting my gameplay for years.

But I have to ask why only now? We've been telling you everything you need to know about how to find and ban farmers for years now. There is no good reason why this couldn't have occured 3 years ago. EVE would have been a much better game if the farmers were never allowed to get that bad. Were the farmers giving CCP kickbacks for looking the other way and did CCP ask for more than they would hand out?

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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About macro scammers, you know, the one that Chribba logged for one day in Jita local...

Please plan something tbh.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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About macro scammers, you know, the one that Chribba logged for one day in Jita local...

Please plan something tbh.

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As I said elsewhere already, a (reasonable) fee for posting in local would help with that a lot.

It wouldn't hurt the normal person because they don't post that much. But it would cost macro spammers at least something.

For 0.0 the fee could be set (within reasonable amounts) by the sov holding alliance and they would get the money then.

But it looks that CCP has no plans into that direction.

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Originally by: CCP Fallout

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Rage. There is no better word to describe CCP's feelings towards RMT, and "unholy rage" is how we recently addressed the issue. GM Grimmi gives us the lowdown on what Unholy Rage was and how it addressed the supply of illegal ISK in his newest dev blog.

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Originally by: Jacharian

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This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.

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Originally by: OneT

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my 2 cents

digg but in reverse

basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report
with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.

when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick

this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.

the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.

alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.

so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned

you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)

anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL

Originally by: OneT

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my 2 cents

digg but in reverse

basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report
with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.

when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick

this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.

the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.

alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.

so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned

you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)

anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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So you fracked up my cheap implant market, banned few macroers and now your trying to look good? You know very well that they will be back and paying your new patch of accounts. You pretend you care your players when ISK sellers give 10% (according to your graphs) of your income.

How stupid you think we are?

You deserve nothing but slap in face for this operation .. you should have told us this before so we could have hoarded those cheap implants

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Originally by: Eddie Sleaze

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I whole heartily agree with the removal of bots and isk miners, I've even noticed (especially in the ice fields an noticeable drop in the macro mackinaws. However, I've also seen a darker side of this process. A friend of mine found that he had suddenly been relieved of a large portion of his items and isk, claiming that he had bought in game items with rw money. I know the guy personally and know that he wouldn't have ever have engaged in such activity as he took too much pride in both his own character (RW) as well as the characters he created in game. He worked hard researching all things eve and had 4 active accounts. The only thing we could figure is someone falsely petitioned him and that was good enough for ccp. If they had examined his journals/transactions they'd have seen he was just playing the game well, very well. He placed a petition but decided to leave the game shortly after.. It's made it Eve and emptier place for the friends he made there. Meanwhile I keep seeing isk spammers in local.

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Originally by: Grez

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Originally by: Eddie Sleaze

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I whole heartily agree with the removal of bots and isk miners, I've even noticed (especially in the ice fields an noticeable drop in the macro mackinaws. However, I've also seen a darker side of this process. A friend of mine found that he had suddenly been relieved of a large portion of his items and isk, claiming that he had bought in game items with rw money. I know the guy personally and know that he wouldn't have ever have engaged in such activity as he took too much pride in both his own character (RW) as well as the characters he created in game. He worked hard researching all things eve and had 4 active accounts. The only thing we could figure is someone falsely petitioned him and that was good enough for ccp. If they had examined his journals/transactions they'd have seen he was just playing the game well, very well. He placed a petition but decided to leave the game shortly after.. It's made it Eve and emptier place for the friends he made there. Meanwhile I keep seeing isk spammers in local.

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Your friend lied to you.

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Originally by: Ockedof Ukack

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That sounds an awful lot like how I mine, but then again I have to deal with people who get thier kicks off of stealing my cans. so what if his corpmates were mining like that some people dont like to share thier profits with their corps so. based on the gank thing It sounds like your the type of person that makes it so I actually have to drop off each load of ore instead of jetcanning. however the on all the time thing thats a whole nother matter. Then again I am on 8-16 hours a day

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Originally by: Nidhiesk

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shouldn't we need a permanent team to rid of this. I get the feeling this was only a temporary team that took care of the problem and now they went on their usual business.

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Originally by: Amerilia

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Since exactly 22nd june tritanium prices fell like crazy.. veldspar lost its worth...

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Originally by: Cire XIII

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Edited by: Cire XIII on 17/08/2009 18:07:57
Very well written and delivered Grimmi. I have definitely noticed fewer macroratters in 0.0, and those that are found, and petitioned, are quickly 'gone'.

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Originally by: CCP Diagoras

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If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.

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Originally by: Freibuis

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* Plex Prices are expected to rise

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Originally by: Nodalise Hurt

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took you like 3 years to resolve this issue, way to go.

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Originally by: Carcosa Hali

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You scrapped $138,000 of monthly income just to waste these guys. There oughta be a medal for things like this..

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#1. Give players a way to track down safespotted and cloaked people (Perhaps a special probe that is only usable at astrometrics 5). This will allow us the players to remove these random 0.0 ratters from our space. As well as making titans no longer invulnerable to attack. While still allowing cloaking to be a viable option.

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#3. Make ice generate much more units when mined, and then make it randomly shatter and do damage to ships. (This will stop the massive pile of afk miners in high sec).

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#4. Increase the amount of trit yielded from veldspar.

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#5. Focus on punishing the people using exploits to make isk, rather than the people that play the game "23/7".

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#6. Lower the cost of "PLEX" cards, so that it's in line with the cost of purchasing it illegally.

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Originally by: Kassimila

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#6. Lower the cost of "PLEX" cards, so that it's in line with the cost of purchasing it illegally.

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Originally by: Joe Everyguy

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Originally by: CCP Diagoras

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If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.

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All I get from this is "We'll look into it" and nothing becomes of it. Javerendi is still a festering hive of macro users.

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Originally by: Plague Black

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CCP you are dinosaurs. You can fight it all you want but it will be like trying to prevent a tsunami bursting trough sand dam by using 3 children spatulas and 145gr of cotton.

You can freely allow real cash economy in EVE as having tons of isk means absolutely nothing if you don't have the skills to back it up. And if you have the skills then you don't need to buy isk as you will be making it with ease ingame.

I want rich people to come into my space in their t3 ships, fresh out of ebay, so I kill them using T1 cruisers. And I don't mind macro farmers feeding their kids by selling isk in some backwater country, it's 100x better then pickpocketing or knifing rich tourists.

"Unholy rage" is just another codename for "We have no clue about the future". People will keep putting "illegal" isk in this game regardless of how much of your nerd rage is invested into banning them. You should focus on making EVE a better game instead. But then again you can't help it as you don't know better, I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.

I'm also not surprised that you have so much nerd support in this thread, as if brown-nosing CCP ever did something good for anyone in this game. All people cheering your efforts to band some macro losers are as clueless as you are.

Sometimes I wonder how you made this beautiful game, you keep displaying basic business incompetence ever since EVE went live. I guess the beast was set free and lives despite your "efforts" to kill it because so many of us just love living in EVE universe. But I'm warning you, nothing lasts forever, you will have to face your ****ty moves sooner or later.

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Originally by: CCP Diagoras

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Originally by: Nidhiesk

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shouldn't we need a permanent team to rid of this. I get the feeling this was only a temporary team that took care of the problem and now they went on their usual business.

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I can assure you that we are still working on this, don't worry about that.

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Originally by: Brendana Fortescue

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Your alt account got banned?

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Quote:

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This will not be possible without help from you, the players. The demand for ISK is what keeps the RMT element alive. They'll keep coming back as long as players are willing to do business with them. We realize that the demand for ISK will not go away and we offer an alternative.

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Originally by: CCP Diagoras

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Our policies prevent us from disclosing any action we take when we receive reports such as this. I can however assure you that all reports we receive are taken seriously and looked into.

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Originally by: Plague Black

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What makes me sad panda is that some of our enemies ran out outside fundings so we are lacking targets. I miss killing ebay dreads or ships bought with isk generated by selling stuff made using bpos that developers awarded to themselves.

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Quote:

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may god stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas.

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ

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Awesome sauce. Great job.


Curious about trade volume (EVE economy is just HUGE), the billions are international system (10^12) or 'american' billions (10^9)?

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Billions are 10^9 in most places, including Iceland.

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Originally by: Professor Slocombe

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I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.

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Originally by: Kassimila

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I'm not talking about lowering the ISK cost of a plex card. I'm talking about lowering the real money cost of purchasing them. They currently cost more than a standard subscription.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: Gunsnroses

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I will tell you what RAGE is.

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Originally by: Plague Black

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CCP you are dinosaurs. You can fight it all you want but it will be like trying to prevent a tsunami bursting trough sand dam by using 3 children spatulas and 145gr of cotton.

You can freely allow real cash economy in EVE as having tons of isk means absolutely nothing if you don't have the skills to back it up. And if you have the skills then you don't need to buy isk as you will be making it with ease ingame.

I want rich people to come into my space in their t3 ships, fresh out of ebay, so I kill them using T1 cruisers. And I don't mind macro farmers feeding their kids by selling isk in some backwater country, it's 100x better then pickpocketing or knifing rich tourists.

"Unholy rage" is just another codename for "We have no clue about the future". People will keep putting "illegal" isk in this game regardless of how much of your nerd rage is invested into banning them. You should focus on making EVE a better game instead. But then again you can't help it as you don't know better, I guess you will just have to learn the hard way.

I'm also not surprised that you have so much nerd support in this thread, as if brown-nosing CCP ever did something good for anyone in this game. All people cheering your efforts to band some macro losers are as clueless as you are.

Sometimes I wonder how you made this beautiful game, you keep displaying basic business incompetence ever since EVE went live. I guess the beast was set free and lives despite your "efforts" to kill it because so many of us just love living in EVE universe. But I'm warning you, nothing lasts forever, you will have to face your ****ty moves sooner or later.

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Originally by: Rylert

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It was really quite amazing to see the dramatic effect on the CPU usage. Well done CCP. Some MMO companies are afraid to do what is necessary. Not you. Cheers!

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Originally by: Plague Black

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I have no alts, I have b4llz to post as well as shoot with my main unlike 99% of EVE population or yourself.

What makes me sad panda is that some of our enemies ran out outside fundings so we are lacking targets. I miss killing ebay dreads or ships bought with isk generated by selling stuff made using bpos that developers awarded to themselves.

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Originally by: CCP Diagoras

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If you do encounter any characters you believe to be involved in RMT or macro use, please make sure you contact the GM team as soon as possible through the EULA & Terms of Service section of the petition system with any information you have.

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Originally by: Mr Xanatos

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How about an option to right click on a user in local/space and select "I think this is an ISK trader/macrominer". That would link straight to your GM's and build up a nice little database instead of people having to fill in forms. You'd get a much more involved player base with this, an extra 40k+ set of eyes would go a long way to getting rid of these pests.

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Originally by: OneT

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my 2 cents

digg but in reverse

basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report
with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.

when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick

this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.

the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.

alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.

so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned

you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)

anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out.

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Originally by: Skandrannon22

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To Huberek Morchu - I find it fun to hop in an interceptor and slap in a MWD, and ram hulks who macro mine / hulks who come into a full belt and _have_ to hit the same rocks as me.

There's no quick way to fix that, and all said and done, you've just ****ed 'em off and cost 5 mins of warping. And if it is a macro miner, hopefully you throw off their macro for a bit.
-Skan

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Originally by: KahnShapir

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Yes I like what they have done; when I tried to mine, the belts were largely depleted, sometimes there wasn't even a single rock left. The only way to get a decent mining op was to do a mission, then mine the rocks, or go to a system with poor stations. Now there are Lots of rocks everywhere. I have yet to run into a depleted belt.

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Originally by: KahnShapir

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I run 2 accounts, and have on occasion transferred 500m ISK from one account to another. I did not hear from CCP at all over this, so they must know what they are doing.

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Originally by: Roguehalo

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Can you nano Titans?

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Originally by: k'tol

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I'm confused. Can't have real money flowing into the game, that's immoral Joe. Bad Joe! But you can buy PLEX with real money from CCP and sell them ingame. I don't see the difference there.

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Originally by: Sweet Yoni

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Question: When 6200 accounts get banned why do i still see roughly the same average accounts online? Come on.. 6200 accounts should make a real difference here!

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Originally by: Artora

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Hey any forward progress is better than nothing. Yeah they might get banned and come back, but it's a continious process. They lose their Hulk account then go right back to forums and buy another one to replace it. CCP have to understand that a couple of billion ISK for a new mining account is nothing to these macro'ers since they farm by the billions every hour.

I've been with this game from the start and as it gets bigger there will be more problems, as long as CCP acknowledges and look for newer ways of dealing with this issue the game will continue to grow. When they stop that is when it will all fall apart. Remember Earth & Beyond shut down in 2004 because lack of content and self policing of problems, ddon't let it happen to this game too.

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