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Diashi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:00:00 -
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So the Alliance that sells the most GTC's gets to pay for the mercs on the ground?
Hmmm....
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Jamus Duran
The 5th Column
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jamus Duran on 18/08/2009 17:02:32
I think this could be, and most probably will be, the best thing to happen to Eve in recent times. For this old timer, the game was starting to get a bit stagnant but this has definitely re-ignited my enthusiasm for the Eve universe. I applaud you CCP (for a change).
I hope we will see more interactivity between the platforms though, other than just Sov mechanics. Trading items via contracts that kick in during DT would be nice. Surely you could arrange some kind of data xfer between servers for that stuff. Maybe give the Dust guys some implant inventing and manufacturing abilities that the space guys don't have.
EDIT: Has anyone worked out the significance of the number 514 yet btw?
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:08:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Zastrow J
I fail to see how taking sovereignty out of our hands enhances our Eve experience. I need to see more details. I guessing this probably only affects factional warfare, but I have no basis for this, it's just pure speculation.
u worried?
I dunno why I would be worried but have the rest of you stopped to consider what could happen with a big ass Dust 514 Goonsquad on our side?
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Jamus Duran
The 5th Column
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow J
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Zastrow J
I fail to see how taking sovereignty out of our hands enhances our Eve experience. I need to see more details. I guessing this probably only affects factional warfare, but I have no basis for this, it's just pure speculation.
u worried?
I dunno why I would be worried but have the rest of you stopped to consider what could happen with a big ass Dust 514 Goonsquad on our side?
Yeah. The server will lag due to all the smack talk in local.
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow J
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Zastrow J
I fail to see how taking sovereignty out of our hands enhances our Eve experience. I need to see more details. I guessing this probably only affects factional warfare, but I have no basis for this, it's just pure speculation.
u worried?
I dunno why I would be worried but have the rest of you stopped to consider what could happen with a big ass Dust 514 Goonsquad on our side?
Yes. I would have gotten to 10th prestige and golden AK-47 in half the time  . Someone has brought up a good point about maps. Id imagine there has to be dozens with many variations since elements are going to be a factor. Also a solid definition of habitable would be nice.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow J
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Zastrow J
I fail to see how taking sovereignty out of our hands enhances our Eve experience. I need to see more details. I guessing this probably only affects factional warfare, but I have no basis for this, it's just pure speculation.
u worried?
I dunno why I would be worried but have the rest of you stopped to consider what could happen with a big ass Dust 514 Goonsquad on our side?
Not sure how much meta gamming will work in a FPS game so...
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pohbis on 18/08/2009 17:20:29
WTB atmospheric flight, Ambulation and WoD...
... oh wait, nevermind 
*realedit*
The day that a console game dictates the SOV in EVE, is the day EVE finally WILL begin to die 
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shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Total Disaster
Edited by: Total Disaster on 18/08/2009 13:58:43
so basically we can start dismantling all our POS because a FPS alliance of 13 years old hyperactive kiddos gonna own us all?
Quoted for the truth what a load of *******s this idea is.
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Grumples McGee
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:24:00 -
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Ideally, CCP should have some way to quickly develop tens of thousands of maps.
Just like every system is unique, so should ever planet be unique. Jita isn't just "System Layout #4 of 12" with the layout repeated all over the place. It's unique. It uses the same elements as every other map but the actual layout is unique (and probably randomly generated when the game was first being developed -- I doubt anyone hand crafted all of the EVE systems).
Terrain generators are old news, so that is doable.
Structures within the map may be part of a limited set (just as starbase designs are part of a limited set) but if the terrain is different on every planet, that could be worth something. There would be no "favorite map".
I'll be surprised if Goonswarm has a big advantage other than the ability to fight on 15 fronts at once. I would still expect a single planetary battle to be very contained. 40 vs 40? 20 vs 20? Consoles aren't going to handle 961 vs 20.
The big question I have is how these battles get setup.
I also want to know why EVE players will care about planetary takeovers. I assume planetary ownership will mean something other than just another SOV source.
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:25:00 -
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It looks like a tech3 cruiser and a megathron battleship in that video. 
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:31:00 -
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Bottom line is all we can do is speculate to the infinate fold on how it will be in the end. We should just wait for more details to be released from CCP on how deeep of an affect on EVE this will have.
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:38:00 -
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Regardless of how it effects eve, introducting such networked contexts across multiple games should win somone at CCP a PhD if not a nobel prize for pwnage. This is a fantastic idea, i dont even think theres a word for it yet, and to my mind i cant recall it being done before.
It could all go very very wrong, but the idea in and of itself is probably the best thing to happen to gaming in a long while.
so... if my 7th gen malcavian sucessfully kills a warewolf i get moongold right? :P
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Pohbis on 18/08/2009 17:44:51
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Bottom line is all we can do is speculate to the infinate fold on how it will be in the end. We should just wait for more details to be released from CCP on how deeep of an affect on EVE this will have.
No need to. It's clearly an elaborate hoax.
Planets in EVE don't look like this 
Thing is, the concept of an FPS-expansion for planetary control is sound, tie it to SOV which is the most horrible dull logistics nightmare currently? Great!
Releasing it only to a target-group which couldn't be further from the one currently playing EVE, spreadsheet in space... horrible fail. For the current SOV holders AND the Dust players.
Hilmar said it himself, those are living-room players. They'll want tangible rewards in THEIR game. Not some pseudo-SOV in a game their geeky older brother plays in the basement
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:53:00 -
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Fair points. At least you backed off your OMGEVEIZDOOMED!1 of your earlier post. I would imagine the interaction between the two will be limited at first, tweaked, and then ramped up on later realeases. I still dont understand the whole 13 year old deciding sov point. I never have really. If its in regards to the 9 year old playing COD4 screaming racial remarks into your headset, then you havent seen goon forums. I believe thats pot & kettle syndrome.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:09:00 -
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This will certainly even up the odds a bit... Considering my FPS experience... you are looking at what... 16 vs 16 or 32 vs 32 tops for each match in a FPS... plus... It will be up to the individual skill of these players versus the tactics in EVE... so Goons can have at it... So if I get this right... The player corps can basically create the matches... by putting up the ISK and the Materials... and the FPS players log in and scroll through the available contracts... or missions... and choose them that way... So some huge carebear alliance could affect SOV in Delve... or the Dronelands... and never set foot out of High Sec.... I am loving this already... not that I am a carebear... 
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Lucias Trask
The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:16:00 -
[46]
I posted this in COAD, but here it is in the real thread as well
I hope they implement Titans able to DDD planets.
Then the DustBunnies will be able to know whats it like to eat Doomsday.
I cannot see PL and Goons not just running around DDDing planets during their bored time when they know DustBunnies are fighting down there.
IMPLEMENT PLANET DOOMSDAYS CCP!!!
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Lucias Trask
The White Aces
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:17:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Zastrow J
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Zastrow J
I fail to see how taking sovereignty out of our hands enhances our Eve experience. I need to see more details. I guessing this probably only affects factional warfare, but I have no basis for this, it's just pure speculation.
u worried?
I dunno why I would be worried but have the rest of you stopped to consider what could happen with a big ass Dust 514 Goonsquad on our side?
Can I be in the Goonsquad? No really can I?
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Atropos Kahn
This will certainly even up the odds a bit... Considering my FPS experience... you are looking at what... 16 vs 16 or 32 vs 32 tops for each match in a FPS... plus... It will be up to the individual skill of these players versus the tactics in EVE... so Goons can have at it... So if I get this right... The player corps can basically create the matches... by putting up the ISK and the Materials... and the FPS players log in and scroll through the available contracts... or missions... and choose them that way... So some huge carebear alliance could affect SOV in Delve... or the Dronelands... and never set foot out of High Sec.... I am loving this already... not that I am a carebear...
love your sig 
but yeah, thats why the goons csm guys are crying about. who knows what it will all be like when its all said and done though. anyone know like when this game comes out??
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Moloc's
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:22:00 -
[49]
I used to play Planetside. It was the first "mmofps" ever. (It still exists). It had battles of say 250 vs 250 (Potentially with more, with the pain of lag ofc) with vehicles, aircraft and footsoldiers in a grand scheme. It was fantastic, and very different from the pure twich-skill fps games with limits of 32 players, like Battlefield etc. The strategy of battles was superior by far. It also had, like eve, a large connected world. It did have seperate american en eu-based serverclusters, but apart from that. One world.
The playerbase had alot more mature players, like Eve. What made me quit the game, was that instead of adding playercreated goals and rewards at a strategic level, which the game sorely needed, they added giant walking robots.
If this "mmofps" becomes anything like Planetside, it will have a humongous advantage with the obvious playerdriven strategy and rewards from sov-warfare in Eve. Its a great idea, and I hope CCP can pull it off.
"mmofps" chew on that concept.
As for the fears of the implications this will have for Eve. I share them all.
1. Painfully built up alliances with sov space, snatched out of our hands by 13 year old brats.
2. Extremely large DUST alliances aligned with a large Eve alliance, making it impossible to win sov-warfare against them. Even if you are ever so 1337 at internet spaceship strategy. I dont care what kind of mechanics they put into it. The metagaming world will ensure strong alignment between certain alliances will be possible.
Hopefully the "integration" between the two games will be carefully and slowly done to ensure we maintain a certain "balance"
3. Cconsoles? WTF?!!! I hate consoles. Consoles are for brats!
Sure, kiddies want consoles. But the kind of player that goes for an mmofps? I am not so sure. If this becomes a success though, a hardcore pc-gamer like myself, might eventually succumb and end up getting a console anyways. That would be a huge win for CCP and their "consolepartner" if there are enough people like me around.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:27:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Moloc's
1. Painfully built up alliances with sov space, snatched out of our hands by 13 year old brats.
Already happened right?
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Pasen Haas
Easter Corporation
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:34:00 -
[51]
That's a pretty blatant misrepresentation of the problem. No one has much of an issue with 13-year-old brats snatching sovereign space. What's ****ing everyone off is the idea that people who AREN'T PLAYING EVE can snatch sovereign space. And if you're not paying enough ISK, you can't do jack about it.
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Black Singularity
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:49:00 -
[52]
wow, please port this to the PC. im not getting a ****in console :(
can we have a linked subscription payed with plexes too? ;)
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Moloc's
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:56:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Pasen Haas
That's a pretty blatant misrepresentation of the problem. No one has much of an issue with 13-year-old brats snatching sovereign space. What's ****ing everyone off is the idea that people who AREN'T PLAYING EVE can snatch sovereign space. And if you're not paying enough ISK, you can't do jack about it.
You are right of course. The "13 year old brat" is not really the point. Lets call them "Players who are not playing Eve" And yeah, without enough ISK or even if the metaworld goes to it worst; RL-money, its gonna be a bad thing.
Still, the ISK-problem is here today already. Without ISK you cant replace your fleets. And even today we see allegations of huge RL-money sums interacting with Eve through various means. Like a certain "aluminum tychoon" people keep referring too, with his several bought titans etc. Hopefully CCP can manage to balance this.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:15:00 -
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Cut/Paste from CAOD:
Dust looks and sounds fantastic, right up to the point he says an FPS will determine SOV in EVE. I know the kind of people who play console FPS games and I have no desire to interact with them in any way, much less in Eve. This great looking game sounds like it will be the worst thing CCP has done to Eve since I started playing 3 years ago.
To CCP: Planetary control and planet based sov is what many players want but not like this! Eve players and only Eve players should determine what territory they control.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Atropos Kahn on 18/08/2009 19:34:28
My interpretation is that the MMO players will create the "missions/maps", while the FPS players will choose what "missions/maps" they want to play... regardless of what the MMO people want....
Sort of like any FPS today... you scroll down a list of servers... and you choose something that looks good to you...Only this list would display diffent SYSTEMS, followed by type of map... The map may be tied to a mechanic in the MMO... like shutting down the CYNO JAMMER.. the FPS players dont care abou the MMO... they just want to complete the map...
Or maybe I have it completely wrong... I think that the systems will be separate enough so that the FPS players are not muddled with MMO politics... They are there just to fight.
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Grumples McGee
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols
To CCP: Planetary control and planet based sov is what many players want but not like this! Eve players and only Eve players should determine what territory they control.
The thing you're not getting is that DUST is a subset of EVE.
All those DUST players will, in fact, be EVE players. They are in the EVE universe fighting for EVE planets and EVE goals. So EVE players will determine system ownership, but they might be doing it partially through DUST.
However:
* Far more sensible would be that owning a planet trumps owning a large POS.
* Whoever controls the most planets gains SOV.
* Attacks on planets (via DUST) would have to be started via EVE, perhaps by literally dropping troops onto the planet (e.g., you buy "2000 marines" and then drop them. If the enemy has also dropped marines then the planet shows up in DUST as an available battlefield. Perhaps it's 20 vs 20 but your side has 2000 spawns and the enemy has however many spawns they dropped.)
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:47:00 -
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This is chuckletastic.
Might even buy an Xbox to give this a go.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:54:00 -
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Couldnt have said it better Grumples. This isnt "other people deciding eve." These are new EVE players. Basically EVE as a brand is expanding and branching out incorporating a new dynamic and introducing to millions. The aproach that your being encroached on is assinine as they are just bumping the player base and introducing new content. relax... |
Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:02:00 -
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The real questions are can they pull it off and what the final game mechanics include that cross over between our game and Dust. Assuming they can implement a planetary control via Dust the real question is why do it? Why give a whole other community on a completely different platform any power in a game that people have spent years building? Why leave the PC/Mac users out in the cold, if that is your intentions?
No doubt CCP has some very ambitious ideas but at what point do the players and the media begin to simply ignore them? Atmospheric Flight in my mind would've been a great way to establish planetary control. Walking In Stations a place to build storefronts & introduce avatars. Since AF is dead in the water and WIS is in a dead zone regarding any new information we get this "NEW" project but wait, it DOSN"T INCLUDE US unless we own a console. I don't know about the rest of you but anyone who has spent time on Xbox LIVE likes the idea of ANY type of influence from that community into this one needs their head checked.
I love you CCP but when you want to share these ambitious plans you do at some point need to deliver on them and not just show your amazing ability to market ideas.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:10:00 -
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Uh.. you can call it whatever you want. You are technically correct that Dust is Eve but I think you know what I mean.
When I say "Eve" I mean the game I am paying for right now, the one that takes place out in space. My feeling is that the space an alliance owns should be determined only by the efforts of the players in that alliance. Just to be clear I mean players in space ships not players carrying assault rifles.
Again I think Dust could be really cool but CCP needs to be very careful about how much influence the game has on Eve. Letting Dust players attack specific targets on planets and in stations could be interesting but Sov being determined by who can hire the most console players to do the fighting? No thank you.
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