Ganking isn't as easy as one may think. Don't forget the victim only sees the epitome of the gank; that final 10 seconds climax of work the ganker had to do. One mistake, and the gank will fail.

A successful gank takes a good amount of preparation, scouting, logistics and tactical positioning. On top of that there are factors which the ganker can never be 100% sure of such as skills trained.

The "art" of ganking relies on figuring out the cheapest setup(s) for the gank.

Ganking actually takes more work than gate camping, unless you plan to overkill. The best gankers do not overkill and are ready to get the occasional failed gank.

And tbh, all crap about miners can defend themselves against gankers is utter bullshit.

The main problem in this whole debate seems to be that there is little or no control on the recycling of characters because their security status is to low
EULA clearly states that the repeated recycling of characters due to low security status is seen as a exploit by ccp
It only takes a relative short time to train for a dedicated suicide pilot even so shorter than trying to recover your security status thru grinding belt rats in low or 0.0 sec, second also takes effort something these griefers tend to avoid at all cost , effort

CCP been so transfixed on finding rmt traders and bots , rightly so, that they have little or norescources left to check all the characters being recycled

so ppeople are fully abusing the recycling of characters who s sec status be ame so low due to suicideganking that they can t even enter high sec anymore

Better and more control will go a long way

Most dedicated gankers don't bother recycling alts. Especially since CCP bans people pretty quick if they biomass too soon after a gank.

you might not but there are plenty out there who do and even boast about it and they getting away with it somehow

True indeed for a older more experienced pilot ,but this generation of newplayers don t like effort
Also i think there is nothing wrong with suicide tactics , only thing wrong is this whole campaign with the goal to ruin the game and eventually force a large group [i even dare to say the large majority) of players out of the game

there one you forgot that no one trys to use.

U get ganked you have KILL RIGHTS on the S.O.B that gank you hunt him down and killem for crying out loud then he has a double loss.

Many posts are appearing of late asking if the penalty for suicide-ganking is too low. From the gankees point of view, it probably is. They lost a ship. I will now put to you the other side of the argument.
Suicide-gankers blow people up for many reasons. It may be for profit, in response to a player event or in many cases, they do it simply because it's fun[ny]. Now lets talk about penalties.

The gankee loses a ship & it's mods, plus whatever else resides in the cargohold.
The ganker loses a ship & it's mods, whatever resides in the cargohold, sec status, gains a 15 minute GCC timer, can be shot by anyone for the duration & receives no insurance payout.

Can you really say the penalties are too low?

there one you forgot that no one trys to use.

U get ganked you have KILL RIGHTS on the S.O.B that gank you hunt him down and killem for crying out loud then he has a double loss.

Some people lie. Even when they're boasting.

Many posts are appearing of late asking if the penalty for suicide-ganking is too low. From the gankees point of view, it probably is. They lost a ship. I will now put to you the other side of the argument.
Suicide-gankers blow people up for many reasons. It may be for profit, in response to a player event or in many cases, they do it simply because it's fun[ny]. Now lets talk about penalties.

The gankee loses a ship & it's mods, plus whatever else resides in the cargohold.
The ganker loses a ship & it's mods, whatever resides in the cargohold, sec status, gains a 15 minute GCC timer, can be shot by anyone for the duration & receives no insurance payout. Can you really say the penalties are too low?

They are.

The SS penalty should be higher and farming SS back shouldn't be the joke it is but an extreme and tedious work to achieve opposed to how hard it is to gank someone, but CCP and common sense are two different things

If you want to shoot whatever with no consequences you should go to null, thing is that you need some brains to go there and do stuff while high sec ganking is a no brains stuff and this is what real Eve is about.

Here's how to populate low/null sec, revert SS and concord presence in between actual SS systems/zones.

They are.

The SS penalty should be higher and farming SS back shouldn't be the joke it is but an extreme and tedious work to achieve opposed to how hard it is to gank someone, but CCP and common sense are two different things

If you want to shoot whatever with no consequences you should go to null, thing is that you need some brains to go there and do stuff while high sec ganking is a no brains stuff and this is what real Eve is about.

Here's how to populate low/null sec, revert SS and concord presence in between actual SS systems/zones.

They are.

The SS penalty should be higher and farming SS back shouldn't be the joke it is but an extreme and tedious work to achieve opposed to how hard it is to gank someone, but CCP and common sense are two different things

If you want to shoot whatever with no consequences you should go to null, thing is that you need some brains to go there and do stuff while high sec ganking is a no brains stuff and this is what real Eve is about.

Here's how to populate low/null sec, revert SS and concord presence in between actual SS systems/zones.

The fact that suic ganking is so prevalent suggests that the penalty is too low. Continue to fix the loopholes and increase the penalty. At present, committing a space "felony" in hisec is equivalent to getting a parking ticket and ignoring it.

Does your Car get blown up by the Police when you ignore a parking ticket? If so, where do you live, I want to visit.

The penaties you recieve for repeated ganking or just ganking are the most balanced in the whole game.

Its just risk vs reward. Exhumer pilots want more reward so they go mine in there hulk, the hulk is worth ganking so up goes the pilots risk.

If you want a safer life ask for less reward mine in a covetor or a Battleship.

I don't mine in the first place

The main difference between you and me is that I decided to go there were real stuff happens, where risk vs reward means something, while you keep putting words you have no clue about and come out with speeches how your internet life is so awesome.

You should go live in null, there are plenty of targets out there, but I guess you rather dock asap as soon as a cloaky stuff appears in your local.

Go play on your sandbox with your 10 YO friendies and move on to null if someday you grow a pair

Sometimes you need a break from HIGH DRAMALAMA pvp and just want to shoot something. Having a gank alt doesn't mean you don't do conventional pvp.

Sometimes you need a break from HIGH DRAMALAMA pvp...

i'm sorry but this is hard to believe in. It's like professional boxer will go and beat to death little child on the street just to "get a break and just shoot something". Either you a warrior or "bad boy"....

What creates all that drama you feel the need to take a break from?

Wouldn't be "risk", would it?

It's a monetary loss, but some people like to argue in terms of utility - the satisfaction a ganker receives from ganking - which is immeasurable. Abstract concept gain outweighs quantifiable ISK loss... right. It does, to some extent, which is why ganking occurs at all, but it's no way to make an argument about changing game mechanics.

Its not a loss its a calculated expense

I was unaware that actually tanking an Exhumer instead of going for max cargo/max yield & staying aligned was utter bullshit.

Thank you for bringing this up.