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My Jebus
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:34:00 -
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The only explanation for your obsession with this stupid idea is that you must be a 40 year old virgin. All that pent up misdirected rage.
Tell you what, take like $1000 of the $20-$30 million you will need to build this disaster and get yourself a hooker. I guarantee, 2 minutes, you blow your load for the first time in a real woman, and you will look back at this idea and think to yourself, "What the hell was I thinking?"
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:56:00 -
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The only morons in this thread are the people feeding this foolish troll for 6 pages.
If you're going to make a yacht rokh, do it. But you sound like an idiot, this reads like a terrible troll thread, and god damn I feel like an idiot for posting in it myself now.
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: Rhinanna Maelstrom is perfect for this!
Bottom wings will act as stabilisers + rudders. Side pods with act as Trimerange(sp) for stability + increased speed.
Yea I think so too, couple years to finalize all the little things, honestly I have been working on a Rokh for a long time but then thought the Orca would do a whole lot better haha, it has more surface area so it would float like a barge for sure.
But I still wanna at least make a prototype of a Rokh first and see how it goes, currently in college and 2 days till the quarter ends then I go home and continue working on this project.
Ya know even if a large scale ship can't work, maybe I could still make RC units of EvE themed ships.
I think RC ships are a much better idea to fabricate than a 60m Rokh.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: My Jebus The only explanation for your obsession with this stupid idea is that you must be a 40 year old virgin. All that pent up misdirected rage.
Tell you what, take like $1000 of the $20-$30 million you will need to build this disaster and get yourself a hooker. I guarantee, 2 minutes, you blow your load for the first time in a real woman, and you will look back at this idea and think to yourself, "What the hell was I thinking?"
Another person who doesn't have the patience to read the entire thread, I already stated I am 24 years old. and sex is over rated.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 25/08/2009 18:36:19
Originally by: Frug The only morons in this thread are the people feeding this foolish troll for 6 pages.
If you're going to make a yacht rokh, do it. But you sound like an idiot, this reads like a terrible troll thread, and god damn I feel like an idiot for posting in it myself now.
Why does everyone keep saying troll? anyways I am working on it, everything takes time.
~Edit~ I wonder if people called Noah a troll when he started building the Ark?
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:02:00 -
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Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?
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Zed Jackelope
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin No, but I'm a pilot and aerospace engineering student
1. stopped reading here, everyone knows that engineering students are morons.
2. you're a pilot and aerospace student, so your understanding of hydrodynamics amounts to what? a 12yr old with a laser (its a boat people) probably knows more than you do about making a ship.
Originally by: Awesome Possum Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter.
When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zed Jackelope
Originally by: Sera Ryskin No, but I'm a pilot and aerospace engineering student
1. stopped reading here, everyone knows that engineering students are morons.
2. you're a pilot and aerospace student, so your understanding of hydrodynamics amounts to what? a 12yr old with a laser (its a boat people) probably knows more than you do about making a ship.
Had you kept reading, you would have noticed he's talking about gas turbines and only in a very limited way about gas turbines in a boat. Gas turbines are also known as jet engines. Jet engines tend to be on planes. You know, the things pilots fly and aerospace engineering students design.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Asagi Sandoval
Caldari Snake Hive Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:48:00 -
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To be honest, I like his idea. Why do you people insist that you can find better use for his money than chasing such a project. Simply think of how much he could learn in the process, at the amount of research he has to do. As much as I hate stereotypes, I have to say that having a goal is better than having none.
Unfortunately, I am studying electronics, so I can't help you much, but I saw a couple of pages earlier some links to case studies. From my knowledge, those are really valuable, the first thing they tell us when designing something at the lab, is to have a look through previous, similar projects, especially the failed ones, and first understand what can go wrong.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?
The ship that resembles a handgun?
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Asagi Sandoval To be honest, I like his idea. Why do you people insist that you can find better use for his money than chasing such a project. Simply think of how much he could learn in the process, at the amount of research he has to do. As much as I hate stereotypes, I have to say that having a goal is better than having none.
Unfortunately, I am studying electronics, so I can't help you much, but I saw a couple of pages earlier some links to case studies. From my knowledge, those are really valuable, the first thing they tell us when designing something at the lab, is to have a look through previous, similar projects, especially the failed ones, and first understand what can go wrong.
Yea in one of the studies I was looking at it said that a ship snapped in half due to faulty welding or some such, there is no way on earth I would be able to do this all on my own. So of course I would hire people if it ever got past the prototype phase.
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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 25/08/2009 23:14:43 Have you considered using fibreglass instead of plate metal for part of the superstructure? I mean if you don't plan on it getting shot at.. you could probably save a ****load of effort and money that way.
It's durable, relatively easy to work with and it's affordable so if you got hold off an existing hull I imagine you could cut years off your wild scheme.
And in closing: Best AND worst idea in the history of EVE!
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby Udders Edited by: Ruby Udders on 25/08/2009 23:14:43 Have you considered using fibreglass instead of plate metal for part of the superstructure? I mean if you don't plan on it getting shot at.. you could probably save a ****load of effort and money that way.
It's durable, relatively easy to work with and it's affordable so if you got hold off an existing hull I imagine you could cut years off your wild scheme.
And in closing: Best AND worst idea in the history of EVE!
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?
The ship that resembles a handgun?
I don't know if you remember the old graphics engine before Trinity, but it was quite clear that the Rupture was a wooden pirate ship.
A few of the Minmatar ships clearly resembled real-world objects back then; the Wreathe for example was a steam locomotive. The current graphics engine makes it less obvious what they were modeled on, but you can still see the bow, stern, and even the rudder on the Rupture.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?
The ship that resembles a handgun?
I don't know if you remember the old graphics engine before Trinity, but it was quite clear that the Rupture was a wooden pirate ship.
A few of the Minmatar ships clearly resembled real-world objects back then; the Wreathe for example was a steam locomotive. The current graphics engine makes it less obvious what they were modeled on, but you can still see the bow, stern, and even the rudder on the Rupture.
Yes I know, I've been playing this game since a few years after beta phase. Back when the biggest ships were battleships, HAC, CS, Cap ships, barges and the sort didn't exist when I started out hehe.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 26/08/2009 01:53:21
Originally by: Ruby Udders Edited by: Ruby Udders on 25/08/2009 23:14:43 Have you considered using fibreglass instead of plate metal for part of the superstructure? I mean if you don't plan on it getting shot at.. you could probably save a ****load of effort and money that way.
It's durable, relatively easy to work with and it's affordable so if you got hold off an existing hull I imagine you could cut years off your wild scheme.
And in closing: Best AND worst idea in the history of EVE!
Using fiberglass would work, and I know it's a helluva lot cheaper than steal or aluminum. In fact aren't most small sailing boats usually made of fiberglass as well?
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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2009.08.26 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 26/08/2009 08:27:38 Indeed they are. Most massproduced fibreglass boats are made using moulds (which can be quite complicated) but it is definitely doable without.
The biggest challenge would be the surfaces on a handmade fibreglass structure because unmoulded fibreglass can be a little uneven so I guess there would be quite a bit of filling/sanding needed to get it smooth.
You could research this area because I'm sure some of the fibreglass experts out there have made structures of similar size to this project.
But the upside is that an intricate wooden/fibreglass superstructure would weigh a fraction of a metal superstructure without being that much more fragile. The stiffness of fibreglass is what has made it so popular for (smaller) boats in the first place. The majority of smaller boats in areas with rough sea conditions like the North Atlantic are fibreglass boats for example.
That being said I wouldn't recommend trying to create a 60 metre hull from fibreglass.
Having worked at a shipyard I'd put forward the claim that fabricating a 60 metre ship or the superstructure of a 60 metre ship from metal is not possible outside of a shipyard without risking serious safety issues because of the weight and size of the material involved.
And to the young Caldari gentleman whose line I may or may not have borrowed, I acknowledge your claim and dip my hat in your general direction. Be safe, be cynical |
ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby Udders Edited by: Ruby Udders on 26/08/2009 09:10:29
Indeed they are. Most massproduced fibreglass boats are made using moulds (which can be quite complicated) but it is definitely doable without.
The biggest challenge would be the surfaces on a handmade fibreglass structure because unmoulded fibreglass can be a little uneven so I guess there would be quite a bit of filling/sanding needed to get it smooth.
You could research this area because I'm sure some of the fibreglass experts out there have made structures of similar size to this project.
But the upside is that an intricate wooden/fibreglass superstructure would weigh a fraction of a metal superstructure without being that much more fragile. The stiffness and durability of fibreglass is what has made it so popular for (smaller) boats in the first place. The majority of smaller boats in areas with rough sea conditions like the North Atlantic are fibreglass boats for example.
That being said I wouldn't recommend trying to create a 60 metre hull from fibreglass.
Having worked at a shipyard I'd put forward the claim that fabricating a 60 metre ship or the superstructure of a 60 metre ship from metal is not possible outside of a shipyard without risking serious safety issues because of the weight and size of the material involved.
And to the young Caldari gentleman whose line I may or may not have borrowed, I acknowledge your claim and dip my hat in your general direction.
Yea I think if I used an already existing hull of another ship that is made of metal I could mount the lighter fiberglass structure to it. I just liked metal b/c then it would have that sheen look that a rokh has but I'm sure chrome paint can solve that haha.
Also I don't think I will go 60m anyways. the pole barn is 97'x52' so realistically it would be much shorter if I were to just build it there and making a ship in sections based on case studies of ships with modular design are not very safe and often break up while out at sea.
Some where on the net I found hulls for ships like barges and the sort for sale, usually in the range of 40-100'. I'll have to keep looking.
quick donate 1.8m lolz
http://www.maritimesales.com/DEA10.htm
funny thing is it is stationed in michigan.
bit more realistic, just need $200,000.00 USD hehe, could make one helluva fiberglass/wood/metal rokh on that. I need to go win the lottery brb.
http://www.maritimesales.com/JEF10.htm
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Ramson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ramson on 26/08/2009 15:22:19 You're better off funding my attempt to build a real Battle barge ,create Space Marines,become God-Emperor and colonize the galaxy. -------
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: ADMR Hikari if I were to just build it there and making a ship in sections based on case studies of ships with modular design are not very safe and often break up while out at sea.
The bigger ships are virtually all build in sections now. Given that a proper weld is stronger than the 2 steel sheets it holds together this isn't usually a problem. The reason ships build in sections seem to break up often is due to the popularity of the build model (more ships for stuff to go wrong with). Design flaws in the connections. Cutting costs in training and guiding the welder. Tight schedules rushing the welders and failing quality control, e.g. visual vs ultrasonic inspection. Yes, I watch too much programs like seconds from disaster.
Since you have little to no experience in designing, welding and quality control going for an existing hull would be the safest thing to do.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:08:00 -
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what part will be the bridge? Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:46:00 -
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To be honest I think a grey navy/camo'ish paintjob would look even better than a blank metal finish. Plus metal would be completely covered by rust inside of a month and aluminium would look pale and grimy in the long run. For a lasting pure metal finish you'd have to use stainless steel which is expensive and looks terrible when it's been sitting outside for awhile.
So.. if going for a paintjob it wouldn't matter as much what's underneath. Another plus for the fibreglass solution.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon what part will be the bridge?
On a ship like that placing the bridge would be difficult if using the in-game model of the bridge unless I had camera's on the front of the ship and the left side to see whats around me. Could just put one where those 4 metal slats are on the front of the ship, use a one way type of glass so as to not stray to far from the design but I am thinking that scaling it down a bit will help in both costs/labor and structural integrity.
And there is no guarantee if even using a pre-existing hull that it would float very well or move at all, straying from the idea of gas turbines and moving more towards a more fuel efficient diesel engine, they are cheaper and slower but more efficient on fuel use.
If using a 90' barge which is more cost effective I could just make it with 2 decks and still consisting of an internal metal super structure for the core frame but using lighter materials like fiberglass or some similar material for the outer shell seems like the most prudent course of action for something like this. Basically using the barge as a platform and just building a rokh model on top should work a lot better than building a 60m rokh from nothing and hoping it wont crack down the middle.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:06:00 -
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Also using a barge for the main hull saves a couple million easy, getting one for $200,000.00 isn't all that difficult and having it scaled down makes it easier in the long run, it will still be a fairly large project but realistically 60m or 200ft is pretty damn big, cutting it in half even is still a task to behold but not nearly as impossible as the last idea and instead of using pure aluminum for the whole thing it will drop the costs from a possible 3m to maybe 500k which in a human span of time is possible to accumulate.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby Udders To be honest I think a grey navy/camo'ish paintjob would look even better than a blank metal finish. Plus metal would be completely covered by rust inside of a month and aluminium would look pale and grimy in the long run. For a lasting pure metal finish you'd have to use stainless steel which is expensive and looks terrible when it's been sitting outside for awhile.
So.. if going for a paintjob it wouldn't matter as much what's underneath. Another plus for the fibreglass solution.
I will probably just go with a gray navy look, making it camo would be more like a Vulture paintjob
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Khornne
Caldari Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:23:00 -
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Drake anyone?
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.27 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Khornne Drake anyone?
That ship has been brought up about 10 times in this thread.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.08.27 22:52:00 -
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What about the drake?
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Khornne
Caldari Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: Khornne Drake anyone?
That ship has been brought up about 10 times in this thread.
Cool because I CBA to read it as it's total delusional anyway. Have a nice one!
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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 27/08/2009 23:37:24 Actually if you stay close to 30-40 metres it's definitely doable providing you get a hull beforehand and you don't mind putting in a few months/years worth of solid effort on the superstructure.
I'd say 60 metres is not realistic because it would be frickin huge! To compare a little.. it's 13 military grade Humvees parked in single file. 39 and a half Danny Devitos laid out in single file (not side by side either) or the depth of approximately 400 average sized lady-hoohahs put together.
A bit daunting no? Be safe, be cynical |
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