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Arvedian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 07:15:00 -
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I didn't read the whole thread.
Did Jade fail again and is now typing a lot of dumb words?
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
197
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Posted - 2012.06.13 07:19:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Powers Sa wrote: You cried about it being unfair in the first place, .
*ahem* citation needed (always wanted to say that) Citation: This thread is an emotional response and a secondary reactor to you being upset with the wardec in the first place. Any denial of this would be transparent and an obvious lie. |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2012.06.13 08:20:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:---Update.
Sad news everyone.
Goonswarm have whined CCP into nerfing the Inferno Wardec System because they hated the idea of ever losing even a fraction of their numerical advantage.
Basically defensive allies are being massively nerfed and it will no longer be possible to lock an attacker into a conflict via mutual war that includes any allies at all. (This means that Goonswarm will be able to shed significant offensive wars any time they please without consequence).
And on financial matters - the implication is that it'll be more expensive to call sufficient allies as a defender than it is to make the initial wardec from a 9000 person alliance against a 100 person alliance.
Ah well shrug really.
I guess we'll call it a form of moral victory that Mittani was forced to beg his mates at CCP to nerf the Inferno Wardec System because Goonswarm was being effectively opposed through the ally system. This post is a lie and pure conjecture. We liked the wardec system the way it was. It let us declare our multiple wars and fight everyone in empire. These changes actually hurt us. We don't care about metrics, we don't care about losses, we don't care about the isk war, we don't care about K/D. We do care about people crying on the forums like you were doing so loudly.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.06.13 08:24:00 -
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Versuvius Marii wrote:Meh, I say pack up your gear and go into Deklein personally... Jade, I'm sure you're aware of the Day of Darkness video, how about a reenactment? March on over there! I told her where we were staging in high-sec. |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
231
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Svetlana Moscovich wrote:I got to admit, the whole "goon conspiracy" assertion is pretty thin, even for you, Jade. You broadly spoke of how you were "testing" the new wardec system and actively taking advantage of it and then act surprised when CC patched it. A fact, I might add, they said was planned even before it launched, before you even made this thread, before the Goons wardecced you.
So, explain to me again how this is a Goon plot and CCP is placating to the Goons? It just doesn't add up. I mean, if you start your argument from the beginning at "Well, CCP does everything to placate the Goons" then I'm sure connecting the dots for you in pretty easy. But for a broader base of EVE players, this stretch of the facts is somewhat illogical.
But the best part has to be the fact that you contradict yourself. Burn Jita was about Goons going loco on the Highsec population, killing without pause and taking what they wanted. Now, you've given them a free means to have a large portion of highsec available for killing. Sure, the isk efficiency was in your favor, but that's hardly a reason to assume they instantly wanted their war ended. Putting carebear or freighter ganks aside, you think Goons were behind on the isk war? Or that they even cared. Honestly, if they were looking for a way to turn Highsec into their new stomping grounds, you certainly helped them achieved that goal. Why would they then turn to CCP to change this?
Also, your war is four-five days old and Honda Accords haven't been at war with Goons for more than a month or so? Aren't you being a little arrogant to assume that CCP has announced a new patch, honestly, a lot of work on their part entailing weeks of hard work of multiple people, in response to a five-day or month-old wardec? You honestly believe CCP reacted that fast? Do you know CCP and their famed reaction time? Are you daft? That makes zero sense, to think that CCP announced a new patch because of Honda Accords or your war, for that matter, is just so mind baffling it leaves me laughing. You realize Goon freighters in highsec have been getting popped for years, right? You realize Goons laugh at those same Goons who are moronic enough to fly a freighter into highsec, right? Where's the logic? Where's the connection? This is same old, same old for them...
Honestly, these stretches of the imagination and blatant arrogance are really disappointing. Not only that, but the attacks on CCP as placating Goon leadership over some moronic wardecs is seriously disappointing and really a low-blow on your part to salvage a situation in which you look like a whiny kid...
HTFU Thats a lot of words you apparently failed to post on your goon main. Yeah, how dare you make a post based on sensible use of logic and a stark lack of tinfoil and do so using a character not in the CFC! You dastardly person. You actually tricked Jade into reading something they don't know how to answer. |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
231
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:27:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Weaselior wrote:jade reminder we're still waiting for your explanation of what on earth we (goonswarm leadership) would have to fear from you
you made this assertion then got all quiet-like when mocked on it and people demanded you explain Not empty quoting. This hasn't been copied to the new page yet. I'm helping. |

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:12:00 -
[127] - Quote
Arvedian wrote:I didn't read the whole thread.
Did Jade fail again and is now typing a lot of dumb words?
She just crying because CCP fixed her 0 isk wardec exploit. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2115
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:20:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Arvedian wrote:I didn't read the whole thread.
Did Jade fail again and is now typing a lot of dumb words?
She just crying because CCP fixed her 0 isk wardec exploit.
"Exploits" are not usually the centrepiece mechanics of Eve Online expansions you know.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3319
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:32:00 -
[129] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Weaselior wrote:jade reminder we're still waiting for your explanation of what on earth we (goonswarm leadership) would have to fear from you
you made this assertion then got all quiet-like when mocked on it and people demanded you explain Not empty quoting. This hasn't been copied to the new page yet. I'm helping. hi jade, you sure have typed a lot of words without responding to this |

Svetlana Moscovich
Order Collective The Obsidian Front
2
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:46:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Svetlana Moscovich wrote:I got to admit, the whole "goon conspiracy" assertion is pretty thin, even for you, Jade. You broadly spoke of how you were "testing" the new wardec system and actively taking advantage of it and then act surprised when CC patched it. A fact, I might add, they said was planned even before it launched, before you even made this thread, before the Goons wardecced you.
So, explain to me again how this is a Goon plot and CCP is placating to the Goons? It just doesn't add up. I mean, if you start your argument from the beginning at "Well, CCP does everything to placate the Goons" then I'm sure connecting the dots for you in pretty easy. But for a broader base of EVE players, this stretch of the facts is somewhat illogical.
But the best part has to be the fact that you contradict yourself. Burn Jita was about Goons going loco on the Highsec population, killing without pause and taking what they wanted. Now, you've given them a free means to have a large portion of highsec available for killing. Sure, the isk efficiency was in your favor, but that's hardly a reason to assume they instantly wanted their war ended. Putting carebear or freighter ganks aside, you think Goons were behind on the isk war? Or that they even cared. Honestly, if they were looking for a way to turn Highsec into their new stomping grounds, you certainly helped them achieved that goal. Why would they then turn to CCP to change this?
Also, your war is four-five days old and Honda Accords haven't been at war with Goons for more than a month or so? Aren't you being a little arrogant to assume that CCP has announced a new patch, honestly, a lot of work on their part entailing weeks of hard work of multiple people, in response to a five-day or month-old wardec? You honestly believe CCP reacted that fast? Do you know CCP and their famed reaction time? Are you daft? That makes zero sense, to think that CCP announced a new patch because of Honda Accords or your war, for that matter, is just so mind baffling it leaves me laughing. You realize Goon freighters in highsec have been getting popped for years, right? You realize Goons laugh at those same Goons who are moronic enough to fly a freighter into highsec, right? Where's the logic? Where's the connection? This is same old, same old for them...
Honestly, these stretches of the imagination and blatant arrogance are really disappointing. Not only that, but the attacks on CCP as placating Goon leadership over some moronic wardecs is seriously disappointing and really a low-blow on your part to salvage a situation in which you look like a whiny kid...
HTFU Thats a lot of words you apparently failed to post on your goon main. Yeah, how dare you make a post based on sensible use of logic and a stark lack of tinfoil and do so using a character not in the CFC! You dastardly person. You actually tricked Jade into reading something they don't know how to answer. Im OF, Jade... So now Ive got a goon main? Umm, can I have moon goo profits, please. |
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zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:03:00 -
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First of all, LOL at the goon spin doctors, but the sudden spike in goon activity in this thread is kind of an obvious sign of spin.
Also, what happened to making wars "hardcore", and making them relevant again? Seems to me it was working: either attacker bit off more than it could chew, or defender got obliterated, but in either case a surrender would happen.
So it doesn't work so well in extreme cases such as for the goons (who can sustain wars indefinitely, and will always have people willing to shoot them), and CCP's solution is to pretty much remove any commitment from the aggressor. It's only natural the the big (usually just fat) kid pushes the little guy around, but now they're locked in the same room, and the big kid's gonna get the key. *flashback* (if i understood the changes right) Seems to me like the griefer's version of incursions, with more station camping coming soon
The reason eve is fun, is because there's usually a way to do what you want (grief, pvp, pve, troll local, etc), if you know what you're doing. There tend to be ways of beating the odds, and CCP over-nerfed a feature that was mostly ok, and broke it completely instead of tweaking it.
inb4 goon spin: yes, this is an alt. no, you can't hazmastuffs when i ragequit
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
892
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:05:00 -
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Chicken Pizza wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote: I'm pretty sure that we aren't the ones crying about the foreverwar that we wanted and started. If anything we want a wardec system that allows us to shoot everyone in highsec forever.
Oh please, you guys use the most obvious and transparent cop-outs possible. When will you come up with something creative, for once, instead of recycling the same genre of excuses over and over again? You're just a bunch of whiny, obnoxious kids, whose leader looks like the one of the biggest douchebags in the history of douchebaggery. Too bad your numbers are the only thing you're good for.
I'd go with metrosexual yuppie rather than douchebag, his milky white skin is incompatible with the gym/tan/laundry routine of true douchebags.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Svetlana Moscovich
Order Collective The Obsidian Front
2
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:08:00 -
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The highlight of your entire position must be the fact that you make such a broad accusation so recklessly and, if anybody tries to call you on it, you conjure up the EVE boogeyman by screaming, "Its the goons, its the goons," instead of perhaps the opposite. It could almost be your fault. You make a thread broadcasting and boasting that you are abusing a game mechanic in a way the developers hadn't intended and play the slighted stepchild of highsec when CCP patches said abuse.
CCP had stated in the original Inferno thread a response to similar concerns made by Merccorps who didnt like being locked into a mutual war without end. Merc corps publically called on CCP to make these changes. That's a stark contrast to the picture you paint of Goons crying to CCP from the shadows....
*golfclap* |

Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions Solid Foundation
159
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:23:00 -
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Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go. |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
892
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:28:00 -
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Wolodymyr wrote:Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.
It was four billion to wardec us if I remember correctly. That said, unlike what you seem to be implying we have no problem with people who want to shoot us. Even if the wardec changes do go through, everyone is welcome to organize a fleet and come shoot us in nullsec.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:39:00 -
[136] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go. It was four billion to wardec us if I remember correctly. That said, unlike what you seem to be implying we have no problem with people who want to shoot us. Even if the wardec changes do go through, everyone is welcome to organize a fleet and come shoot us in nullsec.
... he says, while high fiving his CFC/OTEC/Pet nullbag bros
These pubbies don't understand us goonbros, bro |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1427

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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:56:00 -
[137] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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BENJAMENIZ3R
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:21:00 -
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The Fail is strong in GSF these days!!
1) Wardec has jack **** to do with invading Null. Get that ridiculous argument out of your heads, it's polluting my eyes. 2) GSF is getting all kinds of help from CCP on this, make no mistake. CCP you basically cut off any assistance a smaller entity could bring to bear against a bigger entity (GSF). 3) You're mad poasting to argue against Jade is all the proof anyone reading this needs. 4) Keep acting all high and mighty, We enjoy watching your nubs fly into hi, and get popped in expensive golems 5) LoL |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3324
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:24:00 -
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BENJAMENIZ3R wrote:The Fail is strong in GSF these days!!
1) Wardec has jack **** to do with invading Null. Get that ridiculous argument out of your heads, it's polluting my eyes. 2) GSF is getting all kinds of help from CCP on this, make no mistake. CCP you basically cut off any assistance a smaller entity could bring to bear against a bigger entity (GSF). 3) You're mad poasting to argue against Jade is all the proof anyone reading this needs. 4) Keep acting all high and mighty, We enjoy watching your nubs fly into hi, and get popped in expensive golems 5) LoL could you point me to some of our guys getting popped in golems in highsec
seriously i would like to see those killmails i bet they're a hoot |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3324
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:25:00 -
[140] - Quote
also jade have some dignity about altposting |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2127
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:27:00 -
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Wolodymyr wrote:Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go.
They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec.
Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3332
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:44:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you
just reminding you again |

Trappist Monk
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:49:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go. They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think. Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec. Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Setup bait alliance. Say the most horrible things possible about the Goons. Dare them to dec your "tiny" alliance. They dec, you set mutual, you invite corps directly into your alliance. Actually that's something you could do now, but I suspect you're attached to your alliance name/rep/POSs. Take it a step further and create a noob how-to guide on setting up 2 to 4 week old characters for an appropriately destructive ship fit (Hulkageddon setups would work well enough and the guide already exists and it would be a funny turnabout). Setup a naming convention (e.g. "Goon Killer [Insert Name Here]") just for fun. Now, invite all those players into the corp/alliance. Presto. Flashy Goons for all to farm. Bonus: it doesn't cost much to field the fleet. |

Trappist Monk
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you just reminding you again It's not that they should be, they are. Why else whine to CCP? |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: FHC guys.
Who?
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:51:00 -
[146] - Quote
Trappist Monk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Wolodymyr wrote:Wardeck changes make it cost half a bil or so to wardeck the Goons -> Goons create a "Ministry of Love" to hassle random highsec pubbies -> People in wardecks can call for help -> Goons sabre rattle and shout "Come at me bro!" -> Everyone who wanted to shoot Goons joins up -> EPIC BUTTHURT
Also if anyone wants to perma deckt he goons just do a show info on "Goonswarm Federation" once every two weeks or so and join whatever wars they are in. It works under the new mechanics and it's not an exploit. There you go. They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think. Still there will be options, FHC guys are making a foreign legion style alliance that will get the "free" ally slot from SF and the plan is that alliance will be open access come or go to anyone who wants to shoot goons for free in hisec. Its an additional layer of admin hassle I appreciate but its got to be better than paying 500m each to hit these guys. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Setup bait alliance. Say the most horrible things possible about the Goons. Dare them to dec your "tiny" alliance. They dec, you set mutual, you invite corps directly into your alliance. . Yes do this actually
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2127
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:52:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you just reminding you again
Goonswarm have made almost a 1000 posts in 24 hours bleating and whinging in favour of the Inferno ally wardec nerf. If it bleats like a goat it probably is a goat. Currently you guys are facing 40 allies that we've raised in 4 days. Unless you are able to slamduck the Inferno 1.1 nerf into place by any means neccessary you will be facing 400 by this time next year. It will be impossible for any goonswarm member to travel anywhere in hisec in anything bigger than a cloaking bomber.
You are not scared. You are terrified. And the stink of your fear can be detected in every desperate post you make.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2012.06.13 17:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you just reminding you again Goonswarm have made almost a 1000 posts in 24 hours bleating and whinging in favour of the Inferno ally wardec nerf. If it bleats like a goat it probably is a goat. Currently you guys are facing 40 allies that we've raised in 4 days. Unless you are able to slamduck the Inferno 1.1 nerf into place by any means neccessary you will be facing 400 by this time next year. It will be impossible for any goonswarm member to travel anywhere in hisec in anything bigger than a cloaking bomber. You are not scared. You are terrified. And the stink of your fear can be detected in every desperate post you make.
Dear Jade Constantine,
While we cower in fear from your 40 two man corps I would like you to consider the linked statement.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

zxc Uisen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.13 17:07:00 -
[149] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: They will be considerably more careful in the new system I think.
jade reminder i am still, many posts later, waiting on your explanation for why on earth goonswarm leadership would be scared of you just reminding you again
*topic change detected*
Stay on topic, i know you guys have have had your pride wounded (despite the chest beating), so htfu plz Does anyone know if CCP checked out some alternative wardec cost calculations? Mainly to make sure 100 man corps don't wardec 2man corps. I think they mentionned they were worried about the opposite (1 man corps deccing 100 man corps) |

Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.06.13 17:16:00 -
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Goons live in null
why would they care about this high-sec war
O, WAIT..... |
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