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Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:08:00 - [121] Quote: yeah totally questionable, despite csm meetings and fanfest presentations laying out detailed plans of what the upgrades will do and how the will effect system quality. Lets put it this way, your interpretation of how these upgrades will affect null sec is in question, not your knowledge of what they are. There is an old saying... "You give them books, and give them books, and all they do is eat the pages." ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:41:00 - [122] Originally by: Anahid Brutus ]Yeah, well, it turns out that CCP messed with the values of R64s and now the R64 that's actually the MOST abundant in Delve/querious will be the most valuble one, so I guess we'll manage after all! If this thread was about farming dumb moons that is. Only because your top leaders have multi trillions in their wallets from the current moon goo bounty. I think you will find that even though delve will still have the choicest base resource levels for whatever is around the term 'abundant' will only be used to describe the quantity of cursing from current moon goo pos operators after Dominion hits. Hope you guys milked delve for all it was worth and sucks to finally get your dream only to have it nerfed right out from underneath you. Almoast makes me wonder if bob knew about all this ahead of time and bailed not because they couldn't defend it but because they knew what was coming and decided to play an elaborate prank. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:43:00 - [123] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Anahid Brutus ]Yeah, well, it turns out that CCP messed with the values of R64s and now the R64 that's actually the MOST abundant in Delve/querious will be the most valuble one, so I guess we'll manage after all! If this thread was about farming dumb moons that is. Only because your top leaders have multi trillions in their wallets from the current moon goo bounty. I think you will find that even though delve will still have the choicest base resource levels for whatever is around the term 'abundant' will only be used to describe the quantity of cursing from current moon goo pos operators after Dominion hits. Hope you guys milked delve for all it was worth and sucks to finally get your dream only to have it nerfed right out from underneath you. Almoast makes me wonder if bob knew about all this ahead of time and bailed not because they couldn't defend it but because they knew what was coming and decided to play an elaborate prank. Uh oh, better tell bob about that prank because they're planning an invasion of Delve in just under a month now! Hm, maybe they know something we don't!
Ann Can	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:44:00 - [124] Originally by: Aurora Nyx Why is it that every single 0.0 thread turns into a cry-fest, a political debate, an e-peen stretch, or a drawn-out Goon bash ? Because goons turned into the very thing they vowed to destroy. Being exposed as the pigs in the animal farm, everyone now hates them. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Goons, the Michael Moore of Eve.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:46:00 - [125] Originally by: Anahid Brutus Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Anahid Brutus ]Yeah, well, it turns out that CCP messed with the values of R64s and now the R64 that's actually the MOST abundant in Delve/querious will be the most valuble one, so I guess we'll manage after all! If this thread was about farming dumb moons that is. Only because your top leaders have multi trillions in their wallets from the current moon goo bounty. I think you will find that even though delve will still have the choicest base resource levels for whatever is around the term 'abundant' will only be used to describe the quantity of cursing from current moon goo pos operators after Dominion hits. Hope you guys milked delve for all it was worth and sucks to finally get your dream only to have it nerfed right out from underneath you. Almoast makes me wonder if bob knew about all this ahead of time and bailed not because they couldn't defend it but because they knew what was coming and decided to play an elaborate prank. Uh oh, better tell bob about that prank because they're planning an invasion of Delve in just under a month now! Hm, maybe they know something we don't! Who said anything about bob invading delve. With the new sov mechanics they can choose whatever empty space opens up and go from there. Leave the thinking to the brain bees mate. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Saartje Sarel	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:06:00 - [126] 5 pages? Gentleman. Please. 5 pages??
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:10:00 - [127] Originally by: Saartje Sarel 5 pages? Gentleman. Please. 5 pages?? Awwww. It's not often we get to witness goonies suiciding in the gd. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Ky Vatta Majority 12	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:51:00 - [128] Someone mentioned making 0.0 more dense Sorry, Goons are dense enough already The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.10.03 23:21:00 - [129] Eve is dieing.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.03 23:21:00 - [130] Goons are Dying! There will be many wars yet to come! Everyone buy your veldspar now! -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.10.04 00:58:00 - [131] Eve is dead indeed. Has been since the launch.
Rhohan Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2009.10.04 01:59:00 - [132] Originally by: Ann Can ...Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... Time to dust off The Who, Won't get fooled again.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.04 03:09:00 - [133] Quote: The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake Both my wife and my son play EVE.... Egad, we are doomed. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.10.04 03:22:00 - [134] Originally by: Anahid Brutus Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab It's been explicitly stated by a dev that upgrades would also reveal more sites for mining. We already concluded that you have to be a special kind of stupid to bother mining in 0.0, do try to keep up Oh... uh... Ok.... I guess safe, semi-afk high-income grav site mining is relegated to us idiots.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.10.04 05:01:00 - [135] Such trolling... EVE is dying, if not dead already. Tell yourself that and go run a few lvl 4's because there's no point in moving to 0.0 when you have such an easy supply of money. The moment CCP nerf missions and bring them in line with mining people will move out to 0, until then we're deluding ourselves. Boosting missions was one of the biggest mistakes CCP made and we're all paying for it. I don't care what the effect would be on EVE but those missions need to be nerfed.
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.04 06:21:00 - [136] Originally by: Super Whopper Boosting missions was one of the biggest mistakes CCP made and we're all paying for it. I don't care what the effect would be on EVE but those missions need to be nerfed. this tbqh If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Fuse Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.10.04 06:23:00 - [137] Originally by: Venetian Tar Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Holly Hotdrop so , what do u guys thinK? your stupid No, you're stupid. I lold... 0.o It's not you... no wait it is you.
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:24:00 - [138] Edited by: Shidhe on 04/10/2009 08:26:05 Edited by: Shidhe on 04/10/2009 08:25:30 Somewhat amused about the idea that the mess with R64s did anything but harm. Conflict in 0.0 was on its way down long before now - maybe partially because of the R64s and the `too valuable to rock the boat` mentailty. Certainly the R64s did enormous harm to the viability of low sec and many 0.0 areas - thus reducing PvP, and making missions relatively more attractive. There will be few tears over the end of the super-rich exploiting the rest of the community. Dangerous ground here - people who know better may correct me I suspect that a major factor in reducing conflict in 0.0 was the huge amount of damage that could be done by corp spies (demise of BoB etc), and the annoyance that a game mechanic could in one hour wreck much that many people had worked for over a years, leading to a feeling of `why fight in the first place'.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.04 17:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Super Whopper go run a few lvl 4's because there's no point in moving to 0.0 when you have such an easy supply of money. The moment CCP nerf missions and bring them in line with mining people will move out to 0, until then we're deluding ourselves. Pretty much. For being just about 100% secure then high-sec mission running is far too profitable compared to 0.0 or even low-sec.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.04 17:57:00 - [140] Originally by: Anahid Brutus Originally by: Super Whopper go run a few lvl 4's because there's no point in moving to 0.0 when you have such an easy supply of money. The moment CCP nerf missions and bring them in line with mining people will move out to 0, until then we're deluding ourselves. Pretty much. For being just about 100% secure then high-sec mission running is far too profitable compared to 0.0 or even low-sec. This must be why the only goon activity I witnissed in the Delve area last time I ran through it was some outpost idlers and a few n00b bubble camps with a ship or three. Other than that there was nothing anywhere except lots of non-goons spaming blood missions. Though tbh those are probably goon mission *** alts grinding for blood lp. I'd say that in the week I ambled around the territory I saw much less than a hundred unique goons in the entire area colored yellow on the sov map. Hopefully Dominion will change this. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY ** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.10.05 14:04:00 - [141] I think the changes will make the 0.0 situation much more dynamic, and increase the PvP activity. It will impact on the large alliances, but they have had it far too easy for far too long. Now they will have to actively control their space, they will be forced to cut down on the extraneous territory that they don't really use. They will still want a buffer zone, but there is only so much territory you can actively control. Larger ships will have a more specialised role, as a lone patrolling carrier or dread would make a very tempting target. With more available territory, new people will be able to carve out a bit of their own, which will make 0.0 more populous, meaning more activity and combat in general. There will be a greater fluidity as alliances rise and fall with greater speed and frequency, and it will take some great co-ordination for any one group to dominate. GoonSwarm may have achieved their original goal of eliminating BoB, but in doing so, they have become BoB. They should hardly be surprised that they have become the number one target for everyone else in the game. Now certain members are whining that changes may subvert their dominance, they should take some time to appreciate how all those old BoB members felt after that alliance was decimated (no, I'm not a former BoB member, but I do enjoy the irony). POS shooting always was as dull as the game got, and territory was too easy to hold on to. CCP have taken a few chances in changing this, but I suspect the long term is going to prove beneficial to more people.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:16:00 - [142] Originally by: Ratchman I think the changes will make the 0.0 situation much more dynamic, and increase the PvP activity. It will impact on the large alliances, but they have had it far too easy for far too long. Now they will have to actively control their space, they will be forced to cut down on the extraneous territory that they don't really use. They will still want a buffer zone, but there is only so much territory you can actively control. Larger ships will have a more specialised role, as a lone patrolling carrier or dread would make a very tempting target. With more available territory, new people will be able to carve out a bit of their own, which will make 0.0 more populous, meaning more activity and combat in general. There will be a greater fluidity as alliances rise and fall with greater speed and frequency, and it will take some great co-ordination for any one group to dominate. GoonSwarm may have achieved their original goal of eliminating BoB, but in doing so, they have become BoB. They should hardly be surprised that they have become the number one target for everyone else in the game. Now certain members are whining that changes may subvert their dominance, they should take some time to appreciate how all those old BoB members felt after that alliance was decimated (no, I'm not a former BoB member, but I do enjoy the irony). POS shooting always was as dull as the game got, and territory was too easy to hold on to. CCP have taken a few chances in changing this, but I suspect the long term is going to prove beneficial to more people. Come on, holding space is as easy as ever. The only change here is that you can no longer defend simply by spamming towers in Sov4 constellations. There are still cyno jammers and jump bridges. If you really think this will change 0.0, then you're ****ing delusional. Oh yeah and see how the devblog today said pretty much exactly what I said? Again, why bother upgrading systems when there are so many perfect(in terms of ratting/exploration) systems to pick from already?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:36:00 - [143] Originally by: Anahid Brutus Come on, holding space is as easy as ever. The only change here is that you can no longer defend simply by spamming towers in Sov4 constellations. There are still cyno jammers and jump bridges. If you really think this will change 0.0, then you're **ing delusional. Oh yeah and see how the devblog today said pretty much exactly what I said? Again, why bother upgrading systems when there are so many perfect(in terms of ratting/exploration) systems to pick from already? Well I have certainly read all the dev blogs on the subject and to quote a favorite movie quip of mine: "I don't think those dev blogs mean what you think they mean." Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY ** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Erick Odin Amarr UNIX ALLSTARS	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:44:00 - [144] will somebody explain why it makes sense from a rp perspective that to earn more isk you need to move to the boonies? in rl, you go to the civilized, secure, populous areas.
Varilinda	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:51:00 - [145] Edited by: Varilinda on 05/10/2009 18:53:43
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:53:00 - [146] Originally by: Erick Odin will somebody explain why it makes sense from a rp perspective that to earn more isk you need to move to the boonies? in rl, you go to the civilized, secure, populous areas. Irl gold and diamond mines are usually out in the boonies and earn the owners(corp/alliance leaders) moar money than some cushy office job in a high rise tower. Moon mines are the irl gold and diamond mines and still will be to some extent after Dominion. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Dillon Arklight Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:44:00 - [147] Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 05/10/2009 19:45:11 I can somewhat see where the OP is coming from at least looking in the past. There was a time when resources were the main reason why alliances fought (the 77S8 complex comes to mind). However with exploration as it is and the "randomness" of complex locations, then resources ,unless were talking about moon minerals, play a small part in the reason why alliances go to war. If anything the ability to enhance your space through Economic, Industrial and Military upgrades will only make your space seem like a more attractive target for your neighbours. Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:00:00 - [148] Quote: I can somewhat see where the OP is coming from at least looking in the past. There was a time when resources were the main reason why alliances fought (the 77S8 complex comes to mind). However with exploration as it is and the "randomness" of complex locations, then resources ,unless were talking about moon minerals, play a small part in the reason why alliances go to war. If anything the ability to enhance your space through Economic, Industrial and Military upgrades will only make your space seem like a more attractive target for your neighbours. Except your neighbors will have the exact same upgrades, and so will every other piece of space in the ****ing game. Those upgrades will be cyno jammer + jb upgrade by the way, no one will be dumb enough to waste time or isk on the pirate beacon or mining whatever, there's so much high-quality space available to rat/mine in already that it would simply be a waste. Anyway, no one else at all find it interesting to see that as space is becoming more and more homogeneous that we see less conflicts? Nah, probably a coincidence...
Dillon Arklight Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:22:00 - [149] A lot depends upon the cost for alliances to hold systems. If the cost is so high that alliances are forced to cut back their space then that allows new alliances to gain footholds into 0.0. The more alliances/corps in 0.0 the more potential friction from which conflicts can arise. Maybe the reason that conflicts have seemed to be in decline now is that alliances are waiting to see what the new sovereignty changes will do to 0.0 Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:30:00 - [150] Originally by: Dillon Arklight A lot depends upon the cost for alliances to hold systems. If the cost is so high that alliances are forced to cut back their space then that allows new alliances to gain footholds into 0.0. The more alliances/corps in 0.0 the more potential friction from which conflicts can arise. Maybe the reason that conflicts have seemed to be in decline now is that alliances are waiting to see what the new sovereignty changes will do to 0.0 Or maybe space is already so generic and plentiful(apart from a couple R64s that are actually being fought over right now) that no one can be bothered mounting an invasion. I really don't see that changing by enabling players to customize exactly how generic they want their space to be.

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