Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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But the Rokh is really a very simple design to work with, it is essentially a bunch of Right angles that make up a bulk of the ships design

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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C-105 gas

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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But the Rokh is really a very simple design to work with, it is essentially a bunch of Right angles that make up a bulk of the ships design so I don't think it is impossible to build nor a waste of money really if it has a practical use.

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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

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SoonÖ

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Originally by: Ah Long

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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But the Rokh is really a very simple design to work with, it is essentially a bunch of Right angles that make up a bulk of the ships design so I don't think it is impossible to build nor a waste of money really if it has a practical use.

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Confirming Fey's comment about how yachts kinda need to be hydrodynamic. Helps with moving through water.

However, the Rokh would lend itself well to a barge-type vessel, as would a Covetor, tbh. Might be an idea to buy an existing barge and dress it up as a Rokh or whatever.

Also, 60m is MASSIVE; I sail on a 60-footer and that is big enough as it is.

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Originally by: adfadfadfawe

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Before you sell the house, I think you would be a lot better off if you satisfy your curiosity with a scale model. A quick tour around the lake in a 10 ft jon boat with cardboard wings will discourage all but the most determined. I know the people behind that earthrace boat did something similar before building the full scale wedge-shaped craft.

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Originally by: Zeba

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Wouldn't a Drake make a better yacht? Catamaran stability and a huge flat deck to party on and have a huge mansion style central room. Rokh seems too unstable with the fence post hull.

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Originally by: Zeba

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Wouldn't a Drake make a better yacht? Catamaran stability and a huge flat deck to party on and have a huge mansion style central room. Rokh seems too unstable with the fence post hull.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Originally by: Zeba

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Wouldn't a Drake make a better yacht? Catamaran stability and a huge flat deck to party on and have a huge mansion style central room. Rokh seems too unstable with the fence post hull.

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Actually, how about a Ferox? Yours for free, courtesy of the US Navy (delivery not included).

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Originally by: Seishi Maru

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NO NO NO. Make an APOC hull and use it upside down. Its basically a normal rounded bottom boat :P

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Originally by: Zaqar

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:)

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Originally by: Jacharian

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This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.

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Originally by: Leviathan9

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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/08/2009 11:37:09
I agree with Bell, get an expert in structural design to have a look over it. Also i'm hope you're prepared to spend around ú240,000.. especially in times like these, other than that, good luck. Oh and most important is definately build a scaled prototype, you need to need to see if a smaller version would actually float.. If you don't build a prototype, you're a mad man.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1. Are you a mechanical engineer? If not, I'd get someone who actually knows a thing or two about structural design, or start reading.

2. You had better have some pretty decent FEA software, like COSMOS (as an example) to do design iterations with before you actually build anything. If you don't know what FEA is, google it.

3. Start small and build a small working prototype before you blow tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that will break.

4. Realize that you could easily kill yourself or others if you make a mistake.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Not sure which forum section this goes in but it pertain to EvE in one way, the Rokh... sorta


So I had this crazy idea some years back, "I wanna make a irl Rokh yacht. Thus began the plans for making blueprints, checking prices of steel and aluminum by the tonne, getting a quote for a C-105 gas turbine from the AMARC Tucson, AZ scrapyard for propulsion. All in all I think it will cost about $400,000.00 USD, Steel is about $240 per tonne and aluminum is around $1893 per tonne on yesterdays UK stock exchange.

I will save about 3-4m by not having the aesthetic features of most yachts like gold plated everything lol. the blue prints are being finalized right now, I'm using Auto-CAD to make them and another 3D imaging program. I'm technically a noob at this stuff, my family thinks I'm crazy, my grandpa is the only one that thinks it will float so long as I use a schooner type stabilizer fin on the bottom to minimize the chance of capsizing & using ballast tanks in between the outer 1/4" steel plating on the bottom and the inner aluminum infrastructure also while using steel for the initial frame and bulkheads.

The end game issue is money, as such I don't plan on this project being done for at least 10-15 years down the road from now as I'm the only one who will be working on it so far unless I find like minded people who wanna have a go at it ha ha but that is some what unlikely. But the Rokh is really a very simple design to work with, it is essentially a bunch of Right angles that make up a bulk of the ships design so I don't think it is impossible to build nor a waste of money really if it has a practical use.

Can people please give me idea/opinions? ~puts on flame ******ant suit~ ok I am also ready for flames.

Opinions are accepted by both players and CCP, who knows maybe some time down the road it could be used to make a voyage to EvE Fan fest assuming the game is still around in 10-15 years ha ha.

Thanks for your time.

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Originally by: ceaon

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man set a web site put on the web site the progression

if u can proof that this is awesome i donate 100$ for the project

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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1. Are you a mechanical engineer? If not, I'd get someone who actually knows a thing or two about structural design, or start reading.

2. You had better have some pretty decent FEA software, like COSMOS (as an example) to do design iterations with before you actually build anything. If you don't know what FEA is, google it.

3. Start small and build a small working prototype before you blow tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that will break.

4. Realize that you could easily kill yourself or others if you make a mistake.

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Most of my family are in the Navy, some as engineering, others in Intel & a few work as flight deck crew. The one's that will come in handy is one of my uncle's, he's a CEC Officer, his main job is testing the structural designs of some of the Navy's warships so if all else fails I can always count on him.

Other methods, hrmm I have made a lot of friends in EvE and in the Army that work for design firms & metal fabrication plants so if nothing else I could ask for help from them as well.

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Originally by: T'san Manaan

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what's her draft, LWL and beam length?

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 23/08/2009 12:19:27

Originally by: Leviathan9

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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/08/2009 11:37:09
I agree with Bell, get an expert in structural design to have a look over it. Also i'm hope you're prepared to spend around ú240,000.. especially in times like these, other than that, good luck. Oh and most important is definately build a scaled prototype, you need to need to see if a smaller version would actually float.. If you don't build a prototype, you're a mad man.

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um read the first post before you post something please.

"All in all I think it will cost about $400,000.00 USD"

Also other post's of mine I have stated that I use simulation software to test my ideas, take the time to read the posts, skimming is fine and all but you skipped some stuff that I had already mentioned about pre-testing.

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Originally by: Lt Forge

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http://www.walyou.com/blog/2008/09/23/huge-lego-aircraft-carrier-gets-respect/

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Originally by: Caius Severus

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Edited by: Caius Severus on 23/08/2009 13:02:39
I don't think you have any idea of what you are getting yourself into. A 60m boat is not a small undertaking. If you wanted to build something that size you pretty much need a shipyard to do it, and it is going to be extremely expensive, not to mention that the chances are unless you are a naval architect it will be completely unsafe. It is not something you are going to be able to do on the back of a *** packet.

Also a gas turbine engine is lol unless you are putting it in a half decent hull shape. It will burn stupid amounts of fuel and not go very fast.

Edit: $400,000 is also lol worthy. If you can build anything on that scale for 10x that you are doing well.

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Originally by: Jericho thePure

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If you want it to scale, the Rokh is 1,007m long (not sure how wide). GL with your project btw.

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Originally by: Kolatha

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I personally think a Drake would probably translate better to an irl yacht.
It would make for a great looking cat.

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I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise.
Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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I think the Hyperion would make a much better yacht.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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10-15 years...

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Originally by: Ahz

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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10-15 years...

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You must be a Brit.

Americans can't maintain this level of compulsiveness for 15 years.

Hope people still remember what Eve is / was in 15 years when you're done.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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I think the Hyperion would make a much better yacht.

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Well really I would build a Tempest...

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 23/08/2009 15:22:04

but I will need more than that, there will be a need for a cook or two, navigation officer, helmsman, engineers for various needs & deck crew(janitors). Then if I got permits to do it legally I could turn it into a small liner like someone mentioned earlier.

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Originally by: CCP Abraxas

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Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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I think the Hyperion would make a much better yacht.

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Well really I would build a Tempest...

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A tempest has no hull on which to make displacement which is what you need if you want the ship to stay afloat, also all minmatar ships are crap for anything like this except the Maelstrom. the Temp/Phoon are both made like a scaffold full of holes and not very safe.

But if I had to choose something with the best chances of being sea worthy it would be the Maelstrom, it is already built like a ship made for water.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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...the best chances of being sea worthy...

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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I'm technically a noob at this stuff, my family thinks I'm crazy...

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Originally by: Sharp Feather

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 23/08/2009 15:22:04

but I will need more than that, there will be a need for a cook or two, navigation officer, helmsman, engineers for various needs & deck crew(janitors). Then if I got permits to do it legally I could turn it into a small liner like someone mentioned earlier.

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Ok, this part is ridiculus. You are quite naive. Get down back to earth, yes you can make a boat, but please, make it 30 meter long, or even 15... not 60, thats ridiculus.

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Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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...the best chances of being sea worthy...

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You're forgetting the battle-cruisers. The Hurricane is practically a boat already.

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Originally by: Rawthorm

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Drake would have been far better in both looks and for it's workability tbh :p

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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe

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why not a wyvern? its got the sails set up and everything

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Really give me some proof why it would be so horrible?

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Really give me some proof why it would be so horrible?

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Bricks don't float.

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Originally by: RabbidFerret

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This is an awesomely ambitious idea. But I cringe when I think of the sports cars that you could buy with $400,000 USD instead.

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Hah railguns... as for the C-105 gas turbine. It is a USAF aircraft engine, they are mothballed in great numbers in AZ. as for the drake yes it would work but I wanted something that would stand out.

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Originally by: Kolatha

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I personally think a Drake would probably translate better to an irl yacht.
It would make for a great looking cat.

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said

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Originally by: Chribba

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Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Seriously though, I don't see how it's such a "stupid" idea. Really give me some proof why it would be so horrible? while taking in everything from all the previous posts, actually read it. I'm guessing at least 70% of the people on the forums just skim posts hence why I have had to restate things various times.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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my grandpa is the only one that thinks it will float so long as I use a schooner type stabilizer fin on the bottom to minimize the chance of capsizing & using ballast tanks in between the outer 1/4" steel plating on the bottom and the inner aluminum infrastructure also while using steel for the initial frame and bulkheads.

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter.

When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Originally by: Zeba

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Wouldn't a Drake make a better yacht? Catamaran stability and a huge flat deck to party on and have a huge mansion style central room. Rokh seems too unstable with the fence post hull.

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Actually, how about a Ferox? Yours for free, courtesy of the US Navy (delivery not included).

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You need to meet these requirements to get the ship though

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2006/09/fr091406.html

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 24/08/2009 08:21:27

Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Originally by: Zeba

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Wouldn't a Drake make a better yacht? Catamaran stability and a huge flat deck to party on and have a huge mansion style central room. Rokh seems too unstable with the fence post hull.

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Actually, how about a Ferox? Yours for free, courtesy of the US Navy (delivery not included).

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You need to meet these requirements to get the ship though

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2006/09/fr091406.html

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Don't forget that it's almost invisible to radar. If you've managed to convince them you can see to the requirements, they're going to have a hard time tracking it once you've left coastal waters.

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Originally by: Washell Olivaw

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Absolutely not a boat expert but wouldn't fiberglass/wood for the top structure fix the top heavy problem and be cheaper and easier to construct?

I also recommend contacting shipyards how much manhour they put into a 60m ship, triple it because you're learning on the job, triple it again because you're working solo and triple it a third time for good measure. Divide by your estimated yearly time spend on it and see if it's still within a human lifespan. Assume a 20 year period with little work because the family is nagging for time or said family has divorced you and all money is heading towards alimony and child support.

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Originally by: F'nog

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Originally by: Kolatha

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I personally think a Drake would probably translate better to an irl yacht.
It would make for a great looking cat.

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The US actually has a stealth warship prototype similar to a Drake. It was sort of portrayed in "The World Is Enough" or whatever the second Bond film with Pierce Bronsan was. The one with Michelle Yeoh.

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 06:32:14

Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Seriously though, I don't see how it's such a "stupid" idea. Really give me some proof why it would be so horrible? while taking in everything from all the previous posts, actually read it. I'm guessing at least 70% of the people on the forums just skim posts hence why I have had to restate things various times.

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Fine, you want reasons?


1) You are pricing your absurd idea at the cost of the raw materials, and ignoring the staggering labor costs involved. Forget your "a few friends to help", at that size you're going to have to hire a hell of a lot of professional labor, pay for drydock space, etc.


2) You are attempting to build a 60m ship without specialized ship-building facilities (hint: how exactly are you going to turn the raw materials into the parts you need?). And if you think you can just do it in your back yard, you might want to look up what happens when you fail to properly heat-treat steel. And good luck doing it right for a 60m hull frame without the specialized equipment.


3) You are attempting to build a 60m ship without significant engineering experience. Just what exactly do you plan to do when your ship snaps in half in the middle of the ocean because you didn't get the math right? Pray that by some miracle there's a rescue ship in range to save you before you drown and/or freeze to death?


4) You are attempting to power your ship with a jet engine. Not only will you probably break it (likely in some very dramatic and lethal way, as something fails under massive stress cycles at thousands of RPM, and I really doubt you have the specialized tools to check for material flaws or the engineering knowledge to design it right in the first place), but putting that much raw power on a shape as inefficient as a Rokh is pretty ****ing stupid even if you somehow did it successfully. All you will succeed in doing is burning insane amounts of fuel.


5) You think that a 14" "prototype" is anything even remotely resembling a sane first step. Hint: you start with computer models and vast amounts of design work (hope you like math!), then small-scale test models (hint: think 1-2" long) to verify your computer models, THEN you might think about something as big as 14".



Doing it your way, if you are very, very lucky you will spend millions of dollars on this project, produce something that is ugly as hell, and it will sink the moment you try to put in the water, therefore preventing any innocent people from trusting your creation and getting killed when it inevitably fails.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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There is also a more common method used which some people probably don't know about and is very cost effective is attaching magnesium strips to the underside of the vessel. An electric current is generated, with the magnesium and iron acting as electrodes and seawater acting as the electrolyte, or using a battery system connected to the hull provides a small current but enough to stop corrosion.

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Originally by: Ehranavaar

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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There is also a more common method used which some people probably don't know about and is very cost effective is attaching magnesium strips to the underside of the vessel. An electric current is generated, with the magnesium and iron acting as electrodes and seawater acting as the electrolyte, or using a battery system connected to the hull provides a small current but enough to stop corrosion.

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welded many a magnesium slab to a work boats hull. still won't stop the steel from being eaten by the aluminum any place the two are in contact.

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Originally by: Kyreax

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Well, I live right next to the AMARC DRMO in Tucson. I love all the scrap they have lying around for sale!

However - you might want to consider an already floating hull to build you rokh top onto.

You know, a drydocked decrepit old piece that someone will probably give you so they don't have to pay storage fees anymore. Then, presto, no engineering to guess out, just build the top over the waterline to look like a Rokh.

There ya go. Cheap, floats, actually stable and has real engines to propel it. The Turbines could be for that extra "oomph" and for show.

I like your plan. Most of our best layman-engineered products came from dreamers like you that weren't afraid to think waaaaay outside the box.

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Originally by: Enraku Reynolt

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First

Your got too much free cash

Second, you ever consider making it a sub rather than a boat?

You could make back some of the costs in taking tourists if you near a popular wreck or natural site

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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For 1. Yes I know exactly how much it's going to cost, probably in excess of a few million.

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For 3. CEC Officer google it? hello I've stated that at least 3-4 times in this thread.

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For 4. Have you ever been in the military? do you even know that almost all ships in the size range from FF to DD on into CL all use gas turbine engines? and the fuel use isn't so horrendous, a fully loaded 3,500 tonne missile destroyer has a max range of 6000+ miles. the design is basically a jet engine in a steel or aluminum housing mounted directly to the hull with bulkhead/supports to keep it in place and using drive shafts on the exhaust end of the engine connected to props to move the ship forward.

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While I don't know how to fit them correctly as I have stated time and time again my family will help if I ask for it and as most of them are in the navy a lot of them deal with aircraft every day.

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For 5. You obviously didn't read anything past the the first few sentences in my first post. I mentioned I have already made 3D models on my comp and used simulation software. so the next step is making a scale model and going to a test facility to see how it works.

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Also why are you so serious about this? it's not your money so why are you getting so flustered?

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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There's a very slight chance that you are actually serious about this idea and might be able to get the money to attempt it, in which case you are almost guaranteed to earn yourself a Darwin award. My hope is that you realize just how incredibly stupid and dangerous your idea is, and abandon it before you get yourself and possibly other people killed.

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Originally by: Enraku Reynolt

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Hurricane seems more like a design for a hydrofoil

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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While I don't know how to fit them correctly as I have stated time and time again my family will help if I ask for it and as most of them are in the navy a lot of them deal with aircraft every day.

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Dealing with aircraft every day is not the same thing as being qualified to design them. Ever hear of a thing called a checklist? It's that thing that the qualified engineers have developed so that the people who actually use the aircraft don't have to have the design knowledge to do their job?

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For 5. You obviously didn't read anything past the the first few sentences in my first post. I mentioned I have already made 3D models on my comp and used simulation software. so the next step is making a scale model and going to a test facility to see how it works.

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You said you have made 3d models to test the hull shape. Have you also made 3d models to test the structure of your ship? You know, to avoid minor problems like your ship snapping in half and drowning you and all of the unfortunate people you talked into riding on it? A ship is not just a solid block of metal, any idiot can design a hull shape that floats, the hard part is designing the structure to produce that shape.


And more importantly, are you actually qualified to interpret those results? Have you taken the math, physics and engineering classes necessary, or at least spent a huge amount of effort studying the textbooks?

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Also why are you so serious about this? it's not your money so why are you getting so flustered?

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Two reasons:


1) I like laughing at idiots who say stupid things about science and engineering, and you have given me a wonderful list of stupid things to laugh at.


2) There's a very slight chance that you are actually serious about this idea and might be able to get the money to attempt it, in which case you are almost guaranteed to earn yourself a Darwin award. My hope is that you realize just how incredibly stupid and dangerous your idea is, and abandon it before you get yourself and possibly other people killed.

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Originally by: Clansworth

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Guys, stop feeding him... he obviously is delusional at best. It's just cruel to keep him going at this point. Instead, lets just tell him it's a great idea, and he'll end up killing himself early in the process, hopefully before he talks anyone into 'assisting' him, and the world will carry on fine without him.

So.. to the OP.. some tips:
1. Go for it! Dreams can truly build anything! The fairy tales were actually all correct!
2. Save some money, and build your own cranes for the production work. Renting cranes, and especially the over-paid operators, is a total waste of money.
3. It might be best to just build it out of 2x4's and plywood... much cheaper, and would burn up more easily to remove the eyesore from the world.

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Originally by: Unity Love

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As said above a Darwin award is being reserved for you.

If you're a rich bastard and are going to spend that money at least do it on something useful (like I doonooo a charity?)

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Originally by: Ivana Drake

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Just for comparison:

110m long Submarine in Dry-Dock (Not even twice the size)

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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While odds are this is a troll, if you really are stupid enough to do this, please arrange a video record of the attempt so that we can all laugh as you earn your Darwin award. Just be sure to do it solo, don't get other people killed in the process.

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Originally by: kylie taome

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Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: kylie taome

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Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.

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Yes I will buy goonswarm and become the single most hated person in EvE.... No thanks.

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: Lt Forge

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http://www.walyou.com/blog/2008/12/08/giant-lego-colony-spaceship-is-spectacular/
http://www.walyou.com/blog/2008/09/23/huge-lego-aircraft-carrier-gets-respect/
Shame I couldn't find the HUGE lego battleship.

Lego!

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Originally by: Washell Olivaw

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: kylie taome

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Edited by: kylie taome on 24/08/2009 20:21:06
dude buy 11431 game time cards and buy goonswarm.

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Yes I will buy goonswarm and become the single most hated person in EvE.... No thanks.

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Owning a 60m Rokh will set you up for that also.

Anyway, here's a bunch of structural design flaws you'll need to avoid.

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Originally by: Plave Okice

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Well, one thing I do know is boats and yachts, for reference, you're looking to design and build a yacht this size;

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/attachments/trinity-yacht/30916-new-launch-trinity-yachts-60m-bacarella-bacarella-01.jpg

I won't start on most of the topics that spring to mind but I will say straight away you are miles and miles away in your financial estimate, if you actually plan on taking it anywhere it's going to need certifying, even if you design it yourself a naval architect is going to have to be paid to check it all. As it stands your budget won't buy the engines and engineering equipment. Start thinking $20,000,000 and upwards for the whole scheme and you'll be getting somewhere.

Or, more realistically, try and build something of a sensible size, like 8m not 60m.

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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY

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Why not do an upside down Apocalypse?

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Originally by: Rhinanna

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Maelstrom is perfect for this!

Bottom wings will act as stabilisers + rudders.
Side pods with act as Trimerange(sp) for stability + increased speed.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Rhinanna

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Maelstrom is perfect for this!

Bottom wings will act as stabilisers + rudders.
Side pods with act as Trimerange(sp) for stability + increased speed.

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Yea I think so too, couple years to finalize all the little things, honestly I have been working on a Rokh for a long time but then thought the Orca would do a whole lot better haha, it has more surface area so it would float like a barge for sure.

But I still wanna at least make a prototype of a Rokh first and see how it goes, currently in college and 2 days till the quarter ends then I go home and continue working on this project.

Ya know even if a large scale ship can't work, maybe I could still make RC units of EvE themed ships.

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Originally by: My Jebus

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The only explanation for your obsession with this stupid idea is that you must be a 40 year old virgin. All that pent up misdirected rage.

Tell you what, take like $1000 of the $20-$30 million you will need to build this disaster and get yourself a hooker. I guarantee, 2 minutes, you blow your load for the first time in a real woman, and you will look back at this idea and think to yourself, "What the hell was I thinking?"

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Originally by: Frug

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The only morons in this thread are the people feeding this foolish troll for 6 pages.

If you're going to make a yacht rokh, do it. But you sound like an idiot, this reads like a terrible troll thread, and god damn I feel like an idiot for posting in it myself now.

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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No, but I'm a pilot and aerospace engineering student

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Originally by: Awesome Possum

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Ban in place for using inappropriate language and evading the profanity filter.

When Will I be able to post again? 09/03/09

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Originally by: Zed Jackelope

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Originally by: Sera Ryskin

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No, but I'm a pilot and aerospace engineering student

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1. stopped reading here, everyone knows that engineering students are morons.

2. you're a pilot and aerospace student, so your understanding of hydrodynamics amounts to what? a 12yr old with a laser (its a boat people) probably knows more than you do about making a ship.

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?

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Originally by: Asagi Sandoval

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To be honest, I like his idea. Why do you people insist that you can find better use for his money than chasing such a project. Simply think of how much he could learn in the process, at the amount of research he has to do. As much as I hate stereotypes, I have to say that having a goal is better than having none.

Unfortunately, I am studying electronics, so I can't help you much, but I saw a couple of pages earlier some links to case studies. From my knowledge, those are really valuable, the first thing they tell us when designing something at the lab, is to have a look through previous, similar projects, especially the failed ones, and first understand what can go wrong.

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Originally by: Ruby Udders

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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 25/08/2009 23:14:43
Have you considered using fibreglass instead of plate metal for part of the superstructure? I mean if you don't plan on it getting shot at.. you could probably save a ****load of effort and money that way.

It's durable, relatively easy to work with and it's affordable so if you got hold off an existing hull I imagine you could cut years off your wild scheme.

And in closing: Best AND worst idea in the history of EVE!

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?

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The ship that resembles a handgun?

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

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Wouldn't a Rupture be a more likely candidate for a real yacht?

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The ship that resembles a handgun?

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I don't know if you remember the old graphics engine before Trinity, but it was quite clear that the Rupture was a wooden pirate ship.

A few of the Minmatar ships clearly resembled real-world objects back then; the Wreathe for example was a steam locomotive. The current graphics engine makes it less obvious what they were modeled on, but you can still see the bow, stern, and even the rudder on the Rupture.

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Originally by: Ruby Udders

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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 25/08/2009 23:14:43
Have you considered using fibreglass instead of plate metal for part of the superstructure? I mean if you don't plan on it getting shot at.. you could probably save a ****load of effort and money that way.

It's durable, relatively easy to work with and it's affordable so if you got hold off an existing hull I imagine you could cut years off your wild scheme.

And in closing: Best AND worst idea in the history of EVE!

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Originally by: Ruby Udders

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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 26/08/2009 09:10:29

Indeed they are. Most massproduced fibreglass boats are made using moulds (which can be quite complicated) but it is definitely doable without.

The biggest challenge would be the surfaces on a handmade fibreglass structure because unmoulded fibreglass can be a little uneven so I guess there would be quite a bit of filling/sanding needed to get it smooth.

You could research this area because I'm sure some of the fibreglass experts out there have made structures of similar size to this project.

But the upside is that an intricate wooden/fibreglass superstructure would weigh a fraction of a metal superstructure without being that much more fragile. The stiffness and durability of fibreglass is what has made it so popular for (smaller) boats in the first place. The majority of smaller boats in areas with rough sea conditions like the North Atlantic are fibreglass boats for example.

That being said I wouldn't recommend trying to create a 60 metre hull from fibreglass.

Having worked at a shipyard I'd put forward the claim that fabricating a 60 metre ship or the superstructure of a 60 metre ship from metal is not possible outside of a shipyard without risking serious safety issues because of the weight and size of the material involved.

And to the young Caldari gentleman whose line I may or may not have borrowed, I acknowledge your claim and dip my hat in your general direction.

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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if I were to just build it there and making a ship in sections based on case studies of ships with modular design are not very safe and often break up while out at sea.

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: Turiel Demon

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what part will be the bridge?

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Originally by: Ruby Udders

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To be honest I think a grey navy/camo'ish paintjob would look even better than a blank metal finish. Plus metal would be completely covered by rust inside of a month and aluminium would look pale and grimy in the long run. For a lasting pure metal finish you'd have to use stainless steel which is expensive and looks terrible when it's been sitting outside for awhile.

So.. if going for a paintjob it wouldn't matter as much what's underneath. Another plus for the fibreglass solution.

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Originally by: Khornne

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Drake anyone?

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Khornne

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Drake anyone?

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That ship has been brought up about 10 times in this thread.

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Originally by: Ruby Udders

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Edited by: Ruby Udders on 27/08/2009 23:37:24
Actually if you stay close to 30-40 metres it's definitely doable providing you get a hull beforehand and you don't mind putting in a few months/years worth of solid effort on the superstructure.

I'd say 60 metres is not realistic because it would be frickin huge! To compare a little.. it's 13 military grade Humvees parked in single file. 39 and a half Danny Devitos laid out in single file (not side by side either) or the depth of approximately 400 average sized lady-hoohahs put together.

A bit daunting no?

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Edited by: ADMR Hikari on 25/08/2009 18:38:17

Originally by: My Jebus

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The only explanation for your obsession with this stupid idea is that you must be a 40 year old virgin. All that pent up misdirected rage.

Tell you what, take like $1000 of the $20-$30 million you will need to build this disaster and get yourself a hooker. I guarantee, 2 minutes, you blow your load for the first time in a real woman, and you will look back at this idea and think to yourself, "What the hell was I thinking?"

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Another person who doesn't have the patience to read the entire thread, I already stated I am 24 years old. and sex is over rated.

~Edit~ also if your paying a hooker $1,000 then you got scammed.

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Originally by: Zaqar

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:)

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Originally by: F'nog

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Originally by: Stareatthesun

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No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.

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Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S

Originally by: F'nog

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Originally by: Stareatthesun

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No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.

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Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S

Originally by: Red Thunder

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nobody will be playing eve in 10-15 years.....so your just gona be a crazy gay with a weird looking boat :S

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Originally by: Megan Maynard

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Also, in my limited experience, the top part of this ship screams carbon fiber or fiber glass. Make the bottom heavy and use the fiberglass/carbon fiber to make the fancy details for the Rokh part of the ship. Saves you alot of weight and time.

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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This is you, isn't it:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/aug/30/20-year-old-dream-taking-shape-in-back-yard/?printer=1/

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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This is you, isn't it:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/aug/30/20-year-old-dream-taking-shape-in-back-yard/?printer=1/

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Originally by: ADMR Hikari

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Originally by: Red Thunder

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nobody will be playing eve in 10-15 years.....so your just gona be a crazy gay with a weird looking boat :S

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Yea, sure... then explain why Evercrack has been going strong for a good 10 years then? and that game is no where near as good as EvE. Ok next flamer please.

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