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Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1993	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:04:00 - [1] - Quote Destruction Testing the New Wardec System (Ganks Included) Okay hereGÇÖs what I understand of the way wardecs work now with inferno. Entity X pays a fee to declare war against entity Y. This becomes a formal war. Entity Y has a couple of options at this point. It can: a) Fight the war alone b) Call for allies to fight the war c) Offer a surrender to the aggressor and d) Double-down by declaring the war mutual. Ways of finishing a war (again to my understanding) 1) Beat up the aggressor so they stop paying the war and the war ends (all allies go home) 2) Get beaten up by the aggressor, offer a surrender that the aggressor accepts (all allies go home) 3) Run away and hide so the aggressor gets bored and stops paying for the war anyway 4)Disband alliance / corp etc and skulk off like a yellow dog Now these all really give the aggressor a bit too much power to either pay or stop paying and thus control their own involvement in the war. The aggressor could even run away and keep paying just to save face before claiming an accidental GÇ£oops we forgot to pay concord this week :shrug:GÇ¥ style excuse So to the more interesting option in the new system making a war mutual. By the text of the Inferno war blog it seems that if the war fee is zero (as it will be in mutual war) then the aggressor can no longer just :shrug: and forget to pay the bill they are stuck in the war as long as the defender wants them to be. This means the aggressor would have to propose a surrender contract that is accepted by the defending entity (and would presumably have to be worth quite a bit!) Now originally in the Inferno war blog they said they didnGÇÖt know what to do about allies in a mutual war and discussed having the allies drop and barred from joining if the war is made mutual GÇô but it seems CCP thought the better of that option (which is good because otherwise there is a huge advantage for a large power deccing a smaller one). IGÇÖve tested making a war mutual, and adding allies to the war on top and the functionality works. So to the destruction test of the new wardec system. My alliance GÇ£The Star FractionGÇ¥ has been wardecced by Goonswarm Federation. Presumably as part of MittaniGÇÖs GÇ£ministry of love/deathsquadGÇ¥ kneejerk against forum foes GÇô but really the details donGÇÖt matter. Currently The Star Fraction is about 9000 members smaller than Goonswarm. The Goons have enough isk to maintain such a wardec for about ten million years so from their perspective would be eternal as long as they want it. This didnGÇÖt sit well to my taste so I decided to make it mutual. This means the war is eternal unless they surrender to The Star Fraction. A surrender contract you can be assured will be widely publicised and circulated. The minimum sum we're likely to accept from Mittani for a surrender will be 5 billion isk per active ally we have at the time of the surrender but we promise to invite the heads of all allied corporations into a channel to discuss and vote on such terms before they can be agreed. We do however have a bit of a problem. WeGÇÖre currently allied to the republic militias fighting against the Amarrian 24th Crusade and formally wardecced against both the Amarrian Imperium and the Caldari State GÇô which rules our ships out of sensible combat options across the majority of hisec where the goons like the travel. So we need more allies! Our allies will get for the grand cost of GÇ£well nothing reallyGÇ¥ an enduring wardec with the largest alliance in Eve Online which will last as long as it takes for Mittani to offer a formal and expensive surrender to the Star Fraction. I will accept all allied assistance offers as long as the contract is offered for free. My ambition is to see hisec New Eden turned into an Inferno-scale grand war of Goonswarm Federation (9000 members) against 9000 heroic rag tag mercs, independents, vengeance-seeking ex victims, rival warlords, in fact anyone who wants to shoot Goons in high security space anywhere in new eden. If this can be done it would mean more people would be on the books on the Goonswarm Federation vs New Eden (hosted by the Star Fraction) wardec than in Gallente vs Caldari faction war, and you have to admit that would be rather grand. IGÇÖd like to test the system to this extent. IGÇÖd like to see if CCP planned for this kind of huge mutual all-encompassing wardec IGÇÖd like to see if itGÇÖs possible for an outfit that is initially 9100 v 100 outgunned can use the ally system to significantly even the odds. And I'd like to see if Eve's biggest organization can be hoisted on their own petard and humiliated by the wardec system. So if you are interested in adding 9100 FREE wartargets to your hisec activities whatever they are then open the Wars dialogue in your corp management screen and search for GÇ£the star fractionGÇ¥ select the GÇ£Goonswarm Federation vs The Star FractionGÇ¥ (mutual war) option only and offer assistance. If you make the offer zero isk IGÇÖll accept it and welcome to the free war against the fattest target list in New Eden. (Be aware, if your organization is ALREADY in a war or allied to a war against Goonswarm Federation I will not be able to accept your offer of assistance at this time.) I'll keep the thread updated as heroic new allies join the struggle and bright acts of revolutionary violence are done against the regressive hulls of Goonswarm vessels. TLDR. If you want to kill Goons click corp/wars search "the star fraction" find "goonswarm federation vs the star fraction" click the the plus sword icon and send an offer for zero isk. Profit. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1993	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:05:00 - [2] - Quote Current Status of the War: 8th June 2012 Allies enlisted: Next Era Dawn The Blacklist LTd. Spontaneous Castigation Pandora Cartel Kurst Security Envy. P I R A T We Help Noobs Ex Obscuritas Nocturnal Twins New Eden Lotto Unicorn Zero Kamikaze Tactics Pods Must Cry Iron Oxide. Kicking Smurfs I AM UGLY AND THIS MAKES ME ANGRY ALSO JUMP Freight Club Tactical Nightmare PAX Interstellar Mercenary People Destruction Overload Moar Tears Hikage Corporation Corsairs. Results: Revolutionary Guns 652m isk and 32 ships killed. Statist Lickspittals581m isk and 10 ships killed. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Lock out Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 215	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:46:00 - [3] - Quote Where do I click if I want to assist goons ?
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1994	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote Lock out wrote: Where do I click if I want to assist goons ? You'd need to find a war where somebody has wardecced them and they asked for assistence. good luck with that though, its a bit expensive for the person deccing now. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Sign up and test the Inferno Wardecs for Free!
Jones Bones Imperial Outlaws 81	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:51:00 - [5] - Quote LOL you think Goon leadership cares about their membership in high sec. Oh, wow...
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1994	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:53:00 - [6] - Quote Jones Bones wrote: LOL you think Goon leadership cares about their membership in high sec. Oh, wow... I'm not sure where you inferred that perception from lol ... The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Sign up and test the Inferno Wardecs for Free!
L0rdF1end Air Cascade Imminent 44	Posted - 2012.06.08 16:49:00 - [7] - Quote lol, amusing, sounds fun. Keep us posted on the War front. Goons are clearly bored again.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1713	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:39:00 - [8] - Quote Just remember that allies in a war are permanently the war. They will be completely unable to withdraw, and a mutual war will end only when both parties agree to it. The conspiracy theorist in my head is screaming "it's a Goon plot to trap people in a war!" It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1996	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:03:00 - [9] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Just remember that allies in a war are permanently the war. They will be completely unable to withdraw, and a mutual war will end only when both parties agree to it. The conspiracy theorist in my head is screaming "it's a Goon plot to trap people in a war!" Well the way I see it - its more a case of they are trapped in here with us. Consider for example "burn jita 2" (or burn rens or amarr or wherever) the ordinary practise from goons on the run up would be to forget to pay all their war bills so they are free to run gank groups against freighters with no interference. This way with the eternal war option they cannot divest themselves of the wardec and will have to put up with heroic guerilla actions blowing up their ships and forcing pvp rather than pure ganking. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Sign up and test the Inferno Wardecs for Free!
Jones Bones Imperial Outlaws 81	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:17:00 - [10] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: This way with the eternal war option they cannot divest themselves of the wardec and will have to put up with heroic guerilla actions blowing up their ships and forcing pvp rather than pure ganking. Ask the random high sec war deccers how that worked out for them in Jita.
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. 32	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:19:00 - [11] - Quote Really what I've been thinking is it makes more sense to make the war mutual, leave the corp/alliance, and then force the aggressor to carry another war. I haven't run the numbers but it looks cheaper to keep a corp going than the additional cost another war adds to new war decs....
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1996	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:28:00 - [12] - Quote Marsan wrote: Really what I've been thinking is it makes more sense to make the war mutual, leave the corp/alliance, and then force the aggressor to carry another war. I haven't run the numbers but it looks cheaper to keep a corp going than the additional cost another war adds to new war decs.... This isn't about defender wardec evasion Marsan and the cost of the wardec to an organization like Goonswarm is utterly irrelevant. (they could pay 100x the amount they are currently paying to dec us until the servers were turned off). This test is about binding them to a war that they cannot themselves get out of without surrendering formally or skipping out of their own identity in what would become the most notorious case of alliance level wardec evasion in the history of eve online. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
Powers Sa GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 192	Posted - 2012.06.09 07:59:00 - [13] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: IGÇÖd like to see an outfit that is initially 9100 v 100 outgunned use the ally system to significantly even the odds. And I'd like to see if Eve's biggest organization can be hoisted on their own petard and humiliated by the wardec system. There is absolutely no way you could demoralize us. Take this kill for example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13610769 hahahaha this owns. The only people we enjoy making fun of more than you, is other goons. Ladies and gentleman: You wanted it, you got it, the very first free forever-war.
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 183	Posted - 2012.06.09 10:19:00 - [14] - Quote That's allot of words for: My mouth/ego wrote a check my pvp cannot cash. Please HALP me by distracting the goons away from me.
Reppyk The Black Shell 136	Posted - 2012.06.09 11:13:00 - [15] - Quote Powers Sa wrote: hahahaha this owns. The only people we enjoy making fun of more than you, is other goons. I got another funny one for you : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13444805
Ex0101 Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2012.06.09 11:58:00 - [16] - Quote Good move Jade, love it! Good luck to all that get involved :)
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2000	Posted - 2012.06.09 12:20:00 - [17] - Quote Powers Sa wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: IGÇÖd like to see an outfit that is initially 9100 v 100 outgunned use the ally system to significantly even the odds. And I'd like to see if Eve's biggest organization can be hoisted on their own petard and humiliated by the wardec system. There is absolutely no way you could demoralize us. Take this kill for example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13610769 hahahaha this owns. The only people we enjoy making fun of more than you, is other goons. Ladies and gentleman: You wanted it, you got it, the very first free forever-war. Well its a funny thing really. Inferno gave us all what we want! The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2000	Posted - 2012.06.09 12:21:00 - [18] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: That's allot of words for: My mouth/ego wrote a check my pvp cannot cash. Please HALP me by distracting the goons away from me. Haha Stalking thats funny. You hoping these guys will join the amarr and boost your fleets? The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
Powers Sa GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 192	Posted - 2012.06.09 12:26:00 - [19] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: That's allot of words for: My mouth/ego wrote a check my pvp cannot cash. Please HALP me by distracting the goons away from me. Jade is literally giving us what we want. I'll direct quote from goon jabber: "so wait, jade is helping our wardec everyone thing? Good job you failed miserable tranny. A noob lost a jf that owns OWNS. That guy is ********. Boredom is definitely more harmful to our morale than welps or stupid jump freighter losses or camping. I'm so happy jade has decided to mutual us and is letting anyone join free." By giving us more targets and people to make fun of, you are giving us more things that we enjoy. When your brags and boasts yield no results, what then? You'll still be stuck in a forever war that you cannot escape without shuttering the doors of your lovely little empire. You are trapping moronic pubbies who know nothing about wardec mechanics, just because you want to attempt to do something that you think will harm us. You will get bored with this long before we can. Hope that helps.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2000	Posted - 2012.06.09 12:37:00 - [20] - Quote Powers Sa wrote: You will get bored with this long before we can. Hope that helps. Jericho Fraction has been at war pretty much consistently since they turned on the servers. We don't really do anything in hisec except hunt our enemies. For the longest time its been a dream of ours to have a free wardec against a huge imperialist bulk alliance so commerce-raiding amusement can happen without fiscal restraint at the pay in. Truly this Inferno wardec structure seems to have given us both what we want and as long as you guys take pleasure from mocking your own membership for losses then I imagine you'll enjoy this too. As stated in the op - the long term intention is to see if we can encourage 9000 pilots worth of allies to join a free wardec against the goons - its an absolutely monumental undertaking and if we ever come close it'll be one of the most historic achievements in the game so far for everyone concerned. Now personally, I think Mittani will start bleating and threadnaughting ccp for a change to the mechanic long before that happens - but hey, lets look on the bright side and hope he sucks it up instead The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
Captain Kanki ReSpawners 2	Posted - 2012.06.09 12:40:00 - [21] - Quote Goon propaganda best propaganda!
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2012.06.09 14:00:00 - [22] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Just remember that allies in a war are permanently the war. They will be completely unable to withdraw, and a mutual war will end only when both parties agree to it. The conspiracy theorist in my head is screaming "it's a Goon plot to trap people in a war!" Someone gets it, give this man a beer.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2000	Posted - 2012.06.09 15:44:00 - [23] - Quote La Nariz wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Just remember that allies in a war are permanently the war. They will be completely unable to withdraw, and a mutual war will end only when both parties agree to it. The conspiracy theorist in my head is screaming "it's a Goon plot to trap people in a war!" Someone gets it, give this man a beer. Really anybody that has a problem with being in a free "forever war" against the biggest alliance in Eve Online doesn't deserve to call themselves a hisec pvper. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
Fuujin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 123	Posted - 2012.06.09 17:35:00 - [24] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Jericho Fraction has been at war pretty much consistently since they turned on the servers. We don't really do anything in hisec except hunt our enemies. For the longest time its been a dream of ours to have a free wardec against a huge imperialist bulk alliance so commerce-raiding amusement can happen without fiscal restraint at the pay in. Or, "we can't hack it in 0.0 where you don't have to bother paying off concord, so we claimed fiscal restraint as a fig leaf for not doing long wars before." I'll give you a hint Jade: we're not in the space you claim to avoid, yet we've never seen your happy group of brave pvpers. Wonder why that is... To everyone else: We welcome more targets! Clearing and owning the undocks at every market hub gets old; please get your ****** merc corps locked into foreverwar they can never leave with GSF today!
Kyle Myr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 254	Posted - 2012.06.09 17:58:00 - [25] - Quote I just want to point out that there are more people defending The Honda Accord than your alliance.
Captain Kanki ReSpawners 2	Posted - 2012.06.09 19:13:00 - [26] - Quote Kyle Myr wrote: I just want to point out that there are more people defending The Honda Accord than your alliance. Accord is good car
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2012.06.09 21:15:00 - [27] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: La Nariz wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Just remember that allies in a war are permanently the war. They will be completely unable to withdraw, and a mutual war will end only when both parties agree to it. The conspiracy theorist in my head is screaming "it's a Goon plot to trap people in a war!" Someone gets it, give this man a beer. Really anybody that has a problem with being in a free "forever war" against the biggest alliance in Eve Online doesn't deserve to call themselves a hisec pvper. Ahahhahahahahhahha hisec pvper.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2002	Posted - 2012.06.09 23:35:00 - [28] - Quote Fuujin wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: Jericho Fraction has been at war pretty much consistently since they turned on the servers. We don't really do anything in hisec except hunt our enemies. For the longest time its been a dream of ours to have a free wardec against a huge imperialist bulk alliance so commerce-raiding amusement can happen without fiscal restraint at the pay in. Or, Or nothing you silly goose. We're not here to play foolish misquoting games. This thread and the op post is what it is. If you are cool with the concept come and fight. If not by all means continue to ineffectually bleat. Amusement will be had either way! The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!
loldadaf Rotineque SkyNet Experiments 2	Posted - 2012.06.09 23:43:00 - [29] - Quote goons are afraid now if any goon loses a ship in highsec to you guys I bet the goons will laugh and troll that guy for a while
Elecktra Blue Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2012.06.10 06:54:00 - [30] - Quote Did you really just say "hi sec pvpers" ? Yes station games take skill...Please continue to get give us more targets. All you are doing is keeping us from being bored.

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