Originally by: Krypton VI

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isn't that your duty to maintain a rule abiding adherence to the rules as opposed to rage quiting tactics?

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Originally by: snoozle

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well..that was a great waste of an afternoon waiting in qeue for like 4 hours allmost

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Originally by: Chris Bailey

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nice :| try my idea under a month old your not aloud on the test server

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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet

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when someone sez "eve is too tuff"
standard reply is "can i have stuff?"

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Originally by: Anslo

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So let me get this straight...
instead of the ISD doing their job, banning players not abiding by rules and moderating the server on a day you all KNEW would be a bit big (in which case would need more moderation), you're just shutting down the server.
The majority of us, who followed the server rules, are getting punished because you all don't want to watch local and complaints and ban a few people?
Well this is certainly easier then isn't it. Lord forbid the ISD's and mods have to NOT be afk and actually moderate.
Good job CCP, I approve

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Originally by: Denras

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Shoelace, good that measure's where taken to stop the idiots station camping, but a fair amount of us waited ages for a dev to come on and fix the fact we did not get our all level 5 skill'. I don't mind that just sat around in station all weekend doing nothing, but what i do mind id that we where told next to nothing about why we did not get the skills and why no one was fixing it. I understand its your weekend but leaving around 900 players with titans and all level 5 skills almost unwatched is just asking for problems.
Compensation would be highly appreciated.

Regards, Denras and the other non level 5 skill people.

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Originally by: Wacoede

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Originally by: Chris Bailey

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nice :| try my idea under a month old your not aloud on the test server

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better yet under a year old because for at least the first year most newbies don't know about SiSi or what they want to do in EVE

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Originally by: Wacoede

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Originally by: Chris Bailey

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nice :| try my idea under a month old your not aloud on the test server

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better yet under a year old because for at least the first year most newbies don't know about SiSi or what they want to do in EVE

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Originally by: whispous

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HAHAHAHA @ people asking for "compensation". hahahaha.

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Originally by: houndbite

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wow thats just ******ed just ban the guys doing it

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: whispous

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HAHAHAHA @ people asking for "compensation". hahahaha.

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Probably people like this guy here who ruined it for us all.

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Originally by: Alphrya

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Lies.

I got 4 accounts onto sisi in under 30 minutes.

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Originally by: whispous

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HAHAHAHA @ people asking for "compensation". hahahaha.

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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Originally by: Wadddi

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Who are the 42 people online?

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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well they could simply go by character/account age, if your character isnt at least 2 years old you don't get on Singularity.

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
its a shame that ccp had to take the server down but fully understandable,

its not part of the game and not part of what you pay for, although that might be a good idea,,
i'd pay to be allowed to test training paths and ships etc, saves making the mistakes on tq.

the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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Originally by: Wadddi

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Edited by: Wadddi on 11/10/2009 15:41:17
Who are the 42 people online? and the guy above seriously just because we are younger we pay the same subscription so just shutup.

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Originally by: whispous

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Originally by: Wadddi

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Who are the 42 people online?

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Members of the Band of Brothers alliance obviously

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
its a shame that ccp had to take the server down but fully understandable,

its not part of the game and not part of what you pay for, although that might be a good idea,,
i'd pay to be allowed to test training paths and ships etc, saves making the mistakes on tq.

the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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Ok these kind of comments are now just making me angry.
What the hell do you people think you're saying "It's not CCP's job to blahblahblah," really?
I'm sorry I thought it WAS the job of a company to ensure quality in its products. Yes, that includes sisi, whether we "pay" for it or not. In a sense, we do pay for it. It comes with paying for TQ. Without an active TQ account, no Sisi. So for all those buggers out there saying "Stop whining we're not paying for it," kindly shut up. We are paying for it, indirectly, but we are.

Secondly, it IS their job to take care of this crap. There's 500 people on the server during the test right? 3/4 of them were in FD-MLJ or whatever it is. How many mods does it take to moderate 1 system? Five, maybe six or so? Is that REALLY so much? Apparently so, because we only had 2 ISD's the whole bloody time, with people screaming about rules being broken etc. Hell, some of the players even had to take justice into their own hands by clearing out FFAs meant for BS's housing carriers. Yes, I admit, we did take caps and such into non cap FFA's, but only to clear out griefing caps. Once we were done, we shot the wreck, told people it was safe to come back, and left. Simple. Isn't it the ISD's job to ban those people, not our job to have to kill them? Hell, some of us were even PUNISHED for helping them.

So yes, it IS CCP's job to mod this crap, yes we ARE paying for it, and no ALL of us shouldn't suffer because some people are too lazy to press the ******* ban button.

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Originally by: Anslo

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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGEEEEEEEEE

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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov

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Nah, after Dominion comes out the singularity population will drop down to normal again ^_^

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Originally by: Anslo

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So let me get this straight...
instead of the ISD doing their job, banning players not abiding by rules and moderating the server on a day you all KNEW would be a bit big (in which case would need more moderation), you're just shutting down the server.
The majority of us, who followed the server rules, are getting punished because you all don't want to watch local and complaints and ban a few people?
Well this is certainly easier then isn't it. Lord forbid the ISD's and mods have to NOT be afk and actually moderate.
Good job CCP, I approve

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGEEEEEEEEE

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands. It was created to TEST ships and modules to make sure that they aren't gamebreaking and NOT to allow people like you to go on and play with new big toys.

2: If you think you could do better than them, THEN ****ING SIGN UP TO THE GM/ISD PROGRAM AND PROVE IT OR SHUT THE **** UP.

and no, i never managed to connect before it went down.

Also all you guys who fell for whispous's troll, you are aweful and should die irl.

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGEEEEEEEEE

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands. It was created to TEST ships and modules to make sure that they aren't gamebreaking and NOT to allow people like you to go on and play with new big toys.

2: If you think you could do better than them,SIGN UP TO THE GM/ISD PROGRAM AND PROVE IT.

and no, i never managed to connect before it went down.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov

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Nah, after Dominion comes out the singularity population will drop down to normal again ^_^

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Originally by: Aglais

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Still why wasn't everyone in FD-MLJ just banned? I saw genuine testing going on in X-M2LR; nobody was causing a serious ruckus there. It would've saved alot of time, and alot of whining, if it was just the FD-Tards who were removed.

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Originally by: Aglais

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Still why wasn't everyone in FD-MLJ just banned? I saw genuine testing going on in X-M2LR; nobody was causing a serious ruckus there. It would've saved alot of time, and alot of whining, if it was just the FD-Tards who were removed.

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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov

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Originally by: Alphrya

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Lies.

I got 4 accounts onto sisi in under 30 minutes.

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And that's something to be proud of? ******* like you taking up the queue should be the ones being banned.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Bolded the important part of my post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Bolded the important part of my post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Bolded the important part of my post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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And you seem to have an inability to understand english.
How are these ISD, GMs etc etc paid? Through our subscription money. Part of their job WOULD be to mod Sisi. Ever heard of "There's no such thing as a free lunch?" Same applies here, it looks like they're doing it for free, but in truth they are not. Please get out :)

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Originally by: Scrapyard Attendant

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may i ask how you found this clever notion of its their free time out?

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Originally by: Project CareBears

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so you close the sever for everybody instead of banning the players there eject 200 ships? wth is the point. some of us do it for testing stuff. please open again, i think the bad guys learned the lesion

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Originally by: Dark Flare

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PROTIP: ISD is voluntary. You understand what that word means right?

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Originally by: Blueaise

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before we all get into a mass nerdrage about having our shiny taken away and why we think we are entitled to xyz lets stop for a minute and think about what is important.

1: sisi is important because they havent finished balancing the changes yet, the numbers are up in the air, we have this one opportunity to influence the devs to actually make changes that don't nerf everything to oblivion and cause mass emoragequitting on the 2nd december.

2: testing is actually a serious business. for all the arsehattery and wanting to test how uber your fitting skills are, the real purpose of sisi is to test genuine game balance scenarios on the changes and expose any big bugs that will cause real problems on your important, fee paid subscription.

3: the sort of behaviour that went on at sisi was like 4 year olds at playgroup with no adults, it really was utterly pathetic, for all the noobz in titans were forgetting that sisi isnt what you pay your subscription for - its actually a test facility for CCP's QA team, you are there by invitation not by paid right. as pointed out most test servers are closed for inhouse QA teams and registered approved volunteers.

4: You can either asshat around on sisi ganking to hell and back, or you can try and do something constructive that helps you, and CCP develop a product that is better for everyone. simply raging because you cant have everything your own way is not going to achieve anything but getting public access to sisi closed permenantly to the detriment of the opportunity to provide useful player feedback pre-nerfbat.

with l5's for all this was bound to happen, people who have bothered spending time skilling for supercaps have a vested interest in testing changes that directly effect their gameplay and the value of their alliances 70bn ships, 3 month old noobz DD ganking on station test nothing other than the ability to be a asshat when there is no personal loss involved.

Its a shame this happened, a lot of good could have come out of this weekend, but as usual a bunch of idiots has ruined it for the majority, now istead of raging against CCP i suggest you understand there are actual proper volunteer BH and testers who do have real work to get on with pre-dominion and therefore if people en-mass are going to break rules and stop that happening then CCP has a right as stated in the rules to shut access.

its said that so many spoilt kids can't just grow up and act responsibly, and treat CCP and its employees with a bit more respect especially the ISD volunteers who do actually give up their game time to help improve Eve. Seriously guys, i would like to know whatever copyshop/dunkin/donuts/7-11 some of you work at and come and rage at you for your lack of service/whatever as much as you do on these forums and see how you enjoy it ffs.

I'm sad about it, a lot of sisi regulars are very UH about it, as suggested elsewhere if anyone wants to start a name and shame list of sisi asshats for tranq punishment, lets get it on.

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Originally by: xOfDeath

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well i totally support the decision to close the test server to the public

maybe itll make the noobs not abiding by the rules wake up and start acting like decent EVEians

(probably not though, ban hammer has been proven as the most effective treatment against noobies)

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Dark Flare

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PROTIP: ISD is voluntary. You understand what that word means right?

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Then how about CCP employees and the GM's hm? Besides, you don't just get ISD by saying "OOOH MEMEMME!" You have to prove you can really bring something to the table. It's like a rather competitive job. So, if these "amazing" volunteers were accepted as ISD members, why didn't they do the job they volunteered for? Should they actually have ISD then?

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Originally by: Adnvari Nehal

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Dark Flare

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-minor snip to save page space-

And yea Ivanna, I remember you out there helping out the BH. :) Nice job btw

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Thanks, and a big thanks to the guys who helped keep myself and my mates fueled up.( you know who you are ! )

Originally by: 3strikes

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i can see the logic behind the decision, but the punish everyone for the mistakes of a few is a bit out of hand. it's pretty unfair to those who weren't doing anything wrong

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Originally by: Wanna Kill

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haha this thread is ****ing incredible.
you people are the same guys who whine when you dont win in draws

ccp, my whole WEEKEND has been RUINED because I cannot connect to the *test* server. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Bolded the important part of my post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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Originally by: Anslo

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In a sense, we do pay for it. It comes with paying for TQ. Without an active TQ account, no Sisi. So for all those buggers out there saying "Stop whining we're not paying for it," kindly shut up. We are paying for it, indirectly, but we are.

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Originally by: Dreae

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Edited by: Dreae on 11/10/2009 16:33:12

Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Anslo

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Originally by: Yafn

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1: You are NOT paying for the right to be on the test server, it is moderated mostly by GM's, ISD and CCP emploees with free time on their hands.

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CCP knew this was going to be a big event, they should have prepared for it with more mods.

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Bolded the important part of my post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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Originally by: Anslo

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In a sense, we do pay for it. It comes with paying for TQ. Without an active TQ account, no Sisi. So for all those buggers out there saying "Stop whining we're not paying for it," kindly shut up. We are paying for it, indirectly, but we are.

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Bolded the important part of his post which you failed to read because you were frothing over your keyboard too much.

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Originally by: CCP Taera

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May I have your stuff?

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Originally by: ViRUS Pottage

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So instead of banning them you decide to punish us all. Thanks.

Find your bugs yourself.

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Originally by: ViRUS Pottage

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So instead of banning them you decide to punish us all. Thanks.

Find your bugs yourself.

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Originally by: Incantare

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Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.

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Originally by: Sir Dancealot

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Originally by: ViRUS Pottage

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So instead of banning them you decide to punish us all. Thanks.

Find your bugs yourself.

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CCP, I have caught one in a quotebox!

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Originally by: CCP Taera

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May I have your stuff?

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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche

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I get the feeling that a lot of the people on here rageposting have a very wrong view on the purpose of Sisi. In that light, I am also in agreement that CCP did the right thing in just shutting it down.
Hopefully when the smoke clears, the ragers will go back to TQ and the testers can get back to Sisi.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Edited by: Blane Xero on 11/10/2009 16:35:53

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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke

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Well put, if your using SISI to get your "rocks off" and to "pew pew" then you are on the wrong server, many people was doing tests, and writing up reports. Today I had a fleet op planned with a few people in a low sec system, but this has put a stop on it.

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Originally by: Ratty Ratter

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I had plans too but CCP messed them up

i see 44 players online. thats 44 ISD/MODs? WTF why do they say "As the situation was getting out of control on the test server" then. if they cant handle that problems with 44 man i wonder how they made this game ..

and it was not because of some players there didn't follow the rules... just say it CCP... your severs are crap

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Originally by: Ratty Ratter

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I had plans too but CCP messed them up

i see 44 players online. thats 44 ISD/MODs? WTF why do they say "As the situation was getting out of control on the test server" then. if they cant handle that problems with 44 man i wonder how they made this game ..

and it was not because of some players there didn't follow the rules... just say it CCP... your severs are crap

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Originally by: Rebnok

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they should have just gave everyone like 10 m sp to put where you want, if that wouldnt be enough sp for you to be in a titan you have no reason to test one

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Originally by: Yafn

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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke

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Well put, if your using SISI to get your "rocks off" and to "pew pew" then you are on the wrong server, many people was doing tests, and writing up reports. Today I had a fleet op planned with a few people in a low sec system, but this has put a stop on it.

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If this is true then you are of a minority, The majority seem to use Sisi for the following:

1: ****ing off testers intentionally for kicks
2: Players using ships they would probably never be able to a afford on tq to play around in.
3: Especially on days like today, new players flying ships they will never probably have the isk or skills to fly ie Titans. "HOW DO I USE TITAN JUMP DRIVE???" is probably the best quote from this weekend to describe this.
4: People using Sisi to pvp on because they are so bad at it on tq where they actually lose money.

Tbh, if proper testers want to test in relative peace, they should sign up to be bughunters. Although I recognise that some people might not be comfortable with that.

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Originally by: Chris Bailey

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and when we suggest things/complain the devs run away and dont reply

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Originally by: Gomarrah

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is the test comming back? I took the weekend off work for this.

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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well they could simply go by character/account age, if your character isnt at least 2 years old you don't get on Singularity.

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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well they could simply go by character/account age, if your character isnt at least 2 years old you don't get on Singularity.

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5 years and older only imo

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Originally by: Comodore John

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Can you allow those of us who are on the test server regularly to be on? Those of us on regularly are obviously not breaking rules (or we would've been banned already) and are providing feedback and not just fooling around.

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Originally by: Comodore John

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Can you allow those of us who are on the test server regularly to be on? Those of us on regularly are obviously not breaking rules (or we would've been banned already) and are providing feedback and not just fooling around.

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Originally by: smokeydapot

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Altho the ISD's have no ban ability they could have done a bit more, they have move ability right ?

Move the fools to a system 40 + jumps away to let those that went to test get on with testing.

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Originally by: Blueaise

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The real purpose of sisi is to test genuine game balance scenarios on the changes and expose any big bugs that will cause real problems on your important, fee paid subscription.

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Originally by: Blueaise

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3: the sort of behaviour that went on at sisi was like 4 year olds at playgroup with no adults.

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Originally by: Yafn

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4: People using Sisi to pvp on because they are so bad at it on tq where they actually lose money.

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Originally by: Blueaise

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4: You can either asshat around on sisi ganking to hell and back, or you can try and do something constructive that helps you, and CCP develop a product that is better for everyone. simply raging because you cant have everything your own way is not going to achieve anything but getting public access to sisi closed permenantly to the detriment of the opportunity to provide useful player feedback pre-nerfbat.

Its a shame this happened, a lot of good could have come out of this weekend, but as usual a bunch of idiots has ruined it for the majority, now istead of raging against CCP i suggest you understand there are actual proper volunteer BH and testers who do have real work to get on with pre-dominion and therefore if people en-mass are going to break rules and stop that happening then CCP has a right as stated in the rules to shut access.

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Originally by: Blueaise

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its said that so many spoilt kids can't just grow up and act responsibly, and treat CCP and its employees with a bit more respect especially the ISD volunteers who do actually give up their game time to help improve Eve. Seriously guys, i would like to know whatever copyshop/dunkin/donuts/7-11 some of you work at and come and rage at you for your lack of service/whatever as much as you do on these forums and see how you enjoy it ffs.

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Originally by: Blueaise

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I'm sad about it, a lot of sisi regulars are very UH about it, as suggested elsewhere if anyone wants to start a name and shame list of sisi asshats for tranq punishment, lets get it on.

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Originally by: anslo

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Well let's not get out of the realm of the situation. While Sisi as a server does leave a bit to be desired, it wasn't originally made to handle 1000 people. A test server like that was only to hold the bare minimum. The one thing CCP has and always WILL have going for them are their servers.

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Originally by: anslo

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If I am correct, their server/super "omgwtfpwn" computer that holds all of Eve is one of the TOP in the world. It is, in every sense, a super computer, holding a whole universe together with 400k in persistent players. So while this event may have failed, it wasn't so much to do with the servers as it did with a failure of moderation.

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Originally by: Commander Ventura

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the test server is a windows 98 laptop with a cat 3 ethernet cable sat in a dark corner of the ccp office .....

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Originally by: Rebnok

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they should have just gave everyone like 10 m sp to put where you want, if that wouldnt be enough sp for you to be in a titan you have no reason to test one

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Originally by: splendidzje

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Originally by: Rebnok

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they should have just gave everyone like 10 m sp to put where you want, if that wouldnt be enough sp for you to be in a titan you have no reason to test one

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This. Awesome idea, seriously.

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Originally by: Serge Bastana

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I think the ability to move players isn't as easy as right click > move, they need to run some sort of script, so they'd need to add the trouble makers to some sort of list and then go through whatever script running process is required to move players.

Probably wouldn't be an instant thing, which is why they only do it at intervals when you are in the moveme channel.

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Originally by: GM

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I appologize for moving you into a station just now GM 2009.10.06

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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I would just move the trouble makes to the other side of the universe. Preferably in high sec so they couldn't use thier titans anymore :P

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Originally by: Krypton VI

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isn't that your duty to maintain a rule abiding adherence to the rules as opposed to rage quiting tactics?

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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I would just move the trouble makes to the other side of the universe. Preferably in high sec so they couldn't use thier titans anymore :P

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Originally by: Comodore John

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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I would just move the trouble makes to the other side of the universe. Preferably in high sec so they couldn't use thier titans anymore :P

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What if they only redeemed one or two of their titans? They could easily dock and redeem the rest and just sit by themselves.

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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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I would just move the trouble makes to the other side of the universe. Preferably in high sec so they couldn't use thier titans anymore :P

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Nah move them to a 10/10 Sleeper complex, and remove the fuel from their cargo bays.

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Originally by: Yakumo Smith

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Punishing the many for the transgressions of the few is not a good policy.

I managed to get a bit of testing done thankfully.

Booting off your core group of legit testers by lumping them into the "troublemaker" group by default is a poor show.

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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this could be easily alleviated by making Sisi useful as a test platform 365 days of the year instead of 2 days here and there.

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Originally by: Project CareBears

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Edited by: Project CareBears on 11/10/2009 16:14:05
so you close the sever for everybody instead of banning the players there eject 200 ships? wth is the point. some of us do it for testing stuff. please open again, i think the bad guys learned the lesion

oh well this is what i pay 30Ç for every month... plex cards here i come -.-

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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche

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well it was fun while it lasted.
Now we'll probably have to go though some kind of approval process to be able to get on the test server.

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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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this could be easily alleviated by making Sisi useful as a test platform 365 days of the year instead of 2 days here and there.

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SISI has been stated by CCP many many times to be a place to test, not to tryout. If people could just login to SISI, and fly Titans, TQ would be empty.

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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche

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The test server is for testing and that is it.

The benefit of allowing everyone access is that it gives you a larger sample set and raises your chances to find issues early.
But many of the 900+ people on were not testing. Yes, some were, and those people will still be interested in logging onto the server after CCP removes the all skills at lvl 5 silliness.
The rest of us will go back to TQ and play our game. The test server does not have the capacity to handle jita traffic in one system and there's no sense in them spending money on that kind of hardware for a test server. Further, CCP should not have to babysit the test server; especially on the weekend. This is their work, and some people like to be able to go home and do other things with their free time. For the most part, the system has worked well. Even if some people were logging in to play around, they generally didn't cause problems for the dedicated testers. During this event however, the entire system became more trouble than it was worth.

Shutting down Sisi was not an act of punishment, it was a solution to a problem.

Maybe CCP will open Sisi up to the public again in the future, but maybe they won't.
The reality is, this is more of a headache to CCP than it is to us because now they have to decide what they're going to do about the test server and if they're going to implement some policy to allow access and who's job will it be to handle that BS task.
For the players, it doesn't really change anything. We're not paying to test on Sisi, we're paying to play on TQ.

TL;DR
HTFU

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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Ban them.
+ temp-TQ bans

People ONLY do this because they know there are NO consequences. Give them some consequences, CCP. Rules are clearly stated on forums AND in test systems. No excuses. No sympathy. Bans.


P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug?

P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it.

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Originally by: CCP Fallout

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And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads

Originally by: Aoa Lux

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...P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it.

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Originally by: Rhohan

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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...P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it.

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Yep, that would solve many of the issues.
Just a Sisi ban is no real threat to most of these tards.

Note: Redeem system - Only give ships to those who have the skills to fly them, or maybe who could train the skills in less than 24 hrs.

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Originally by: Nikita Prime

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Hi i like to comment on the the test server this week end ,,, i aggree with most ppl who are regular player of it it was ruined byt idiots,, who for one didnt know what the hell they was doing as it was there first time on there ,, i been going on the test server since i joined eve about 2 years ago and for it to be ruined like that for one week end just shows

this week end should of only been for the regular player of it who know the rules and have been using the test server for what it was for testing the ships out like there ment to be

i manage to get on this week end for like 30mins i know some ppl didnt even get past number 104th on the que and it was a waste of my time ,,was a shame coz if it was like it norm is the test server is much fun as the TQ

would be good of ccp to let the old players of Sisi have a second go at it once they sorted it out so we can try it out and not some 2 day old noob ****ing about in a titan
thanks
NP ,, vet sisi tester

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Originally by: XICD7

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If they said the rest of the day does that mean it'll ocme back up at 00:00 or after DT?

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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Ban them.
+ temp-TQ bans

People ONLY do this because they know there are NO consequences. Give them some consequences, CCP. Rules are clearly stated on forums AND in test systems. No excuses. No sympathy. Bans.


P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug?

P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it.

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug?

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Originally by: Mioelnir

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug?

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Neither.

When the duration of Triage got halved to 5min, the fuel consumption got halved to 250 also. With an absolute -50 stront per level instead of a percentage reduction, this means Triage on 5 needs no fuel on Sisi.

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Originally by: TerrorSquadMF

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u know what would be a good idea? have the test server for finding bugs! ahh big surprize! and ahve a offline mode where people can have their all lvl 5 skills and capitol ships to blow up, problem solved, well not really cause some1 is going to say i'm an idoit.

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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke

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Originally by: Comodore John

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Can you allow those of us who are on the test server regularly to be on? Those of us on regularly are obviously not breaking rules (or we would've been banned already) and are providing feedback and not just fooling around.

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Sounds good, and I like the idea, of approved trusted members being given access for important testing, however how would you "vet" new members onto SISI? I am fairly new to SISI and the testing sessions, so I doubt i'd fit into your new system

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Originally by: Aoa Lux

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P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug?

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Originally by: Krypton VI

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isn't that your duty to maintain a rule abiding adherence to the rules as opposed to rage quiting tactics?

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Originally by: Seiver D'amross

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we do not pay for the test server, we pay for TQ. end of

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Seiver D'amross

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we do not pay for the test server, we pay for TQ. end of

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So, who pays the test server? Is it run by donations? Or do the Devs pay for it themselves, just for fun?
What about the building CCP works in? Electricity? ISP? All that stuff is paid by whom exactly, if not us?

We're paying for everything CCP does. Just because it isn't listed doesn't mean it's not paid. I doubt restaurants list the cost for washing the kitchen floor, yet you're still paying for it.

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Originally by: HeliosGal

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TQ is based in London i believe, SISI server is the old machines and some new ones that used to run TQ shipped em back to Iceland and ccp uses em now to test new code, new items and basically pre patch. Its run by the company paid for by the company for the company ( CCP) it is just wider scale testing using players to test new material. Its beta testing for paying accounts, its a privileged to use it and contribute

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Originally by: Seiver D'amross

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Originally by: HeliosGal

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TQ is based in London i believe, SISI server is the old machines and some new ones that used to run TQ shipped em back to Iceland and ccp uses em now to test new code, new items and basically pre patch. Its run by the company paid for by the company for the company ( CCP) it is just wider scale testing using players to test new material. Its beta testing for paying accounts, its a privileged to use it and contribute

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bingo, they let us use it. we have no right to demand it. Whiny people who cant see that need to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you.

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Originally by: Anslo

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You sir, are an idiot. :)
Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here.

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You sir, are an idiot. :)
Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here.

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Originally by: Anslo

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Please shut your self righteous subservient ass up. We pay for it, since you cannot access it without an ACTIVE TQ account. If that wasn't needed I'd be siding with you. But indirectly, as I've said, we are paying for it. Our subscription money pays for its power, its upkeep, its utilization, everything. So please shut the hell up without knowing how a business properly works. Also, trying to talk down to other people who thinking like me like their little children is just plane foolish. Kindly stop trying to play the "up holder of the good word" here.

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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I doubt restaurants list the cost for washing the kitchen floor, yet you're still paying for it.

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Originally by: Soi Mala

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Look at all these noobs crying because they can't get into ships that they'l never actually fly. ITS MAH RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING DAMMIT! I PAY YOU MONEY NOW I HAVE RIGHTS TO ALL YOUR COMPANY ASSETS!

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Originally by: Anslo

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I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again.
WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.

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Originally by: McFly

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Not that I'm taking sides here but one thing to point out with this metaphor is that when you go out to a restaurant would they let you cook up an omelete on their grill?

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Originally by: Soi Mala

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Look at all these noobs crying because they can't get into ships that they'l never actually fly.

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Originally by: Brixer

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When it comes to banning and stuff. It's an easy solution to that problem. Only allow players who have logged into sisi at least 2 times last month. That way you should think people logging on have heard about FFAs, rules and stuff.

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:13:48
Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 12/10/2009 17:12:27
In that case, I suggest next time there is an event like that, don't publicise it. Find out who went to the test server, and mail them.
Also, remove all threads on the forum that even mention it, so now one is able to know about it.

And of course DO NOT mention it in a dev blog. Don't tell people to look out for anouncements, if you dont't want people to come.

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Originally by: Anslo

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I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again.
WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.

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Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper

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EULA says we only get TQ access for our money

end of discussion

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Originally by: Herpes Sweatrash

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well I could not be bothered waiting in queue for all you hairdressers and your alts to log in so this is what you get for getting on before me

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Good News! The EULA is not legally binding.

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Originally by: Anslo

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I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again.
WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.

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Originally by: Anslo

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I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again.
WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.

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Originally by: smokeydapot

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P.S In future do not make it known on the forum that you are doing a test like this ( all lvl 5 skills etc ) just make it a welcome note on SISI that will keep the testers testing and those that do not report the bugs out.

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Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper

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Good News! The EULA is not legally binding.

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oh yes it is. you have to "sign" it by clicking accept before you get into the game. if you don't you can't play.

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper

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Good News! The EULA is not legally binding.

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oh yes it is. you have to "sign" it by clicking accept before you get into the game. if you don't you can't play.

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The only problem with that is that you usualy already paid even BEFORE knowing the terms of the contract(EULA). Not all countries define that as legal.

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Originally by: Anslo

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I don't know if people can't read or something but I'll be happy to state it again.
WITHOUT AN ACTIVE TQ ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT USE SISI, THUS YES, WE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND ENTITLED TO SOME KIND OF QUALITY ON IT.

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Originally by: Siosk Baas

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Originally by: axion laforge

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predictable tbh,,,
the same thing seems to happen everytime they allow max skills on sisi,not sure what the solution would be other than to charge for the experiance, say a plex for a "ticket"

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well they could simply go by character/account age, if your character isnt at least 2 years old you don't get on Singularity.

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Originally by: Firvain

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper

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Good News! The EULA is not legally binding.

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oh yes it is. you have to "sign" it by clicking accept before you get into the game. if you don't you can't play.

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The only problem with that is that you usualy already paid even BEFORE knowing the terms of the contract(EULA). Not all countries define that as legal.

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good news, download the trial and you can see the EULA befor paying :) Also for other games, return em? Just say you ddint agree to the EULA

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Originally by: EULA

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By clicking the "ACCEPT" button below, and confirming your acceptance by clicking the "CONFIRMED" button (or if you bypass or otherwise disable the "ACCEPT" and/or "CONFIRMED" buttons, and still install, copy, download, access or otherwise use the Software or the Game), you accept the terms and conditions in the EULA. If you do not accept the terms and conditions in the EULA, you must click the "DECLINE" button, discontinue use of the Software and not access the System or use EVE. If you are the original purchaser of a boxed version of the Software on CD-ROM, you should contact the retailer for a refund. CCP does not manufacture or distribute the box version of the Game and is not responsible for refunding any fees relating thereto.

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Originally by: Zeba

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This is why the rules should be changed to include a ban from tq if the offender is offensive enough.

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Originally by: Verone

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I'm glad CCP has taken it down and refused access, to be honest. Maybe the morons will learn from this when it opens back up.

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Singularity is a vital tool for testing and QA on new features and improvements

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Zeba

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This is why the rules should be changed to include a ban from tq if the offender is offensive enough.

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Honest question: Did they even ban? I thought it simply were too many offenders for the (few?) GMs who had the spare time to monitor Sisi.

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Originally by: Zeba

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Zeba

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This is why the rules should be changed to include a ban from tq if the offender is offensive enough.

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Honest question: Did they even ban? I thought it simply were too many offenders for the (few?) GMs who had the spare time to monitor Sisi.

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The ones they caught red handed did but as you said the rushing tidal swell of arsehats was too much to handle and they shut it down. Now the reason it got out of hand is that noone cares if they get banned from sisi so they just piled in and did as much damage as possible before getting kicked then went back to tq and bragged about it in corp chat or whatever place they go to brag. However if the bans include a tq ban then the opportunist griefers will stay away and only the board certified griefers like houndbite and fab24 will arse themselves to go emo on sisi and then get banned to the amusment of all.

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