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Kronossan Tread Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.12 07:43:00 - [181] Originally by: Krypton VI isn't that your duty to maintain a rule abiding adherence to the rules as opposed to rage quiting tactics? It is the devs duty to test stuff... on the test server. Us being allowed on there is a privilege, not a right. _________________
Seiver D'amross Subach-Tech	Posted - 2009.10.12 08:34:00 - [182] i support what they did, and if they dont turn it back on the general public that there dection. we do not pay for the test server, we pay for TQ. end of _____________________________________________________ I shal stand tall and shake the heavens with my power
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.10.12 09:07:00 - [183] Originally by: Seiver D'amross we do not pay for the test server, we pay for TQ. end of So, who pays the test server? Is it run by donations? Or do the Devs pay for it themselves, just for fun? What about the building CCP works in? Electricity? ISP? All that stuff is paid by whom exactly, if not us? We're paying for everything CCP does. Just because it isn't listed doesn't mean it's not paid. I doubt restaurants list the cost for washing the kitchen floor, yet you're still paying for it. -- As to closing SiSi from public - isn't that the reason this server exists? To be a public test server? There are several more, that are non-public, AFAIK.
axion laforge Lost Space Wanderers	Posted - 2009.10.12 09:18:00 - [184] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: Seiver D'amross we do not pay for the test server, we pay for TQ. end of So, who pays the test server? Is it run by donations? Or do the Devs pay for it themselves, just for fun? What about the building CCP works in? Electricity? ISP? All that stuff is paid by whom exactly, if not us? We're paying for everything CCP does. Just because it isn't listed doesn't mean it's not paid. I doubt restaurants list the cost for washing the kitchen floor, yet you're still paying for it. would love to see any restaurant allow you to **** on the floor and not either throw you out and then not serioulsly charge you for the privalge
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.10.12 10:17:00 - [185] TQ is based in london i believe, SISI server is the old machines and some new ones that used to run TQ shipped em back to iceland and ccp uses em now to test new code, new items and basically pre patch. Its run by the company paid for by the company for the company ( CCP) it is just wider scale testing using players to test new material. Its beta testing for paying accounts, its a privaladge to use it and contribute
Seiver D'amross Subach-Tech	Posted - 2009.10.12 10:46:00 - [186] Originally by: HeliosGal TQ is based in London i believe, SISI server is the old machines and some new ones that used to run TQ shipped em back to Iceland and ccp uses em now to test new code, new items and basically pre patch. Its run by the company paid for by the company for the company ( CCP) it is just wider scale testing using players to test new material. Its beta testing for paying accounts, its a privileged to use it and contribute bingo, they let us use it. we have no right to demand it. Whiny people who cant see that need to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. _____________________________________________________ I shal stand tall and shake the heavens with my power
Anslo The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:45:00 - [187] Originally by: Seiver D'amross Originally by: HeliosGal TQ is based in London i believe, SISI server is the old machines and some new ones that used to run TQ shipped em back to Iceland and ccp uses em now to test new code, new items and basically pre patch. Its run by the company paid for by the company for the company ( CCP) it is just wider scale testing using players to test new material. Its beta testing for paying accounts, its a privileged to use it and contribute bingo, they let us use it. we have no right to demand it. Whiny people who cant see that need to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. You sir, are an idiot. :) Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here.
Kachiko Sama Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:52:00 - [188] Originally by: Anslo You sir, are an idiot. :) Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here. Pretty directly we pay for the food on the tables of ccp employees and the roofs over their heads. Doesn't mean we have the slightest 'right' to come take it. Your argument is essentially a self entitlement complex wrapped in a (very thin) veneer pretending to be logic. Go reread the T&C and work out exactly what your subscription entitles you to (hint, it's basically nothing).
Tish Magev The New Era	Posted - 2009.10.12 12:09:00 - [189] Quote: You sir, are an idiot. :) Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here. I think you'll probably find you're the idiot. If you seriously think that the purchase of a single product (EvE online) give you access and right to all the companies assets who sold you that product then you really are a moron. I assume therefore when you go shopping you take a cash register with as you leave, I mean after all that cash register was paid for using profits from your purchases at that store so surely you own that cash register, right? Wake the **** up, you pay for EvE Online MMO on the live server (named Tranquility). You have no right, nor ownership of any other property of CCP. The ONLY reason you are allowed access to the test server because it is in their best interests, as soon as it stops being in their best interests they should, can and do take it away.
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.10.12 12:34:00 - [190] Edited by: Elsa Nietzsche on 12/10/2009 12:34:26 confirming that Anslo is an idiot.

Anslo The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:45:00 - [191] I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again. WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.
smokeydapot	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:54:00 - [192] Originally by: Anslo Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here. Did you read the EULA at all 4. SUBSCRIPTION FEES AND PAYMENT TERMS After the Trial Period, you are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVE. You are informed of the subscription fee and payment terms during the registration process. The current subscription fee and payment terms may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/pricing.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference. CCP may amend the subscription fee and payment terms at any time. 6. TERMINATION; SUSPENSION OF ACCOUNT Part A CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVE (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game).
McFly C0LDFIRE	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:58:00 - [193] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind I doubt restaurants list the cost for washing the kitchen floor, yet you're still paying for it. Not that I'm taking sides here but one thing to point out with this metaphor is that when you go out to a restaurant would they let you cook up an omelete on their grill?
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:20:00 - [194] Look at all these noobs crying because they can't get into ships that they'l never actually fly. ITS MAH RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING DAMMIT! I PAY YOU MONEY NOW I HAVE RIGHTS TO ALL YOUR COMPANY ASSETS!
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:48:00 - [195] Originally by: Soi Mala Look at all these noobs crying because they can't get into ships that they'l never actually fly. ITS MAH RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING DAMMIT! I PAY YOU MONEY NOW I HAVE RIGHTS TO ALL YOUR COMPANY ASSETS! Yeah, I must say my new Yacht is floating nicely on this ocean of tears.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.12 15:45:00 - [196] Originally by: Anslo I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again. WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT. Actually you're wrong by the way. When your account expires you can still get on Sisi until they Mirror. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2009.10.12 16:39:00 - [197] I actually made it onto the test-server and got a Titan insta-ganked by another Titan-gang from 4FUN. So much for testing anything. Only thing I found out was that a Titan can take atleast 4 of those new DDs. Warping to a FFA with a dread/carrier would also get you insta-ganked. They do however die in 1 shot. I dont think devs closed Sisi only because some idiots ruined any attempt to test anything. They also need to fix the sov issues before sov testing. When it comes to banning and stuff. It's an easy solution to that problem. Only allow players who have logged into sisi at least 2 times last month. That way you should think people logging on have heard about FFAs, rules and stuff.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.10.12 17:11:00 - [198] Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:13:48 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:12:27 Originally by: McFly Not that I'm taking sides here but one thing to point out with this metaphor is that when you go out to a restaurant would they let you cook up an omelete on their grill? Hm. Depends, I guess. What if it's "Cook your own omelete day" ? Or rather "Cook you own meal while we provide tools day". Originally by: Soi Mala Look at all these noobs crying because they can't get into ships that they'l never actually fly. Yeah, how dare they try something new that might give them (another) reason to stay on to the game. If you don't know from the first moment on that you like eve, you shouldn't even play, right? No one needs further incentive to play, or needs to try anything new... Originally by: Brixer When it comes to banning and stuff. It's an easy solution to that problem. Only allow players who have logged into sisi at least 2 times last month. That way you should think people logging on have heard about FFAs, rules and stuff. So, anyone new by default must not be allowed to try stuff? In that case, I suggest next time there is an event like that, don't publicise it. Find out who went to the test server, and mail them. Also, remove all threads on the forum that even mention it, so now one is able to know about it. And of course DO NOT mention it in a dev blog. Don't tell people to look out for anouncements, if you dont't want people to come.
Comodore John Gallente Xennon Industria LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM	Posted - 2009.10.12 17:55:00 - [199] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:13:48 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:12:27 In that case, I suggest next time there is an event like that, don't publicise it. Find out who went to the test server, and mail them. Also, remove all threads on the forum that even mention it, so now one is able to know about it. And of course DO NOT mention it in a dev blog. Don't tell people to look out for anouncements, if you dont't want people to come. Same as the idea I've had for the two weeks or so, only announce events this big on SiSi so the people who actually test stuff can test uninterrupted and not have completely clueless people to mess everything up.
Herpes Sweatrash	Posted - 2009.10.12 18:40:00 - [200] well I could not be bothered waiting in queue for all you hairdressers and your alts to log in so this is what you get for getting on before me

Stella's Rage	Posted - 2009.10.12 18:54:00 - [201] Originally by: Anslo I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again. WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT. get a clue. until then stop posting.
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.12 18:57:00 - [202] EULA says we only get TQ access for our money end of discussion
Cheesestick Charlie	Posted - 2009.10.12 19:11:00 - [203] Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper EULA says we only get TQ access for our money end of discussion While the EULA doesn't mention anything specifically about TQ, it also says that your subscription does not guarantee the server to be up when you want it to be. Basicly it says that CCP have the right to take down the server at any time, for any reason. I'm assuming this is talking about TQ, and I also assume it applies to SISI as well. Now stop whining, Sisi is a privilege not a right.
Seiver D'amross Subach-Tech	Posted - 2009.10.12 19:16:00 - [204] Originally by: Herpes Sweatrash well I could not be bothered waiting in queue for all you hairdressers and your alts to log in so this is what you get for getting on before me me ether, i remember the last gedden day and that's what this was _____________________________________________________ I shal stand tall and shake the heavens with my power
Shirei Fenikkusu Knights of the Eternal Flame	Posted - 2009.10.12 19:43:00 - [205] It really was a fail test. Tons of lag, no moderation, many capital ship mechanics were broken. Titans and Fighter Bombers were unbelievably over powered. To get away from all the lag you had to move out of FD- and the other seeded systems, but if you are like some of my fellow corpmates, you had already redeemed your caps, and since jump drives were completely disabled you couldn't move your caps. As for compensation for the fail testing event, there really is no reason to give compensation. Many people were not able to get on, but the event lasted 48 hours just like CCP announced, and the server cap was obviously hit. CCP even adjusted the server cap for the second day from 600 to 1000 in order to let more people in. Anyway, hopefully CCP will learn from their mistakes with this event. I would strongly suggest a larger capacity server for future tests, one that could support 1500 players.
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.12 22:26:00 - [206] Quote: Good News! The EULA is not legally binding. oh yes it is. you have to "sign" it by clicking accept before you get into the game. if you don't you can't play. every one of you accepted the conditions, even if you did not read them. EULA is a binding contract as long as you are ingame. they specifically outruled every possibility for you to sue them should the server be unreachable ( ex. "we don't guarantee the server to be uptime 100%" ). however you can always chose to decline the EULA and stop playing. on the Sisi part: i think they define "Server" as TQ in the EULA, when they give you the right to play on it, if you paid and not happened to be banned and server is up, etc.
Taladool	Posted - 2009.10.12 22:31:00 - [207] so, what do we have to do to be added to the VIP list? or is it just Bug hunters and CCP, TBH im interested in testing super caps, and almost never use sisi for free pvp, unless its to test a ship that has been changed.
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.12 23:33:00 - [208] Singularity (Test server) Status: Running (Not accepting connections) Players: 3 so i guess, we have to wait a little longer
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC Dead End Society	Posted - 2009.10.12 23:52:00 - [209] Originally by: Anslo I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again. WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT. we pay to access tq and nothing more. the eula, t&c and coc all state that you are only pay to access tq and that ccp have the right to suspend your access to tq without warning, and for any reason they see fit. so logically, your account could be banned simply for not buying a dev a beer at fanfest or looking at them funny adn there is nothing you can do about it. this would also remove your rights to post on these forums, which you also dont pay to access, ccp lets you access them while your tq account is active because they are nice like that, but they could turn around and delete the forums completely tomorrow just because they felt like it and there is nothing you can do about i cause the t&c states that they have every right to do what ever the f*ck they want ______________________________________________
Kamikazie Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.10.13 00:13:00 - [210] I would expect to see the sov mechanics when it coems back up. A CCP guy confirmed on Singularity just before super cap testing they wont do it untill a new mirror. So maybe the reason its in VIP mode and a new mirror is that they are mirroring it for sov wars and the VIP testing is infact the CPP employess and GMs making sure tis ready for the test. Has anyone considered its down for them to internally test stuff, IE stuff we shouldent know just yet, and its not because of anything the players did on Singularity?



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