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![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2009
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:24:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Fuujin wrote:Not my problem. I was just proffering the arguments offered in the initial wardec reactions thread.
The fact that you're trying so hard to spin this as a GSF inspired change is endlessly amusing; please continue! Well, these changes are massively to your benefit (to the benefit of those of you who are yellow dog wardec evading cowards I should say). How exactly are we wardec evading, when we are the ones who declared war?
Well on Inferno 1.1 our 33 allies will suddenly cost more ISK than exists in the Eve universe per 2 week cycle. These changes will free you of 33 wardecs pretty much instantly.
+ it will no longer be possible to tie you into a war via mutualling it (while having any allies at all).
Its a triumph of Nerfing the Wardec system to allow you guys to evade responsibility and consequence for your dec.
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![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2009
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:27:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:our wardec ain't never gonna drop jade, even when you give up and offer surrender terms
Of course not, now its impossible to match your numbers via the ally system you will never have any reason to surrender. And since the mutual dec possibility has also been nerfed there is no consequence to declaring wars - you know you *could* leave any time you wanted.
You are pretty much making my argument for me.
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![Weaselior Weaselior](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126017177/portrait?size=64)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3283
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:33:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:our wardec ain't never gonna drop jade, even when you give up and offer surrender terms Of course not, now its impossible to match your numbers via the ally system you will never have any reason to surrender. And since the mutual dec possibility has also been nerfed there is no consequence to declaring wars - you know you *could* leave any time you wanted. You are pretty much making my argument for me. jade you seem to have this odd belief that we disapproved of you giving us so many extra people to shoot |
![Weaselior Weaselior](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126017177/portrait?size=64)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3283
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:33:00 -
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but you know when i find an exploit and post it all over eve-o i tend to expect it to get fixed rather than thinking it's a conspiracy when it does |
![La Nariz La Nariz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91593454/portrait?size=64)
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:34:00 -
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We enjoy being space garbagemen and taking out all the human garbage EVE has in it. |
![Vimsy Vortis Vimsy Vortis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/610653931/portrait?size=64)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
645
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:41:00 -
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If you think that it was Goons who were doing the whining about the fact you could bring in an infinite number of allies into a war for free then you're pretty stupid and haven't been paying attention to the commentary on the new wardec system at all. Although GSF and TEST did manage to do a very good job of demonstrating how utterly absurd it is. Particularly TEST and with their war against BEEP which now stands at 5 ships killed for 386 million isk vs 521 lost for 13.4 billion isk.
TEST are just comically bad imitators. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2009
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:our wardec ain't never gonna drop jade, even when you give up and offer surrender terms Of course not, now its impossible to match your numbers via the ally system you will never have any reason to surrender. And since the mutual dec possibility has also been nerfed there is no consequence to declaring wars - you know you *could* leave any time you wanted. You are pretty much making my argument for me. jade you seem to have this odd belief that we disapproved of you giving us so many extra people to shoot
I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you.
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![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2009
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:42:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you think that it was Goons who were doing the whining about the fact you could bring in an infinite number of allies into a war for free then you're pretty stupid and haven't been paying attention to the commentary on the new wardec system at all. Although GSF and TEST did manage to do a very good job of demonstrating how utterly absurd it is. Particularly TEST and with their war against BEEP which now stands at 5 ships killed for 386 million isk vs 521 lost for 13.4 billion isk.
TEST are just comically bad imitators.
Is there really a difference between Goons and Test? Afraid I don't really spend that much time looking into strange internet cults :)
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![Weaselior Weaselior](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126017177/portrait?size=64)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:43:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
that was a good one i'm glad even enemies like us can toss jokes around |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2010
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha that was a good one i'm glad even enemies like us can toss jokes around
Well the real joke is that Inferno Wardecs are about to become Damp Squib wardecs and its back to nobody cares about them whatsoever. Good game CCP.
(lucky we have FW which rocks!)
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![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha that was a good one i'm glad even enemies like us can toss jokes around Well the real joke is that Inferno Wardecs are about to become Damp Squib wardecs and its back to nobody cares about them whatsoever. Good game CCP. (lucky we have FW which rocks!)
Can you whine any more?
Serious question. |
![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:20:00 -
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And now I'm expecting a snarky response with the words "serious question" at the end because Jade is the king of Forum PVP and ~knows that would show me what for~ |
![Krios Ahzek Krios Ahzek](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91231883/portrait?size=64)
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
891
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:our wardec ain't never gonna drop jade, even when you give up and offer surrender terms Of course not, now its impossible to match your numbers via the ally system you will never have any reason to surrender. And since the mutual dec possibility has also been nerfed there is no consequence to declaring wars - you know you *could* leave any time you wanted. You are pretty much making my argument for me. jade you seem to have this odd belief that we disapproved of you giving us so many extra people to shoot I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you.
Hurt us how? At any given second, wardecs or not, there is nothing that stops your 40 allies from barging down to Deklein and taking all of our technetium, reducing our current financial strategy to ashes. This is also the only thing that could hurt us. Killing three highsec ships paid for by personal ISK literally cannot hurt GSF as an entity.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2010
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:32:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:our wardec ain't never gonna drop jade, even when you give up and offer surrender terms Of course not, now its impossible to match your numbers via the ally system you will never have any reason to surrender. And since the mutual dec possibility has also been nerfed there is no consequence to declaring wars - you know you *could* leave any time you wanted. You are pretty much making my argument for me. jade you seem to have this odd belief that we disapproved of you giving us so many extra people to shoot I think you disapproved of the possibility that the wardec might actually have hurt you. Hurt us how? At any given second, wardecs or not, there is nothing that stops your 40 allies from barging down to Deklein and taking all of our technetium, reducing our current financial strategy to ashes. This is also the only thing that could hurt us. Killing three highsec ships paid for by personal ISK literally cannot hurt GSF as an entity.
hmmm how about blowing up your jump-freighters full of moon minerals :)
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![Kyle Myr Kyle Myr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90613965/portrait?size=64)
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
hmmm how about blowing up your jump-freighters full of moon minerals :)
If you think we use in-alliance JFs you're dumber than I thought. |
![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:55:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: hmmm how about blowing up your jump-freighters full of moon minerals :)
As a GSOL ~sub director~ I can tell you that we don't use in-corp freighters to move moon goo. Why would you ever think that we would do that? |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2011
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: hmmm how about blowing up your jump-freighters full of moon minerals :)
As a GSOL ~sub director~ I can tell you that we don't use in-corp freighters to move moon goo. Why would you ever think that we would do that?
Well, if your logistics techniques are as capable as your forum posting then it was a fair assumption they'd be pretty terrible.
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![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Haquer wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: hmmm how about blowing up your jump-freighters full of moon minerals :)
As a GSOL ~sub director~ I can tell you that we don't use in-corp freighters to move moon goo. Why would you ever think that we would do that? Well, if your logistics techniques are as capable as your forum posting then it was a fair assumption they'd be pretty terrible.
Sick posting burn. If only I didn't hear those daily from people that are actually funny. |
![Haquer Haquer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/828649208/portrait?size=64)
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:18:00 -
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"I just lost an argument due to ignorance... BETTER INSULT HIS POSTING" |
![Doctor Benway Kado Doctor Benway Kado](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91379346/portrait?size=64)
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:41:00 -
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Wait, I'm confused. So mutual wars can't have allies,I get that. But couldn't you just keep this a defensive war, bring in allies for us to kill, and rest easy in the knowledge that we're never letting that war expire (unless the Mittani steals the alliance wallet)?
I really want more war targets :/ |
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![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:46:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Wait, I'm confused. So mutual wars can't have allies,I get that. But couldn't you just keep this a defensive war, bring in allies for us to kill, and rest easy in the knowledge that we're never letting that war expire (unless the Mittani steals the alliance wallet)?
I really want more war targets :/
the patch notes say that each defensive ally will now incur a charge to concord that will increase exponentially on the total number of allies.
We don't have numbers yet but lets assume the cheapest will be 1m isk. If the cost increase goes something like:
1,2,4,8,16,32 etc ... by the time we reach our current number of allies it'll cost more isk than exists in Eve online each 2 week period to maintain our current roster against you.
You might well have wanted more targets Benway Kado, I was happy to accomodate you, but your alliance leadership thought otherwise and has been on a whine-line-crisis phone to the CSM.
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![Doctor Benway Kado Doctor Benway Kado](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91379346/portrait?size=64)
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:49:00 -
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Man, we are the worst puppet masters ever. Even our devs don't do what we want. |
![Kyle Myr Kyle Myr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90613965/portrait?size=64)
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:01:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Wait, I'm confused. So mutual wars can't have allies,I get that. But couldn't you just keep this a defensive war, bring in allies for us to kill, and rest easy in the knowledge that we're never letting that war expire (unless the Mittani steals the alliance wallet)?
I really want more war targets :/ the patch notes say that each defensive ally will now incur a charge to concord that will increase exponentially on the total number of allies. We don't have numbers yet but lets assume the cheapest will be 1m isk. If the cost increase goes something like: 1,2,4,8,16,32 etc ... by the time we reach our current number of allies it'll cost more isk than exists in Eve online each 2 week period to maintain our current roster against you. You might well have wanted more targets Benway Kado, I was happy to accomodate you, but your alliance leadership thought otherwise and has been on a whine-line-crisis phone to the CSM.
Your paranoid conspiracies are hilarious.
You still haven't commented on Issler having more allies than you. Both of you mostly have people that would wardec us anyway to catch people dumb enough to have GSF characters in market hubs (there are plenty of these, it's funny to us too).
If people want to fight us, they always could come to Pure Blind, Venal, Fade, Cloud Ring, Deklein, Branch, Tenal, or Fountain. All this changes is our likelihood of having our current 70 wardecs in empire, which currently makes empire some bizarro version of NPC 0.0 with decent markets and enforced NRDS. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:06:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Wait, I'm confused. So mutual wars can't have allies,I get that. But couldn't you just keep this a defensive war, bring in allies for us to kill, and rest easy in the knowledge that we're never letting that war expire (unless the Mittani steals the alliance wallet)?
I really want more war targets :/ the patch notes say that each defensive ally will now incur a charge to concord that will increase exponentially on the total number of allies. We don't have numbers yet but lets assume the cheapest will be 1m isk. If the cost increase goes something like: 1,2,4,8,16,32 etc ... by the time we reach our current number of allies it'll cost more isk than exists in Eve online each 2 week period to maintain our current roster against you. You might well have wanted more targets Benway Kado, I was happy to accomodate you, but your alliance leadership thought otherwise and has been on a whine-line-crisis phone to the CSM. Your paranoid conspiracies are hilarious. You still haven't commented on Issler having more allies than you. Both of you mostly have people that would wardec us anyway to catch people dumb enough to have GSF characters in market hubs (there are plenty of these, it's funny to us too). If people want to fight us, they always could come to Pure Blind, Venal, Fade, Cloud Ring, Deklein, Branch, Tenal, or Fountain. All this changes is our likelihood of having our current 70 wardecs in empire, which currently makes empire some bizarro version of NPC 0.0 with decent markets and enforced NRDS.
Well issler's dec is 4 weeks older than ours you know. And she also got first pick of the trade hub raiders. But 33 allies in 4 days wasn't bad!
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![Kyle Myr Kyle Myr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90613965/portrait?size=64)
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:08:00 -
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In calling them 'hub trade raiders' you acknowledge that these are corps that wardecced us anyway under the old system, and understand why we're calling this business as usual, then? |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:12:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:In calling them 'hub trade raiders' you acknowledge that these are corps that wardecced us anyway under the old system, and understand why we're calling this business as usual, then?
I really didn't mind what you called it Kyle Myr. Lets face it - trade hub raiding is kinda the name of the game for this kind of hisec war.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Doctor Benway Kado Doctor Benway Kado](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91379346/portrait?size=64)
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:16:00 -
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Just so we're all clear, people understand why wardecs are pointless to a nullsec corporation, right? Because we live in spaces where we are "wardecced" in a way towards anyone who enters our space?
The only people who care is anyone in our highsec war squad, and right now our biggest problem has been finding good fights. Like... If you want to attack us, you can. For free. Right now. |
![Kyle Myr Kyle Myr](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90613965/portrait?size=64)
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:17:00 -
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This isn't new to us. Under the old system GSF had wardecs from this group constantly, and we operated fine. 33 (you've picked up new ones since I've checked my listings) really doesn't change much, when about half of those are little 2-5 man vanity corps, and the larger ones would likely ally against us in wars anyway.
Under the new system, you just need to pick the highest quality market hub group you can find. I recommend Moar Tears - they seem to undock more organized groups than the others, although Double Tap does seem to have a nicer base in Amarr, and competent scouting.
EDIT: a few of them also like hitting pipes and choke points. This is also a solid tactic, though it tends to prevent the safe usage of neutral logi, as if what you're fighting has tackle on both sides of the gate, your logi could actually die. |
![Sweet'n Sassy Sweet'n Sassy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1501321582/portrait?size=64)
Sweet'n Sassy
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:27:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:I'm pretty sure it was the "mercs" who were whining to CCP about this, since now if you get wardec'd and want help you just put up an advert and the various hisec pvp bottom feeders will flock to your banner. No more multibillion contracts, no more reputation building campaigns--or at least, they'd get lost in the fray and you'd have bottom feeders seeking to mooch credit.
I would agree with this statement.
Yet I would also agree that with all the Goon posting going on in this thread , clearly the idea of a huge war dec has caused many goon members excessive stress in their lives.... The crying here is a virtual cornucopia! |
![Vimsy Vortis Vimsy Vortis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/610653931/portrait?size=64)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
645
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:04:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote: This is also a solid tactic, though it tends to prevent the safe usage of neutral logi, as if what you're fighting has tackle on both sides of the gate, your logi could actually die. It's amazing that people who live in nullsec managed to figure that one out but the people who actually live in highsec have been whining for years about how logistics ships are invincible and there's no way to kill them. It probably has something to do with how they are more concerned with shouting OMG NEUTRAL! NEUTRAL!!!!! rather than actually trying to fight the spaceships. |
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