Anyone aiding a pirate gets gcc. If a pirate takes a ship out of an orca it can be attacked just like the pirate can be. No warping to gates or docking for 15 minutes. Just like a remote repper gets in trouble so should a orca for suppling the ship to a pirate.

Total sandbox mmo, CCP will do nothing.

Other side is new players that have little ISK get a new mining ship.

*GANKED* and now they are distressed and quit Eve.

Eve already has issue with low numbers of new users.

So basically YES is fun to gank and pop ships, down side is without new players and ganked players leaving, Eve slowly withers and dies.

GCC in HS = Concord. Do you really want to be CONCORDED every time you spit your Hulk out of your Orca?

I said same mechanic as a remote rep. If a remote repper reps a pirate what happens? It wont affect me cause i won't be aiding a pirate. Whatever no concord just able to be attacked for 15 minutes. Mind is on low sec lol.

The ganker loses a ship & it's mods, whatever resides in the cargohold, sec status, gains a 15 minute GCC timer, can be shot by anyone for the duration & receives no insurance payout. Can you really say the penalties are too low?

Yet all of those negatives are of little to no consequence to the ganker.

Taking all of those into consideration, the ganker has made a cost/benefit analysis and made a conscious decision that their course of action is of greater benefit than cost to them.

Yet all of those negatives are of no to little consequence to the ganker.

If the ganker had any regard for the ship they were flying, their security status, GCC timer, no insurance payout, then...

They wouldn't do it.

Taking all of those into consideration, the ganker has made a cost/benefit analysis and made a conscious decision that their course of action is of greater benefit than cost to them.

Repping an Outlaw gives you an aggression timer for 15m. It doesn't stop you from warping or docking, it just lets anyone shoot you in the next 15m. Since gankers jet the destroyers at safespots, this would have no effect.

Repping someone who's GCC gets you GCC and thus Concorded.

All of that is moot since nobody actually has to board the ship from the hangar. The orca can just jettison the destroyer, then the ganker board it.

Either the Orca gets a criminal aggro timer every time it jettisons a ship (meaning anyone can tackle and kill your orca if you jet a hulk), or your proposal will not affect gankers at all (it won't either way, but the first one at least gives the ganker's orca an aggro timer)


Are Miners in HS really this clueless about the mechanics of the game they play?

Taking all of those into consideration, the ganker has made a cost/benefit analysis and made a conscious decision that their course of action is of greater benefit than cost to them..

Imposing stiffer penalties doesn't really do much to lower crime rates. But ultimately it's all dumb logic because you are thinking in real life terms. This is a game: The only risk at any point in time ever to me as a PVP/GANK/SUPERGRIEFER pilot is that my time is wasted, assuming that's what my goals are (They aren't, I play eve for the Empire building and the giant space battles like in starwars only with slightly worse art design).

A great example would be the Burn Jita freighter interdiction: A lot of people thought we were making money off of that.

We weren't. Oh a few goons may have become independently wealthy from it due to market speculation and scooping the right thing at the right time, but as an alliance, it cost a lot more money than it brought in. The net payout to the organization was in entertainment. The fleets that came to fight us were fun, the freighters that came to blow up were also fun.

So when factoring in your equations don't forget to also toss in entertainment value for the person perpetuating the deed.

Acutally no i don't know how a ganker does his thing, i don't do it. I know i can right click a orca open ship hanger and hit board ship on one of the ships and the ship pops out and i get in it. So yeah i know how a orca works but i don't know how you guys gank. Did not think about jetting the ship out so i admit was a bad idea. I know mechanics but not how the the gankers do thier thing.

Yet all of those negatives are of little to no consequence to the ganker.

Taking all of those into consideration, the ganker has made a cost/benefit analysis and made a conscious decision that their course of action is of greater benefit than cost to them.

If the ganker had any regard for the ship they were flying, their security status, GCC timer, no insurance payout, then...

They wouldn't do it.

Many posts are appearing of late asking if the penalty for suicide-ganking is too low. From the gankees point of view, it probably is. They lost a ship. I will now put to you the other side of the argument.
Suicide-gankers blow people up for many reasons. It may be for profit, in response to a player event or in many cases, they do it simply because it's fun[ny]. Now lets talk about penalties.

The gankee loses a ship & it's mods, plus whatever else resides in the cargohold.
The ganker loses a ship & it's mods, whatever resides in the cargohold, sec status, gains a 15 minute GCC timer, can be shot by anyone for the duration & receives no insurance payout. Can you really say the penalties are too low?

Eve is supposed to be cold and heartless as per mittens and his rants on ten ton hammer

Therefore, the cost to gankers is not high enough.

This is a matter of penalties, not cost.

A penalty is a type of cost.

cost (k+¦st):

n.
2. The expenditure of something, such as time or labor, necessary for the attainment of a goal.
It was necessary for Hank to expend hard-earned security standing to attain his goal of suicide ganking that ship.

v.intr.
To require a specified payment, expenditure, effort, or loss.
By suicide ganking, Hank will lose security standing.

v.tr.
2. To cause to lose, suffer, or sacrifice.
The act of suicide ganking cost Hank 0.1 points of security standing.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cost

Main Entry:penalty GÇé[pen-l-tee] Show IPA
Part of Speech:noun
Definition:punishment
Synonyms:amends, amercement, cost, damages, disadvantage, discipline, dues, fall, fine, forfeit, forfeiture, handicap, mortification, mulct, price, rap, retribution

http://thesaurus.com/browse/penalty?s=t

And a penalty, by definition, is a type of cost. Like an orange is a fruit, or a dog is a mammal, or the Sun is a star.

That drunken hookup with that sorority girl cost me my marriage.

My divorce cost me the house, my convertible, and my credit rating.

Hooked up with many-a-sorority girl, never been married, fortunately.

The "art" of ganking.