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Enraku Reynolt
Minmatar
Mid Knights
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:29:00 -
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Hurricane seems more like a design for a hydrofoil
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 18:16:27
 Originally by: ADMR Hikari
For 1. Yes I know exactly how much it's going to cost, probably in excess of a few million.
The fact that you think you can know "exactly" how much a project like that would cost shows just how little you know. Things like that always cost more than expected. But I'm glad you've at least abandoned your hilariously bad $400k estimate.
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For 2. I work in a machine shop so I have all the required equipment.
Really? Your machine shop is capable of producing a 60m keel? Including proper heat treatment so it doesn't just snap in half after a few fatigue cycles?
And your machine shop has all the specialized tools to build all the other parts of the ship, including a 60m drydock? And they will be perfectly happy to let you use all of this stuff for a personal project?
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For 3. CEC Officer google it? hello I've stated that at least 3-4 times in this thread.
That's nice, and completely vague. I'm going to bet that your CEC officer friends are just technicians, not engineers qualified to produce the entire design for a 60m ship.
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For 4. Have you ever been in the military? do you even know that almost all ships in the size range from FF to DD on into CL all use gas turbine engines? and the fuel use isn't so horrendous, a fully loaded 3,500 tonne missile destroyer has a max range of 6000+ miles. the design is basically a jet engine in a steel or aluminum housing mounted directly to the hull with bulkhead/supports to keep it in place and using drive shafts on the exhaust end of the engine connected to props to move the ship forward.
No, but I'm a pilot and aerospace engineering student, so I have at least a vague idea of how a jet engine works, and your idea is ****ing stupid.
1) Those military ships that are using gas turbine engines? They have a properly designed hull, not an incredibly inefficient brick, so they actually benefit from that kind of power.
2) The fuel use is only acceptable if you're the US military and have a near-unlimited budget. For the rest of us, a pair of aircraft jet engines are going to burn fuel at an absurd rate. Even if you can find enough space to hold it all, your bank account is not going to be happy, especially if you can imagine how high fuel prices might get in the next 15 years.
3) That 6000+ mile range is for a properly-designed hull, not an inefficient brick. The terrible hull shape of a Rokh is going to mean you will burn staggering amounts of fuel to even get the thing moving, so forget about long range or endurance.
4) Those ships are designed by professional engineers working with the appropriate tools, and properly maintained by another set of experts. You, on the other hand, lack the knowledge or tools to build the drive shafts/etc in a way that they are able to survive massive load cycles at thousands of RPM over long periods of time. Or to check your entire system for even the slightest material flaw that will result in catastrophic failure. So my bet is your gas turbines quickly fail in some probably-lethal way very quickly.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:17:00 -
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While I don't know how to fit them correctly as I have stated time and time again my family will help if I ask for it and as most of them are in the navy a lot of them deal with aircraft every day.
Dealing with aircraft every day is not the same thing as being qualified to design them. Ever hear of a thing called a checklist? It's that thing that the qualified engineers have developed so that the people who actually use the aircraft don't have to have the design knowledge to do their job?
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For 5. You obviously didn't read anything past the the first few sentences in my first post. I mentioned I have already made 3D models on my comp and used simulation software. so the next step is making a scale model and going to a test facility to see how it works.
You said you have made 3d models to test the hull shape. Have you also made 3d models to test the structure of your ship? You know, to avoid minor problems like your ship snapping in half and drowning you and all of the unfortunate people you talked into riding on it? A ship is not just a solid block of metal, any idiot can design a hull shape that floats, the hard part is designing the structure to produce that shape.
And more importantly, are you actually qualified to interpret those results? Have you taken the math, physics and engineering classes necessary, or at least spent a huge amount of effort studying the textbooks?
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Also why are you so serious about this? it's not your money so why are you getting so flustered?
Two reasons:
1) I like laughing at idiots who say stupid things about science and engineering, and you have given me a wonderful list of stupid things to laugh at.
2) There's a very slight chance that you are actually serious about this idea and might be able to get the money to attempt it, in which case you are almost guaranteed to earn yourself a Darwin award. My hope is that you realize just how incredibly stupid and dangerous your idea is, and abandon it before you get yourself and possibly other people killed.
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Illena Winterflight
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
There's a very slight chance that you are actually serious about this idea and might be able to get the money to attempt it, in which case you are almost guaranteed to earn yourself a Darwin award. My hope is that you realize just how incredibly stupid and dangerous your idea is, and abandon it before you get yourself and possibly other people killed.
Truly, it's all about love and care on EvE-O.
Though, point stands, get at least someone who has worked on designing a 60m ship to look over the plans and simulations. If you do and they say it's ok ... well, more power to you.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari
Annihilate.
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:50:00 -
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Just for comparison:
110m long Submarine in Dry-Dock (Not even twice the size)
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:24:00 -
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Guys, stop feeding him... he obviously is delusional at best. It's just cruel to keep him going at this point. Instead, lets just tell him it's a great idea, and he'll end up killing himself early in the process, hopefully before he talks anyone into 'assisting' him, and the world will carry on fine without him.
So.. to the OP.. some tips:
1. Go for it! Dreams can truly build anything! The fairy tales were actually all correct!
2. Save some money, and build your own cranes for the production work. Renting cranes, and especially the over-paid operators, is a total waste of money.
3. It might be best to just build it out of 2x4's and plywood... much cheaper, and would burn up more easily to remove the eyesore from the world.
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kylie taome
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.
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Unity Love
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:40:00 -
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As said above a Darwin award is being reserved for you.
If you're a rich bastard and are going to spend that money at least do it on something useful (like I doonooo a charity?)
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Enraku Reynolt
Hurricane seems more like a design for a hydrofoil
That would be fun if it could work
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
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While I don't know how to fit them correctly as I have stated time and time again my family will help if I ask for it and as most of them are in the navy a lot of them deal with aircraft every day.
Dealing with aircraft every day is not the same thing as being qualified to design them. Ever hear of a thing called a checklist? It's that thing that the qualified engineers have developed so that the people who actually use the aircraft don't have to have the design knowledge to do their job?
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For 5. You obviously didn't read anything past the the first few sentences in my first post. I mentioned I have already made 3D models on my comp and used simulation software. so the next step is making a scale model and going to a test facility to see how it works.
You said you have made 3d models to test the hull shape. Have you also made 3d models to test the structure of your ship? You know, to avoid minor problems like your ship snapping in half and drowning you and all of the unfortunate people you talked into riding on it? A ship is not just a solid block of metal, any idiot can design a hull shape that floats, the hard part is designing the structure to produce that shape.
And more importantly, are you actually qualified to interpret those results? Have you taken the math, physics and engineering classes necessary, or at least spent a huge amount of effort studying the textbooks?
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Also why are you so serious about this? it's not your money so why are you getting so flustered?
Two reasons:
1) I like laughing at idiots who say stupid things about science and engineering, and you have given me a wonderful list of stupid things to laugh at.
2) There's a very slight chance that you are actually serious about this idea and might be able to get the money to attempt it, in which case you are almost guaranteed to earn yourself a Darwin award. My hope is that you realize just how incredibly stupid and dangerous your idea is, and abandon it before you get yourself and possibly other people killed.
Nah I'm incredibly stubborn and once I set my mind on something it takes a lot to change my mind, & btw it may take me the rest of my life but nothing you say even if it makes sense is going to stop me from moving forward with my plan. You are wasting your time so you should just quit while your ahead and move on.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
Guys, stop feeding him... he obviously is delusional at best. It's just cruel to keep him going at this point. Instead, lets just tell him it's a great idea, and he'll end up killing himself early in the process, hopefully before he talks anyone into 'assisting' him, and the world will carry on fine without him.
So.. to the OP.. some tips:
1. Go for it! Dreams can truly build anything! The fairy tales were actually all correct!
2. Save some money, and build your own cranes for the production work. Renting cranes, and especially the over-paid operators, is a total waste of money.
3. It might be best to just build it out of 2x4's and plywood... much cheaper, and would burn up more easily to remove the eyesore from the world.
Go die in a fire.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 24/08/2009 21:13:10
Originally by: Unity Love
As said above a Darwin award is being reserved for you.
If you're a rich bastard and are going to spend that money at least do it on something useful (like I doonooo a charity?)
I am extremely selfish, I think charity is pointless unless I can see the money being used for what it's meant. I would sooner buy supplies for a school or food for the homeless myself than give money to someone I didn't know.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake
Just for comparison:
110m long Submarine in Dry-Dock (Not even twice the size)
Yea I know how long that is irl, my uncle's schooner pushes 39m and that is pretty damn big
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:17:00 -
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I bet CCP looks at this and thinks "Whoa that's just crazy, I'm not even going to touch that" lol
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
While odds are this is a troll, if you really are stupid enough to do this, please arrange a video record of the attempt so that we can all laugh as you earn your Darwin award. Just be sure to do it solo, don't get other people killed in the process.
I've seen people go out and build personal submarines, it's bad ass, and works like a charm and is one helluva an achievement once done, granted there's difference between a small personal sub than a sea-worthy Rokh, but there is no need to be an *******.
Good luck with this OP, this would be awesome if pulled out.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:02:00 -
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Yea everyone has they're limits when pushed far enough.
But anyways I think this is possible. it would be possible if I could find a hull that's already built which would save the process of hiring a shipyard to do it heh. although I would still need a sizable place to finish construction, like a dry dock or some such.
Who knows if the factory I work at can do everything but if it's making plates from aluminum for the sides of the ship then yes it's possible. Also I have a 5000 Sq ft pole barn for storage so really I could build something that big & keep it in sections for transportation.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: kylie taome
Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.
Yes I will buy goonswarm and become the single most hated person in EvE.... No thanks.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.25 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: kylie taome
Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.
Yes I will buy goonswarm and become the single most hated person in EvE.... No thanks.
Owning a 60m Rokh will set you up for that also.
Anyway, here's a bunch of structural design flaws you'll need to avoid.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Plave Okice
The Okice Family
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:42:00 -
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Well, one thing I do know is boats and yachts, for reference, you're looking to design and build a yacht this size;
http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/attachments/trinity-yacht/30916-new-launch-trinity-yachts-60m-bacarella-bacarella-01.jpg
I won't start on most of the topics that spring to mind but I will say straight away you are miles and miles away in your financial estimate, if you actually plan on taking it anywhere it's going to need certifying, even if you design it yourself a naval architect is going to have to be paid to check it all. As it stands your budget won't buy the engines and engineering equipment. Start thinking $20,000,000 and upwards for the whole scheme and you'll be getting somewhere.
Or, more realistically, try and build something of a sensible size, like 8m not 60m.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 25/08/2009 08:02:55
Try to get a huge sum of money together before even starting. You might not feel like you're making progress while you save but a properly funded project of this size will actually save you money as you won't have to pay for things like storage and all the materials and tech will be of the same age.
Also look into scaling it down a bit too. 60m is just freaking massive.
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Imca
Gallente
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Forge
http://www.walyou.com/blog/2008/12/08/giant-lego-colony-spaceship-is-spectacular/
http://www.walyou.com/blog/2008/09/23/huge-lego-aircraft-carrier-gets-respect/
Shame I couldn't find the HUGE lego battleship.
Lego!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU2BT8V65uE&feature=related
there you go :)
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Cerui Tarshiel
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.08.25 11:31:00 -
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You're utterly bonkers but man, go ahead with it, live your dream, it will awesome if you actually manage to do this. Good luck
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:24:00 -
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Why not do an upside down Apocalypse?
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:58:00 -
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Maelstrom is perfect for this!
Bottom wings will act as stabilisers + rudders.
Side pods with act as Trimerange(sp) for stability + increased speed.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: ADMR Hikari
Originally by: kylie taome
Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.
Yes I will buy goonswarm and become the single most hated person in EvE.... No thanks.
Owning a 60m Rokh will set you up for that also.
Anyway, here's a bunch of structural design flaws you'll need to avoid.
This should help a lot, thanks
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Plave Okice
Well, one thing I do know is boats and yachts, for reference, you're looking to design and build a yacht this size;
http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/attachments/trinity-yacht/30916-new-launch-trinity-yachts-60m-bacarella-bacarella-01.jpg
I won't start on most of the topics that spring to mind but I will say straight away you are miles and miles away in your financial estimate, if you actually plan on taking it anywhere it's going to need certifying, even if you design it yourself a naval architect is going to have to be paid to check it all. As it stands your budget won't buy the engines and engineering equipment. Start thinking $20,000,000 and upwards for the whole scheme and you'll be getting somewhere.
Or, more realistically, try and build something of a sensible size, like 8m not 60m.
Wow haha, maybe I should have scaled it down a bit, someone said 30m some where on here, I only went with 60m as a limit not so much as a goal anything around 70-200ft is actually fine I just didn't want to limit the possibilities.
Yea I figured it was going to cost a pile of money, even if I were able to get rants for that it still probably wouldn't scratch the surface, first comes a working prototype before anything else to see if it can even float 
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY
Why not do an upside down Apocalypse?
This was already covered some where near page 1 or 2, b/c then it wouldn't be an eve themed ship now would it? how many upside down apoc's do you see floating around in eve? honestly it would look really silly.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna
Maelstrom is perfect for this!
Bottom wings will act as stabilisers + rudders.
Side pods with act as Trimerange(sp) for stability + increased speed.
Yea I think so too, couple years to finalize all the little things, honestly I have been working on a Rokh for a long time but then thought the Orca would do a whole lot better haha, it has more surface area so it would float like a barge for sure.
But I still wanna at least make a prototype of a Rokh first and see how it goes, currently in college and 2 days till the quarter ends then I go home and continue working on this project.
Ya know even if a large scale ship can't work, maybe I could still make RC units of EvE themed ships.
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ADMR Hikari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:04:00 -
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60 meter schooner, HUGE.... lol
http://www.alacartecruises.nl/images/schepen/st/st_1.jpg
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Weekas Slave
GET A JOB
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:56:00 -
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Chribba did it
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