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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.03 04:12:00 -
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Well... I saw it.
The only thing I kept thinking while watching it was...
"Is this a Battlestar Galactica remake?"
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.03 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Well... I saw it.
The only thing I kept thinking while watching it was...
"Is this a Battlestar Galactica remake?"
Im watching the rerun of it now and yeah, it has a distinct Galactica flavor, which isnt surprising how big of a hit Galactica was. I wont be surprised if the next few Scifi shows have similar elements.
Speaking of Galactica, Caprica comes out Jan 22 so maybe there might be something worth while to watch on fridays again soon. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.03 04:28:00 -
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i enjoyed the 2hour(including commercials) first episode. built a strong foundation for all of the characters, some classics used straight away. The writing style deff should get a rise on the bsg front. thinking it'll be worth watching the next few episodes =)
left me wanting more tbh =) good buildup, hope they can keep that momentum SSDC HOME|||SSDC WANTS YOU |
Kravick Drasani
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Posted - 2009.10.03 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 03/10/2009 04:38:25 I watched it. Yeah, I totally see the BSG elements here. I also see a lot of Star Trek: Voyager elements, but with a lot less technobabble.
The plot, I fear, is also going to be extremely predictable. The timer thing that (most likely) determines how long they have to explore planets is going to be the cause of certain people getting left behind and stranded. More than likely a few episodes are going to have the scouting parties just barely make it back in time before the ship goes back into FTL mode as well. I'm sure there will also be more predictable shenanigans relating to that timer like it getting broken or some spacial anomaly throws it off and they actually have less time on a planet then originally anticipated or some such scenario.
I'm hoping it turns out good though. SG:Atlantis was "ok" but wasn't nearly as good as SG:1 and the ending to BSG ticked me off so much that it made me hate the entire series. On top of that Doctor Who hasn't aired here in months so I'm starting to have withdraws on my sci fi fix! Nothing else has been worth watching IMO. -
Originally by: Rilwar If you want to nag on warp speed, how about the question of "Why does my Crow manage to go 9.5AU/s for 2 seconds during a 9AU jump?"
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Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.03 04:56:00 -
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****in' Atlantis SUCKED. It was out and out TERRRRRRIBLE. The first show only worked because of the actors' chemistry, it was horribly cheesy and cliche, and McGuyver held it together.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.03 05:00:00 -
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It looks like voyager, bsg, and 24 all rolled into one.
I absolutely hate most of the characters, and the severe lack of space battles to make up for a bad series might kill them.
However I will stay tuned, unfortunately the first episode didn't reveal much more then a basic plot.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.03 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani Edited by: Kravick Drasani on 03/10/2009 04:38:25 I watched it. Yeah, I totally see the BSG elements here. I also see a lot of Star Trek: Voyager elements, but with a lot less technobabble.
The plot, I fear, is also going to be extremely predictable. The timer thing that (most likely) determines how long they have to explore planets is going to be the cause of certain people getting left behind and stranded. More than likely a few episodes are going to have the scouting parties just barely make it back in time before the ship goes back into FTL mode as well. I'm sure there will also be more predictable shenanigans relating to that timer like it getting broken or some spacial anomaly throws it off and they actually have less time on a planet then originally anticipated or some such scenario.
I'm hoping it turns out good though. SG:Atlantis was "ok" but wasn't nearly as good as SG:1 and the ending to BSG ticked me off so much that it made me hate the entire series. On top of that Doctor Who hasn't aired here in months so I'm starting to have withdraws on my sci fi fix! Nothing else has been worth watching IMO.
Personally I thought the Galactica ending was the best choice and the most realistic (technology put the remaining human population through hell for four years, if you were in their position would you really be gun ho to use technology after finally being freed of it attacking you?).
I cant say there are really any Voyager elements other than they are on a space ship trying to get back home and that the obvious premise means that encountering the same type of "aliens" will be small. The Voyager crew had control of their ship to go where they wanted, kept to the ideals of the federation (personally I would have said **** the prime directive) and they somehow managed to keep from dealing with the real tough things.
The time limit I agree is going to be a recuring theme, though the very nature of the stargate network leads me to believe that at some point it will become a non issue in the second or third season (ie at some point their hopefully going to figure out its a good idea to give everyone a list of stargates along the ships route so they can meet up with the ship at a later date).
The one thing I really hope they do is completely and utterly abandon past races. No Ancients, no Asgard, no Wraith, No ghould, Jaffa or anything remotely resembling them. Seriously that would be the quickest way to kill this shoe after establishing that they are billions of lightyears out.
I have to admit im a bit more interested in this show now after having seeing the first episode, but im not going to fall into the support camp for awhile. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.03 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u It looks like voyager, bsg, and 24 all rolled into one.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.03 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Personally I thought the Galactica ending was the best choice and the most realistic (technology put the remaining human population through hell for four years, if you were in their position would you really be gun ho to use technology after finally being freed of it attacking you?).
Well the problem is, that it is not an actual solution to anything. I could see some immature little children rejecting all technology, because some applications proved to be catastrophic, but not adult thinking human beings.
At best it only achieves turning back the clock. It also makes sure that all the lessons learned will be forgotten and assures the same mistakes will be repeated later on. Not to mention you have to ignore all the suffering, effort and work those advancements took to discover and how huge positive affects they have on the quality of life. You would also have to ignore the fact, that when people have information and knowledge of something dangerous and harmful, they will try to avoid it.
The best example might be the terminator series. If the problem is true AI, the obvious solution is to not create any true AIs and make precautions, so humans will in the future stay in complete control. The future portraited by the dune -series would be an alternative option, since something similar happened there. It doesn't make sense to abandon all knowledge and useful machinery, since they were actually a reason they could survive the cataclysm.
Technology is in an important sense the power of human species. Abandoning it would be like abandoning all your skills, knowledge and position of power, so you can be at the mercy of outside forces. To me a more realistic option would have been to try and learn all you could and achieve a position where you could minimize and counter past problems.
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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2009.10.03 10:02:00 -
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This did seem kind of like BSG/Stargate to me also. I even thought rush reminded me of baltar a little.
As for BSG, I liked the ending. No spare parts, ships that remind you of bad times, yea I can see them abandoning most of it.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.03 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Personally I thought the Galactica ending was the best choice and the most realistic (technology put the remaining human population through hell for four years, if you were in their position would you really be gun ho to use technology after finally being freed of it attacking you?).
Well the problem is, that it is not an actual solution to anything. I could see some immature little children rejecting all technology, because some applications proved to be catastrophic, but not adult thinking human beings.
At best it only achieves turning back the clock. It also makes sure that all the lessons learned will be forgotten and assures the same mistakes will be repeated later on. Not to mention you have to ignore all the suffering, effort and work those advancements took to discover and how huge positive affects they have on the quality of life. You would also have to ignore the fact, that when people have information and knowledge of something dangerous and harmful, they will try to avoid it.
The best example might be the terminator series. If the problem is true AI, the obvious solution is to not create any true AIs and make precautions, so humans will in the future stay in complete control. The future portraited by the dune -series would be an alternative option, since something similar happened there. It doesn't make sense to abandon all knowledge and useful machinery, since they were actually a reason they could survive the cataclysm.
Technology is in an important sense the power of human species. Abandoning it would be like abandoning all your skills, knowledge and position of power, so you can be at the mercy of outside forces. To me a more realistic option would have been to try and learn all you could and achieve a position where you could minimize and counter past problems.
The problem is your ignoring that the pinnacle of technology killed all but 28k of humanity (and that number kept getting cut down to what, 18k or something by series end?) out of several billion. We have plenty of examples of after a certain technology is used to commit mass horror or wrong its generally shirked away from (ie gas chambers as a form of execution was stopped after WW2 in the US, you wont find high powered water cannons in a riot police arsenal in the US either). Now imagine if a piece of technology came along and wiped all but a fraction of humanity out and pursued them for four years? Do you really think the survivors would want a constant reminder like that?
Yes a lot of lessons were forgotten as a result but I think its very human to decide to abandon something and ultimately be doomed to repeat it when something of that magnitude hits.
Also in regards to your example I have not read the Dune series myself (I mean too but never seem to have the time) how far did the Butlerian Jihad get in destroying out humanity (the wiki doesnĘt give any numbers)?
Think of the situation from a technical stand point as well. Look at the skill sets you have of the survivors. You had viper pilots, star ship captains, lawyers, industry workers, doctors who cant whip up medicine but relies on a ready supply, all the skill sets of a modern (if not future like) society. Where are all the skill sets and machinery needed to allow that level of civilization to continue? IE the black smiths, factory machine builders (where are the blue prints for that matter!) the pharmacists (the actual guys who make the medicine), carpenters and so forth. When you consider that they lacks these skills or have very few of them you really see that any attempt to rebuild from a lifestyle they knew would be futile.
Originally by: Crewman Jenkins This did seem kind of like BSG/Stargate to me also. I even thought rush reminded me of baltar a little.
Hopefully not a Baltar/Rodeny hybrid though, that would be crap. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Grek Forto
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Posted - 2009.10.03 16:03:00 -
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The pilot made me feel a bit, disappointed. They introduced the characters pretty well but I find them to be a bit bland. But any opinion I might have on the series is something I'll keep to myself until I've watched a couple of episodes.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.03 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 03/10/2009 18:51:08 It was a major disappointment. Metal drama and whining for 90 minutes. Uniteresting characters, no story, no science fiction and sheer boredom.
It's a serious letdown.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen It's a serious letdown.
YOu were obviously expecting something other than "Generic TV scifi trash" and thus the letdown is your own fault. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.03 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Sader Rykane Well... I saw it.
The only thing I kept thinking while watching it was...
"Is this a Battlestar Galactica remake?"
Im watching the rerun of it now and yeah, it has a distinct Galactica flavor, which isnt surprising how big of a hit Galactica was. I wont be surprised if the next few Scifi shows have similar elements.
Speaking of Galactica, Caprica comes out Jan 22 so maybe there might be something worth while to watch on fridays again soon.
I vaguely recall a series of movies called Star Wars that were also hits in their day, why don't we see those emulated more often? No it's the renaissance fair gone native in an assortment of huts and shantys with none of the sense of architecure and costume that gnome Lucas actually has.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.10.03 20:00:00 -
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I liked it. The senator's daughter is hot. I'd like to make her pregnant.
Robert Carlyle is the one off-factor. I can't stop seeing Begbie. I'm pining for the moment when he smashes a bottle over an alien's head.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.03 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I liked it. The senator's daughter is hot. I'd like to make her pregnant.
You don't have high standars now do you?
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.03 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Karma on 03/10/2009 21:27:19 they've used a style of filming that is *very* similar to Battlestar Galactica. both with the grittiness and the 'rabble, rabble-rabble' and political in-fighting. ("i'm the leader!", "no! I am!", "Nay! me!") they even have a token Dr. Baltar-type character.
token guest-appearances were waaaay too short, too :(
beyond that, it might get good.
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.03 21:42:00 -
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Well they dealt with what *I* thought was the main deal breaker (well at least for me that is).
Not just dialing back home and to TBH they did it in a way that was beating your head in with it.
I don't really see much of a BSG theme TBH, its darker than the other SG series or most TV SciFi but thats pretty much that. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
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Posted - 2009.10.03 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani I also see a lot of Star Trek: Voyager elements, but with a lot less technobabble.
Very interesting that
I was a bit disappointed. I thought there were many cliches. Especially the senator and his sacrifice was full of them: The annoying politician. The annoying person who then becomes the hero. The problem that can only be solved by someone committing suicide. And haven't we seen the "going into shuttle closing door" sacrifice before?
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.03 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gieron The problem that can only be solved by someone committing suicide. And haven't we seen the "going into shuttle closing door" sacrifice before?
I was thinking .. "you got these floating balls you can control... why not push the required buttons with them? O'neill and Sheppard would've figured it out (because they'd think it would be fun!)"
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Corywyn
Caldari SWARTA
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Posted - 2009.10.03 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Karma
Originally by: Gieron The problem that can only be solved by someone committing suicide. And haven't we seen the "going into shuttle closing door" sacrifice before?
I was thinking .. "you got these floating balls you can control... why not push the required buttons with them? O'neill and Sheppard would've figured it out (because they'd think it would be fun!)"
Shepphard would have used a Golf approach though ... All in all, I liked the pilot and hope that the series is at least better than the 2nd half of SG:A :]
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.03 22:34:00 -
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it was not awesome, however it was not bad, and i am glad to see they brought some of there ancient tech with them, although we dont know what the good ole dock really done when he took over his body on earth!
ill be staying tuned in and hoping :)
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.03 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 03/10/2009 22:39:47 I thought it was OK, the characters for me are a let down, Eli and Rush are ok, everyone else is meh, and I can do without the 10 minutes of crying, and a sex scene 17 minutes in.
The style is ok and the CGI is superb, Stargate boundary pushing as usual.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.03 23:04:00 -
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Not impressed. It was not-bad enough for me to watch a few more episodes, but it's nothing special. ____________________
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.03 23:26:00 -
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I'm curious as to how they expect to dial back to the ship from the planet... -----
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MX555
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Posted - 2009.10.04 02:25:00 -
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1. It was a little better than I expected. 2. The doctor either has not really talk to O'neill or O'neill told him to get his but back and he "hung up on him." 3. The doctor is the one who probably lead the attackers to the planets with some sorta tracking device, so they would attack and blow up the planet. Of course he did not tell them the planet would blow up, cause he already new it would take that much power to make the gate work.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2009.10.04 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 02:33:56 At least they killed off the politician in the first episode. Too bad they didn't have a couple of lawyers they could fire out an air lock...
And they never talk about where they can take a dump or what's to eat on these shows. Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And I didn't see any tampon dispensers either...
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.04 04:23:00 -
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ok watched this and i have to admit some of it was funny and other was ike ok that sucked but the best bit is how do they get back tothe ship after using the star gate. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Epegi Givo
Amarr Araja clan
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Posted - 2009.10.04 04:58:00 -
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why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die. __________________________
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.04 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 02:40:11 At least they killed off the politician in the first episode. Too bad they didn't have a couple of lawyers they could fire out an air lock...
And they never talk about basic life necessities on these shows.
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Crazy crap...
Like not paying attention?
Lack of water, mentioned... Food, mentioned... Toilet paper, they had a create if it.
Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets
Atlantis, which was ancient-made, had showers and toilets... (though I don't think we ever see one?)... and so, apparently, did their other ancient ships.
however, this ship was designed to be unmanned.. so who knows?
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.04 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karma
Originally by: nahtoh Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets
Atlantis, which was ancient-made, had showers and toilets... (though I don't think we ever see one?)... and so, apparently, did their other ancient ships.
however, this ship was designed to be unmanned.. so who knows?
Actually it was designed to hold ancients, they simply didn't use it as they already ascended... So it roams through space doing stuff without them.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:48:00 -
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If the ship was designed to be entirely unmanned, there wouldn't be a life support system. Or corridors or doorways or consoles, etc. ____________________
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.04 10:53:00 -
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Just fininshed watching it. It wasn't anything special, but not bad either. The biggest problems were, that not much actually happened, the needlesly sacrifice of one crew member and mostly annoying cast of people.
Mostly flashbacks and stretching very little actual happenings to last over an hour. I hope they can do better in actual episodes. Without the needles sacrifice side plot, it would have been boring. And they used the most horribad way to create needless drama. Why the **** didn't you use the god damn remotes you paraded for the viewers just minutes before bringing up the problem. Did they forget to watch their own show? This obvious plot hole is the thing that worries me the most. If they let this go through in a pilot, we can expect similar things to come.
About the characters. The four characters I liked were mathboy, the doctor, the commander and the medic. Not enough to remember their names though. Rest of the people seemed more like random civilians then professionals part of this kind of project. Special mention goes for soldier angry ****, who wouldn't have made through basic psychological evaluation let alone be asigned to a project that important. I guess there is room for character growth though.
The next few episodes need to do better than this.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 04/10/2009 11:21:06
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Just fininshed watching it. It wasn't anything special, but not bad either. The biggest problems were, that not much actually happened, the needlesly sacrifice of one crew member and mostly annoying cast of people.
Mostly flashbacks and stretching very little actual happenings to last over an hour. I hope they can do better in actual episodes. Without the needles sacrifice side plot, it would have been boring. And they used the most horribad way to create needless drama. Why the **** didn't you use the god damn remotes you paraded for the viewers just minutes before bringing up the problem. Did they forget to watch their own show? This obvious plot hole is the thing that worries me the most. If they let this go through in a pilot, we can expect similar things to come.
About the characters. The four characters I liked were mathboy, the doctor, the commander and the medic. Not enough to remember their names though. Rest of the people seemed more like random civilians then professionals part of this kind of project. Special mention goes for soldier angry ****, who wouldn't have made through basic psychological evaluation let alone be asigned to a project that important. I guess there is room for character growth though.
The next few episodes need to do better than this.
I hated Rush personally. It looked like they were trying for a Baltar (floppy haired intellectual twit with british accent who gets everyone into the catastrophic mess they're in), but he's a far less sympathetic character. He's just aloof, arrogant and extremely annoying. And almost certainly has some vaguely sinister agenda.
Edit: and maths boy will be the person who stops the sinister plan at the last moment. Calling it now. ____________________
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:32:00 -
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I've sporadically watched SG episodes but never really liked it. Then I watched this yesterday, thinking it might catch my interest.
Now I don't think I'll be watching another SG episode anytime soon. Star Wars: the clone wars season 2 just started. I'll stick to that.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2009.10.04 11:45:00 -
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Thought it was allright myself, basic premise is all there, we be screwed, unstable lineup of characters that'll no doubt cause each other more strife than the weekly toiled same ole storylines.
Sure it's tv, and how it's done these days, for the sake of the show they have a bunch of oddballs.. kinda get that feeling though that a bunch of conditioned psych tested soliders and advisers involved in the sgc wouldn't be acting like complete idiots.
Grasp situation indeed, but totaly unexpected omg doomed, lets all start putting daggers in each others back, unlikely.
Looking forward to next week though, stargate i like, exploration, the past, what they find and learn allways fancinates me.
universe looks top draw in that effect. ______
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2009.10.04 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 16:09:43
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 02:40:11 At least they killed off the politician in the first episode. Too bad they didn't have a couple of lawyers they could fire out an air lock...
And they never talk about basic life necessities on these shows.
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Crazy crap...
Like not paying attention?
Lack of water, mentioned... Food, mentioned... Toilet paper, they had a create if it.
Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets
Mentioned doesn't mean resolved. And they still go no showers...
And in any case, most new tv premiere shows are nothing spectacular. Nothing more than character set up or some few expendables killed off. I looked back at the entire first season of Star Trek TNG and it was laughable compared to later years...
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.04 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega And in any case, most new tv premiere shows are nothing spectacular. Nothing more than character set up or some few expendables killed off. I looked back at the entire first season of Star Trek TNG and it was laughable compared to later years...
But should a new series of Stargate be as laughable when its on? SG-1 Children of the Gods was better than this, and they had even more of an adventure doing it. As for ST: TNG, DS9 or Voyager pilots were never as laughable as TNG. Something learnt maybe?
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.04 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 16:09:43
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 02:40:11 At least they killed off the politician in the first episode. Too bad they didn't have a couple of lawyers they could fire out an air lock...
And they never talk about basic life necessities on these shows.
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Crazy crap...
Like not paying attention?
Lack of water, mentioned... Food, mentioned... Toilet paper, they had a create if it.
Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets
Mentioned doesn't mean resolved. And they still go no showers...
And in any case, most new tv premiere shows are nothing spectacular. Nothing more than character set up or some few expendables killed off. I looked back at the entire first season of Star Trek TNG and it was laughable compared to later years...
Sigh lets see if you where stuck in a space ship with failing life support what be your first priorty? food, water toliet paper, showers or failing life support?
Not that I am going to sing praises of the show just yet, but I did not see anything that would be a instant show stopper. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
ReaperOfSly
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 16:09:43
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: MaxxOmega Edited by: MaxxOmega on 04/10/2009 02:40:11 At least they killed off the politician in the first episode. Too bad they didn't have a couple of lawyers they could fire out an air lock...
And they never talk about basic life necessities on these shows.
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Crazy crap...
Like not paying attention?
Lack of water, mentioned... Food, mentioned... Toilet paper, they had a create if it.
Since its a Ancent ship and they were pretty much Human I guess you could be sure of there being some kind of arrangements for showers/bathrooms/toilets
Mentioned doesn't mean resolved. And they still go no showers...
And in any case, most new tv premiere shows are nothing spectacular. Nothing more than character set up or some few expendables killed off. I looked back at the entire first season of Star Trek TNG and it was laughable compared to later years...
Sigh lets see if you where stuck in a space ship with failing life support what be your first priorty? food, water toliet paper, showers or failing life support?
Not that I am going to sing praises of the show just yet, but I did not see anything that would be a instant show stopper.
Except for failing to realise you can push buttons remotely with floaty camera balls, just so they could kill off some old guy and give Little Miss Forehead something to be mopey about for a few episodes? ____________________
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Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.04 18:04:00 -
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Why waste a floaty ball thing when you have a perfectly good politician to use?
On the subject of showers, the ship is massive and was built by the ancients, I doubt they would overlook something like showers.
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Robert Carlyle is the one off-factor. I can't stop seeing Begbie. I'm pining for the moment when he smashes a bottle over an alien's head.
Oh you son of a *****! IĘm not going to be able to stop seeing Begbie now either!
Originally by: Karma
I was thinking .. "you got these floating balls you can control... why not push the required buttons with them?
The little gamer geek spends like 10 min total screen time playing with the damn thing and doesnĘt tape a pencil to it and use his gamer skills to push a damned button? Hair-pullingly stupid.
But at least they did kill off the politician.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Mostly flashbacks and stretching very little actual happenings to last over an hour. I hope they can do better in actual episodes.
No such luck. Did you notice that a lot of questions were raised about the people there in flashbacks but never got answered? This damned series is gonna be 50% flashbacks. They have 80 or so people on that ship so the writers will never run out of filler for weak episodes. If they write a crap episode they can simply take a random person on the ship and show so random scenes from their life at random points in the show. It took nearly 90 minutes for these people to get through a gate and restore life support to a ship. The over use of flashbacks to cover the fact that nothing happened in an episode is what killed Lost for me.
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Special mention goes for soldier angry ****, who wouldn't have made through basic psychological evaluation let alone be asigned to a project that important.
This! I hope that guy gets left behind on the first planet.
IĘll give this show a few more episodes but I just donĘt have the time to waste on a show thatĘs just gonna **** me off with plot holes and pointless flashbacks.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I hated Rush personally. It looked like they were trying for a Baltar (floppy haired intellectual twit with british accent who gets everyone into the catastrophic mess they're in), but he's a far less sympathetic character. He's just aloof, arrogant and extremely annoying. And almost certainly has some vaguely sinister agenda.
Edit: and maths boy will be the person who stops the sinister plan at the last moment. Calling it now.
Mostly agreed on the mathboy and on the Baltar clone. At least mathboy will be the socially open and capable contrast for Baltar clone. I liked Baltar clone mainly because he seemed to be one of the few persons who could act professionally under stress and understood the significance of what they had discovered. They were under a short time limit before they would ALL DIE and he was one of the few who actually worked to solve the issue.
I can't actually feel anything negative towards him, since no one had any alternative solutions to the problems. All they did was *****, complain and tell the viewer how bad a person he is for not being as useless extra like them. He certainly has his own agenda and could prove to be some cliched uncaring evil scientist who crosses some moral limits for his goals, but at this point I hope they don't stoop that low.
At this point he seems just a driven man who has lost all important social conections and isn't interested renewing them or pretending that the others are more then random humans he has to work with. I would assume that mathboy might start to chance this and open up his backstory in the process.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:06:00 -
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Thank heck I never watched teen soaps like Battlestar Galactica 90210.
Robert Carlyle should not play bad guys!
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Except for failing to realise you can push buttons remotely with floaty camera balls, just so they could kill off some old guy and give Little Miss Forehead something to be mopey about for a few episodes?
Balls tend to make crapy pointing devices, hell you might need a pulse for the controls to work or the ancient gene to make the damm controls work.
Presently we have no idea and personally i think those that are making a comparison with baltar are making a pretty big dam strech. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Except for failing to realise you can push buttons remotely with floaty camera balls, just so they could kill off some old guy and give Little Miss Forehead something to be mopey about for a few episodes?
Balls tend to make crapy pointing devices, hell you might need a pulse for the controls to work or the ancient gene to make the damm controls work.
Presently we have no idea and personally i think those that are making a comparison with baltar are making a pretty big dam strech.
Step 1 grab stick
Step 2 cut ancient gene guy's hand and pour blood on pointer of stick.
step 3 poke the button with stick and remove stick for future use
Do a dance.
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Posted - 2009.10.04 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Step 1 grab stick
Step 2 cut ancient gene guy's hand and pour blood on pointer of stick.
step 3 poke the button with stick and remove stick for future use
Do a dance.
Congratulations gamer geek! You just solved the puzzle and earned yourself a spot on our doomed team of redshirts. We will be beaming you to our ship in 3... 2...
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Originally by: Epegi Givo why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die.
There was one scene, but it was very brief, where they mentioned, in passing, they where able to actually close the doors but that it kept opening back up. Apparently the only way for the doors to stay closed is if there is a life sign inside the room? If thats the case then won't the doors just open back up once the person died?
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Originally by: Rilwar If you want to nag on warp speed, how about the question of "Why does my Crow manage to go 9.5AU/s for 2 seconds during a 9AU jump?"
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Posted - 2009.10.04 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Originally by: Epegi Givo why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die.
There was one scene, but it was very brief, where they mentioned, in passing, they where able to actually close the doors but that it kept opening back up. Apparently the only way for the doors to stay closed is if there is a life sign inside the room? If thats the case then won't the doors just open back up once the person died?
Whatever, any excuse to kill off a politician, even if its a fictional one, is A-OK in my book.
I think it was more related to the fact that they kept trying to keep the door open long enough for someone to run back after hitting the commands but the doors were detecting the obstruction and opens back up. As for why they didnt use a shpere, the ancient controled looked like screen buttons (the actual name escapes me atm) so maybe the button didnt register an impact (I really have no idea how those systems work)?
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 04/10/2009 22:59:21
Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Originally by: Epegi Givo why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die.
There was one scene, but it was very brief, where they mentioned, in passing, they where able to actually close the doors but that it kept opening back up. Apparently the only way for the doors to stay closed is if there is a life sign inside the room? If thats the case then won't the doors just open back up once the person died?
Whatever, any excuse to kill off a politician, even if its a fictional one, is A-OK in my book.
I think it was more related to the fact that they kept trying to keep the door open long enough for someone to run back after hitting the commands but the doors were detecting the obstruction and opens back up. As for why they didnt use a shpere, the ancient controled looked like screen buttons (the actual name escapes me atm) so maybe the button didnt register an impact (I really have no idea how those systems work)?
Edit: What I want to know is why is there a time limit to begin with. Its been established repeatedly that distance is not a factor for worm hole travel. all you need is an address and enough power with the power being drawn from the outgoing gate location (ie the ship). It cant be that the planet bound gates dont have power, otherwise how are they going to get back to the ship? I really hope its not some sort of two way worm hole, I absolutely hate it when writers break their own lore rules.
Lets say it would be impossible to use a pole or ball with ancient dna on it(which isn't impossible as in sga the jeni wished to cut off sheppard's hand and use it to fly a puddle jumper) couldn't they just use brute force or a lever or pulley or anything to pull the door shut and weld it down? I mean they have damn near unlimited scrap metal to build anything they want.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:43:00 -
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Here are my problems with the show:
Jack is fat. WTF happened there? (That is Jack O'neil (spelling?) right?)
How the hell long does this take place after SG1/SGA? Because I'm pretty damn sure we had an Asgard knowledge database. And already had at least a few ships upgraded with basic Asgard weapons and shields.
So how the bloody hell did we lose that fight?! Why wasn't Carter able to kick their ass?! >:O
I'm assuming that a base built inside a mountain, and a stargate connected to a planet's core doesn't usually happen over night, so there's no bloody reason for our ship to have lost that fight. (Granted, they only showed what.. 3 or so enemy ships? There may have been more that wasn't shown, but still. -.- )
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Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Denny Haze Thank heck I never watched teen soaps like Battlestar Galactica 90210.
Robert Carlyle should not play bad guys!
Sure he should, have you not seen how creepy he was in Ravenous?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 04/10/2009 22:59:21
Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Originally by: Epegi Givo why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die.
There was one scene, but it was very brief, where they mentioned, in passing, they where able to actually close the doors but that it kept opening back up. Apparently the only way for the doors to stay closed is if there is a life sign inside the room? If thats the case then won't the doors just open back up once the person died?
Whatever, any excuse to kill off a politician, even if its a fictional one, is A-OK in my book.
I think it was more related to the fact that they kept trying to keep the door open long enough for someone to run back after hitting the commands but the doors were detecting the obstruction and opens back up. As for why they didnt use a shpere, the ancient controled looked like screen buttons (the actual name escapes me atm) so maybe the button didnt register an impact (I really have no idea how those systems work)?
Edit: What I want to know is why is there a time limit to begin with. Its been established repeatedly that distance is not a factor for worm hole travel. all you need is an address and enough power with the power being drawn from the outgoing gate location (ie the ship). It cant be that the planet bound gates dont have power, otherwise how are they going to get back to the ship? I really hope its not some sort of two way worm hole, I absolutely hate it when writers break their own lore rules.
Lets say it would be impossible to use a pole or ball with ancient dna on it(which isn't impossible as in sga the jeni wished to cut off sheppard's hand and use it to fly a puddle jumper) couldn't they just use brute force or a lever or pulley or anything to pull the door shut and weld it down? I mean they have damn near unlimited scrap metal to build anything they want.
Thats assuming that the door wasnt operating on some form of hydrolic system (and given that its supposed to be an air tight seal im willing to bet that whatever system was in place was pretty powerful). As for the weld thats assuming they had or located a torch to weld said scrap metal and that said weld was air tight. Based on the scenes the evacuation was very much a grab what you can and get your ass through the gate so the odds of them actually having brought the equipment needed for such a thing (or for that matter the equipment being in the path of someone who thought to grab such an item) are quite slim. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Denny Haze Thank heck I never watched teen soaps like Battlestar Galactica 90210.
Robert Carlyle should not play bad guys!
Sure he should, have you not seen how creepy he was in Ravenous?
No, but I saw how creepy he was in 28 Weeks Later, and he's better as Felix De Souza!
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Atomos Darksun
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Originally by: Ace2001 Here are my problems with the show:
Jack is fat. WTF happened there? (That is Jack O'neil (spelling?) right?)
How the hell long does this take place after SG1/SGA? Because I'm pretty damn sure we had an Asgard knowledge database. And already had at least a few ships upgraded with basic Asgard weapons and shields.
So how the bloody hell did we lose that fight?! Why wasn't Carter able to kick their ass?! >:O
I'm assuming that a base built inside a mountain, and a stargate connected to a planet's core doesn't usually happen over night, so there's no bloody reason for our ship to have lost that fight. (Granted, they only showed what.. 3 or so enemy ships? There may have been more that wasn't shown, but still. -.- )
The ship is called the "George Hammond," which is actually the Phoenix renamed. Which was in the season 4 Atlantis finale. Which means that it can and should have Asgard beam technology, and considering those were Goa'uld ships, should have been able to knock them straight out of the sky.
But I don't think the writers wanted to concentrate on every little plot hole found in the Milky Way, and just wanted to get straight out in the middle of ****ing nowhere so they could get down to business.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:26:00 -
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Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.05 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
So many plot holes, not enough buses available!
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Originally by: Epegi Givo why didn't they use the little video droid and ram the button untill it worked? The senator guy didn't have to die.
There was one scene, but it was very brief, where they mentioned, in passing, they where able to actually close the doors but that it kept opening back up. Apparently the only way for the doors to stay closed is if there is a life sign inside the room? If thats the case then won't the doors just open back up once the person died?
That's wrong. The actual thing they mention is that they tried to jam the doors open long enough to let the person who pressed the button out, but the door just opened again when it noticed it was blocked. Like a lift door does.
Also, using the droid probably wouldn't work, due to the air leaving the ship dragging it away. That and the possible ancient gene thing, or any number of other retcon-in-able reasons.
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Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.10.05 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Well, they had rations (powerbars, etc) that came through with them. As for the rest I can't believe you'd try to poke a plot-hole in a show by saying "what are they going to wipe their arse with, HA they never explained it!" and "OMG THEY HAS NO TAMPONS!11!" __________________
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Silurian Operations
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I wonder if the Ancients use the Three Sea Shells system!?
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin I wonder if the Ancients use the Three Sea Shells system!?
if they do, a bit of cursing and cussing in a public place should do the trick.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnĘt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donĘt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnĘt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donĘt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
Actually since atlantis was built to fly through space those doors were airlocks, especially because they used the same doors throughout the city including the outer doors.
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnĘt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donĘt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
Actually since atlantis was built to fly through space those doors were airlocks, especially because they used the same doors throughout the city including the outer doors.
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
No, actually, they stated in Atlantis several times that the city itself was NOT air tight. When in space, it always had to have the shield up. This was actually the major plot point of them raiding the Replicators for a ZPM, because they dropped out of hyperspace before they hit the planet and had a few hours before power went out and they all died due to asphyxiation/vacuum exposure.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
I dont believe that was the exact wording or intent. When they look at the map they mention that the ship passed through pegasus, which if it was after Atlantis would make no sence to send a huge super advanced ship through enemy territory, giving the wraith a method of getting to the milky way galaxy. (so if anything, Destiny was used at least once to get the ancients to Pegasus and Atlantis merely followed).
I believe in either the first season in the first part of the cliff hanger its revealed that glass actually cant take the speeds of hyperspace and thus its some sort of transparent field (a Zat blast hit a view port on the bridge and Sam finds out that its not glass but something else, Teal'c confirms it) On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
I dont believe that was the exact wording or intent. When they look at the map they mention that the ship passed through pegasus, which if it was after Atlantis would make no sence to send a huge super advanced ship through enemy territory, giving the wraith a method of getting to the milky way galaxy. (so if anything, Destiny was used at least once to get the ancients to Pegasus and Atlantis merely followed).
I believe in either the first season in the first part of the cliff hanger its revealed that glass actually cant take the speeds of hyperspace and thus its some sort of transparent field (a Zat blast hit a view port on the bridge and Sam finds out that its not glass but something else, Teal'c confirms it)
I honestly don't know, they simply said the ship was built for a bunch of ancients to live in but was forgotten when they ascended, so unless they say differently that is what they mean.
Well if this clear non glass was stronger then trinium(or whatever that uber building material is)then they would have used it for the hull of the ship aswell, so one may postulate that the metal within the ship is probably stronger then the non glass.
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Edited by: small chimp on 05/10/2009 23:38:10 I liked it very much i think. Luckily it didn't had that annoying blonde woman that bsg had. It was so repulsive that i had to quit watching the serie after first episode!
But its only a premiere, lets see how it develops?
Also the glass can be stronger than the other building materials but it may be very expensive?
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.06 00:02:00 -
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I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Wrong Indeed
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Posted - 2009.10.06 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: MaxxOmega on 06/10/2009 01:17:04
Originally by: nahtoh Sigh lets see if you where stuck in a space ship with failing life support what be your first priorty?
My first priority would be cable TV and the Internet so I could watch the newest episode of the current Stargate series. And maybe Sarah Conner Chronicles so I can stare at the Terminators milk recepticles!!!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.10.06 03:27:00 -
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which one was supposed to be adama?
i watched it. Jack was in it so i figured.. what the hell.
I've seen worse premiers, i'll give it a chance.
We should be able to tell pretty soon if the writers actually have a story of their own to tell, or if the only direction they have for the show is 'dark and gritty!.. darker! ...grittyer!'
i loved bsg, i loved both the SG shows. I know i shouldn't expect too much so i'll proceed with cautious optimism. ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.06 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
The military would've assumed command of the operation from the start, if they had been real, they'd also removed the headcase from active duty once again when out of the fight, for evaluation.
As for people panicking, they got nothing to do, asked to do nothing and getting too much free time to think. A good leader would assign them token missions just to keep them busy while the key personal worked on the essentials uninterrupted.
In short, the young officer is not fit to lead and neither is the older one from what I've seen so far. Lacking in good leadership will ensure they land themselves in a good deal of trouble ensuring an entertaining watch, if you can disregard idiocy.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.10.06 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 03/10/2009 18:51:08 It was a major disappointment. Metal drama and whining for 90 minutes. Uniteresting characters, no story, no science fiction and sheer boredom.
It's a serious letdown.
this for me aswell.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.06 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: small chimp I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
The military would've assumed command of the operation from the start, if they had been real, they'd also removed the headcase from active duty once again when out of the fight, for evaluation.
As for people panicking, they got nothing to do, asked to do nothing and getting too much free time to think. A good leader would assign them token missions just to keep them busy while the key personal worked on the essentials uninterrupted.
In short, the young officer is not fit to lead and neither is the older one from what I've seen so far. Lacking in good leadership will ensure they land themselves in a good deal of trouble ensuring an entertaining watch, if you can disregard idiocy.
What sort of token missions would you send civilians on in a mammoth sized, dilapidated ancient space craft with failing life support and questionable power levels?
Personally id like to find out why the head case is a head case before writing him off. There have been many examples of behavior modification simply by being in a room in the Stargate universe (ie in SG-1, the light show fountain that made you suicidal if you left it for too long). Its entirely possible that he was exposed to something on the planet before the arrival of the Hammond for transport back to earth.
In regards to leadership, yeah. We so far have a doctor with questionable ethics essentially saying the guy that no one else can see or talk to has put him in charge, a junior officer and a senior one with a concussion. We also happen to have a civilian IDO or whatever they call themselves (the civilian oversight group) thatĘs going to try to push her position IĘm sure so it will be rather entertaining to see what happens in that regard. To be frank if they do some sort of "join hands and work togeather to survive blah blah blah federation bull**** blah blah" that will be the lethal injection for the show for me.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.06 20:20:00 -
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The obvious ones, checking the areas of the ship closest to the core while the military do the perimeter check. Setting up sleeping quarters and handing out written down ancient words to be looking for that may be of use.
A calm crew given a task to perform blows less oxygen than a hyperventilating panicky one also should you lose one or two in the process of finding a leak or something else that's of any use to the group then that's oxygen saved.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:31:00 -
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I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend. 1b) Who knows how much the Goa'uld ships were upgraded. Maybe they were powerful enough to put a dent in the Hammond, since it was probably doing its best to shield the planet and tank as much damage as possible while they evac'd.
2) They're in a ship with limited O2 and a lot of CO2, which tends to make people not think optimally. Read "Into Thin Air" for some ideas about what oxygen-deprivation can do to even the most intelligent person.
3) As soon as I saw who was playing the Senator, don't know his name, I knew he wouldn't make it through the first show. But about his sacrifice being stupid, and they should have used a ball, it was mentioned that he was "dead on his feet" or some such. He had massive internal bleeding and no surgeon to stop it, just a field medic. He was a goner no matter what. So I thought it was a noble sacrifice, even if they telegraphed it.
4) Lots of BSG references, especially the sex scene.
5) Lots of good undeveloped stuff to flesh out in coming episodes, like the Colonel's seizures, which the medic apparently knows about and is hiding; what did Rush really do on Earth; will Math Boy get the daughter, etc.
6) I like that they have absolutely no control over the ship yet, but eventually will. That'll add something for the end of the first season.
7) It'll be a lot like the original ST - where they have planet episodes and ship ones (to save money). That can make for an interesting mix, and not just countdown episodes. Maybe that's like Voyager too, but I didn't see much of it until after Seven. And they don't have a holographic doctor to fall back on. The medic will have to learn how to be a doctor - with which the ship will almost certainly help
All-in-all, I wasn't disappointed and see a lot of potential. Now it's up to the writers and actors to make it worthwhile. I'll certainly be watching.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend.
The renaming happened at the end of Atlantis after Don Davis suffered a heart attack. As a mark of respect the writers stated the Gen. Hammond suffered a heart attack and that the Pentagon renamed the ship after him.
A fitting tribute though - I was sad to hear of his passing.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: F'nog I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend.
The renaming happened at the end of Atlantis after Don Davis suffered a heart attack. As a mark of respect the writers stated the Gen. Hammond suffered a heart attack and that the Pentagon renamed the ship after him.
A fitting tribute though - I was sad to hear of his passing.
Great, I start a whole thread about spoilers from the SG:A finale leading into SG:U and nobody mentioned this. At least it didn't spoil anything important to SG:U.
Still, it's a great tribute to Don S. Davis.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.07 21:39:00 -
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Sorry to hear about Don Davis. I didn't know.
Now ... as to SG-U ...
1) I see it as a combo of Lost/BSG/ST:Voyager - which I don't consider a good thing.
2) I'm not impressed by plot devices based entirely on idiotic designs. The very idea that you wouldn't be able to close the door to that shuttle from the outside is absurd.
3) No one seems to have mentioned that if this ship had been in space for thousands of years with an air leak ... that it would have all been gone a long, long time ago - in some previous galaxy - far, far away, so that the first guy through the gate would have been in vacuum. If the writers are this stupid I don't really see good things ahead for this show. What was needed - was some action on the part of the new arrivals that caused the air leak - that would have obviated the need for the idiotic design in #2 above and could have provided some noble sacrifice situation more believable than what we got (if that's what they wanted to do).
4) Most of the cast are fine. It's to early to judge how the individual characters will work out.
5) Yes the stupid timer is undoubtedly going to play a major role in future episodes - and the predictability of that along with the idiocy of such timers is just lame.
6) For two hours of SciFi ... it wasn't that bad in and of itself, other than the already mentioned stupidity. The thing is ... (other than ST:TNG's opening ...) most series get a certain amount of benefit from the fact that the viewers don't know how stupid some of the resolutions the the questions raised in the series opener will be.
7) The idea that the attack on the planet they came from would blow it up was stupid. Anything that unstable would have blown up long before. But the idea that you required an energy source on a planetary scale would justify them not being able to get back home for the ... however many seasons ... the series is going to run. They just did that to justify not sending people home to avoid the blast of the planets destruction coming through the gate - and - so they'd have a neat special effect in the first episode.
All in all, the acting wasn't bad, the characters aren't bad and the ship is kind of neat - which allowed me to sit through the thing twice. But again ... some of the writing is pretty lame and I don't like where they're going with the Lost/Voyager track. But ... I'll probably watch it for a while as there isn't that much else on. I just hope there isn't a scheduling conflict with something I want to watch on the History Channel.
Now ... as to the BSG ending ... that was just stupid. They could easily have not been able to maintain their civilization as all the space ships and their other technology (which could have lasted a few years) eventually broke down without the high tech civilization that made it to maintain it. But just intentionally flying them off into the sun on some kind of lame ass idea about breaking the cycle was just idiotic. If you look at all those people who complained like hell every time something went wrong - the idea that they would willingly support sending off all their ships into the sun - would NOT have happened. That bunch of whining, self centered whimps who couldn't agree on anything else would NEVER have all agreed to do something like that. What that was - was glory mongering on the part of the writer. Trying to close the show with some grandiose statement - which - they showed didn't work anyway. "Gee, lets all have them all do something totally out of character - that is utterly idiotic and unbelievable - and show it all to have been nothing more than a futile gesture ..." Lame.
BSG had some great stuff in it, the acting, the special effects etc. But the basic story line was all about a bunch of morons squabbling with each other. It was kind of like "Survivor - In Space!" Lame. Utterly lame. If there had been anything better on ... I'd have given up on it completely.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk stuff[/qoute]
I want to say Don S. Davis died about a year or two ago. On his personal site (dont know if its still up) well before he died he had commented that he had left the show due to health concerns and that he wanted to pursue artistic works. I believe his funerial was attended by several SG1 cast members.
Anyway:
Point 3: The only thing I can think of is that the ship was operating on minimal life support. IE the ship is mostly a vacuum save the immediate areas that people would be in once they gated to the ship. As the survivors explored the ship (an understandable yet stupid move) the ship would naturally expand life support to more and more of the ship and thus start to put life support in areas where the hull was compromised.
Point 7: I suspect the attack on the planet has more to it and hopefully will be explored in later episodes. Based on Rushes smirk and tearful viewing of the photo of IĘm presuming to be his wife I suspect he had a hand in it. If you really watch Rush and how he is acting he really seems to be the only man with a plan that isnĘt about getting home.
BSG:
Perhaps the writers did think they could ride out on a high horse but I still believe that itĘs a logical assumption that humanity at that point was utterly sick of technology. As I have said before, history has shown time and again that technology used in a very negative way will be shirked away from. Spaceships, Cylons and what not are/were symbols of the ultimate expression of technology and that had resulted in humanity shrinking from a population of billions to that of a small town. As for if the majority of the population had a say, thatĘs up for debate though I would lean towards they either jumped at a chance to have grass under their feet for the first time in four years (without cylons hovering over them like on new caprica) or the captains of the ships all agreed with Adama and basically said ōyou can stay on the ship but we aint flying themö.
Another thought is that there may have been a real fear that Cavils forces still were out there (remember it was observed that base stars were seen coming and going from the colony but were absent at the battle). By removing obvious signs of advanced technology (ie ships) any surviving forces loyal to Cavil would have a hard time locating humanity if at all.
In the end though BSGĘs ending is one that you either love or hate.
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Otto Durako
The Abyssmal Spire
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:24:00 -
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To SG:U I havent watched the episode yet, so I will download it tonight.
To the BSG:
Yea the ending was sudden and unexpected....but what DID you expect? I mean, the BSG:OS came to an Earth and there we were...what does that give us? Now an explanation of our common ancestry...well it was said in the opening of the OS that "man began out there" so it only makes sense that they arrive on an Earth of our past. They tested the waters with the first "Earth"...which I am still fuzzy on.
Honestly had that of been me, I would have possibly of done the same, but save for some technologies...I don't know, medicine, irrigation, domestication. The fleet arrived to a what looked like the Neanderthal's...well that may explain why that population died out in time and homo-sapien species. Though through recent scientific release Midochondrial was not the first human type species, but she is the link...so the writers may have taken into consideration that it is still unknown exactly how man rose, so they rose man in their story.
And it is said in the mini-series by Doral that when the Cylon war started man looked backwards for technology...so in the end man looks further back, to no technology.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 08/10/2009 10:34:37 Well this is a SG:U thread so I don't want to get to involved in BSG but ... I stand by what I said and simply disagree that anything such as what was portrayed would have happened.
As to technology - technology isn't a choice. Living things are either growing or dying. Without technology we are dying as our numbers are unsustainable without it. Without technology life is crude, cruel and short. Anti-technology attitudes on the part of people who play computer games ... doesn't make a lot of sense.
The anti technology themes perpetuated by Hollywood are absurd. People being done in by their technology is not inevitable. Any society that is done in by it's technology is so stupid it deserves it. Look at nuclear weapons. We have the ability to wipe ourselves out right now - but have we done so? No.
One last thing on that air leak ... any sensible space ship design would not only have doors on it's shuttles that could be closed from the outside but partitions in it's passageways and ventilation systems which would prevent them from being used as conduits to an air leak should one part of the ships air tight doors fail. The very idea that the entire ship would be drained of air because of a leak in one part of it is an idiotic design.
As to any explanation why an air leak that could drain the ship of air wouldn't have already done so thousands of years before - I'm sure there are any number of things that could be made up - but they weren't mentioned in the show and are no more than lame explanations for a stupid plot device. Of course you see a lot of that - the use of a stupid plot device and then various lame explanations of it to try and save a bad idea. Of course ... with the writers of a show ... once they've done something stupid and broadcast it ... they're kind of stuck with their original mistake.
Now - what they could have done - was have the new arrivals opening hatches that would not subsequently close because of their age and then continue to do so as they progressed through the ship. That - would have allowed such a situation to occur - as I said before - where actions of the new arrivals caused the problem. That however was not what was done.
Here - there is stupidity - but it is stupidity on the part of the characters rather than the writers.
The problem you have is that a lot of Hollywood writers are technically ignorant - so - they substitute bad writing. If they are writing for some social relationship show - then their technical ignorance doesn't matter - but - if they are writing for a Sci Fi show - then it does. Note the presence of the term "Science" in Sci Fi ...
Of course ... this does raise one of the fundamental problems of Science Fiction in any form - which is that good Science Fiction requires an intelligent audience - and most of the worlds population is not all that intelligent - soooo - they take supposedly Sci Fi shows (such as BSG) and turn them into personal relationship shows - to get more people to watch. You can have Sci Fi shows that contain personal relationships but that means the writers have to be good at writing both types.
Science Fiction will always be niche entertainment because there simply isn't a large enough percentage of the audience to appreciate it. The only reason we have as much Sci Fi entertainment as we do - is that even though it is a small percentage of the population - in absolute terms, the numbers of people able to appreciate Sci Fi are large enough to support it.
*shrug*
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Stuff.
BSG Tech stuff: Humanity got along just fine without modern technology for longer then weĘve had it.
Looking back though I should reconsider what I said as all we know is that they simply abandoned their ships. Remember towards the end Adama takes a dying Roslin into a Raptor and flys around showing her the new planet moments before she passes on. Further more the human cylons that sided with humanity said that they were going to aid humanity in any way they could until God called them home (ie until they died) so it is likely that (if not obvious) that they did in fact keep certain technologies (IĘm sure the doctor would have gone ape**** if he wasnĘt allowed to take the medicines) but abandoned the more larger pieces, such as likely Vipers, the ships, etc.
Sci-fi genre stuff: I dont think Sci-Fi has to be all that technical to be a success. Science Fiction is really just Fiction with primary elements typically associated with science (robots, space ships, energy blades, laser guns, etc) which is why often times shows that fall under the science fiction genre are more or less based on the near future or future. The primary focus isnĘt the science itself but more or less how humanity carries itself in a world where technology X, Y and Z exist.
For an example, Blade Runner, often considered a must see Sci-Fi movie is really just a detective story that, if it werenĘt for the futuristic depictions could be set in any time.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:59:00 -
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Just watched it last night and I like it. I hope they dont get into the old random weekly happenings that are forgotted the next week and only remembered in a clip show...
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 09/10/2009 13:55:54 I call dibs on the SG:U 'team'? finding a planet populated by dinosaur like creatures!
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.10 04:02:00 -
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*Spoilers*
So anyone catch the second episode? From what I understand this was technically still part of the primier (was its third part). Didnt really contribute to anything more other than showing that the time limit isnt a deadline (Sticking your hand in the wormhole to keep the gate open seemed to stop the ship from going into FTL). Those two people going off onto another planet wasnt resolved so I imagine they'll either be found later (alive or dead) or are just writen off.
The lack of a DHD console and the planet bound gates relying on a remote control is rather interesting. In the previous two shows the gates typically had religous significance attached to them and allowed even primitive civilizations to go from planet to planet but in this show I wonder what role the gates will play for the races the teams encounter. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Kravick Drasani
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Posted - 2009.10.10 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei *Spoilers*
So anyone catch the second episode? From what I understand this was technically still part of the primier (was its third part). Didnt really contribute to anything more other than showing that the time limit isnt a deadline (Sticking your hand in the wormhole to keep the gate open seemed to stop the ship from going into FTL). Those two people going off onto another planet wasnt resolved so I imagine they'll either be found later (alive or dead) or are just writen off.
The lack of a DHD console and the planet bound gates relying on a remote control is rather interesting. In the previous two shows the gates typically had religous significance attached to them and allowed even primitive civilizations to go from planet to planet but in this show I wonder what role the gates will play for the races the teams encounter.
I called it. Last second OMG ITS GONNA LEAVE WITHOUT US event has already happened and they made it back within seconds of being left behind. Though it is interesting to know that the timer can be slightly delayed (does that 32 minute rule still come into play if something is "wedged" in the stargate?) some what and give a small extension. I'm sure this will be abused at least a few more times as the show progresses. They might even invent a "wedge" device which is actually a 2x4 piece of wood.
The swirly wind life form was kinda neat. Theres just one thing thats bothering me. Why the hell haven't they used the mind transfer stone thingy to get Carter there to fix everything in 5 minutes yet? -
Originally by: Rilwar If you want to nag on warp speed, how about the question of "Why does my Crow manage to go 9.5AU/s for 2 seconds during a 9AU jump?"
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:42:00 -
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I liked it.
I am a little disapointed they gave away what the ship looked like. That could have been a good storyline.
G.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:14:00 -
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God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
Her mom will likely end up dead. In previous episodes from other shows anyone who found out about the stargate was either bought to keep their silence in some form or met an untimely end. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.10 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Xen Gin God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
Her mom will likely end up dead. In previous episodes from other shows anyone who found out about the stargate was either bought to keep their silence in some form or met an untimely end.
I can't see how they can (attempt to) drag this on for 4 to 5 years!
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 10/10/2009 18:19:45
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Xen Gin God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
Her mom will likely end up dead. In previous episodes from other shows anyone who found out about the stargate was either bought to keep their silence in some form or met an untimely end.
I can't see how they can (attempt to) drag this on for 4 to 5 years!
It will be like Galactica. We will only technically get half a season every 10 months. They'll spread a four to five season show over seven years
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Wrong Indeed
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Posted - 2009.10.10 22:27:00 -
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Who picked the cast for this show? They are all boring *******s and don't connect with the audience. I don't care if they all get killed except for maybe the geek. And please shoot the whiny girl out an airlock with her mom tied to her ankle...
The show is doomed...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Edited by: baltec1 on 11/10/2009 22:53:44
Originally by: Xen Gin
I can't see how they can (attempt to) drag this on for 4 to 5 years!
I hope they dont. I have only seen the first two episodes (gotta wait till Tuesday) but so far it is fantastic. It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting. Just like life on mars (the uk origonal) I want quality over quanity. My only two worries are that it will revert to the old style of stargate/star trek weekly adventures that are forgotten the next week or it suffers from the American need to milk it untill it loses its greatness and the writers run out of ideas (Prison Break).
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.11 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting.
Seriously? If this is what passes as a good story (the general plot is fine) and good acting for you, I believe there is a production of Macbeth as acted by the Class of 8F at your local school you may enjoy watching week after week.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:02:00 -
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Did anyone catch the most recent episode? Did you notice the montage near the end with the ****y emo music? Is this a sci-fi show or mutha****in Dawson's Creek?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: baltec1
It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting.
Seriously? If this is what passes as a good story (the general plot is fine) and good acting for you, I believe there is a production of Macbeth as acted by the Class of 8F at your local school you may enjoy watching week after week.
Yes its great because its not the cheesy crap that was SG1 where the hero would find the mirical cure/fix in under an hour and you must watch the next week to follow the story as it progresses rather than tune in for a new story every week that has no impact upon the characters. Two episodes in and they still need to fix the air scrubbers, their only medical expert is a stressed combat medic and their supplies consist of power bars, lined paper and a box of toilet paper. Most importantly though is that they finaly got rid of those damn P90s.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.12 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 01:02:19
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: baltec1
It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting.
Seriously? If this is what passes as a good story (the general plot is fine) and good acting for you, I believe there is a production of Macbeth as acted by the Class of 8F at your local school you may enjoy watching week after week.
Yes its great because its not the cheesy crap that was SG1 where the hero would find the mirical cure/fix in under an hour and you must watch the next week to follow the story as it progresses rather than tune in for a new story every week that has no impact upon the characters. Two episodes in and they still need to fix the air scrubbers, their only medical expert is a stressed combat medic and their supplies consist of power bars, lined paper and a box of toilet paper. Most importantly though is that they finaly got rid of those damn P90s.
Losing the P90's is unforgivable, and all that toilet paper will be used up pretty quickly if the don't stop being emo. The actors and characters (bar Eli and Rush) are all wrong, its horribly written. These are the best of the best and 12 hours in the SG personal are kicking each other over, stealing rations and, pointing guns at unarmed people and what not. It's just drama for the sake of drama, nothing else. We don't need to see 10 minutes of crying girl crying. And just because the Air condition last for three episodes, probably says what kinda stuff they are going to get into, nothing but repairs and crying drawn out over 24 episodes.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.10.12 04:40:00 -
[100]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: baltec1
It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting.
Seriously? If this is what passes as a good story (the general plot is fine) and good acting for you, I believe there is a production of Macbeth as acted by the Class of 8F at your local school you may enjoy watching week after week.
Yes its great because its not the cheesy crap that was SG1 where the hero would find the mirical cure/fix in under an hour and you must watch the next week to follow the story as it progresses rather than tune in for a new story every week that has no impact upon the characters. Two episodes in and they still need to fix the air scrubbers, their only medical expert is a stressed combat medic and their supplies consist of power bars, lined paper and a box of toilet paper. Most importantly though is that they finaly got rid of those damn P90s.
You do realise it was an extended premier, don't you?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:36:00 -
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It has in abundance the thing I hated most about BSG - character squabbling.
What a bunch of self centered, moronic drama queens and emo boys.
As I answered the Cyclons question to the humans "Do you deserve to survive?" No for BSG - it's no for these guys to.
The problem with SG:U is that they are stuck with one story. Them getting carted about the universe by this ship they have no control over.
SG:SG-1 and SG:A were better than this.
Oh well ... most of the other stuff on TV is worse ... so I'll probably watch this ... it's got a space ship in it ... and just hope (ha! ha!) it gets better.
As with BSG though ... I'm just watching to see what happens. Once I know - no replay value.
With SG:SG-1 I can watch the same episodes in syndication over and over (so far eventually I'll burn out on anything) but with this and BSG - it's view once and be done with it.
I guess the big mystery now is what was in that shuttle that took off.
Maybe an ancient inhabited the body of the dead senator and is warping off to Zombie Land. Ya think?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.12 08:00:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Janice Jankowski
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: baltec1
It has what the other stargates lacked, a good story and good acting.
Seriously? If this is what passes as a good story (the general plot is fine) and good acting for you, I believe there is a production of Macbeth as acted by the Class of 8F at your local school you may enjoy watching week after week.
Yes its great because its not the cheesy crap that was SG1 where the hero would find the mirical cure/fix in under an hour and you must watch the next week to follow the story as it progresses rather than tune in for a new story every week that has no impact upon the characters. Two episodes in and they still need to fix the air scrubbers, their only medical expert is a stressed combat medic and their supplies consist of power bars, lined paper and a box of toilet paper. Most importantly though is that they finaly got rid of those damn P90s.
You do realise it was an extended premier, don't you?
Sadly this. It could end up having consistency and steady development, but that is in no way guaranteed yet. I still think they need to tone down the forced drama and whinage. At the bare minimum they need to reduce the time they use to portray it.
I miss the time, when people took hard and potentially deadly situations as an adventure too. Most people shouldn't do this, but there are people that enjoy those dangerous, interesting and challenging situations. Not to mention more people who would actually love working in space and visiting new worlds. I don't think it would be much of a strech, if few such people would end up working for such an experimental and high risk place like stargate control.
This would make sure, that I could pretend to be watching an exciting scifi show, instead of a standard survival drama. The survival struggle should remain a theme and used as a reason for some conflict and plot points, but not the main focus of the show. It can carry a few episodes on its own now and then, but just isn't enough in a scifi series for me.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.12 15:33:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 15:38:12
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Sadly this. It could end up having consistency and steady development, but that is in no way guaranteed yet. I still think they need to tone down the forced drama and whinage. At the bare minimum they need to reduce the time they use to portray it.
I miss the time, when people took hard and potentially deadly situations as an adventure too. Most people shouldn't do this, but there are people that enjoy those dangerous, interesting and challenging situations. Not to mention more people who would actually love working in space and visiting new worlds. I don't think it would be much of a strech, if few such people would end up working for such an experimental and high risk place like stargate control.
This would make sure, that I could pretend to be watching an exciting scifi show, instead of a standard survival drama. The survival struggle should remain a theme and used as a reason for some conflict and plot points, but not the main focus of the show. It can carry a few episodes on its own now and then, but just isn't enough in a scifi series for me.
I agree with Dest. It's just too much drama (and it's drama for the sake of drama!) and emo-age. I will still be watching it to see where it goes, but I have pretty low hopes for where it may end up at.
And yes I do realise it's an extended premier over three episodes, it still doesn't mean we like 10minutes of crying and boo-whooing per episode!
Next weeks SPOILER
[color=#FFFFFF]It seems that its a power failure next week, maybe the week after there is a sewage breakdown, the week after the cigarette smoke detectors break![/color]
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
Yeah seriously if she threatened that, I'm pretty sure she would disappear that night until they had resolved the whole thing.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.13 00:59:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 15:40:25 Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 15:38:12
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Sadly this. It could end up having consistency and steady development, but that is in no way guaranteed yet. I still think they need to tone down the forced drama and whinage. At the bare minimum they need to reduce the time they use to portray it.
I miss the time, when people took hard and potentially deadly situations as an adventure too. Most people shouldn't do this, but there are people that enjoy those dangerous, interesting and challenging situations. Not to mention more people who would actually love working in space and visiting new worlds. I don't think it would be much of a strech, if few such people would end up working for such an experimental and high risk place like stargate control.
This would make sure, that I could pretend to be watching an exciting scifi show, instead of a standard survival drama. The survival struggle should remain a theme and used as a reason for some conflict and plot points, but not the main focus of the show. It can carry a few episodes on its own now and then, but just isn't enough in a scifi series for me.
I agree with Dest. It's just too much drama (and it's drama for the sake of drama!) and emo-age. I will still be watching it to see where it goes, but I have pretty low hopes for where it may end up at.
And yes I do realise it's an extended premier over three episodes, it still doesn't mean we like 10minutes of crying and boo-whooing per episode!
What you described above was - SG:SG-1. It lasted 10 years and several DVD movies.
SG:A ... that had problems with the writing, the characters and the actors.
For SG:SG-1, Shanks, Tapping, Judge, Davis and Anderson were a great combination. The writing was pretty good too. They had stupid things in it ... like no vehicles to speak of ... everybody walking wherever they went ... but mostly it was pretty good. Amanda was just superb. She's frakking gorgeous! And they did the right thing by keeping that sub text between she and Anderson unfulfilled - except for that one Ground Hog day episode ... which was hilarious.
I really believe that when the producers were trying to sell the idea for SG:U one of them said "Picture this: a combination of "Voyager", "Battle Star Gallactica" and "Lost" -> (In Space!)
There's nothing original about this shows basic premise.
Now I actually like some of the characters. Rush, the Lt., the Combat Fatigued Sgt. and Math Boy (plus I got to see Amanda again). I'd like to see more of that chick the Lt. was balling.
But all the drama is just so lame.
The whole threat by the dead senator's wife was a waste of time. It is already well established that all they'd have to do was say something like ... "Sorry but it sounds like in her grief the senators widow has started channeling Worm Hole Extreme ..."
Which reminds me of the 200th SG:SG-1 episode ... that has got to be one of the funniest TV shows I have ever seen.
I'd like this show to succeed ... I really would ... but they better hope there's nothing good on the History Channel when they come on ... or that I can stay up late enough to watch the repeat ... cause this thing is losing me fast.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:15:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 15:40:25 Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/10/2009 15:38:12
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Sadly this. It could end up having consistency and steady development, but that is in no way guaranteed yet. I still think they need to tone down the forced drama and whinage. At the bare minimum they need to reduce the time they use to portray it.
I miss the time, when people took hard and potentially deadly situations as an adventure too. Most people shouldn't do this, but there are people that enjoy those dangerous, interesting and challenging situations. Not to mention more people who would actually love working in space and visiting new worlds. I don't think it would be much of a strech, if few such people would end up working for such an experimental and high risk place like stargate control.
This would make sure, that I could pretend to be watching an exciting scifi show, instead of a standard survival drama. The survival struggle should remain a theme and used as a reason for some conflict and plot points, but not the main focus of the show. It can carry a few episodes on its own now and then, but just isn't enough in a scifi series for me.
I agree with Dest. It's just too much drama (and it's drama for the sake of drama!) and emo-age. I will still be watching it to see where it goes, but I have pretty low hopes for where it may end up at.
And yes I do realise it's an extended premier over three episodes, it still doesn't mean we like 10minutes of crying and boo-whooing per episode!
What you described above was - SG:SG-1. It lasted 10 years and several DVD movies.
SG:A ... that had problems with the writing, the characters and the actors.
For SG:SG-1, Shanks, Tapping, Judge, Davis and Anderson were a great combination. The writing was pretty good too. They had stupid things in it ... like no vehicles to speak of ... everybody walking wherever they went ... but mostly it was pretty good. Amanda was just superb. She's frakking gorgeous! And they did the right thing by keeping that sub text between she and Anderson unfulfilled - except for that one Ground Hog day episode ... which was hilarious.
I really believe that when the producers were trying to sell the idea for SG:U one of them said "Picture this: a combination of "Voyager", "Battle Star Gallactica" and "Lost" -> (In Space!)
There's nothing original about this shows basic premise.
Now I actually like some of the characters. Rush, the Lt., the Combat Fatigued Sgt. and Math Boy (plus I got to see Amanda again). I'd like to see more of that chick the Lt. was balling.
But all the drama is just so lame.
The whole threat by the dead senator's wife was a waste of time. It is already well established that all they'd have to do was say something like ... "Sorry but it sounds like in her grief the senators widow has started channeling Worm Hole Extreme ..."
Which reminds me of the 200th SG:SG-1 episode ... that has got to be one of the funniest TV shows I have ever seen.
I'd like this show to succeed ... I really would ... but they better hope there's nothing good on the History Channel when they come on ... or that I can stay up late enough to watch the repeat ... cause this thing is losing me fast.
Others think SGA superior to the SG1, for one the cast is more interesting. Torri way more intriguing than that blond chick and there's also no McGyver.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:55:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Others think SGA superior to the SG1, for one the cast is more interesting. Torri way more intriguing than that blond chick and there's also no McGyver.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.13 02:16:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Others think SGA superior to the SG1, for one the cast is more interesting. Torri way more intriguing than that blond chick and there's also no McGyver.
People think silly things.
Yes, it's a miracle SG1 was allowed to carry on as long as it did with that wooden Teal'c and cueball Hammond. That cast is a pool of rejects by comparison, on par with SGU from what we've seen so far.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 03:51:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Others think SGA superior to the SG1, for one the cast is more interesting. Torri way more intriguing than that blond chick and there's also no McGyver.
People think silly things.
Yes, it's a miracle SG1 was allowed to carry on as long as it did with that wooden Teal'c and cueball Hammond. That cast is a pool of rejects by comparison, on par with SGU from what we've seen so far.
The Ori arc should never have been. I know they wanted to show how good the Ancients were by showing their foil but for me it back fired. That not to say that I was rooting for the Ori but the Ancients stuck me as a group that just didnt want to take responsability for what they left behind (replicators, wraith, communication stones to the galaxy of your mortal enemy, seriously what the hell?!). They reminded me of owners of a previous house that leave all their crap for the new owners to clean up. Hopefully SGU will not have ANY acended beings what so ever. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Atomos Darksun
Randomness.
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Posted - 2009.10.15 00:46:00 -
[110]
Rush and Gamer boy. <3. Busted-Up-Man seems cool so far along with medic girleh. Miss Forehead and IOA ***** can be gate-wedges for all I care. Crazy Black Marine is probably in love with Knocked-Up-A-16-year-old marine.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.15 04:04:00 -
[111]
Third episode was a whole lot of sand and then nothing, it's starting to look trekkie already.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.10.15 15:11:00 -
[112]
2 reasons to watch. Or 4, depending... __________________
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.15 15:59:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kappas. 2 reasons to watch. Or 4, depending...
1 reason why those reasons don't really matter.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.17 02:40:00 -
[114]
Another day, another episode.
I can't tell if I feel like the episodes should be longer, or I'm just not used to them not solving a problem every episode like the old SG series.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.17 03:13:00 -
[115]
Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.17 03:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Sader Rykane Another day, another episode.
I can't tell if I feel like the episodes should be longer, or I'm just not used to them not solving a problem every episode like the old SG series.
I have to admit, I liked the fact that everything didnt wrap up nice and neatly in one hour.
Characters still need work, though depending on how many episodes they shot before airing it will likely be a few weeks before we see any changes due to fan/nelson input. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:49:00 -
[117]
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.17 08:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
Pretty much this.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.17 13:10:00 -
[119]
A much better episode finally, and with less whining!
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.17 15:27:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Sleepkevert on 17/10/2009 15:31:50
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
Pretty much this.
Also placing my bets on this. _
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.17 15:48:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 17/10/2009 15:31:50
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
Pretty much this.
Also placing my bets on this.
Whuh, what? There was an actual plot beyond the limestone?
What this series need is multiple storylines running simultaneously. Not saying 24 but for it to evolve it cannot just be a handful of main characters and fillers who die, a la Star Trek. Oz was great that way, you just never knew when someone was due.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Otto Katz
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Posted - 2009.10.17 22:39:00 -
[122]
Decided to give it a watch, wasn't too bad overall, got a bit bored in the second episode when they seemed to spend about 95% of the episode walking through sand. As already mentioned nice to see Begbie in American TV, was half expecting him to start a set to in the desert when one of the others knocks into him spilling his water.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.10.18 15:16:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Kappas. on 18/10/2009 15:20:13
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk SG:SG-1 and SG:A were better than this.
SG:A was good in the beginning but they ****ed it over by making every single episode standalone, it had no decent main plot to watch it after the first couple of seasons.
Quote: Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
You mean besides Rush's mental breakdown, Eli getting built in to the senators daughter, the "resistance" on the ship who think they are being left out of the loop, the fact the ship is almost completely out of power and on a collision course with a sun?
Yeah besides that nothing much happened. __________________
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Noun Verber
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Posted - 2009.10.18 16:50:00 -
[124]
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
you left out where the ship may have scooped fuel from the gas giant
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:07:00 -
[125]
After four painstakingly long and boring episodes I'm still waiting for something meaningful to happen.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:58:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Sazkyen After four painstakingly long and boring episodes I'm still waiting for something meaningful to happen.
You're not gonna see something meaningful on Syfy. Feel free to leave the couch. -----
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:11:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Sazkyen After four painstakingly long and boring episodes I'm still waiting for something meaningful to happen.
Wut? Loads of stuff has happened. Have you been paying attention? ____________________
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.18 22:00:00 -
[128]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Sazkyen After four painstakingly long and boring episodes I'm still waiting for something meaningful to happen.
Wut? Loads of stuff has happened. Have you been paying attention?
I have not, 4 episodes, already, when what?
To the stealmobile!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:15:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 17/10/2009 15:31:50
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
Pretty much this.
Also placing my bets on this.
first thing i thought myself. if it ends up being that predictable and stupid. i'm going to ragequit on my television
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.19 08:31:00 -
[130]
Originally by: goodby4u It looks like voyager, bsg, and 24 all rolled into one.
Chloe + Seven of Nine + Gaius Baltar == Super sexy love scene of doom!!!
But really I didn't get much of a BSG feeling at all. And I'm a HUGE VOY-***, so that was a big plus for me. All in all I think this couuld turn out to be an entertaining series, just as soon as Eli pulls his head out of his armpit and starts nerding it out with Rush!
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:44:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: goodby4u It looks like voyager, bsg, and 24 all rolled into one.
Chloe + Seven of Nine + Gaius Baltar == Super sexy love scene of doom!!!
But really I didn't get much of a BSG feeling at all. And I'm a HUGE VOY-***, so that was a big plus for me. All in all I think this couuld turn out to be an entertaining series, just as soon as Eli pulls his head out of his armpit and starts nerding it out with Rush!
Add Chiana from Farscape, remove Baltar and I'm satisfied
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.20 07:38:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 17/10/2009 15:31:50
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: goodby4u Unfortunately not that much happened this episode, due in part to the damn ship doing all the work.
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
Yep.
Pretty much this.
Also placing my bets on this.
I agree. Still, this was the best episode yet, thanks to Female Lieutenant's big beautiful boobs.
Then there was the whole expanding the storyline bit, bit the "resistance" and Rush's instability. It sets the groundwork for a lot of good potential. The writers could still spoil it, of course, but as the first non-pilot episode, it worked really well. I like how they're fitting Lou Diamond Phillips into it, especially with the colonel's injuries, not to mention the colonel's backstory, Plus the little personal blurbs to the drones added a lot of depth that can be built upon later.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Gibbeous Moon
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Posted - 2009.10.20 18:53:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Denny Haze Robert Carlyle should not play bad guys!
In Human Trafficking and The Last Enemy he was simply excellent as such.
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Saladin
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.21 00:38:00 -
[134]
I have to say this series so far has been a big disappointment. I don't want to repeat what everyone else said, but I will add that the only good thing on the show is the ship, and Lou Diamond Phillips. I find myself hoping the entire cast dies in the next episode.
Oh yeah, I agree, the ship is so totally going to get close to the sun (the Icarus project indeed) and harness the energy some how. If that does not happen then I might continue to watch for a few episodes more.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:09:00 -
[135]
I have to wonder how many of the negative opinions are from people disappointed that it isn't more like SG1 or SGA? I never really followed either that closely (never watched the Auri arc, and watched the rest in what was probably the wrong order), so I don't have any idea what Stargate *should* be. From that point of view, I'm actually rather enjoying it.
Except the communication stones. They really need to put those stones out of an airlock because they're a clumsy plot device which ruins the whole "we're all alone out here" atmosphere. Instead of sending that pathetic Valker guy to help Rush, why didn't someone body-swap with Sam Carter or other similarly qualified expert back on Earth? They'd have got it fixed in no time at all.
So, other than the blue stones, I like the series so far. ____________________
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Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly I have to wonder how many of the negative opinions are from people disappointed that it isn't more like SG1 or SGA? I never really followed either that closely (never watched the Auri arc, and watched the rest in what was probably the wrong order), so I don't have any idea what Stargate *should* be. From that point of view, I'm actually rather enjoying it.
Except the communication stones. They really need to put those stones out of an airlock because they're a clumsy plot device which ruins the whole "we're all alone out here" atmosphere. Instead of sending that pathetic Valker guy to help Rush, why didn't someone body-swap with Sam Carter or other similarly qualified expert back on Earth? They'd have got it fixed in no time at all.
So, other than the blue stones, I like the series so far.
Yes that is just one of the many issues. As to your first point, probably, I have every SG1/A INDIVIDUAL (ie not the Box sets) DVD from each series, and the extra DVD's like the movies and such.
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azeral kulik
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:47:00 -
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im loving it, first seasons are always a bit shakey im hoping that they will make more though. loved sg1 and sga aswell. the back of your neck smells lovely |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.21 17:59:00 -
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Hunh ... thought I'd said all this in another post to this thread but don't see it ...
*shrug*
Anyway - the basic problem I see is this "Lost" in Space(!) idea. I don't want that. I want space battles, blasters, the crew flying the ship. Right now - they're just a bunch of *******s along for the ride. At least the crew of Voyager (which except for 7 sucked) could control their own ship. Right now it's "How is the ship going to save their asses this time?"
Babylon 5, Star Wars, The Treks, SG:SG-1 & SG:A, all had space battles and blasters. There was an enemy to over come. Even if they spent 90% of their time fighting each other, even BSG had space battles.
Right now, the characters are just rats in a maze biting and scratching at each other - and all of them are idiots. Each and every character on that show seems to have had their "Hi! My name is XYZ and I'm a Moron" scene. In other shows - you've got some people who are competent and they have to deal with the people who aren't - but this show seems to be intent on portraying everyone as an imbecile.
Even Math Boy who should be helping Rush - is off chasing The Senator's Daughter and playing with his balls. The CO, instead of forcing someone down Rushes throat he clearly doesn't want - should have been forcing Math Boy to help him.
It's got a space ship in it ... so ... I'll watch it for a while and hope it gets better but right now it's just lame.
I don't have a problem with the basic characters or the actors - it's the attempt to create "Survivor" in Space(!) that I've no interest in.
If that's all this is going to be ... they're going to lose me in a few more episodes.
It's like BSG kept me interested because every now and then they had a good space battle and I just wanted to see how it was going to end ... but ... they didn't even have re-runs because once most people knew what happened they didn't bother to watch the episodes over. I don't imagine DVD sales are doing all that well either. Which is to bad because they had some great actors on that show.
It just seems to me like the people making SG:U and BSG got the idea from all these reality shows that what people want to see is incessant squabbling ... which I do not ...
*shrug*
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Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.21 20:38:00 -
[139]
I agree, you do need space battles, but battles have less impact when you really dont care about the cast. You need build up, and for me I am happy with the way SGU is going and is far far better than SGA, even if it is heavily influenced by BSG. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.21 20:46:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Clone 1 I agree, you do need space battles, but battles have less impact when you really dont care about the cast. You need build up, and for me I am happy with the way SGU is going and is far far better than SGA, even if it is heavily influenced by BSG.
Three episodes of whining and crying, one that was passable, and you're saying it's better than SG-A!? I bet you may have been one of those why don't you "see and wait" crowd who were putting down SGU's detractors. Well, it's here, and I don't think it's "far far better" than SGA, my opinion is that at the moment from what I've seen its far far worse.
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Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:07:00 -
[141]
Not really, I had forgotten about SGU until I saw an advert on sky for it. So far, I just like it more than SGA.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 1 I agree, you do need space battles
Why?
From the looks of it so far, it's not about fighting external enemies, it's a survival drama set in space and it seems to be doing that very well. There's enough "omg we're all gonna die" tension without adding rubber forehead aliens into the picture.
And my guess is you'll get your space battles soon enough. There was that McGuffin that flew off the ship at the end of ep3, no doubt that will result in an enemy spaceship showing up. Then the problem of the day will be "how do we fix the bleedin' guns". ____________________
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly Then the problem of the day will be "how do we fix the bleedin' guns".
<hands up> I've got Weapons Upgrade II, if that helps.
I've just seen the fourth part, so spoiler alert for those which haven't.
I'm somewhat surprised to find that the ship wasn't able to scoop up some of that gas giant stuff for energy.
So far, the show is very much watchable though I am finding I am making comparisons with BSG though I think that it's fair to say that the writing here is nowhere near as subtle. The BSG power struggles were excellently drawn; here it's people shouting at each other. But what is really annoying is that some of the characters, such as the Marine Sergeant, really has come out of Casting Central.
I keep expecting Eli to hear the drums and then find out he's a Cylon.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:49:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Gibbeous Moon I'm somewhat surprised to find that the ship wasn't able to scoop up some of that gas giant stuff for energy.
It probably did, and now is flying towards the sun to pick up enough energy to kick start a fusion reaction in the collected hydrogen. The characters will be tearing their hair out at the thought of flying into the sun, then at the last moment, the FTL drive will kick in and they'll fly THROUGH the sun unscathed.
Calling it now. ____________________
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:55:00 -
[145]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Gibbeous Moon I'm somewhat surprised to find that the ship wasn't able to scoop up some of that gas giant stuff for energy.
It probably did, and now is flying towards the sun to pick up enough energy to kick start a fusion reaction in the collected hydrogen. The characters will be tearing their hair out at the thought of flying into the sun, then at the last moment, the FTL drive will kick in and they'll fly THROUGH the sun unscathed.
Calling it now.
/points at the post where I said I called this a page ago
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:57:00 -
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Yup, I suppose one needs the sun to light the blue touch paper of something.
And then the ship will soar magnificently out of the sun and then, in my head, the incidental music from The Raiders Of The Lost Ark will be playing.
I am loving Carlysle in this but I wonder if he'll want to stick with this for a whole series.
Still we're getting enough material here if in case they make a sequel to Galaxy Quest.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.24 01:48:00 -
[147]
Called it.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.24 01:50:00 -
[148]
Obvious plot twist is obvious.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.24 04:17:00 -
[149]
Originally by: goodby4u Called it.
It wasn't all that difficult a prediction.
Considering the ship is the main character of the show and as such is pretty much safe from death (unless of course a time travel or alternate universe plot comes up, which has a 100% chance of occuring if the show survives for more then one season).
So far it seems SyFy canceled a show about people in a far off galaxy with limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate, to create a show about...people in a very far off galaxy with very limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate. Can't really expect them to come up with original ideas, or atleast ones that are not so horribly predicable that you can guess the whole plot based on the preview alone.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.24 04:31:00 -
[150]
BTW, that Senators daughter.
What a **** tease she is. Anyone else agree?
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Posted - 2009.10.24 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 24/10/2009 09:02:37 Ha! Ha! That L T is sure getting around ...
As much as a lot of us would love to see Math Boy get some ... it's to the shows credit that "he's just a friend" ... poor math boy ...
Ah well ... for an episode we all knew the conclusion of, it didn't do that badly. I liked the crowd control solution the CO came up with. No one would mob the shuttle until the last name was called in case it was them and he had people in place with guns to keep that from happening.
Of course the whole Gravity sling shot at the end was horse ****. Yes. If you are a current day human space craft that measures it's time to cross a solar system in years - the gravity assist really helps. For some Ancients craft ... how much speed could it add? 1) The idea that the shuttle wouldn't have the normal space speed to catch up with the mother ship is lame - and - 2) we've already seen a shuttle leave the ships deck DURING FTL. So you would think the shuttles have FTL as well.
Oh yeah and the little silliness there at the end about Rush knowing what was going to happen was moronic. That was lame ass writers creating a conflict that would not have existed. Just stupid.
Oh well ... there wasn't anything else better to watch on. I think the History Channel had on something about Tofu ...
Actually, since they repeated last weeks episode ... I could probably get by with just watching every other week and stay current on what's happening.
*shrug*
Oh ... and about my space battles - if you like a story about a bunch of morons try their best NOT to survive by squabbling amongst each other - congratulations - you've got it! I'd rather have my space battles ...
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.24 09:23:00 -
[152]
Edited by: goodby4u on 24/10/2009 09:25:45
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: goodby4u Called it.
It wasn't all that difficult a prediction.
Considering the ship is the main character of the show and as such is pretty much safe from death (unless of course a time travel or alternate universe plot comes up, which has a 100% chance of occuring if the show survives for more then one season).
So far it seems SyFy canceled a show about people in a far off galaxy with limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate, to create a show about...people in a very far off galaxy with very limited resources on an alien spaceship having adventures using the stargate. Can't really expect them to come up with original ideas, or atleast ones that are not so horribly predicable that you can guess the whole plot based on the preview alone.
Still, I called it.
As far as the episode went, absolutely nothing happened worth mentioning besides the senator's daughter is a ***** and math boy is good at math... Oh and rush is a ****.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.24 14:25:00 -
[153]
1. the actress that plays Chloe needs acting lessons. Seriously.
2. In my opinion the "we're all going to die so lets send 15 people off!" was too soon in the show for my tastes. We havenĘt connected to any of the characters (save maybe math boy) to really care who lived or who died.
3. Destiny can fly into a sun to replenish its energy... so then why has the ship taken such a pounding? Surely if the shields are powerful enough so that those on the inside didnĘt notice an increase of heat or the turbulence from the sun and so forth surely the shields would be powerful enough to laugh at anything thrown at them both natural and artificially created.
4. The idea of Rush knowing all along was weak in my opinion. If he knew he would have shown off and wouldnĘt have risked losing the supplies (he's self serving). Hell if I had been accused of knowing but not saying anything id just give the guy a dirty look and walk off not bothering to say anything either.
5. Id say the only pro in this list was that Greer (the soldier with an attitude problem) mellowed out some, though this may have just been due to facing his death.
I do have to hand it to the writers though in regards to setting up the first six episodes (the next one, according to gateworld deals with the water problem) with the crew having to literally acquire all the basic needs for life on a ship, ie air, power and water. It gives the feeling that, quite literally, they were not prepared.
Hopefully the input from nelson families and fans is having an affect on episodes not yet written and hopefully these episodes will be aired before the mid season break otherwise I doubt the show will make it past season 1.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:55:00 -
[154]
So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from. -----
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Dansel
Gallente Omega-Fleet Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:15:00 -
[155]
Although I do somewhat enjoy the series, I have to say that this ain't Science Fiction, it's more DramaFiction.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.24 19:02:00 -
[156]
DramaFiction set in space, agreed. But is that a bad thing? BSG pulled it off well, and I think SGU has made a good start too. ____________________
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:09:00 -
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All depends on whether or not you like Drama Fiction. I don't.
I put up with a lot to see space battles and BSG had some good ones, I also liked a lot of the actors/characters. I thought they did a good job of what the writers told them to do.
But drama for drama's sake is lame. There should be enough drama in going into space and facing an unending series of unknown dangers - without turning the show into "Survivor/Lost - In Space(!)" Interminable character squabbling is a waste of story time. Some of it is to be expected - but to have personality conflicts the bulk of what the show is really about ... just makes me want to vomit.
You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
Of course ... what I love or hate is of no importance to the studio executives who are trying to figure out how to milk the very last dime of advertising revenue they can out of a show - but I still don't have to like it.
As I've said, there isn't much else that's on and this show does have a space ship in it, so I'll probably watch for a while the same way I did with BSG just to see what happens ... but ... there's no rerun value in that.
But whatever - if you enjoy it - good for you.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:46:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
No. SGU does not resemble a reality show in any way, shape, or form. ____________________
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.24 22:27:00 -
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you know the start of this episode almost made me stop watching, way too much drama not enough sci-fi
but after rush chilled a bit, the story was actually pretty good even though i called it from the start it was watchable, with the old science spark at the end between rush and maths boy
i don't know why the hell they added the whole "did you know that" thing it was such a stupid plot to put in just becuase they could, much better left alone if you ask me.
and they did not leave this epidode hinged onto the other, so i am looking forward now to the next installment, i am all for drama but they need to remember this is a sci fi, and girls crying and people raging is not the most awesome thing we want to see, we want to see that mixed with spaceships\!!
although i did love when the dude who's name i can't remember played smack down on the guy trying to start a riot! :)
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You know what the writers are doing. They look at Reality TV and the voyeuristic attraction it has for people and they try to bring that to a Sci Fi show. I hate that.
No. SGU does not resemble a reality show in any way, shape, or form.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Have you even been watching?
A reality show with lots of contrived drama rama is exactly what it is like.
Now - as to the reason for the little "did he know" - that is because we are already encountering SG:U dogma.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer had dogma - i.e. - No One Shall Ever Be Happy, and other things.
SG:U has Dogma - i.e. - Rush's Motives Must Always Be In Question.
It's asinine in both cases as dogma usually is - but - there you have it - plan on seeing this lots more. If they did this here - they will do it again and again and again.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:14:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:33:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.25 05:39:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
See that is the thing. It's like they wanted the tech to be pre-Atlantis with the look of everything (not being crystal based and all), but then gave it that advanced FTL and shields that are way beyond the level of the Ancient warships that showed up in Atlantis.
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.25 05:49:00 -
[164]
I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:45:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Lance Fighter I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
It didnt actually run out of power, it just took nearly every last drop of it to power the shield when it came into the sun. If you think about it for a moment any intelligent designer would allow power to continue to flow to artifical gravity in situations like that otherwise the crew would be at the mercy of the ship moving around suddenly and so forth. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:48:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai So let me get this straight... computers in ships of this technology can automatically calculate dead-on trajectories from the outskirts of a system, through the gravity well and atmosphere of a gas giant and through the corona of a star, but not figure out how to make a similar slingshot move for its shuttle?
It took math-boy five seconds to make the calculation, and the ship probably had much more accurate readings on the gravitational properties of the planet than whatever estimations he was working from.
Well in fairness the shuttle did seem to have been part of the on-ship museum.
Not sure how else you explain the size of the shuttle and the fact that it actually has reaction engines and manueveuring jets, being on an Ancient starship.
Really so far none of the technology makes any sense at all if the other shows are taken into account.
Maybe they have their estimates wrong then and this ship predates everything known to man and is the ancient ancient vessel, since it was one of the ships sent out to build stargates, unless I dreamt that part up...
See that is the thing. It's like they wanted the tech to be pre-Atlantis with the look of everything (not being crystal based and all), but then gave it that advanced FTL and shields that are way beyond the level of the Ancient warships that showed up in Atlantis.
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
I'm sure there will be a whole episode dedicated to sorting that up.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.25 12:09:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Xen Gin on 25/10/2009 12:09:51
Originally by: Lance Fighter I want to know what shipyard BUILT the thing... Surely, even thousands of years later, it could still be useful somehow. Look at atlantis..
Also, it kinda makes me wonder about a few things - The ship ran out of power.. why were they still standing upright? From the few looks i get, it seems like they are oriented perpendicular to the line of acceleration, so didnt they kinda think of that?
I don't think there are (space) ship yard built, the Goauld used gravity powered yards and pyramids, even earths first Starship, the Prometheus was built under ground. The tech probably just skipped that phase.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.10.25 14:50:00 -
[168]
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: goodby4u
I am calling it now, next episode they are going to whine about going towards the sun and the ship is going to use the sun to recharge it's energy somehow.
first thing i thought myself. if it ends up being that predictable and stupid. i'm going to ragequit on my television
...que ragequit and deprogramming of this terrible television show from my DVR.
I gave it a chance, and as bad as i want to have a cool scifi show to look forward to on friday, i'm not this desperate.
i'd rather watch paint dry than to subject myself to another minute of this dry corporate 'dark and gritty' absolutely-uninspired regurgitated and repackaged ****.
/ragequit
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:33:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Wendat Huron
And from the way they made it sound, Destiny was sent out shortly before the Ancients ascended since that was the reason the ship was abandoned.
Nah it sounds more like it was way befoe that, defo predates atlantis, ie does not seem to have any of the ancient gene to operate the equipment or run on ZPMs . ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Gaborelle
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:11:00 -
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the ship has been flying for hundreds of thousands of years
the ancients only learned how to accend somewhere in the last ten thousand years
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:04:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Gaborelle the ship has been flying for hundreds of thousands of years
the ancients only learned how to accend somewhere in the last ten thousand years
The opening scene of Stargate Atlantis, is the City with the caption, "Several Million Years ago", and since the creators stated the Ship is pre-Atlantean (that's why the gate is a basic version!), therefore the ship is substantially older than hundreds of thousands of years.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:06:00 -
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It's so slow paced, not enough story going on, they need more threads.
Also the paranoia, why isn't anyone asking themselves that if he knew before hand, what was his gain from putting random people on a shuttle? He wants Destiny all for himself in the end? To what end, what is Destiny without other people?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly". On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: F'nog Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly".
I'd imagine any advanced basic shuttle computer would have certain manoeuvres built into it, and since Eli worked out the maths in a little under 10 seconds (probably without knowing accurate gravimetric readings of the planet BTW) the shuttle should easily have done the calculations.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:43:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: F'nog Even though we predicted 90% of it here well beforehand, I actually liked it - that could just be because I assumed it wouldn't be good. I was a bit surprised that they added another problem at the end, with the shuttle. It was a refreshing change that they sort of acknowledged that seasoned SG and sci-fi vets would know the whole sun bit was a false flag.
I haven't done the math on the slingshot, but it could have just been that the Ancients were so far advanced that they wouldn't have thought of doing such a maneuver with the shuttle - sort of how Thor needed Carter to solve the Replicator problem.
While not much really happened, it did once again set up a lot of possibilities.
I agree that the Rush bit was overdone. He could have simply said, "I figured there was a reason it was heading towards the star, and was rather hopeful it would work out." Or something like that. Maybe that would be too Baltaresque.
The being too far advanced is a good point but then again the destiny did a similar move that only slowed them down (the opposite effect). What's possible though is the destiny computer houses some sort of AI, which would explain why when Rush inputs a request or something along those lines Destiny responds where as the shuttles lack such a capability. In other words the shuttle needs the pilot to know what they are doing where as Destiny is more "user friendly".
I'd imagine any advanced basic shuttle computer would have certain manoeuvres built into it, and since Eli worked out the maths in a little under 10 seconds (probably without knowing accurate gravimetric readings of the planet BTW) the shuttle should easily have done the calculations.
I dont recall the exact scene but he was on the destiny so wouldnt it be logical to assume he was using the destinys computer to do the calculations?
Another thing to consider is ancient technology uses crystal based computers as opposed to magnetic and based on the previous two shows size, color and shape play a factor in how the crystal works in relation to the computer or system (case in point, atlantis had the only control crystal capable of dialing to earth). My point to this is that size matters in terms of computing power for ancient computers and the shuttle likely lacks the size to house a computer of needed size for stuff other than basic commands.
That said it would be logical to assume some sort of communication between the shuttle and destiny can occur but because they havent unlocked all of destiny's systems such a system may be inactive. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 17:10:32
Originally by: Jacob Mei I dont recall the exact scene but he was on the destiny so wouldnt it be logical to assume he was using the destinys computer to do the calculations?
Another thing to consider is ancient technology uses crystal based computers as opposed to magnetic and based on the previous two shows size, color and shape play a factor in how the crystal works in relation to the computer or system (case in point, atlantis had the only control crystal capable of dialing to earth). My point to this is that size matters in terms of computing power for ancient computers and the shuttle likely lacks the size to house a computer of needed size for stuff other than basic commands.
That said it would be logical to assume some sort of communication between the shuttle and destiny can occur but because they havent unlocked all of destiny's systems such a system may be inactive.
But yet, those are outrageous assumptions to make. An advanced spaceships shuttle not big enough to house the computers of NASA in 1968-9 maybe, but what you said, just nonsense. Wait he's doing the calculations on destiny's computer? but they don't have access? but they do have access, Rush just unlocked comms between the Destiny and Shuttle, but they don't have access? (They also sent the path to the shuttle from destiny anyway, showing that the shuttle did have a data connection with the ship!) See nonsense.
The fact is, anybody who builds an advanced computer for an advanced shuttle would include basic manoeuvres like using a planet to build up speed, almost every unmanned space craft sent to other planets has had to use slingshot manoeuvres, and any spaceship with an advanced enough computer would have to have this installed. Taking along math boy and getting him to update calculations every 10 seconds would be the death of a ship.
Plot holes big enough to fly that big arse shuttle through.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Also the paranoia, why isn't anyone asking themselves that if he knew before hand, what was his gain from putting random people on a shuttle? He wants Destiny all for himself in the end? To what end, what is Destiny without other people?
The only thing I can think of is that it's 17 fewer mouths to feed. But when you consider that he gave those 17 mouths all the food, it falls apart. Another possibility is like Young said in the previous episode: he's just starting fires so he can be the hero and put them out. It's a hell of a risk to take though, letting all those supplies fly away, as well as your only working shuttle. ____________________
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin But yet, those are outrageous assumptions to make. An advanced spaceships shuttle not big enough to house the computers of NASA in 1968-9 maybe, but what you said, just nonsense. Wait he's doing the calculations on destiny's computer? but they don't have access? but they do have access, Rush just unlocked comms between the Destiny and Shuttle, but they don't have access? (They also sent the path to the shuttle from destiny anyway, showing that the shuttle did have a data connection with the ship!) See nonsense.
The fact is, anybody who builds an advanced computer for an advanced shuttle would include basic manoeuvres like using a planet to build up speed, almost every unmanned space craft sent to other planets has had to use slingshot manoeuvres, and any spaceship with an advanced enough computer would have to have this installed. Taking along math boy and getting him to update calculations every 10 seconds would be the death of a ship.
Plot holes big enough to fly that big arse shuttle through.
They don't have access to the core systems. Basic life support, energy, shields/structural integrity. Look at it as having a guest account on any windows pc. You can still use calculator and a browser, but you can't mess around with deep settings like drivers, registry etc.
They didn't need communications before, and had much more pressing needs. It stands to reason that they didn't bother with comms untill they actually needed it.
Also, no one on the shuttle knew *how* to do those calculations. They knew how to fly it but not how to use the computers.
What plot holes? So far they're doing a pretty good job. I think most people complaining about the show are the standard forum trolls looking for something to do.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin stuff.
Unfortunately I didnĘt have time to go over my own **** so ill try to specify (was on lunch break so I apologize).
How Eli worked the info: They are not completely locked out of DestinyĘs systems and I used the term locked out sparingly (as it is more due to ignorance of how the systems work as opposed to actually being locked out of the systems). This has been demonstrated repeatedly in the show with things like accessing databases and what not, all it takes it playing with the systems to get an idea on how they work.
From Gateworld.net: Quote: designed to be a follow-up craft to numerous ships which preceded it in the universe. These other ships were sent out to gather data, resources, manufacture Stargates and deposit them on habitable worlds. Thus there may be hundreds to thousands of isolated Stargate networks in the universe.
Destiny possesses knowledge on the composition and resources of these worlds to aid the crew in retrieving the necessary supplies. All that is necessary are the proper queries to the database.
It is logical to assume that these ships transmit the information back to destiny and destiny (ie destiny functions as a huge server). Information needed for the slingshot maneuver would likely have been sent to destiny by these ships (which would explain how destiny was able to pull off the ōreverse slingshotö it did) and thus Eli may have simply requested the proper information. Granted this is making several assumptions but I would argue these are logical ones.
Why the shuttle didnĘt have the information: Lets pretend we are ancients for a minute. You have sent unmanned ships out to explore the universe, take down info, and seed stargates. You build destiny to then go follow those ships, receive that information and generally watch out for itself while uninhabited (this means keeping track of any information that may be needed for the ships survival as well as the survival of the crew later on). It does not make sense to put on the shuttle a computer advanced enough to store that information when the destiny can transmit the exact numbers to it.
You may argue that a sling shot is relatively easy to do but keep in mind that the shuttle arrived at the exact spot it needed to be (generally lined up with destiny) instead of being plus or minus 30 degrees.
Why didnĘt the shuttle automatically make the maneuver? Plot hole, the shuttle wasnĘt receiving the uplink automatically, it was never meant to be automatic, take your pick it made for in the writers mind good tv drama.
If we want to talk about plot holes here are a few (at least until their answered):
Stargates draw their power from the dialing gate then what is the point of the ship having to be within range of a gate to begin with?
If the ships sheilds can survive litterally entering a sun then why is there even hull damage to begin with? Surely if the ships shields are that powerful then anything man made wouldnt be able to breach them. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 20:16:01 Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 20:06:56
Originally by: Jacob Mei
It is logical to assume that these ships transmit the information back to destiny and destiny (ie destiny functions as a huge server). Information needed for the slingshot maneuver would likely have been sent to destiny by these ships (which would explain how destiny was able to pull off the ōreverse slingshotö it did) and thus Eli may have simply requested the proper information. Granted this is making several assumptions but I would argue these are logical ones.
Why the shuttle didnĘt have the information: Lets pretend we are ancients for a minute. You have sent unmanned ships out to explore the universe, take down info, and seed stargates. You build destiny to then go follow those ships, receive that information and generally watch out for itself while uninhabited (this means keeping track of any information that may be needed for the ships survival as well as the survival of the crew later on). It does not make sense to put on the shuttle a computer advanced enough to store that information when the destiny can transmit the exact numbers to it.
You may argue that a sling shot is relatively easy to do but keep in mind that the shuttle arrived at the exact spot it needed to be (generally lined up with destiny) instead of being plus or minus 30 degrees.
Why didnĘt the shuttle automatically make the maneuver? Plot hole, the shuttle wasnĘt receiving the uplink automatically, it was never meant to be automatic, take your pick it made for in the writers mind good tv drama.
If we want to talk about plot holes here are a few (at least until their answered):
Stargates draw their power from the dialing gate then what is the point of the ship having to be within range of a gate to begin with?
If the ships sheilds can survive litterally entering a sun then why is there even hull damage to begin with? Surely if the ships shields are that powerful then anything man made wouldnt be able to breach them.
Knowledge of every system the seeder planets and Destiny ever visited isn't needed, its a complex mathematical formula based on current sensory readings of a planet. You don't need some giant galactic computer to store that crap on a shuttle.
And lets not forget, he would have to have worked out that path, the computer written in ancient, using the ancient base 6 maths that they used, no doubt they weren't able to change the language to 'English'.
Would you trust his 10 second math, calculated in a different base system, in another language that he only had a basic understanding of? I sure as hell wouldn't. So to say he pulled that out within 10 seconds, is just pure fantasy. Had he however just said to the computer to calculate the flight path for the shuttle that is reasonable. But he would have done none of the math, and Eli calling him self math boy is pretty false.
However you are right that those plot holes are there too. The shielding is probably THE largest one so far.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 20:16:01 Edited by: Xen Gin on 28/10/2009 20:06:56
Originally by: Jacob Mei
It is logical to assume that these ships transmit the information back to destiny and destiny (ie destiny functions as a huge server). Information needed for the slingshot maneuver would likely have been sent to destiny by these ships (which would explain how destiny was able to pull off the ōreverse slingshotö it did) and thus Eli may have simply requested the proper information. Granted this is making several assumptions but I would argue these are logical ones.
Why the shuttle didnĘt have the information: Lets pretend we are ancients for a minute. You have sent unmanned ships out to explore the universe, take down info, and seed stargates. You build destiny to then go follow those ships, receive that information and generally watch out for itself while uninhabited (this means keeping track of any information that may be needed for the ships survival as well as the survival of the crew later on). It does not make sense to put on the shuttle a computer advanced enough to store that information when the destiny can transmit the exact numbers to it.
You may argue that a sling shot is relatively easy to do but keep in mind that the shuttle arrived at the exact spot it needed to be (generally lined up with destiny) instead of being plus or minus 30 degrees.
Why didnĘt the shuttle automatically make the maneuver? Plot hole, the shuttle wasnĘt receiving the uplink automatically, it was never meant to be automatic, take your pick it made for in the writers mind good tv drama.
If we want to talk about plot holes here are a few (at least until their answered):
Stargates draw their power from the dialing gate then what is the point of the ship having to be within range of a gate to begin with?
If the ships sheilds can survive litterally entering a sun then why is there even hull damage to begin with? Surely if the ships shields are that powerful then anything man made wouldnt be able to breach them.
Knowledge of every system the seeder planets and Destiny ever visited isn't needed, its a complex mathematical formula based on current sensory readings of a planet. You don't need some giant galactic computer to store that crap on a shuttle.
And lets not forget, he would have to have worked out that path, the computer written in ancient, using the ancient base 6 maths that they used, no doubt they weren't able to change the language to 'English'.
Would you trust his 10 second math, calculated in a different base system, in another language that he only had a basic understanding of? I sure as hell wouldn't. So to say he pulled that out within 10 seconds, is just pure fantasy. Had he however just said to the computer to calculate the flight path for the shuttle that is reasonable. But he would have done none of the math, and Eli calling him self math boy is pretty false.
However you are right that those plot holes are there too. The shielding is probably THE largest one so far.
I think we need to agree to disagree on this as there are just too many possibilities. Though in regards to his self appointed nick name, if I recall he claimed that after having completed the proof. Eli's importance seems more to be the fact that he can adapt to the situation quickly, he's inquizative, case in point while the scientists were mooping about the MIT drop out was working on the air problem in the second or third episode. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei I think we need to agree to disagree on this as there are just too many possibilities. Though in regards to his self appointed nick name, if I recall he claimed that after having completed the proof. Eli's importance seems more to be the fact that he can adapt to the situation quickly, he's inquizative, case in point while the scientists were mooping about the MIT drop out was working on the air problem in the second or third episode.
Yeah, I do agree with you. There are many possibilities.
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Joseph 9
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:01:00 -
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Did anyone else think after the latest episode that given the ship had just recharged by diving into a star it probably had sufficient energy to dial Earth...?
Also with regards to the shields tanking the upper layers of a star but the ship being damaged I presume the damage came from the battle that was mention in the pilot (wrong episode maybe?). Having said which, anything that can punch through a star proof shield would surely ablate solid matter instantly?
And the whole "Did Rush know it would survive the star dive" thing was just utter stupidity, very annoying. I had a mild hankering to see Rush go all Begby on the colonels ass for saying that.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joseph 9 Did anyone else think after the latest episode that given the ship had just recharged by diving into a star it probably had sufficient energy to dial Earth...?
Im sure thats going to be explored in the next episode (and found ineffective, otherwise the show would be awfully short now wouldnt it). Given though it took the strength of an unussual planet to dial the destiny I doubt the ship would have soaked up that much power from the sun so quickly. It would be interesting though to find out how the ancients had planned on solving that problem, likely bring several ZPM's with them.
Also with regards to the shields tanking the upper layers of a star but the ship being damaged I presume the damage came from the battle that was mention in the pilot (wrong episode maybe?). Having said which, anything that can punch through a star proof shield would surely ablate solid matter instantly?
The only thing I could think of is that the shields were somehow down at the time but given that they were working after all this time (and that even with hardly any energy left they survived a star) I doubt that could be possible and would be god like.
And the whole "Did Rush know it would survive the star dive" thing was just utter stupidity, very annoying. I had a mild hankering to see Rush go all Begby on the colonels ass for saying that.
Yeah I agree but I think Rush's non response was very fitting. If someone basicly just accused me of knowing I may have sent 17 people to their deaths unnessessarly I would have just walked off without saying a word to the idiot.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.29 09:16:00 -
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So I re-watched SG:A and most of it still worked, much better than any Star Trek anyways.
Now I'm looking to give SG:1 another chance but last time around I found it to be an intolerable suckfest. I think it's partially me not being able to stand most the cast.
Is there bits and pieces I might as well skip? What are the strengths of this series?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.29 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 29/10/2009 15:16:42
Originally by: Danton Marcellus So I re-watched SG:A and most of it still worked, much better than any Star Trek anyways.
Now I'm looking to give SG:1 another chance but last time around I found it to be an intolerable suckfest. I think it's partially me not being able to stand most the cast.
Is there bits and pieces I might as well skip? What are the strengths of this series?
I too am watching Atlantis through again, but my dvds seem to be error filled with skips and freezes even though they are pristine. They played through fine the first time when I bought them, but now on different DVD players they are preventing me from watching them again.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.29 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus So I re-watched SG:A and most of it still worked, much better than any Star Trek anyways.
Now I'm looking to give SG:1 another chance but last time around I found it to be an intolerable suckfest. I think it's partially me not being able to stand most the cast.
Is there bits and pieces I might as well skip? What are the strengths of this series?
To be honest you can stop watching when the Ori arc begins (I think that begins either in season 8 or 9), its just not worth it in my opinion. Dont bother with the SG-1 movies either, their dissapointments. Though on the other hand at one point SG1 and Atlantis were doing a sort of cross over thing where instead of two seperate episodes, it was like a 2 hour tv movie with the two casts involved (so those episodes, if you are watching atlantis, might be worth your attention). On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:18:00 -
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I hope they would kill off most of the current cast soon, or at least Rush and Chloe _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:19:00 -
[190]
Originally by: FlameGlow I hope they would kill off most of the current cast soon, or at least Rush and Chloe
Rush, no. Hes the Rodney/Sam of the group. Chloe, strong possibility she'll be killed off at some point. She seems to really be nothing more than a love interest at this point and we all know what happens to characters who are just that. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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karma militia
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BAH!
Everyone know's stargate stopped being cool after it lost Richard Dean Anderson.
and no, it will never be good again.
NOW STOP YOU WHINING!
Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: FlameGlow I hope they would kill off most of the current cast soon, or at least Rush and Chloe
Rush, no. Hes the Rodney/Sam of the group. Chloe, strong possibility she'll be killed off at some point. She seems to really be nothing more than a love interest at this point and we all know what happens to characters who are just that.
No no no. She'll reveal secret ninja skills and dress up in tight latex as a part of the ships strike force. Mark my words!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:54:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: FlameGlow I hope they would kill off most of the current cast soon, or at least Rush and Chloe
Rush, no. Hes the Rodney/Sam of the group. Chloe, strong possibility she'll be killed off at some point. She seems to really be nothing more than a love interest at this point and we all know what happens to characters who are just that.
No no no. She'll reveal secret ninja skills and dress up in tight latex as a part of the ships strike force. Mark my words!
Maybe in Math boys dreams, and then later that episode she'll be killed off. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.31 01:14:00 -
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Wonder where I can buy a Kenoboard.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.31 01:21:00 -
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Possible explanation for the shield 'plot hole':
The shields were simply made to withstand the temperatures and friction at the star's surface, not combat-related shennanigans. The outside of star is pretty much just very hot gas, much more predictable and controllable than a focused nuke or other such directed weapon.
If you insist that a star is more powerful than that, maybe they simply encountered a ridiculously powerful alien race. Since Destiny can go FTL without going into hyperspace it stands to reason that it's immune while in FTL mode, and escaped that way.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Possible explanation for the shield 'plot hole':
The shields were simply made to withstand the temperatures and friction at the star's surface, not combat-related shennanigans. The outside of star is pretty much just very hot gas, much more predictable and controllable than a focused nuke or other such directed weapon.
If you insist that a star is more powerful than that, maybe they simply encountered a ridiculously powerful alien race. Since Destiny can go FTL without going into hyperspace it stands to reason that it's immune while in FTL mode, and escaped that way.
That does make sence to a certain degree though I can't imagine the ancients building a follow up ship without giving it shields and weapons to defend itself (and later the crew). On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.31 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Reiisha Possible explanation for the shield 'plot hole':
The shields were simply made to withstand the temperatures and friction at the star's surface, not combat-related shennanigans. The outside of star is pretty much just very hot gas, much more predictable and controllable than a focused nuke or other such directed weapon.
If you insist that a star is more powerful than that, maybe they simply encountered a ridiculously powerful alien race. Since Destiny can go FTL without going into hyperspace it stands to reason that it's immune while in FTL mode, and escaped that way.
That does make sence to a certain degree though I can't imagine the ancients building a follow up ship without giving it shields and weapons to defend itself (and later the crew).
Ancients are pacifists, it is possible they only gave the ship incredible defensive capability and expect to simply outrun their enemies.
Irregardless, the ship will have epic shield capabilities because it is designed not only to go through suns but also protect a large number of ancients against possibly harmful races, it would be rather short sighted to simply ignore any decent shields.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.31 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
One of their allies was rather pacifistic in the current timeline, but they were more the "we are so far beyond your level of advancement that in no way will you ever be a threat and so we refuse to waste the energy appearing to defend ourselves" type.
As for the shield stuff. Ship shields tend to treat all damage the same. Personal shields can be pierced by slow moving projectiles, but ship shields are usually treated as having a set amount of "power" that once it runs out shields fail and things go boom quickly.
Granted this "power" is defined by the plot and can either fail after one shot from a random alien energy weapon or two shots from an Ori energy beam. And in true sci-fi tradition, the shields do nothing to prevent computer consoles from randomly exploding (you'd think people in the future would figure out a fix for this type of thing).
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 31/10/2009 04:02:55
Originally by: Khemul Zula And in true sci-fi tradition, the shields do nothing to prevent computer consoles from randomly exploding (you'd think people in the future would figure out a fix for this type of thing).
You'd think somebody would stop tying in every console to the shields and hull. Maybe if they only had some sort of localised power surge protector for a certain area to stop the random overload of consoles, like my house has.
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goodby4u
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Edited by: goodby4u on 31/10/2009 04:16:44
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
One of their allies was rather pacifistic in the current timeline, but they were more the "we are so far beyond your level of advancement that in no way will you ever be a threat and so we refuse to waste the energy appearing to defend ourselves" type.
They were pacifists, because they ran from every conflict and fought every war the same way.
The ori for example, instead of battling them(suicidal as it might be)they ran.
The wraith, they fought a defensive war and when they began to lose they ran back to the milky way.
Finally they ascended because of their ability to be pacifists sometime when they were in the milky way galaxy, and now they almost never use their powers in battle.
The only reason they developed weapons were in defense, atleast that is what the storyline tells us.
EDIT:You are referring to the knox(however you spell their name) and they are capable of avoiding battle because their tech allows them and they are not explorers, whereas the ancients may have the tech to do this but they are explorers and thus are more vulnerable to attack.
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Jacob Mei
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
Thats not really right either. Publicly they are big on non-intervention but as has been pointed out by several acended ancients and even Anubis, they really only follow that policy when it fits their agenda. There are several examples where the ancients as a collective intervined (Sams acended boyfriend told her that the ancients wiped out an entire planets population because he gave that planet the ability to defend itself). On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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The Ancients do appear to be horrible fighters. They rely too much on their technology (which is never as superior as they think). But that doesn't really make them pacifists. It makes them not aggressive. They are perfectly willing to fight, they'd just rather not.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
Thats not really right either. Publicly they are big on non-intervention but as has been pointed out by several acended ancients and even Anubis, they really only follow that policy when it fits their agenda. There are several examples where the ancients as a collective intervined (Sams acended boyfriend told her that the ancients wiped out an entire planets population because he gave that planet the ability to defend itself).
Technically they wiped out the population to correct his intervention on that world. Anubis was a punishment for an Ancient interfering (helping people ascend).
The Ancients will stop any (major) intervention with non-ascended beings, even if it means allowing (or causing) whole civilizations to be destroyed.
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2009.10.31 04:47:00 -
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Depends on your definition of pacifism in this case...
A typical definition is an opposition to war, and the back story does show that they are opposed to war however they aren't willing to die off as a race as a result of a belief, so they defend themselves... Note the fine line of defend themselves, they don't go on offense(as far as the battle with the wraith go).
Also as far as we know their bigger ships and cities would not be cloaked, that was a result of our resourcefulness.... So they were indeed forced to develop weapons and shields to survive.
Their true nature can be seen through what they had to do to ascend, become so passive to the point of not defending themselves by monsters(in that one sga episode where the people were in the time dilation field.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 31/10/2009 04:16:44
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
One of their allies was rather pacifistic in the current timeline, but they were more the "we are so far beyond your level of advancement that in no way will you ever be a threat and so we refuse to waste the energy appearing to defend ourselves" type.
They were pacifists, because they ran from every conflict and fought every war the same way.
The ori for example, instead of battling them(suicidal as it might be)they ran.
The wraith, they fought a defensive war and when they began to lose they ran back to the milky way.
Finally they ascended because of their ability to be pacifists sometime when they were in the milky way galaxy, and now they almost never use their powers in battle.
The only reason they developed weapons were in defense, atleast that is what the storyline tells us.
EDIT:You are referring to the knox(however you spell their name) and they are capable of avoiding battle because their tech allows them and they are not explorers, whereas the ancients may have the tech to do this but they are explorers and thus are more vulnerable to attack.
Uh, no. Thats strategic retreating (they reconized a hopeless battle when they saw it).
Ori: Its explained in Arc of truth. The good ancients were a minority (much like the Tok'ra) or had been reduced to a small number by the Ori (the two were the same civilization but the Ori wanted to be worshiped as gods). They retreated to a mountain on a planet and instead of convincing the humans that they Ori were no gods they decided it would be better to let people believe whatever the hell they want even if it means they can be destroyed by them (really, really stupid move on their part).
Wraith: The wraith reproduced like rabbits. It was a classic case of the best technology simply being overwelmed by superior numbers (they were blobbed).
Acention: Acention doesnt require being a pacifist, just knowing alot or having a helping hand from an already acended being, otherwise the Ori would never have been able to pull it off. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 31/10/2009 04:16:44
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
One of their allies was rather pacifistic in the current timeline, but they were more the "we are so far beyond your level of advancement that in no way will you ever be a threat and so we refuse to waste the energy appearing to defend ourselves" type.
They were pacifists, because they ran from every conflict and fought every war the same way.
The ori for example, instead of battling them(suicidal as it might be)they ran.
The wraith, they fought a defensive war and when they began to lose they ran back to the milky way.
Finally they ascended because of their ability to be pacifists sometime when they were in the milky way galaxy, and now they almost never use their powers in battle.
The only reason they developed weapons were in defense, atleast that is what the storyline tells us.
EDIT:You are referring to the knox(however you spell their name) and they are capable of avoiding battle because their tech allows them and they are not explorers, whereas the ancients may have the tech to do this but they are explorers and thus are more vulnerable to attack.
Uh, no. Thats strategic retreating (they reconized a hopeless battle when they saw it).
Ori: Its explained in Arc of truth. The good ancients were a minority (much like the Tok'ra) or had been reduced to a small number by the Ori (the two were the same civilization but the Ori wanted to be worshiped as gods). They retreated to a mountain on a planet and instead of convincing the humans that they Ori were no gods they decided it would be better to let people believe whatever the hell they want even if it means they can be destroyed by them (really, really stupid move on their part).
Wraith: The wraith reproduced like rabbits. It was a classic case of the best technology simply being overwelmed by superior numbers (they were blobbed).
Acention: Acention doesnt require being a pacifist, just knowing alot or having a helping hand from an already acended being, otherwise the Ori would never have been able to pull it off.
They had the necessary weapons to defeat the ori(the arc of truth itself) they were simply unwilling to use it(for obvious reasons)... Each battle they were on the losing end of they ran.
They overwhelmed the wraith for about 20-30 years, an offensive would had wiped them out without much trouble, however they were unwilling to attack them.
Watch the ascension episode with the time dilation field in sga, they were complete pacifists.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula The Ancients do appear to be horrible fighters. They rely too much on their technology (which is never as superior as they think). But that doesn't really make them pacifists. It makes them not aggressive. They are perfectly willing to fight, they'd just rather not.
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 03:33:18
Originally by: goodby4u Ancients are pacifists...
The current Ancients believe in non-intervention to the point of allowing the galaxy to be destroyed, but they were not pacifists.
There is a lot of conflict in the Ancient back story. Hell they armed a city(granted it was a spaceship city), which could count on a fleet to defend it. Hell they armed an outpost. They armed their shuttles!
Thats not really right either. Publicly they are big on non-intervention but as has been pointed out by several acended ancients and even Anubis, they really only follow that policy when it fits their agenda. There are several examples where the ancients as a collective intervined (Sams acended boyfriend told her that the ancients wiped out an entire planets population because he gave that planet the ability to defend itself).
Technically they wiped out the population to correct his intervention on that world. Anubis was a punishment for an Ancient interfering (helping people ascend).
The Ancients will stop any (major) intervention with non-ascended beings, even if it means allowing (or causing) whole civilizations to be destroyed.
Anubis has already ascended with Oma's help but after doing something particularly nasty (its never indicated what) they sent him back half way and told him he could use anything ancient so long as he could have discovered it as a ghould in the first place, that was Omas punishment.
I should also point out that Oma acended the entire village on abydos (sp) or the entire planet population (its never really indicated if there are other populations on that planet but it seems its not uncommon for there to be at best only a few million on a planet living close to the stargate) when Anubis blew the planet away and the ancients did nothing to stop it. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
They had the necessary weapons to defeat the ori(the arc of truth itself) they were simply unwilling to use it(for obvious reasons)... Each battle they were on the losing end of they ran.
They overwhelmed the wraith for about 20-30 years, an offensive would had wiped them out without much trouble, however they were unwilling to attack them.
Watch the ascension episode with the time dilation field in sga, they were complete pacifists.
No its explained in the very first episode of Atlantis by the city computer that the ancients were technologically superior but the wraith grew in numbers too fast for them to be defeated and quite litterally the atlantis empire that was in pegasus shrank from galaxy wide to only the city. At that point they decided it just wasnt worth it anymore, sunk the city and retreated back to earth through the stargate. They never overwelmed the wraith, quite the opposite (rewatch the first half hour of the first episode).
The time dilation episode- it wasnt about them being pacifists but facing their fears. If anything those sudo ascended beings were cowards and it took Shepard standing up to the perverbial boogeyman to help them ascend. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
They had the necessary weapons to defeat the ori(the arc of truth itself) they were simply unwilling to use it(for obvious reasons)... Each battle they were on the losing end of they ran.
They overwhelmed the wraith for about 20-30 years, an offensive would had wiped them out without much trouble, however they were unwilling to attack them.
Watch the ascension episode with the time dilation field in sga, they were complete pacifists.
No its explained in the very first episode of Atlantis by the city computer that the ancients were technologically superior but the wraith grew in numbers too fast for them to be defeated and quite litterally the atlantis empire that was in pegasus shrank from galaxy wide to only the city. At that point they decided it just wasnt worth it anymore, sunk the city and retreated back to earth through the stargate. They never overwelmed the wraith, quite the opposite (rewatch the first half hour of the first episode).
They owned or protected about every planet in the galaxy and the wraith started on one, logically the ancients overwhelmed them at some point.
Also that same episode said they won every battle but were losing the war, this means that if they won every battle and were gaining ground then eventually the wraith would run out of cloning facilities and basic planets so they would be overwhelmed again. It is obvious they didn't do this as it would have been a short war.
As far as them being cowards, that was a result of them not wishing to be violent and therefore forfeit their life's work.
The final test for them was in a sense learning the difference between a good reason and a bad reason to fight.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 05:18:47 Most of the examples don't really show them so much as pacifists, so much as just not willing to go all out to stop their enemy.
They will fight, both defensively and offensively, up until a certain point. Then they retreat. This point seems to be about where we'd expect planets to start getting glassed (or even planets/stars being destroyed outright.
It could be that they have a little trauma in the galaxy-wide destruction department (the original fight with the Ori). Or it could be that they just lean a bit towards pacifism. There is plenty of evidence that they are willing to fight, but they arn't willing to use weapons of mass destruction (this is a major reason they lost to the Wraith, they had a weapons to wipe out the Wraith but it would have meant letting a whole lot of stargate explode).
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 05:18:47 Most of the examples don't really show them so much as pacifists, so much as just not willing to go all out to stop their enemy.
They will fight, both defensively and offensively, up until a certain point. Then they retreat. This point seems to be about where we'd expect planets to start getting glassed (or even planets/stars being destroyed outright.
It could be that they have a little trauma in the galaxy-wide destruction department (the original fight with the Ori). Or it could be that they just lean a bit towards pacifism. There is plenty of evidence that they are willing to fight, but they arn't willing to use weapons of mass destruction (this is a major reason they lost to the Wraith, they had a weapons to wipe out the Wraith but it would have meant letting a whole lot of stargate explode).
You might have a point. However I think the ancients wished to be pacifists, but everybody ****ed on their parade and as a result they became bad warriors.
I think one thing that we can all agree on is as stargate progressed ancients looked like bigger and bigger ****s to everybody that they befriended.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
They had the necessary weapons to defeat the ori(the arc of truth itself) they were simply unwilling to use it(for obvious reasons)... Each battle they were on the losing end of they ran.
They overwhelmed the wraith for about 20-30 years, an offensive would had wiped them out without much trouble, however they were unwilling to attack them.
Watch the ascension episode with the time dilation field in sga, they were complete pacifists.
No its explained in the very first episode of Atlantis by the city computer that the ancients were technologically superior but the wraith grew in numbers too fast for them to be defeated and quite litterally the atlantis empire that was in pegasus shrank from galaxy wide to only the city. At that point they decided it just wasnt worth it anymore, sunk the city and retreated back to earth through the stargate. They never overwelmed the wraith, quite the opposite (rewatch the first half hour of the first episode).
They owned or protected about every planet in the galaxy and the wraith started on one, logically the ancients overwhelmed them at some point.
Also that same episode said they won every battle but were losing the war, this means that if they won every battle and were gaining ground then eventually the wraith would run out of cloning facilities and basic planets so they would be overwhelmed again. It is obvious they didn't do this as it would have been a short war.
As far as them being cowards, that was a result of them not wishing to be violent and therefore forfeit their life's work.
The final test for them was in a sense learning the difference between a good reason and a bad reason to fight.
Im really not inclined to go watch the show again but checking gateworld on the information in regards to the wraith, atlantis and the first episode it all points to the same thing in that the ancients had their asses handed to them by the wraith.
They (ancients) may have won ever engagement but when the enemy can replace its numbers far more quickly then you can even your victories become hollow ones (if in a battle you kill 100k enemies and only suffer 1000 losses yourself, but in a few months your enemy can recoop those losses while you cant, its simply turns into a situation where whoever can replenish their numbers the fastest wins the war.)
In regards to the time dialation episode I still think it proves that being a pacifist was not required to ascend. Hell Daniel Jackson sure wasnt one (not to mention he loathed the ghould) and he was allowed to ascend.
In any case thats enough nerdum for me for the evening. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
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Posted - 2009.10.31 05:39:00 -
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I agree, my self confidence is slowly draining as I realize that I watched too much Stargate.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.31 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 06:19:39 Honestly, I think it just comes down to silly writers.
Stargate SG-1 seemed to have had a lot (especially in the early seasons) of the extreme pacifist type of writers. The type that believe that violence shouldn't even be used for self-defense. This tends to give you characters that range from stuck-up to compelete *******s. Daniel Jackson seems at many points like he was meant to be one of these characters and was more pushed in the other direct as the show went on. The Nox were definately designed as hyper-pacifists, which just made them seem like *******s because of the "We won't mention this until everything is over with but we don't need you help. Until then we will keep allowing you to believe we need it though and reinforce our own superiority the whole time over the barbarians (who are just trying to help and would maybe stop trying to kill things if someone just said 'we won't actually die and don't need help')" attitude. Most the other races (including the Ancients and Asgard) just got the stuck-up "We are superior because we are more advanced and don't need to fight like the younger races do!" treatment.
The Ancients were maybe meant to be pacifist because sci-fi writers (especially the extreme pacifists) tend to love the idea of advanced = pacifists. But then they decided to make the galaxy rather violent and hostile, which makes super-advanced pacifists seem like *******s who would rather watch millions die then help, so they were forced to make them more like humans (hell, they made then actually humans ) but still gave them a moral superiority (translation: they suck at fighting and are prone to leaving doomsday tech laying around for others to find but would never dream of using it ).
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Posted - 2009.10.31 10:54:00 -
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Hmmm ... could the ancients be a way of portraying the western industrialized world that allows the third world to roll along in misery, ruled by war lords and religious extremists because they think their sons are to good to go die in the dirt for a bunch of people who don't have lives as good as theirs?
*shrug*
Or ... were they just flailing away ... making it all up as they went along ... and the form the ancients took just ... sorta happened?
Anyway ... SG:U seems to have finally gotten rolling on the "OK. Here's the problem. See the Heroes solve it just before the clock strikes midnight and they all turn into pumpkins," stride that will probably be their staple. Nothing really terrible happened ... writing wise that is. *shrug* I am kind of curious as to how a bunch of space bugs that could fit in a milk can managed to consume 40,000 gallons of water ... or just what good two pallets of ice is going to do in replacing that ... Did I get that figure right? Was it 40,000 gallons? Or was it liters? Either way ... that's like a **** load of water. How much does a swimming pool hold? Is there some secret stash of bug **** down in the bilge where all that water went? Or was it really the bugs that drank it?
*eh*
More shots of the space ship ... ("See our cool model!") ...
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.10.31 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
They had the necessary weapons to defeat the ori(the arc of truth itself) they were simply unwilling to use it(for obvious reasons)... Each battle they were on the losing end of they ran.
They overwhelmed the wraith for about 20-30 years, an offensive would had wiped them out without much trouble, however they were unwilling to attack them.
Watch the ascension episode with the time dilation field in sga, they were complete pacifists.
No its explained in the very first episode of Atlantis by the city computer that the ancients were technologically superior but the wraith grew in numbers too fast for them to be defeated and quite litterally the atlantis empire that was in pegasus shrank from galaxy wide to only the city. At that point they decided it just wasnt worth it anymore, sunk the city and retreated back to earth through the stargate. They never overwelmed the wraith, quite the opposite (rewatch the first half hour of the first episode).
They owned or protected about every planet in the galaxy and the wraith started on one, logically the ancients overwhelmed them at some point.
Also that same episode said they won every battle but were losing the war, this means that if they won every battle and were gaining ground then eventually the wraith would run out of cloning facilities and basic planets so they would be overwhelmed again. It is obvious they didn't do this as it would have been a short war.
As far as them being cowards, that was a result of them not wishing to be violent and therefore forfeit their life's work.
The final test for them was in a sense learning the difference between a good reason and a bad reason to fight.
Im really not inclined to go watch the show again but checking gateworld on the information in regards to the wraith, atlantis and the first episode it all points to the same thing in that the ancients had their asses handed to them by the wraith.
They (ancients) may have won ever engagement but when the enemy can replace its numbers far more quickly then you can even your victories become hollow ones (if in a battle you kill 100k enemies and only suffer 1000 losses yourself, but in a few months your enemy can recoop those losses while you cant, its simply turns into a situation where whoever can replenish their numbers the fastest wins the war.)
In regards to the time dialation episode I still think it proves that being a pacifist was not required to ascend. Hell Daniel Jackson sure wasnt one (not to mention he loathed the ghould) and he was allowed to ascend.
In any case thats enough nerdum for me for the evening.
The wraith managed to get there hands on some ZPM modules to super charge very large cloning fa****y, thats when things went pearshaped for the ancients. As for no interfearance after they ascended perhaps they just did not want to be like the ori or they had made to manay mistakes trying to shepard younger races before they ascended. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
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/me notices this thread is no longer about the new series :)
regardless... i only have one thing to say about SGU at the moment: one more miraculous escape out of nowhere and i'm going to stop bothering with it, close second - another ohnoes we have to get back in x time or we're going to be left behind.
Seriously, they started a potentially promising series beating dead horses... -----
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.10.31 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 31/10/2009 15:52:40
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 31/10/2009 06:19:39 Honestly, I think it just comes down to silly writers.
Agreed. In the first few seasons there were decidedly light hearted episodes (the one where theirs the body swapping [Anderson in a monotone voice like teal'c saying he must shave his head is priceless], the episode where they go back in time every 8 hours, etc). I think around the time the replicators were introduced is when things started to get gradually darker.
Daniel Jackson seems at many points like he was meant to be one of these characters and was more pushed in the other direct as the show went on.
I would agree if it werent for one incident that occured early in the first season. When teal'c revealed he had a family and the team went to retrieve them, they had a secondary mission to capture a ghoul'd larva for study. Jackson and Carter retrieved the larva, when their Jackson remarked "their rather defenseless like this...". Carter knew what he was thinking and said if they did that they would be no better then them. Jackson agreed but as they walked off he turned and shot the larva container full of holes, essentially killing about a dozen or so defenseless children out of rage because his wife was taken as a host.
If anything Jackson was more inquisitive and didnĘt view the galaxy in terms of good/evil like OĘNeill did which lead to them butting heads on various subjects but that hardly would make him a pacifist.
The Ancients were maybe meant to be pacifist because sci-fi writers (especially the extreme pacifists) tend to love the idea of advanced = pacifists.
I agree. The ancients had a federation vibe to them, IE prime directive that gave them moral superiority and crap like that.
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Hmmm ... could the ancients be a way of portraying the western industrialized world that allows the third world to roll along in misery, ruled by war lords and religious extremists because they think their sons are to good to go die in the dirt for a bunch of people who don't have lives as good as theirs?
Western world didnĘt leave weapons of mass destruction laying around and say tough luck when Somalia found a thermal nuclear missile (metaphoriclly speaking). Thats what always annoyed me about the ancients, they used their so called pacifist stance to avoid having to clean up their own messes and actually went out of their way to punish ancients that thought they should.
*shrug*
I am kind of curious as to how a bunch of space bugs that could fit in a milk can managed to consume 40,000 gallons of water ... or just what good two pallets of ice is going to do in replacing that ... Did I get that figure right? Was it 40,000 gallons? Or was it liters? Either way ... that's like a **** load of water.
There are plenty of examples in nature of animals that have to eat/drink their body weight in food each day to survive. Depending on how long the bugs were on the ship its possible they could have drank that much. In regards to the ice if I recall they even said that it was just a stop gap until hopefully destiny found a planet with liquid H2O. If they act on that in the show though is another matter.
On an unrelated note I do have to admit I like how they said they couldnt dial back to earth, Destiny simply being too old for its energy reserves to be able to be fully charged anymore.
In any case in regards to SGU checking Gateworld the titles for the episodes no longer hint at dealing with having the essentals to survive on a ship so hopefully we can see them moving forward. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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Caldari Wrong Indeed
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This show is really one big dead end already. I'm gonna start watching tampon ads in it's place...
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran /me notices this thread is no longer about the new series :)
regardless... i only have one thing to say about SGU at the moment: one more miraculous escape out of nowhere and i'm going to stop bothering with it, close second - another ohnoes we have to get back in x time or we're going to be left behind.
Seriously, they started a potentially promising series beating dead horses...
Miraculous escapes aren't really the problem for me per se. The way they are done is just plain boring. They killed the red shirt for no real reason. Let me fiah my gunz at the thing, that clearly isn't going to be stopped by a few bullets and wasn't even a threat to me . Meaning they couldn't write suspence/threat properly, so the red shirt was used in a desperate effort to create some sense of a threat.
The problem with the "suspence" danger is, that it happens to the guys who are likely never going to come to any serious harm in the series and this time they didn't even do anything. When the episode came near to the end, the writers just pulled a change to the situation out of their asses that solved their problem. Lazy writing or bad writing, but it isn't entertaining no matter what you call it.
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Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:59:00 -
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When they threw out the can of bees, how did they know they weren't going to fly straight back through the gate when Young and Scott dialed back? ____________________
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.01 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly When they threw out the can of bees, how did they know they weren't going to fly straight back through the gate when Young and Scott dialed back?
Just some thoughts:
1. They hoped that the atmosphere, which proved toxic to humans, would prove toxic to the insects as the atmosphere of the planet the insects were originally from could support human life as well.
2. They didnt think the insects could escape the container to begin with.
3. If they did escape they would be stupid enough to float infront of the forming wormhole which would obliterate them instantly.
4. Its another plothole that could have easyily been solved by them throwing the container into the forming wormhole and obliterating the insects in the process. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.11.02 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: ReaperOfSly When they threw out the can of bees, how did they know they weren't going to fly straight back through the gate when Young and Scott dialed back?
Just some thoughts:
1. They hoped that the atmosphere, which proved toxic to humans, would prove toxic to the insects as the atmosphere of the planet the insects were originally from could support human life as well.
2. They didnt think the insects could escape the container to begin with.
3. If they did escape they would be stupid enough to float infront of the forming wormhole which would obliterate them instantly.
4. Its another plothole that could have easyily been solved by them throwing the container into the forming wormhole and obliterating the insects in the process.
5. They figured the massive amount of ice on the planet would intrigue the aliens and they would fly off to investigate it, allowing Young and Scott enough time to get back without worry.
Not a good or bad episode, although I did like that the hot girl with the big rack found out about Scott and Chloe. Also, the Star Wars reference was great; it even made my mom laugh. Eli's sled was pretty cool, you've got to admit.
It had a good amount of character drama, though, just as the other episodes had, which is what sets it apart in the SG world. I think that'll be the main driving force behind it, obviously copying BSG, of course. But BSG worked for most of us.
I actually do like that it's a combination of Lost, BSG, and SG. The other SGs didn't have this level of character interaction; they were more happy, friendly fun, which was good for them, but doesn't always have to be the same. I still see much potential for the series, especially given the preview for the next episode, but also much potential for fail if the writers get lazy.
Also, yes, if they rely on the easy, last minute fix like the crevasse too much, it will get stale. At least have it involve someone we could believe may actually die, i.e. not a red shirt nor a main star.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.02 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
It had a good amount of character drama, though, just as the other episodes had, which is what sets it apart in the SG world. I think that'll be the main driving force behind it, obviously copying BSG, of course. But BSG worked for most of us.
I actually do like that it's a combination of Lost, BSG, and SG. The other SGs didn't have this level of character interaction; they were more happy, friendly fun, which was good for them, but doesn't always have to be the same. I still see much potential for the series, especially given the preview for the next episode, but also much potential for fail if the writers get lazy.
Also, yes, if they rely on the easy, last minute fix like the crevasse too much, it will get stale. At least have it involve someone we could believe may actually die, i.e. not a red shirt nor a main star.
SG1 did have a huge amount of humor and didn't feel the need to take itself too seriously. On the flip side it also had the good taste to approach their moral dilemmas, critical plot elements, etc with the appropriate level seriousness.
It had plenty of character drama/interaction (very much between Jack and Daniel). Their character depth was complex and often drove the stories alone, they just didn't feel the need to wear their entire emotional catalog on their sleeves 24/7. I agree in their later seasons they were a bit too fun and campy and the storyline also had issues causing the show to kinda fall apart.
As for bsg, it's sad SGU is considered the spawn of BSG (an insult to bsg really). In fact the only thing i think SGU has been able to properly steal from BSG has been a few camera techniques and the darker/harsher/rougher type setting.
BSG placed a huge focus on character drama, but it was driven BESIDE a great story. (The storyline wasn't just along for the ride.) Later in the series, the poorer episodes in most ppls opinions, overdone character drama and weak/rushed plot development was it's downside/black eye/whatever.
Both SG1 and BSG had a healthy balance between storyline and character drama and a good sense for story development (that's development, presenting the characters and storyline to the audience was a process). SGU just seems to throw it all out there at once and 'ok now lets see what happens to the characters'. It seems immature, elementary and just all around 'off' to me.
To use an analogy, it seems SGU wants to have the sex without the foreplay, and its those subtle details and a properly timed development that makes a show enjoyable.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:46:00 -
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Before this thread fades away I thought this would be interesting:
Source: Gateworld.net
2.1 average household rating 2.85 million total viewers (includes Live + 7 Days DVR) 1.5 million adults ages 18-49 1.7 million ages 25-54
over the last season of Atlantis: 59 % increase ages 18-34 41 % increase 18-49 33% increase 25-54 36% in total viewers
SyFy considers this their best October ever with: 2.1 avg Ghost hunters 1.7 avg Destination Truth 1.8 avg premiere of Sanctuary
Universe is currently considered the networks second highest rated show behind Ghost Hunters (about 3 million viewers before DVR).
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My personal opinion is that SGU isnt that good but it is holding some interest. Considering its currently occupying the number 2 slot for most watched show I would find it hard to believe if the show isnt renewed for another season. Hopefully, if they are done shooting for season 1 then season 2 we will see the needed character changes. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:17:00 -
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Thread probably won't die until the show takes a break, just like bsg and atlantis.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.03 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Before this thread fades away I thought this would be interesting:
Source: Gateworld.net
2.1 average household rating 2.85 million total viewers (includes Live + 7 Days DVR) 1.5 million adults ages 18-49 1.7 million ages 25-54
over the last season of Atlantis: 59 % increase ages 18-34 41 % increase 18-49 33% increase 25-54 36% in total viewers
SyFy considers this their best October ever with: 2.1 avg Ghost hunters 1.7 avg Destination Truth 1.8 avg premiere of Sanctuary
Universe is currently considered the networks second highest rated show behind Ghost Hunters (about 3 million viewers before DVR).
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My personal opinion is that SGU isnt that good but it is holding some interest. Considering its currently occupying the number 2 slot for most watched show I would find it hard to believe if the show isnt renewed for another season. Hopefully, if they are done shooting for season 1 then season 2 we will see the needed character changes.
Well, I work on a farm where we sell three types of manure. Surprisingly our horse manure is our best rated manure, then pig manure, then sheep.
But I just can't see why I'm not selling as much manure as the next farm over!? I know they got 20 types of manure and are producing high quality manure...
So anyway, Syfy (Don't know why, but the new branding reminds me of syphilis rather than science fiction!) don't have anything really good on and still SGU is only second. Is it too early to get in a 7of9 Jeri Ryan like character to put a bounce in the ratings. Got to compete with Ghost Hunters you know!
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.04 00:47:00 -
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Confirming that they should have just thrown it into the event horizon after the colonel came through.
i mean, seriously. Stuff only goes one way through wormholes, as we all know.. Sooo.. Why not? OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.04 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Jacob Mei Before this thread fades away I thought this would be interesting:
Source: Gateworld.net
2.1 average household rating 2.85 million total viewers (includes Live + 7 Days DVR) 1.5 million adults ages 18-49 1.7 million ages 25-54
over the last season of Atlantis: 59 % increase ages 18-34 41 % increase 18-49 33% increase 25-54 36% in total viewers
SyFy considers this their best October ever with: 2.1 avg Ghost hunters 1.7 avg Destination Truth 1.8 avg premiere of Sanctuary
Universe is currently considered the networks second highest rated show behind Ghost Hunters (about 3 million viewers before DVR). -------------------------------------------
My personal opinion is that SGU isnt that good but it is holding some interest. Considering its currently occupying the number 2 slot for most watched show I would find it hard to believe if the show isnt renewed for another season. Hopefully, if they are done shooting for season 1 then season 2 we will see the needed character changes.
Well, I work on a farm where we sell three types of manure.
Couldn't agree more.
Not sure what mentally absent people watch Ghosthunters, but the fact SGU is 2nd to it isn't exactly bragging rights.
Cute how they say this is SYFY's BEST OCTOBER EVER!!!! Remember the saying 'statistics can be made to say anything'? Remember, this is the first October under the brand Syfy
"Compared to the last season of Stargate Atlantis, SGU is up 59 percent among adults 18 to 34, 41 percent among adults 18 to 49, 33 percent among adults 25 54, and up 36 percent in total viewers, the network said."-gateworld
Let's bring these statistics to light eh?
SGA s01e01 ū Rating 3.2 SGA s01e02 ū Rating 3.2 SGA s01e03 ū Rating 2.5 SGA s01e04 ū Rating 2.5 SGU s01e01 ū Rating 1.7 SGU s01e02 ū Rating 1.7 SGU s01e03 ū Rating 1.8 SGU s01e04 ū Rating 1.6
So your comparing a premier which actually had RDA show up to the end of a worn out series (but initially very successful).
If you think SGU is somehow going to leap up to a 2.5 or higher in the near future (well pretty much ever in it's life), your probably kidding yourself. It's an interesting article, but once you overcome the obvious bias and numbers game, it doesn't really tell us anything impressive.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:57:00 -
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This series needs a good kick up the arse. The last episode with the crazy swarm that drinks all your waterz was pretty entertaining, but the rest have been complete boring drivel. I miss the humour and lulz from SG1.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.04 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco This series needs a good kick up the arse. The last episode with the crazy swarm that drinks all your waterz was pretty entertaining, but the rest have been complete boring drivel. I miss the humour and lulz from SG1.
Sci-Fi that takes it self too seriously is an automatic fail imo.
That's you, Mars Attacks might be more up your alley. I for one respect the work of people who doesn't just goof it out 'cause they cannot hack it delivering an interesting plot.
Just checked some old SG-1, why, when and again why did they do away with the freezing experienced by gate travelers?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Novantco This series needs a good kick up the arse. The last episode with the crazy swarm that drinks all your waterz was pretty entertaining, but the rest have been complete boring drivel. I miss the humour and lulz from SG1.
Sci-Fi that takes it self too seriously is an automatic fail imo.
That's you, Mars Attacks might be more up your alley. I for one respect the work of people who doesn't just goof it out 'cause they cannot hack it delivering an interesting plot.
Just checked some old SG-1, why, when and again why did they do away with the freezing experienced by gate travelers?
I don't mind serious sci-fi, it's just when it is unimaginative and badly written that, it becomes seriously stupid.
I think they said the freezing compression happened because the gate was unused and they had to tweak the Earth dialing computer.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.11.05 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 05/11/2009 06:20:56
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Novantco This series needs a good kick up the arse. The last episode with the crazy swarm that drinks all your waterz was pretty entertaining, but the rest have been complete boring drivel. I miss the humour and lulz from SG1.
Sci-Fi that takes it self too seriously is an automatic fail imo.
That's you, Mars Attacks might be more up your alley. I for one respect the work of people who doesn't just goof it out 'cause they cannot hack it delivering an interesting plot.
Just checked some old SG-1, why, when and again why did they do away with the freezing experienced by gate travelers?
I don't mind serious sci-fi, it's just when it is unimaginative and badly written that, it becomes seriously stupid.
I think they said the freezing compression happened because the gate was unused and they had to tweak the Earth dialing computer.
Sadly, I can answer this with surprising clarity. In the episode where the team made a wormhole through a star and nearly destroyed a planet of peaceful agriculturists, the team flew out of the wormhole violently, but less so than on SGU. Anyway, either Daniel or O'Neill asked why it had been so violent and Carter replied that since they had updated the gates with more accurate dialing info that took galactic drift and rotation into account, they had removed the freezing freezing effect since they could now make perfectly accurate holes between gates.
This is the memorable episode in which O'Neill addressed the Asgard high command, and asked if Thor was available since he was such a cool guy. Daniel briefed Hammond of Texas by saying, "It went downhill from there after Jack made a reference to Freyr's mother..."
Edit @ Alia
Yes, SG1 had a lot of character interaction, but it was a different kind than SGU's. You always, deep down, knew that barring alien mind control, O'Neill and Daniel always had each others' backs, no matter their differences or how bad the problem was.
With SGU you can't say the same thing. There are the BSG-inspired distrust and formation of separate power groups whose conflict will hopefully bring a lot of trouble and repercussions in future episodes and drive it on dramatically. And I mean serious ones, not just the, "We don't trust the military" kind that's happening now. More of Lost's fragmenting the groups completely.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:05:00 -
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I just wish they'd gone for more of an Oz approach than Lost.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 08/11/2009 18:10:27 Edited by: Jacob Mei on 08/11/2009 18:08:00 I did some checking on a thought that occurred to me today in regards to two possible ways they can get the crew back based on existing technology revealed in past shows. Warning, geek theory approaching!
1. Sending a ship: In SGA it was established that it would take the Daedalus 18 days to travel from Earth to Atlantis in the Pegasus Galaxy, roughly a 3.5 million LY trip. This is due to the use of a single ZPM at the ships disposal.
In the first episode of SGU, it is estimated by rush based on the visual log of Destiny's route that they are several billion light years from earth.
Because the ship displayed a visual representation of the route it took, including the course alterations (the little bit we see of the map shows that the route seemed to be arcing upwards, if you put the milky way at the bottom) this gives a general direction of where the Destiny is in relation to the milky way.
What this means, at least if I am interpreting it right is that Earth can send the Daedalus to the galaxy the Destiny is currently in within 200 days to a year. This is assuming that destiny is currently 5 billion light years from earth, give or take.
This theory of course does not take into account the time it would take to actually search a galaxy for the Destiny. However because Destiny's course can be influenced by search requests, ie the crew needs water, they tell the ship and the ship finds a planet with water, a system can be worked out. When the Destiny drops out of warp, the crew looks at where the stars are positioned in relation to themselves, takes the information from the database in regards to where they are and send it back to the pursuing ship (or have someone who is an expert in interpreting that data occupy a body of a crew member on the destiny) to determine destiny's position. Doing this several times would allow the pursuing ship to anticipate where the Destiny would exit FTL next and eventually meet up with the Destiny.
2. Send Atlantis: In the final episode, it is revealed Atlantis has a drive called wormhole drive (insert lame dues ex machina comment) which allowed it to instantly travel from the edge of the Pegasus galaxy to earth in a matter of moments. However it was said that this was very experimental and likely to fail with it at best failing to occur and at worst the city exploding. Because of this its unlikely Earth would risk losing the largest ancient vessel in the galaxy just to retrieve a few hundred people.
In any case, based on current technology revealed in the franchise, SGU could end at minimum within 2-3 seasons, ending with the crew returning safely back to Earth or atleast being resuced. Either that or I found a plot hole of epic proportions. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
1. Sending a ship: In SGA it was established that it would take the Daedalus 18 days to travel from Earth to Atlantis in the Pegasus Galaxy, roughly a 3.5 million LY trip. This is due to the use of a single ZPM at the ships disposal.
In the first episode of SGU, it is estimated by rush based on the visual log of Destiny's route that they are several billion light years from earth.
Assuming a) the Daedalus travels at 3.5m/18 ly/day, that number is 195,000 ly/day. (rounded) assuming b) several billion = 5 billion Assuming c) the Destiny was stopped 5 billion / 195,000 =~ 25,600 / 365 =70 years.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Changing bodies as the latest twist, some people recognizing the new mind despite old looks at the drop of the hat and some, as it should be not picking up on it.
This is turning into crap fast. Flashes back to regular life to get an insight in their civilian life before the ship and all that, very Lost and very not sci-fi.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.11 15:00:00 -
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What is up with this show? It's Lost already.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Captain Amarrica
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:04:00 -
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You can definitely tell they are going for the BSG feel with the camera angles/setup in SGU. Caprica however looks to be more promising at least to me.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:23:00 -
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It's like this ...
Crap is King. Always has been always will be.
Why?
Because - think about it - by definition, 50% of the human race is below average intelligence. They want shows that play entirely to their emotions - since they don't have much of an intellect.
Now - this doesn't mean they are bad people. Most of them have found a job they are competent at doing - but - they just aren't all that bright. Sadly, Sci Fi has always been dumbed down to try and get some of those dumb ****s to watch. There's often some real intellect involved in the basic plot of some of these things but the writers feel they have to throw in some kind of crap to appeal to the masses out there. After all - there are no people involved in the production of quality entertainment. They are all out to sell commercial air time. They aren't producing great art - they are making money.
If Lost led to BSG which led to SGU ... and they are making money off of it. That's all they give a damn about.
SG:SG1 was better because of the tightly knit crew - out there fighting an external enemy. But reality shows are more popular. Reality shows are based entirely on interpersonal conflict. They are soap operas with real people instead of characters - though - the truth is there is a lot of acting going on in these reality shows with specific people having been hired to play specific types of characters.
The very idea that a show as moronic as Ghost "Did you hear that?" Hunters has anything but abysmal ratings tells the story.
All in all ... we are lucky we get anything remotely resembling the tiniest of intellect in our programming.
So ... I'll pretty much take what I can get.
Even if you look at things that are supposed to be really high quality TV - like "I Claudius" - the author of the novel it was based on, Robert Graves, took much of what he included from Suetonius's The Twelve Caesar's - which includes vast amounts of complete fabrication. Suetonius's approach to "history" was to throw in everything he heard and let the reader sort it out. Given the fact that it was common place for any political figure to have their character under constant, unremitting assault - OF COURSE a lot of the stuff floating about was just made up by someone's political opponents.
If you look at the History Channel - you've got UFO Hunters and Monster Quest. At least they don't have wrestling ... I sure as hell would like to know what the frakk wrestling has to do with Sci Fi ...
One of the really odd things is that some of the best shows on the History Channel are the semi documentary reality shows like Ice Road Truckers. Here, they've simply taken real people, doing real jobs - that have some inherent amount of drama (which they do hype) built in.
So ... SG:U is crap. But it's what we've got ... so I'll keep watching ... unless something better is on another channel.
Today was Veteran's Day here in the USA so The History Channel had Battle 360 - USS Enterprise on. Those are some of the best shows on TV now. High Quality computer graphics to illustrate the action and interviews with the participants. They hype them, just like they hype everything else - but it's still the best stuff on TV.
Of course - one of the best shows ever is on CMT. Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders - Making the Team 4. Here, as with those History Channel shows about truckers and loggers - you have real drama about real people. The people are there - doing what they are doing whether the cameras are on or not. For any girl trying to make an NFL Cheerleading Squad - there's quite a challenge ahead of her. AND - THEY'RE FRAKKING CHEER LEADERS!!!!! What more could you want?
Documentary television masquerading as a reality show. Ha! Ha!
You see it isn't the interpersonal conflict that is so objectionable in BSG and SG:U - it is the fact that the nature and frequency of it is utterly - obviously - contrived.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 13:22:00 -
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actually liked the latest episode, was a nice take on things, soon as Chloe died I called the ending though, wondering if it carries on next episode, or they leave it as an assumed ending.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.14 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem actually liked the latest episode, was a nice take on things, soon as Chloe died I called the ending though, wondering if it carries on next episode, or they leave it as an assumed ending.
I think they left it as an assumed ending. But this was a much much better episode than any of the others combined. That glimmer of hope is still alive.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:27:00 -
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Chloe died. Twice. Excellent.
Unfortunately, it's a time travel episode so she'll probably get better. ____________________
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:34:00 -
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The only real downside here is that chloe will live.
Also I saw the preview of the next episode, looks like it will be once again rabble rabble drama.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 16/11/2009 15:24:39 Best episode so far yet they had to resort to time travel to pull it off, isn't that the last ditch effort? Ranked even lower than the 'Bobby is dead' dream?'
As for the creepy crawlers, same trap as in Pitch Black, what do they live on? Throwing an apex predator into the mix without an eco system makes for great action but only once I'd like to see someone having put some thought into it and give us a glimpse of these beasts without their current human diet.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 16/11/2009 15:24:39 Best episode so far yet they had to resort to time travel to pull it off, isn't that the last ditch effort? Ranked even lower than the 'Bobby is dead' dream?'
No.
Originally by: Danton Marcellus As for the creepy crawlers, same trap as in Pitch Black, what do they live on? Throwing an apex predator into the mix without an eco system makes for great action but only once I'd like to see someone having put some thought into it and give us a glimpse of these beasts without their current human diet.
Unlike Pitch Black, there was a jungle with plenty of flora and fauna running around. ____________________
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 16/11/2009 17:01:16
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Danton Marcellus As for the creepy crawlers, same trap as in Pitch Black, what do they live on? Throwing an apex predator into the mix without an eco system makes for great action but only once I'd like to see someone having put some thought into it and give us a glimpse of these beasts without their current human diet.
Unlike Pitch Black, there was a jungle with plenty of flora and fauna running around.
Which we didn't see, I think was his point.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.11.16 18:30:00 -
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It's a jungle, it's presumed to be there, otherwise the ecosystem wouldn't work. For a better explanation, consider that big animals like humans are very easy targets for these carnivores, and they've hunted everything bigger than a cat to extinction. The only animals left are too small to be noticed on camera, but still provide sufficient sustenance to support a population of wriggly carnivores. And it's a far more believable situation than the desert one in Pitch Black (which incidentally included a planet with parallel rings which isn't even physically possible). ____________________
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.16 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 16/11/2009 15:24:39 Best episode so far yet they had to resort to time travel to pull it off, isn't that the last ditch effort? Ranked even lower than the 'Bobby is dead' dream?'
This. Time travel is used when you want to do something actually worth watching, but lack the balls to make lasting changes. Still, it was the best episode so far and definitely was what the series needed at this point. I just hope we don't return to the normal drudgery and the series starts to pick a little pace after this.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.11.19 05:13:00 -
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I liked it. I was very sad when the Lt with the big boobs died, but thankfully Chloe died soon after, so I knew it wasn't permanent. I really liked how it ended with just the camera recording and no other action, though. It was a nice change from ST where they'd go through the whole thing again and avert disaster.
So one of the better episodes so far, especially since there wasn't any Rush drama with it.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.19 06:29:00 -
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Yeah. Best one yet. They can kill a bunch of characters several times every episode though.
For a bit there when they killed Lt. Big **** ... I didn't realize it was all a loop but yeah, once Chloe died - I saw what was gonna happen.
*shrug*
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.11.21 04:03:00 -
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Well this recent episode really points out how much of a **** rush really is.
Also like you guys didn't miss it, the drama llama is back!
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 13:04:00 -
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well it had to happen at some point, opening up the other ships rooms, i am guessing it will happen more often now to :D lol
Someone will sit in the chair, get the info needed, although it makes no sense to include the master codes for a ship that just requires any random person to sit in a chair to get them! bad security if you ask me?
Rush won't sit in it, who will?
also - Young really did beat the snot out of telford, im guessing that may cause a few issues!
overall not a great episode but it has opened up some not so bad topics that wont suck
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: CavoFury1 on 21/11/2009 21:26:49 Edited by: CavoFury1 on 21/11/2009 21:26:08 OK. I've watched every episode of SG:1, SG:A. From first episode to last episode this year(No job atm, so lots of free time).
I just watched episodes 1-9 of SG:U.
It's Lost, in space.
The story of each episode sucks. The whole "reality TV show/Lost" feel is turning my stomach.
Each story line is worse then the one before it.
This show was supposed to be "edgy". If "edgy" means that it's about a lot of people whining about thier lot in life, then it's "edgy". If I wanted to hear people whining about how pitiful their life is I'll go down to the unemployment office and talk to people there.
It's supposed to be more "adult". They mean it shows some VERY soft core ****. I don't know about you guys, but my wife and I don't spend 20 minutes lieing in bed with our cloths on. They hit the floor FAST. If they want to show soft core ****, at least loose the clothing and give us some REAL naked T&A.
They seem to have completely forgotten they're doing a Sci-Fi show, on the Sy Fy channel(or how ever the hell it's spelled). Wheres the SCIENCE?
I mean.. Come on.. The military folks sitting around sobbing to each other. Mental breakdowns?
The first season could take it's whole time just exploring the ship, the lives of the early Ancients, and getting the ship running/under control.
I'm just SO disolutioned about this show.
I was looking for an "adult Sci-Fi show" like it was touted to be. Not a show about adults whining and crying and boobing like babies. An adult Sci-Fi show to me means COMPLEXITY. Deep story lines, complex tech, multiple subplots. Not people crying about their lot in life.
You're on an Alien spaceship, flitting through the Universe. Suck it up, act like adults, and get on with the exploring.
Sigh.. I'll give it till the end of the first season. If they don't fix this crap(And IF it doesn't get cancelled) then I'll drop it.
As it is, the last few episodes I fast forwarded through them as they were SO painful to watch. The Jungle planet/time travel one was so basic of a plot I knew what was going to happen the moment they started killing off people.
time travel plots are either simple moronic throwaway episodes, or they are horribly complex plot lines that intertwine to the point your head hurts.
The Throw away ones are ones that don't affect the REAL story line. This one was one of them.
The REAL time travel ones affect the storyline drastically.
one is for amature writers, the other is for masters. They've just shown which kind of writers they have on the show. Though that was VERY evident from the previous episodes..
I'll give it till the end of the first season, then stop watching if they don't do some DRASTIC changes to the style. And from the nielson ratings, a LOT of people are already dropping it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 21/11/2009 23:01:37
Originally by: CavoFury1 Sad but honest truth.
True that. I want an actual space sci-fi show
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Normandy Xavier
B4D W0LF
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:21:00 -
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Meh, it's fine to watch with my girlfriend, but *I'm* waiting for Caprica.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.22 00:20:00 -
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i do agree its not true sci fi, my gf watches it with me, first one she has ever watched, and described it today as "good because its more drama" so yeah they need to come back on the whole sci fi, honking space guns and technobable, and I will presume when my gf does not like it, the rest of us will like it more :D
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.11.22 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Peryner on 22/11/2009 02:22:48 um.. wait, whats this.. kino thing?
those ****ers, apparently they explains parts of the show on a separate miniseries?
edit: found it
the ending of ep 8 is here http://stargate.mgm.com/view/character/171/index.html
kino 18?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.22 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Peryner Edited by: Peryner on 22/11/2009 02:22:48 um.. wait, whats this.. kino thing?
Uh, didnt they explain those in like the first episode?
Also, too much drama, not enough technobabble indeeed. I want to see giant space battles (which looks like wont last long, based on how long they sat firing off the guns in that one episode..)
or, maybe I should just go back to playing <insert space game here> OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.22 03:40:00 -
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Is it just me or was there no closure on the time travel dealio, did I blink and miss the obvious there?
The switching bodies is bull****, no way that would work without people becoming self-conscious about their spouses liking the other persons body more or people actually liking it better. You can go on all you want about how it's the personality but forgoing the physical attraction completely, therein lies the true science fiction of this series.
Babylon 5 Crusade was 10 times the show this is turning out to be and that was axed how soon? The only character I like is Rush.
SGU so far, Mammoth load of fertilizer.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.22 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Babylon 5 Crusade was 10 times the show this is turning out to be and that was axed how soon? The only character I like is Rush.
SGU so far, Mammoth load of fertilizer.
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.23 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Is it just me or was there no closure on the time travel dealio, did I blink and miss the obvious there?
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1838/index.html
O_o they could've atleast mentioned that these videos exist in the show somewhere (the credits, for instance?)
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.23 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem well it had to happen at some point, opening up the other ships rooms, i am guessing it will happen more often now to :D lol
What's perhaps more significant is that Rush was able to activate the subspace link to the ships ahead of Destiny that are seeding the stargates.
Do the seeding ships have gates?
Can they be dialed?
Since we know that 9 symbol addresses are specific gates, do we need 9 symbols to dial?
There are some interesting possibilities for future plot lines.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.23 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Xtreem well it had to happen at some point, opening up the other ships rooms, i am guessing it will happen more often now to :D lol
What's perhaps more significant is that Rush was able to activate the subspace link to the ships ahead of Destiny that are seeding the stargates.
Do the seeding ships have gates?
Can they be dialed?
Since we know that 9 symbol addresses are specific gates, do we need 9 symbols to dial?
There are some interesting possibilities for future plot lines.
Destiny isn't the seeding ship? Then what role does it fill?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.23 16:39:00 -
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The stone- out of body experience thing has outlived it stupidness already.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.23 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Destiny isn't the seeding ship? Then what role does it fill?
When Destiny drops out of FTL and they gate to a planet, how do you think the gates got there before Destiny? :)
They have already stated that there are several ships up ahead that are seeding galaxies with stargates, but it's not *quite* clear yet what role the Ancients had for Destiny as they ascended before they got round to gating out there.
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Posted - 2009.11.23 21:04:00 -
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Did anyone else notice that at the end of the playback of the keyno(sp?) they found they see rush lying on the ground. They only ever took one keyno through the gate, so it is effectively a clone of the one they bring through the second time. Therefore when they come through the second time (the real time lets say) and find the keyno there should be a second Rush? on the other hand, Rush did find some human remains but I can't remember which time that was.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.24 05:28:00 -
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I liked the episode on the jungle world! Episodes like that are bread and butter scifi, I wish someone at syfy could clue in on this and let their writers make some real good TV (they obviously have the ability)
I started watching the new one but kinda phased out and played PC instead, looks like we're back to crap.
Originally by: JeremyCricket Did anyone else notice that at the end of the playback of the keyno(sp?) they found they see rush lying on the ground. They only ever took one keyno through the gate, so it is effectively a clone of the one they bring through the second time. Therefore when they come through the second time (the real time lets say) and find the keyno there should be a second Rush? on the other hand, Rush did find some human remains but I can't remember which time that was.
It looks like your trying to figure out a time travel episode. Would you like some assistance?
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.11.25 09:48:00 -
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Decent, but not great episode. I liked the Rush parts, especially his attempt to give the crew hope. And how it backfired.
I may be in the minority, but I like the stones and their use in the show. It's not the ST, "Hey, it's me, I'm physically here," sort of thing. The characters have to deal with the fact that they aren't whom they appear to be. This was very well done in the latest episode when the Col. beat the hell out of his adversary, just because he could, and before that when Lou Diamond Phillips called the Pentagon and had the Col. disconnected from the stone. Nicely done in both instances.
I also liked how they delved into the psychological implications of being cut off from home. It's a good change from the other SGs where being in another star system or Galaxy was just par for the course. They're finally dealing with how being in an unknown environment would really affect someone. Also it's nice that RDA is in about every-other-episode; it's always great to see him.
Finally, I just love Mathboy's movie references to some of my favorite films. "Dogs and cats living together..." nice.
Maybe I'm weird, but I like how they're developing the characters first and eschewing the sci-fi part of it, mostly. I mean, what would be the fun if this rag-tag group of characters quickly took control of an Ancient ship with dog-knows what sort of power right away. The writers are doing a decent job of exploring who these people are instead of just having fire the laser beams at every opportunity.
I actually like the comparisons to Lost in that they're exploring and coming to understand their environment. Maybe the best part of the latest episode was that they're slowly exploring the ship. Who knows what they'll find, but as in any good video game (I'm looking at you HL) most of it will be mundane. But you never know when the mundane will become something different.
I don't know if it will last, but I like how everything has unfolded so far. Sure, more space battles would be nice, but it wouldn't really fit in. I think that SG has matured with SGU with its focus on the characters instead of exciting battles every episode. Hard moral choices are generally more interesting than gratuitous pew-pew for the sake of big explosions (something BSG nailed like nothing before it).
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:37:00 -
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Have they axed this allready or something? its not on Sky 1 tonight.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 01/12/2009 17:55:39 Mid season break.
Edit: whoo 10th page topper ____________________
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:00:00 -
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Flashforward aired in the UK and Aus before the US, but mid-season breaks are for chumps, bi-monthly breaks are for Fox.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.12.01 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin mid-season breaks are for chumps
Indeed they are. And they are incredibly irritating if your TV viewing is part of your weekly routine. ____________________
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.02 02:20:00 -
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one thing i have learned watching stargate, Earth ships post asgard exit are a cross between Caldari and Amarr. they use missiles, rails and powerful beam weapons and also have kickass shields. i guess the Daedalus Class has a bonus to beam weapons though cause those lasers kick ass.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.12.02 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker one thing i have learned watching stargate, Earth ships post asgard exit are a cross between Caldari and Amarr. they use missiles, rails and powerful beam weapons and also have kickass shields. i guess the Daedalus Class has a bonus to beam weapons though cause those lasers kick ass.
Stupid humans haven't learned that split weapon systems suck.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.02 04:03:00 -
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course my Drake in EVE would sure love to have ZPMx3, the shield generator from Atlantis and an Asgard hyberdrive.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.02 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker one thing i have learned watching stargate, Earth ships post asgard exit are a cross between Caldari and Amarr. they use missiles, rails and powerful beam weapons and also have kickass shields. i guess the Daedalus Class has a bonus to beam weapons though cause those lasers kick ass.
Stupid humans haven't learned that split weapon systems suck.
Yeah, what idiots for having backup weapons and such!
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 16:41:00 -
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ok so comments on the latest episode?!
Rush stranded? deleted footage.. hmm
well 1st rush will fix the ship and catch up or something?! that's my call.
Also we still have the doctor who we don't know if recovered with the needed knowledge?
Not the worst epidose. Not the best
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:03:00 -
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Yeah I'm wondering how Rush is going to get back now. They can't just get rid of the only decent character in the show, right?
My guess is he'll use the stargate to get ahead of the ship, wait for them to come through, then go back with them. ____________________
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly Yeah I'm wondering how Rush is going to get back now. They can't just get rid of the only decent character in the show, right?
My guess is he'll use the stargate to get ahead of the ship, wait for them to come through, then go back with them.
I wonder how that would work exactly. Hi, thanks for leaving me to die alone there gaiz, because that is what planting evidence in an obvious way totally called for. It's not like you could have just punched me a few times, made it all public and reduce my influence and credibility among the crew to near zero.
I just hope he doesn't become some kind of regular villain, that plagues the crew with his mad quest for vengeance. Propably Rush just returns with the help of his convenient fully intact alien spaceship and they both blackmail each other to stay quiet about what really happened. Why else keep the real facts a secret from most of the crew? I'm expecting some pretty awkward moments at the dinner table, if that actually happens.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:22:00 -
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Most interesting episode so far. I must say that they are improving... -----
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Antaeus Combine
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: ReaperOfSly Yeah I'm wondering how Rush is going to get back now. They can't just get rid of the only decent character in the show, right?
My guess is he'll use the stargate to get ahead of the ship, wait for them to come through, then go back with them.
I wonder how that would work exactly. Hi, thanks for leaving me to die alone there gaiz, because that is what planting evidence in an obvious way totally called for. It's not like you could have just punched me a few times, made it all public and reduce my influence and credibility among the crew to near zero.
I just hope he doesn't become some kind of regular villain, that plagues the crew with his mad quest for vengeance. Propably Rush just returns with the help of his convenient fully intact alien spaceship and they both blackmail each other to stay quiet about what really happened. Why else keep the real facts a secret from most of the crew? I'm expecting some pretty awkward moments at the dinner table, if that actually happens.
I think it would have ended if Rush had not have stright out told him "this will never be over".
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.12.05 19:47:00 -
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The spaceship won't fly, it had holes in it. The best he can hope for is to salvage a gate-dialling device from it. ____________________
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2009.12.05 21:43:00 -
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I hope Rush gets that ship running and owns that mofo for leaving him there.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.12.05 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 05/12/2009 22:13:21
Originally by: ReaperOfSly The spaceship won't fly, it had holes in it. The best he can hope for is to salvage a gate-dialling device from it.
Yeah, I think that's the most likely. But don't forget Eli and Young still have the video of Rush taking the gun, so Young will still have some leverage when Rush shows back up.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.06 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 05/12/2009 22:13:21
Originally by: ReaperOfSly The spaceship won't fly, it had holes in it. The best he can hope for is to salvage a gate-dialling device from it.
Yeah, I think that's the most likely. But don't forget Eli and Young still have the video of Rush taking the gun, so Young will still have some leverage when Rush shows back up.
yeah but he lied about rush being stranded, they they may agree to stick to each others stories, and not out each other.
Although, I really wish they would drop some of all this back stabbing drama, and go with, well more actual sci fi this episode you could replace crashed ship with car, replace destiny for long haul cruise liner and it could be any normal soap!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.12.06 03:51:00 -
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He'll not fix the ship, he'll active its distress beacon and there will be aliens.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus He'll not fix the ship, he'll active its distress beacon and there will be aliens.
Either that or as someone said, he will rig up some way of dialing the gate.
The thing is, it's not very clear what the glyph system is for the galaxy they are in.
Is there a way for him to work out the address for the next planet that Destiny will visit or can he dial the ship directly?
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Hickock
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 22:23:00 -
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