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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 24/10/2009 09:02:37
Ha! Ha! That L T is sure getting around ...
As much as a lot of us would love to see Math Boy get some ... it's to the shows credit that "he's just a friend" ... poor math boy ...
Ah well ... for an episode we all knew the conclusion of, it didn't do that badly. I liked the crowd control solution the CO came up with. No one would mob the shuttle until the last name was called in case it was them and he had people in place with guns to keep that from happening.
Of course the whole Gravity sling shot at the end was horse ****. Yes. If you are a current day human space craft that measures it's time to cross a solar system in years - the gravity assist really helps. For some Ancients craft ... how much speed could it add? 1) The idea that the shuttle wouldn't have the normal space speed to catch up with the mother ship is lame - and - 2) we've already seen a shuttle leave the ships deck DURING FTL. So you would think the shuttles have FTL as well.
Oh yeah and the little silliness there at the end about Rush knowing what was going to happen was moronic. That was lame ass writers creating a conflict that would not have existed. Just stupid.
Oh well ... there wasn't anything else better to watch on. I think the History Channel had on something about Tofu ...
Actually, since they repeated last weeks episode ... I could probably get by with just watching every other week and stay current on what's happening.
*shrug*
Oh ... and about my space battles - if you like a story about a bunch of morons try their best NOT to survive by squabbling amongst each other - congratulations - you've got it! I'd rather have my space battles ...
Oh! Oh! SG:SG-1 is on - Amanda here I come!
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.24 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 24/10/2009 09:25:45
 Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: goodby4u
Called it. 
It wasn't all that difficult a prediction.
Considering the ship is the main character of the show and as such is pretty much safe from death (unless of course a time travel or alternate universe plot comes up, which has a 100% chance of occuring if the show survives for more then one season).
So far it seems SyFy canceled a show about people in a far off galaxy with limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate, to create a show about...people in a very far off galaxy with very limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate. Can't really expect them to come up with original ideas, or atleast ones that are not so horribly predicable that you can guess the whole plot based on the preview alone.
Still, I called it. 
As far as the episode went, absolutely nothing happened worth mentioning besides the senator's daughter is a ***** and math boy is good at math... Oh and rush is a ****.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.24 14:25:00 -
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1. the actress that plays Chloe needs acting lessons. Seriously.
2. In my opinion the "we're all going to die so lets send 15 people off!" was too soon in the show for my tastes. We havenÆt connected to any of the characters (save maybe math boy) to really care who lived or who died.
3. Destiny can fly into a sun to replenish its energy... so then why has the ship taken such a pounding? Surely if the shields are powerful enough so that those on the inside didnÆt notice an increase of heat or the turbulence from the sun and so forth surely the shields would be powerful enough to laugh at anything thrown at them both natural and artificially created.
4. The idea of Rush knowing all along was weak in my opinion. If he knew he would have shown off and wouldnÆt have risked losing the supplies (he's self serving). Hell if I had been accused of knowing but not saying anything id just give the guy a dirty look and walk off not bothering to say anything either.
5. Id say the only pro in this list was that Greer (the soldier with an attitude problem) mellowed out some, though this may have just been due to facing his death.
I do have to hand it to the writers though in regards to setting up the first six episodes (the next one, according to gateworld deals with the water problem) with the crew having to literally acquire all the basic needs for life on a ship, ie air, power and water. It gives the feeling that, quite literally, they were not prepared.
Hopefully the input from nelson families and fans is having an affect on episodes not yet written and hopefully these episodes will be aired before the mid season break otherwise I doubt the show will make it past season 1.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:55:00 -
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So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
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Dansel
Gallente
Omega-Fleet
Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:15:00 -
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Although I do somewhat enjoy the series, I have to say that this ain't Science Fiction, it's more DramaFiction.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Heavens Gate Consortium
Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.24 19:02:00 -
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DramaFiction set in space, agreed. But is that a bad thing? BSG pulled it off well, and I think SGU has made a good start too.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:09:00 -
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All depends on whether or not you like Drama Fiction. I don't.
I put up with a lot to see space battles and BSG had some good ones, I also liked a lot of the actors/characters. I thought they did a good job of what the writers told them to do.
But drama for drama's sake is lame. There should be enough drama in going into space and facing an unending series of unknown dangers - without turning the show into "Survivor/Lost - In Space(!)" Interminable character squabbling is a waste of story time. Some of it is to be expected - but to have personality conflicts the bulk of what the show is really about ... just makes me want to vomit.
You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
Of course ... what I love or hate is of no importance to the studio executives who are trying to figure out how to milk the very last dime of advertising revenue they can out of a show - but I still don't have to like it.
As I've said, there isn't much else that's on and this show does have a space ship in it, so I'll probably watch for a while the same way I did with BSG just to see what happens ... but ... there's no rerun value in that.
But whatever - if you enjoy it - good for you.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Heavens Gate Consortium
Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
No. SGU does not resemble a reality show in any way, shape, or form.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.24 22:27:00 -
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you know the start of this episode almost made me stop watching, way too much drama not enough sci-fi
but after rush chilled a bit, the story was actually pretty good even though i called it from the start it was watchable, with the old science spark at the end between rush and maths boy
i don't know why the hell they added the whole "did you know that" thing it was such a stupid plot to put in just becuase they could, much better left alone if you ask me.
and they did not leave this epidode hinged onto the other, so i am looking forward now to the next installment, i am all for drama but they need to remember this is a sci fi, and girls crying and people raging is not the most awesome thing we want to see, we want to see that mixed with spaceships\!!
although i did love when the dude who's name i can't remember played smack down on the guy trying to start a riot! :)
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
No. SGU does not resemble a reality show in any way, shape, or form.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Have you even been watching?
A reality show with lots of contrived drama rama is exactly what it is like.
Now - as to the reason for the little "did he know" - that is because we are already encountering SG:U dogma.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had dogma - i.e. - No One Shall Ever Be Happy, and other things.
SG:U has Dogma - i.e. - Rush's Motives Must Always Be In Question.
It's asinine in both cases as dogma usually is - but - there you have it - plan on seeing this lots more. If they did this here - they will do it again and again and again.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:14:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship. 
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.25 05:39:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
See that is the thing. It's like they wanted the tech to be pre-Atlantis with the look of everything (not being crystal based and all), but then gave it that advanced FTL and shields that are way beyond the level of the Ancient warships that showed up in Atlantis.
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.25 05:49:00 -
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I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
It didnt actually run out of power, it just took nearly every last drop of it to power the shield when it came into the sun. If you think about it for a moment any intelligent designer would allow power to continue to flow to artifical gravity in situations like that otherwise the crew would be at the mercy of the ship moving around suddenly and so forth.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
See that is the thing. It's like they wanted the tech to be pre-Atlantis with the look of everything (not being crystal based and all), but then gave it that advanced FTL and shields that are way beyond the level of the Ancient warships that showed up in Atlantis.
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
I'm sure there will be a whole episode dedicated to sorting that up.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.25 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 25/10/2009 12:09:51
Originally by: Lance Fighter
I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
I don't think there are (space) ship yard built, the Goauld used gravity powered yards and pyramids, even earths first Starship, the Prometheus was built under ground. The tech probably just skipped that phase.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.10.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: goodby4u
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
first thing i thought myself.
if it ends up being that predictable and stupid. i'm going to ragequit on my television
...que ragequit and deprogramming of this terrible television show from my DVR.
I gave it a chance, and as bad as i want to have a cool scifi show to look forward to on friday, i'm not this desperate.
i'd rather watch paint dry than to subject myself to another minute of this dry corporate 'dark and gritty' absolutely-uninspired regurgitated and repackaged ****.
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Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Wendat Huron
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
Nah it sounds more like it was way befoe that, defo predates atlantis, ie does not seem to have any of the ancient gene to operate the equipment or run on ZPMs .
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Gaborelle
Gallente
Final Conflict UK
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:11:00 -
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the ship has been flying for hundreds of thousands of years
the ancients only learned how to accend somewhere in the last ten thousand years
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaborelle
the ship has been flying for hundreds of thousands of years
the ancients only learned how to accend somewhere in the last ten thousand years
The opening scene of Stargate Atlantis, is the City with the caption, "Several Million Years ago", and since the creators stated the Ship is pre-Atlantean (that's why the gate is a basic version!), therefore the ship is substantially older than hundreds of thousands of years.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.28 05:06:00 -
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Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:06:00 -
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It's so slow paced, not enough story going on, they need more threads.
Also the paranoia, why isn't anyone asking themselves that if he knew before hand, what was his gain from putting random people on a shuttle? He wants Destiny all for himself in the end? To what end, what is Destiny without other people?
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly".
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: F'nog
Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly".
I'd imagine any advanced basic shuttle computer would have certain manoeuvres built into it, and since Eli worked out the maths in a little under 10 seconds (probably without knowing accurate gravimetric readings of the planet BTW) the shuttle should easily have done the calculations.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:43:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: F'nog
Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly".
I'd imagine any advanced basic shuttle computer would have certain manoeuvres built into it, and since Eli worked out the maths in a little under 10 seconds (probably without knowing accurate gravimetric readings of the planet BTW) the shuttle should easily have done the calculations.
I dont recall the exact scene but he was on the destiny so wouldnt it be logical to assume he was using the destinys computer to do the calculations?
Another thing to consider is ancient technology uses crystal based computers as opposed to magnetic and based on the previous two shows size, color and shape play a factor in how the crystal works in relation to the computer or system (case in point, atlantis had the only control crystal capable of dialing to earth). My point to this is that size matters in terms of computing power for ancient computers and the shuttle likely lacks the size to house a computer of needed size for stuff other than basic commands.
That said it would be logical to assume some sort of communication between the shuttle and destiny can occur but because they havent unlocked all of destiny's systems such a system may be inactive.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 17:10:32
Originally by: Jacob Mei
I dont recall the exact scene but he was on the destiny so wouldnt it be logical to assume he was using the destinys computer to do the calculations?
Another thing to consider is ancient technology uses crystal based computers as opposed to magnetic and based on the previous two shows size, color and shape play a factor in how the crystal works in relation to the computer or system (case in point, atlantis had the only control crystal capable of dialing to earth). My point to this is that size matters in terms of computing power for ancient computers and the shuttle likely lacks the size to house a computer of needed size for stuff other than basic commands.
That said it would be logical to assume some sort of communication between the shuttle and destiny can occur but because they havent unlocked all of destiny's systems such a system may be inactive.
But yet, those are outrageous assumptions to make. An advanced spaceships shuttle not big enough to house the computers of NASA in 1968-9 maybe, but what you said, just nonsense. Wait he's doing the calculations on destiny's computer? but they don't have access? but they do have access, Rush just unlocked comms between the Destiny and Shuttle, but they don't have access? (They also sent the path to the shuttle from destiny anyway, showing that the shuttle did have a data connection with the ship!) See nonsense.
The fact is, anybody who builds an advanced computer for an advanced shuttle would include basic manoeuvres like using a planet to build up speed, almost every unmanned space craft sent to other planets has had to use slingshot manoeuvres, and any spaceship with an advanced enough computer would have to have this installed. Taking along math boy and getting him to update calculations every 10 seconds would be the death of a ship.
Plot holes big enough to fly that big arse shuttle through.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Heavens Gate Consortium
Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:53:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Also the paranoia, why isn't anyone asking themselves that if he knew before hand, what was his gain from putting random people on a shuttle? He wants Destiny all for himself in the end? To what end, what is Destiny without other people?
The only thing I can think of is that it's 17 fewer mouths to feed. But when you consider that he gave those 17 mouths all the food, it falls apart. Another possibility is like Young said in the previous episode: he's just starting fires so he can be the hero and put them out. It's a hell of a risk to take though, letting all those supplies fly away, as well as your only working shuttle.
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Reiisha
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
But yet, those are outrageous assumptions to make. An advanced spaceships shuttle not big enough to house the computers of NASA in 1968-9 maybe, but what you said, just nonsense. Wait he's doing the calculations on destiny's computer? but they don't have access? but they do have access, Rush just unlocked comms between the Destiny and Shuttle, but they don't have access? (They also sent the path to the shuttle from destiny anyway, showing that the shuttle did have a data connection with the ship!) See nonsense.
The fact is, anybody who builds an advanced computer for an advanced shuttle would include basic manoeuvres like using a planet to build up speed, almost every unmanned space craft sent to other planets has had to use slingshot manoeuvres, and any spaceship with an advanced enough computer would have to have this installed. Taking along math boy and getting him to update calculations every 10 seconds would be the death of a ship.
Plot holes big enough to fly that big arse shuttle through.
They don't have access to the core systems. Basic life support, energy, shields/structural integrity. Look at it as having a guest account on any windows pc. You can still use calculator and a browser, but you can't mess around with deep settings like drivers, registry etc.
They didn't need communications before, and had much more pressing needs. It stands to reason that they didn't bother with comms untill they actually needed it.
Also, no one on the shuttle knew *how* to do those calculations. They knew how to fly it but not how to use the computers.
What plot holes? So far they're doing a pretty good job. I think most people complaining about the show are the standard forum trolls looking for something to do.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Jacob Mei
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Originally by: Xen Gin
stuff.
Unfortunately I didnÆt have time to go over my own **** so ill try to specify (was on lunch break so I apologize).
How Eli worked the info: They are not completely locked out of DestinyÆs systems and I used the term locked out sparingly (as it is more due to ignorance of how the systems work as opposed to actually being locked out of the systems). This has been demonstrated repeatedly in the show with things like accessing databases and what not, all it takes it playing with the systems to get an idea on how they work.
From Gateworld.net: Quote:
designed to be a follow-up craft to numerous ships which preceded it in the universe. These other ships were sent out to gather data, resources, manufacture Stargates and deposit them on habitable worlds. Thus there may be hundreds to thousands of isolated Stargate networks in the universe.
Destiny possesses knowledge on the composition and resources of these worlds to aid the crew in retrieving the necessary supplies. All that is necessary are the proper queries to the database.
It is logical to assume that these ships transmit the information back to destiny and destiny (ie destiny functions as a huge server). Information needed for the slingshot maneuver would likely have been sent to destiny by these ships (which would explain how destiny was able to pull off the ôreverse slingshotö it did) and thus Eli may have simply requested the proper information. Granted this is making several assumptions but I would argue these are logical ones.
Why the shuttle didnÆt have the information: Lets pretend we are ancients for a minute. You have sent unmanned ships out to explore the universe, take down info, and seed stargates. You build destiny to then go follow those ships, receive that information and generally watch out for itself while uninhabited (this means keeping track of any information that may be needed for the ships survival as well as the survival of the crew later on). It does not make sense to put on the shuttle a computer advanced enough to store that information when the destiny can transmit the exact numbers to it.
You may argue that a sling shot is relatively easy to do but keep in mind that the shuttle arrived at the exact spot it needed to be (generally lined up with destiny) instead of being plus or minus 30 degrees.
Why didnÆt the shuttle automatically make the maneuver? Plot hole, the shuttle wasnÆt receiving the uplink automatically, it was never meant to be automatic, take your pick it made for in the writers mind good tv drama.
If we want to talk about plot holes here are a few (at least until their answered):
Stargates draw their power from the dialing gate then what is the point of the ship having to be within range of a gate to begin with?
If the ships sheilds can survive litterally entering a sun then why is there even hull damage to begin with? Surely if the ships shields are that powerful then anything man made wouldnt be able to breach them.
On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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