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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 12:52:00 -
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If you want your product sales to be region wide you need Visibility 5. If you dont, players will have to dock at the station that your order is at to see it. Consider it like a mom an pops gas station. Unless you see it on the road you wont know it exsits.
This alone will drop mineral prices. A miner will have to sell to a buy order. Otherwise he will have to train upto Procurement IV to get Visibility so he can have players see his sell order.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 12:52:00 -
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If you want your product sales to be region wide you need Visibility 5. If you dont, players will have to dock at the station that your order is at to see it. Consider it like a mom an pops gas station. Unless you see it on the road you wont know it exsits.
This alone will drop mineral prices. A miner will have to sell to a buy order. Otherwise he will have to train upto Procurement IV to get Visibility so he can have players see his sell order.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:41:00 -
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Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct?
CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:41:00 -
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Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct?
CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Vigilant
Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct?
CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
Well I am sorry to say yes they made selling alot harder.
If you dock yes you can sell those items within the station on the market for that station if you do not have have Visibility skill.
To sell or buy remotely you need retail for remote sells and procurement for buy skills. You do this thru the asset icon.
Remote sell/buy
Note the station I am in and where I want to sell from. Also note our max will be two weeks.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant
Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct?
CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
Well I am sorry to say yes they made selling alot harder.
If you dock yes you can sell those items within the station on the market for that station if you do not have have Visibility skill.
To sell or buy remotely you need retail for remote sells and procurement for buy skills. You do this thru the asset icon.
Remote sell/buy
Note the station I am in and where I want to sell from. Also note our max will be two weeks.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:00:00 -
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So two weeks max sell order time ? is what i see.....
Basically...if your Vis Skill is not high up (level 4 or 5 ) even in station you will not be able to see the whole region even in station ? Am I presuming correctly ?
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:00:00 -
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So two weeks max sell order time ? is what i see.....
Basically...if your Vis Skill is not high up (level 4 or 5 ) even in station you will not be able to see the whole region even in station ? Am I presuming correctly ?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:03:00 -
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The players will see only those orders from whom the seller's Visibility skill reaches them. Visibility will work opposite the way our market todays works. Soo the orders that are selling are not controlled by the buyer but by the seller.
The first sentence states "promoting your product" meaning those that are placing sell orders.
Visibility:
Skill at promoting your product effectively. Each level increases a remote sell orderĘs radius of effect from origin. Level 1 allows for range within same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for a full regional range.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:03:00 -
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The players will see only those orders from whom the seller's Visibility skill reaches them. Visibility will work opposite the way our market todays works. Soo the orders that are selling are not controlled by the buyer but by the seller.
The first sentence states "promoting your product" meaning those that are placing sell orders.
Visibility:
Skill at promoting your product effectively. Each level increases a remote sell orderĘs radius of effect from origin. Level 1 allows for range within same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for a full regional range.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:07:00 -
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Pretty tough requirements I would say... considering Vis. is 7.5 mill...and requires Procurement at level 4.....and to be good at selling it would seem you would need Vis. at least at level 4 if not 5....
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:07:00 -
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Pretty tough requirements I would say... considering Vis. is 7.5 mill...and requires Procurement at level 4.....and to be good at selling it would seem you would need Vis. at least at level 4 if not 5....
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:18:00 -
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Soo you see then. The market changes will change Eve as we know it.
I feel that most of my orders will be Buys thru out the galaxy and collect it all and sell in a a few regions.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:18:00 -
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Soo you see then. The market changes will change Eve as we know it.
I feel that most of my orders will be Buys thru out the galaxy and collect it all and sell in a a few regions.
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Dawnstar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 18:54:00 -
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Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
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Dawnstar
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Posted - 2004.10.19 18:54:00 -
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Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
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Proposal for Overhauling Manufacturing. |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dawnstar
Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
They will place buy orders. You wont get to pick and choose what sell your you will buy. Its who makes the best buy order!! A dramatic change to now.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dawnstar
Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
They will place buy orders. You wont get to pick and choose what sell your you will buy. Its who makes the best buy order!! A dramatic change to now.
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StaticW
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Posted - 2004.10.20 08:19:00 -
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You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
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StaticW
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Posted - 2004.10.20 08:19:00 -
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You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
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DX Cancri
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Posted - 2004.10.20 10:40:00 -
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To me that actually seems great, that means that beeing a trader will become a real profession. It will also remove all silly orders from the market.
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DX Cancri
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Posted - 2004.10.20 10:40:00 -
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To me that actually seems great, that means that beeing a trader will become a real profession. It will also remove all silly orders from the market.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: StaticW
You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
I placed a bug report if you are talking Shiva!
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: StaticW
You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
I placed a bug report if you are talking Shiva!
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FatSlug
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Posted - 2004.10.21 12:36:00 -
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An interesting point was raised here but not answered ( I don't think ;) ).
What happens to the exisiting buy/sell orders a player has setup? I have quite a few, but I am training the trading skills.
Will they all be removed, or will they stay until they are completed and then the new rules kick in?
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FatSlug
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Posted - 2004.10.21 12:36:00 -
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An interesting point was raised here but not answered ( I don't think ;) ).
What happens to the exisiting buy/sell orders a player has setup? I have quite a few, but I am training the trading skills.
Will they all be removed, or will they stay until they are completed and then the new rules kick in?
"Miners are just shafting the universe..." |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 -
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Well that point is soooooo valid. This will be an Dev answer cause its not fair on Shiva now. Those Castor orders are set for 3 months and they dont get taxed and you can daytrade and OMG no escrow on the buys. I believe they will warn and delete orders.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 -
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Well that point is soooooo valid. This will be an Dev answer cause its not fair on Shiva now. Those Castor orders are set for 3 months and they dont get taxed and you can daytrade and OMG no escrow on the buys. I believe they will warn and delete orders.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:07:00 -
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I could be wrong in a few cases, but I don't think anyone needs visibility 5.
By my calculations, vis 4 gives you a 20-jump range for sell orders. I don't know of any region where there is any point more than 20 jumps from any other.
Just my 0.02 isk.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:07:00 -
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I could be wrong in a few cases, but I don't think anyone needs visibility 5.
By my calculations, vis 4 gives you a 20-jump range for sell orders. I don't know of any region where there is any point more than 20 jumps from any other.
Just my 0.02 isk.
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