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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2004.12.31 18:49:00 -
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Lol old theory from keynes and even futher in our history.
As state is olding money and is the only one allowed to create it the only way to get money is interacting with state.
U can trade whatever u want to another player destroy him hunt npc or do anything else u will only get money from this states .
Coz player A got money from them and player B trading to A is getting money from A but from state. So isk wont be create they only move from one player to another. Yes ur ammount is increasing but its only ur amount other player amount gonna decrease.
Till we can produce or edit our own isk nothing will menable it. SO keep looking for but loose ur 10m fee
Yeah im caldari... and yeah im flying a megatron...
Why coz maybe now only caldary are tough enough to fly those and evryone use caldari ship...
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2004.12.31 18:49:00 -
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Lol old theory from keynes and even futher in our history.
As state is olding money and is the only one allowed to create it the only way to get money is interacting with state.
U can trade whatever u want to another player destroy him hunt npc or do anything else u will only get money from this states .
Coz player A got money from them and player B trading to A is getting money from A but from state. So isk wont be create they only move from one player to another. Yes ur ammount is increasing but its only ur amount other player amount gonna decrease.
Till we can produce or edit our own isk nothing will menable it. SO keep looking for but loose ur 10m fee
Yeah im caldari... and yeah im flying a megatron...
Why coz maybe now only caldary are tough enough to fly those and evryone use caldari ship...
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Chichis
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Posted - 2005.01.01 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Chichis on 01/01/2005 21:47:46
Wonder if Nooey ever got her 10m.
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.01.01 23:57:00 -
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Nooey should def. get the 10 mio if that move is working as posted. That is an ISK press, right there - if a slow one at that. Nooey found the only thing that could prove Keens wrong. An application flaw. A fact that Nooey himself acknowledges, as far as I can tell.
You could of course argue that the extra value for the rounding off comes from some larger entity in game = NPC. But that would be stretching it. I say pay Nooey.
The "credits guys" miss the fact that they start by moving ISK out of the game to get Credits. As someone else has also stated: Credits are in this perspective an item just as much as any other commodity. They are not ISK.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2005.01.02 11:30:00 -
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If Nooey should get the money, then we should split it. About 4-5 pages back I mentioned the theory of a game bug where a player transfers money and there is a bug and the receiving player get's more. :P
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.01.02 22:36:00 -
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Cell, what part of posting a theory constitutes any kind of proof? A theory that is, to top it off, quite evident. Nooey _prooved_ the existence of a an ISK press.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2005.01.03 08:43:00 -
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Hmm. Good point. lol
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2005.01.08 13:39:00 -
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Hum did find an ansew...
I know how to introduce a small amount of isk in game without interacting with NPC...
ITs easy as creating a new character 
Yep with each character creation u got a small amount of isk (10k isk if i can remind)
Wich is not NPC based (ur character is new no interaction...) So by creating ur charater u did introduce some isk in game 
Yeah im caldari... and yeah im flying a megatron...
Why coz maybe now only caldary are tough enough to fly those and evryone use caldari ship...
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Mangold
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Hum did find an ansew...
I know how to introduce a small amount of isk in game without interacting with NPC...
ITs easy as creating a new character
Yep with each character creation u got a small amount of isk (10k isk if i can remind)
Wich is not NPC based (ur character is new no interaction...) So by creating ur charater u did introduce some isk in game
Dofri suggested the same ON THIS SIDE. He was wrong too.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Trak Cranker
Nooey should def. get the 10 mio if that move is working as posted. That is an ISK press, right there - if a slow one at that. Nooey found the only thing that could prove Keens wrong. An application flaw. A fact that Nooey himself acknowledges, as far as I can tell.
You could of course argue that the extra value for the rounding off comes from some larger entity in game = NPC. But that would be stretching it. I say pay Nooey.
The "credits guys" miss the fact that they start by moving ISK out of the game to get Credits. As someone else has also stated: Credits are in this perspective an item just as much as any other commodity. They are not ISK.
Yeh I never got 10m. Lame. And it does work.
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Gaheris
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Posted - 2005.01.13 06:48:00 -
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back in the heady days of credits and duping, you could have created isk in the following way.
pre step 1 - you have 100,000 isk in your wallet.
step 1 - transfer 100,000 isk from wallet to hangar, creating credits.
you have 100,000 credits and no isk.
step 2 - dupe said stack of 100,000 credits.
you now have 2 stacks of 100,000 credits and no isk.
step 3 - combin said stacks of credits.
you now have 1 stack of 200,000 credits.
step 4 - put said stack of credits back in your wallet.
you now have 200,000 isk.
tadaaa!
of course, it's not possible any more, so theoretically you *could* have had an isk press. dunno if your article takes into account extinct methods of isk creation, but its worth a shot :)
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.01.13 14:11:00 -
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Why can't this thread just STFU and die  
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Deides
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Posted - 2005.01.13 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Deides on 13/01/2005 18:17:02
wont this thread die? well what else would we talk about on this forum?
Well i thought i would add my two cents to this thread, just for fun...
The problem is that most people differenciate between items/goods and credits and see them as two separate things. In accounting, if you have 10 computers that are worth 100$ each, when you do an inventory you would add 1000$ to your assets column and put computer capital as a sidenote.
In eve, since there are minerals that are freely exchanged for credits with npcs, you could say that mineal X that sells for 10isk at npcs is practically gold in itself, since you can easily sell it. I mine ore X, refine it, and sell it, and so ive just created gold. Now this is what the original post said, and i agree with him, but not entirely.
I find that people accumulate items in mmorpg's (in life too), so its only natural that the money in a market also increases so that the goods/money ratio is relatively unchanged. If the ratio increases, you have deflation, and if it decreases, you have inflation (in theory). With this said, id like to point out that you can create gold through player transactions. If goods can be rfeely excahnged for money, then in my definition the good is actually like money. So if i take ore X, and as a friend to refine it, and then sell mineral X to an npc - and then sell the mineral X to an npc, i would have in fact created isk through the transaction. Of course im assuming that the total quantity of mineral X sold gives a higher return than the quantity of ore X if sold to an npc, but thats usually the case isnt it?
You can push this further - say you take raw materials worth 1mil isk and you make a ship that sells for 5mil isk to other players. A player buys it, and insures it, then destroys it. If insured amount-fee paid is more than 1mil, youda just created credits too.
Its just a matter of blurring the line between goods and credits. Lines, which in the real world or in EVE are quite blurry in the first place. If i have a cloaking device which i can sell for 30mil isk, isnt keeping the cloaking device like keeping 30mil isk?
Well that all, im a new player to eve (1month) so if i got things wrong please dont bash me too hard :\
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