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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.17 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: XXSketchxx on 17/10/2009 13:49:37
 Originally by: Dungheap
and then you suggest getting a blockade runner with a hac inside? judging from your loss, it's not the safest way to travel.. those are two expensive ships that take a lot of skills. the destination system has no station what then?
um...if destination has no station...where's the agent?
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yes we are talking about running mission in lo sec and many of those require you to travel to another system. as you said yourself:
Reject these or scout your way. I reject all mission in null sec that require me to leave the system (yes I know we're talking about low sec, but same problem arises there ). Luckily there's like 4 or 5 lvl 4 agents in the same system.
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"Obviously your lvl 4 mission raven isn't going to make it far past the chokepoints..."
ok so then what would you suggest ?
Blockade runner + hac in cargo. As I said.
As for my own losses (I believe a hulk and a prorator?). Hulk was when i was uber noob and thought it'd be a good idea to mine ice in a low sec system (I actually made some good isk before finally getting caught). The prorator? Those things are 99.9% invincible in low sec. Ask anyone. Gate camps can't catch them unless the pilot is asleep or afk. Make auto-warp bookmarks outside the station so you can't get caught by station camps. When I used to deliver boosters to low sec areas, I did exactly this before docking each time. It saved my ship more than a few times.
In my case? Auto-decloak after jumping through a gate - nephew aggro just caught me at a bad time. I came back just in time to warp the pod out. The dude that killed me actually convod me and was like...you knew at this? Shrug it off, no big deal. He actually sold me back my cargo (which was rather important to me) for under market price. I also got to watch him bring his mothership out to loot the wreck  .
So yeah, everything has its risks. If you are careful then and don't experience "doh" moments like the one I described above, you can have some fun with a bit of risk and make a tidy profit.
I can see I am not going to convince you. That's fine. Stay in high sec. But for those that are curious, you are on the right track. It is more than doable with proper preparation and care. And it is definitely worth it.
edit - another way you could do it (get a raven there)
Get the necessary minerals for a Raven. Get a BPC. Build the raven in your desired mission system.
And before you say "I don't have/can't fly a blockade runner." Okay...ask a friend. Hire someone. Be creative. The problem you are facing is that you aren't thinking sandbox enough. There are plenty of ways to get setup safely in a quiet low sec system.
You can do it!!!
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Dungheap
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.17 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Reject these or scout your way. I reject all mission in null sec that require me to leave the system (yes I know we're talking about low sec, but same problem arises there ). Luckily there's like 4 or 5 lvl 4 agents in the same system.
this was the point i was making. the travel is just too dangerous. it seems we're finally in agreement.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.17 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dungheap
Originally by: XXSketchxx
Reject these or scout your way. I reject all mission in null sec that require me to leave the system (yes I know we're talking about low sec, but same problem arises there ). Luckily there's like 4 or 5 lvl 4 agents in the same system.
this was the point i was making. the travel is just too dangerous. it seems we're finally in agreement.
potentially dangerous, yes.
But impossible, not really. If you really want to do that mission one jump away, you can just scout with an alt or a friend (don't even need a covert ops or anything, just a fast frig).
And believe it or not, deeper low sec rarely has camps. Its mainly at the high/low jumps and in the FW areas. Go see for yourself. Take a fast frig and go into the deeper parts of low sec. Its a barren wasteland.
However, even if you are worried about those missions that are outside your agent system, I have found that I have very few of these offers. In null sec I think I have gotten like 3 missions total in the few months I have been out there that told me to leave the system. When I missioned in low sec with my Empire faction toon, it was a bit more common, but nothing that deterred me from continuing on.
If you still think its too dangerous, by all means don't bother. It really is up to the player to determine if its worth risking their stuff. All I am trying to say is that it is more than doable and profitable if the proper precautions are taken.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.10.17 18:08:00 -
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I've done low sec mission running relatively recently and under the current game mechanics I think it's a complete waste of time unless you want to run missions in completely deserted low sec (which is generally so far from other activities that you'll want to partake in that it's a major inconvenience.)
It is absolutely trivial for anyone to shut you down. Really, all they have to do is drop combat probes and you're done (having low sec status and warping into system can work too). They don't even have to hit the scan button. You just have to assume that they will and that they have friends ready to jump in when they find you or you'll die. That means you spend far too much of your time in station or cloaked. That's time you don't spend doing anything productive. And it is really, really boring. I'm talking going and doing the washing up is more interesting than playing Eve boring.
The mechanics for telling if someone has dropped probes are absolutely horrendous. No overview settings for probes? Have fun scanning for probes in a system with a dozen death star POS in it. Carpal tunnel from clicking scan every few seconds? Who thought this was fun? Dropping probes outside scan range after using the cloaked dir scanner to nearly locate someone...
I help run a large low sec pos and ran the cargo for months practically single handed, I've done quite a bit of low sec exploration, spent a bunch of time doing wormholes. Low sec missioning is more dangerous that any of those (with the possible exception of a long low sec combat site that pirates figure out that you're trying to complete.)
The rewards are off a little, but really the big problem is with how easy it is for people to locate you and how hard it is for you to tell that they're trying.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.17 18:17:00 -
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Just a small tidbit about getting probed out in missions:
With the introduction of T3 cruisers, you can actually make a tengu/proteus that is unprobable and capable of doing lvl 4 missions. Is it expensive? Yep. Is it risky? Yep. Is it worth it? Matter of opinion, but I would say so.
To the above poster: I do agree that the directional scanner needs some work. We should either be able to have probes on overview settings or be able to filter POS crap out of the D-scanner. You have a lot of other good points about the downfalls of low sec and risks involved so I won't contest them.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.10.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
With the introduction of T3 cruisers, you can actually make a tengu/proteus that is unprobable and capable of doing lvl 4 missions. Is it expensive? Yep. Is it risky? Yep. Is it worth it? Matter of opinion, but I would say so.
Out of curiosity (genuine, I don't fly T3) how fast is that tengu/proteus at clearing the missions compared to, say, an ishtar, a dominix or a marauder?
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.17 19:32:00 -
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Unprobable Tengu can hit 790 DPS with kinetic damage
988 DPS if you go with HAMs
Using T2 missiles means you have to get HG implants to be 100% unprobable though. If you stick with LG ones someone with Virtue implants can catch you
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.10.17 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: Reachok
The point is it's not worth the extra hassle of watching your back every second in low sec to do lvl 4's.
That's your opinion. I would beg to differ.
Seriously, surviving in low sec is a no-brainer.
No bubbles = easy mode survival.
You seem to have confused travel with actually doing something.
Also the people talking about how they run low sec missions appearently dont care about profit per time. Either they run the risk of losing their ships or they have sub optimal builds that earn money slower.
Or they fly a Tengue. If flying a special built t3 cruiser is your evidense that low sec missions are viable then your opinion is worthless.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.17 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Or they fly a Tengue. If flying a special built t3 cruiser is your evidense that low sec missions are viable then your opinion is worthless.
Oh look, you can make a non constructive post.
Congrats.
(I can too).
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Horizon
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Posted - 2009.10.18 01:34:00 -
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I did my first level 4 mission in Yahyerer. I continued to mission there for about 6 months before I finally lost my mission running T1 fit typhoon. I lost it to mission rats. This was back when probing was quite difficult, and only a few veterans really had the art down.
Living there was actually really easy - you just had to get friendly with the locals, join their intel channel and pay attention.
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Babel
Boom and Bust Economics Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.18 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Just a small tidbit about getting probed out in missions:
With the introduction of T3 cruisers, you can actually make a tengu/proteus that is unprobable and capable of doing lvl 4 missions.
Or a Loki ... in fact, Loki has extra win-factor as is the only race [I think] that has a sig-radius-reducing subsystem.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.10.18 02:21:00 -
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I ran low sec missions six days into the game. Never had an issue, thee again was doing L2's in a Cat in a backwater named Parts. It's not so quiet these days.
Mined in Low sec in the same area. Good isk for my pilot's age but, by the time she could mine in a Domi it was not worth it. There were too many pirates that would swing by to see if they could catch you. They never did unless I stepped away from the keyboard at the wrong moment. Even then only lost 3 vexors. No one ever even locked the Domi. with interruptions the ISK earn worked out to less then what I could make mining in high sec.
Did lots of L3 missions in 0.0 and also was never bothered. The locals would chase me but could never catch me. the WCS nurf + recent scanning changes would make that situation today untenable.
Did an exploration site this week. It was the best I could get in my 0.0 space. Oddly enough it ended in a .8 system. Clearing it was a cakewalk and we had it done in about 30 minutes.
Did the same site last week in 0.0 was a 4 hour trial do to the constant traffic. you had to warp out fast so they could not get a hit on one of the ships and then would be able to snag the site from us. We finally had enough time to clear it but, were unable to kill the outpost with the loot do to a bug it has with drone DPS.
risk + loss + hassle needs to be < reward for low/0.0 PvE to be worth it. Often it is not. Hence the popularity of the L4 mission route.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.10.18 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: Ghoest
Or they fly a Tengue. If flying a special built t3 cruiser is your evidense that low sec missions are viable then your opinion is worthless.
Oh look, you can make a non constructive post.
Congrats.
(I can too).
You have confused me making mockery of your point with me making a useless post. Well unless you consider your opinion to have already been useless - in which case you have finnally managed to be correct.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Octa Butler
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Posted - 2009.10.18 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Then don't get killed.
Its really not that hard.
Actually it is. I solo most of my missions, and I want to do it that way. So I stay aligned as much as I can, I watch my scanner and I usually get away. The problem is one mistake costs me 60m or so(assuming I'm not podded) And no one is 100% perfect, everyone makes mistakes, and odds are bad that my mistakes will be infrequent enough to make money.
So I can guarantee that if CCP makes higher quality level 4 agents to low sec or just position missions from level 4 agents to low sec, I won't play after that. Why? Because I will be unable to make isk, and without isk there is no PLEX, and without plex there is no play.
So please leave this the way it is now.
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.18 09:18:00 -
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I'm all for leaving Level 4's in high sec. That way my mission running low sec alt can continue to cherry pick 10k LP + increased bonus missions without the dingy masses disrupting my operations.
Seriously, you guys treat low sec like you will be instapopped. Make instas and safesapots. Use scouts. Sell your pimp faction stuff (Use a cheap BS with T2 fit, the replacement cost if you get caught isn't that much, maybe a mission or two difference with insurance). The scanner is your friend; if you can't use it by the time you are doing level 4's you suck worse than me and I'm terrible at this game.
Just leave high sec once and a while fer chrissakes. There is riches to be had in low sec, you peeps just aren't looking very hard for it.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.10.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lunewraith
Just leave high sec once and a while fer chrissakes. There is riches to be had in low sec, you peeps just aren't looking very hard for it.
Point made was that when you already levae hi sec it's better to go for 0.0 L4 missions than for low sec ones. L5 ones are in low sec, but you can fish them for the ones that offer you mission in hi sec if system is next to hi sec area.
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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.10.18 12:23:00 -
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Thing is, while you might get more LP and mission reward, that is only a part of the total mission reward. For me, the larger chunk is bounties and salvage. And with a pimped Marauder in highsec, I thus make more total isk/hour than with a cheap fit BS in lowsec because I kill the NPCs faster and make nice wreckballs.
That aside, I prefer to relax when running mission. I get enough looking over my back constantly when PVPing, definitely do not need that also when missioning.
Though that silly pvp fit/not pvp fit argument is not really valid. Wouldn't make a difference if you were pvp fit and caught in a mission. People scanning you out will just bring overwhelming force anyway most of the time.
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.18 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
You have confused me making mockery of your point with me making a useless post.
One in the same chief. Thanks for playing though.
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Nishachara
Minmatar
Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:12:00 -
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Hello everybody...
I am not a mission runner, dont have even stand for good lv4 agents, and i am not a pvp-er either..
I am both, what you can call wh dweller...I am living in wh from when i was 3months old(so its about 4 months,i think).I learned to be careful, watch dir, scan people with combat probes fast and kill them..etc
...in less words...living in dangerous and unpredictable parts of space...
Anyway..i was reading this topic and i find discussion quite interesting...And it move me to think to try missions in low sec...
But...there is one problem...i think i dont know how "not to get killed in low sec", i mean i think this skills are not enough and also how can i fight when i have to warp literally every half a minute to safe spot...
I mean i know dir cehcking for probes,guy in local/right click/show info/copy..bc-paste/see killboard/check ex corps/ask someone what he ate this morning...etc
But not getting killed is one thing, and teh other is doing something and not getting killed...
Once I was ratting and killing cosmic anomalies in low sec(in my cyclone)...and boy that was stupid..if i am not the only one in local..i am on the safe(anomalies and belts are not hard to scan so someone doesnt have to bother scanning me)..it was impossible doing anything...i start killing and then someone comes into the system..warp to ss..wait.. etc..
so there came my friend in pilgrim and i give up on ratting and we started baiting...(which also lasted two hours until someone attacked me finally so we could kill him)
So from my perspective yes its possible to avoid getting killed and so..but its impossible to do anything that way..ok maybe(you tell me)i am too paranoid(or i am living to much in wh), but to me if anyone is in local he is a threat, and if it is obvious that he is not, he is a target(so no mission for me until i eliminate him)...
So...can someone say..how exactly does he/she do missions in that kind of a environment?
..and one more thing if i would go doing missions in Ls I would go solo in most cases...
Btw..sorry for the long post, but i wanted to give the best picture of my perspective on this..
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Lunewraith
Just leave high sec once and a while fer chrissakes. There is riches to be had in low sec, you peeps just aren't looking very hard for it.
Point made was that when you already levae hi sec it's better to go for 0.0 L4 missions than for low sec ones. L5 ones are in low sec, but you can fish them for the ones that offer you mission in hi sec if system is next to hi sec area.
I see your point, the problem I see though is if you are a solo player, 0.0 is going to be a rougher haul for you than low sec. Drag bubbles, choakpoints and higher propensity for people to clump together in NPC-controlled areas (and mission hubs) does make it considerably more dangerous to fly in. Most of my original point stands (use your noodle, make safes/instas, etc.) in that you can mission there, but you will eventually lose ships where in low sec you can go several weeks to months without getting killed.
Similarly, as people tend to solo when mission running, Level V's will be a bit out of reach for the average missionrunner. Sure, they can be dual boxed, (or run in Cap ships,etc.) but this is not as viable for a 10-30 mil SP range player. The rewards are indeed far better and can be run in high sec, but solo, Level 4's still are the bread and butter for most people.
To comments regarding mission running time in T2 Battleships/faction ships, well yes, you can run missions faster and complete in an efficient manner, inc looting/salvaging. But you run a limited set of missions provided by your agent. What I mean by this is that you generally run missions for a limited selection of agents in a mission hub, usually no more than one or two. This means you will have to accept a few crap missions amongst the higher- paying LP and bounty missions. For every AE you get, you may get a few drone missions, or a Massive Attack, etc. which slows your income generation.
In low sec, you find several hubs with 5+ L4Q20 agents you can pick and choose from. You select the missions that are lucrative and turn down the low-paying missions. From here, you can either complete them, or string together several lucrative missions to farm following downtime.
Speaking for myself, I have made far more ISK by moving my carebear activities to low sec than staying in 0.5 and up.
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kyrieee
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.10.18 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nishachara
but to me if anyone is in local he is a threat, and if it is obvious that he is not, he is a target(so no mission for me until i eliminate him)...
I like your attitude
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Kraila
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Posted - 2009.10.18 14:41:00 -
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When I mission ran alot in my past, low sec missions were all I did. I ran them in a faction fitted Caldari Navy Raven, just to up the ante a bit.
It's honestly not that much worse than high sec mission running if you aren't stupid about it. Always be using your scanner during a mission, filter down the range to something close by (say 1-5 million KM) - if anything pops up, get out. In addition, this should be done with the use overview settings check box turned off, so you can see probes (of course range needs to be extended to see those. If probes are on your scanner, that also means it's time to go.
I have never been shot down yet while running missions in low sec. The added reward of extra LP is very marginal, but I found running high sec missions was deathly boring and too crowded, so I moved to low sec for a 'better quality of environment' reason per say :P
Also this character is not the one that I use for missions, don't bother locating me ^_^
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Klauz Lycan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.18 17:20:00 -
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i think this is the downside of the pvp system where you lose your entire ship. people are afraid of that. so they stay in highsec and 0.0 is very less crowed. and as someone above said. if i want to do missions, i dont wanna get jumped because i would lose it all.
sadly this makes mission running pretty boring. but even me who doesnt care much of losing a ship thinks twice about moving into lowsec for mission. and i guess a noob who worked for his vexor some days doesnt even think about it.
in a game like fE WoW ppl arnt so afraid and its pretty funny doing missions and getting jumped. anyway even there its hard to find random/world pvp because ppl are afraid of dying.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lunewraith
Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Lunewraith
Just leave high sec once and a while fer chrissakes. There is riches to be had in low sec, you peeps just aren't looking very hard for it.
Point made was that when you already levae hi sec it's better to go for 0.0 L4 missions than for low sec ones. L5 ones are in low sec, but you can fish them for the ones that offer you mission in hi sec if system is next to hi sec area.
I see your point, the problem I see though is if you are a solo player, 0.0 is going to be a rougher haul for you than low sec.
It depends on the corp / alliance you are in. I mean it's hard also in low sec if you are really solo and not part of some local group and even harder in 0.0. But even if you have only one account (and many people do) it's realtively simple life in 0.0 in corporation that is not composed entirely of noobs. Does not need to be some 100 man entity, there is plenty of 15-25 man ones around there that can provide their members with carrier jumps for ship and equipment and are even able to provide you with consumables (ammo, cap charges) by having some guy onboard who likes industrial side of game.
For truly solo work if you are unwilling to join player corporation or to start one with handful of friends I think hi sec would be most reasonable solution.
It's not that hard to get approx 20 man corp into some missionrunning alliance in NPC region in 0.0 somewhere if you talk like normal guy and/or have a bit history behind you already. Those alliances are usually also pretty sensible in terms of participation demands compared to 'territorial' ones - yeh well you would be supposed to join up as soon as reds enter local and make em die plus occasional POS siege with the other local carebears if some reds are trying to set up POS in your missionrunning system but it's safer that way than in low sec with all those neutrals running around and probes everywhere.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:55:00 -
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It is only natural that people do not want to take unnecessary risks, especially in routine endeavors. It is not about cowardice but baseline animal sanity.
Even if you manage to warp out, once your mission is scanned down it is unsafe to continue and it is even possible for intruder to make you fail the mission. Plus it is very bothersome and lame game mechanics to click scan repeatedly and it hardly works any more and also scanner may save my ship but it won't save my mision.
The issue is not really in the rewards. I recently did the two Caldari lowsec COSMOS mission chains which do not give you much but they are short enough that the risk of someone engaging you is reasonable even in quite dangerous system and even if he finds you you may be able to finish the mission as you ship bursts into flames. That and in system station and next door highsec make escape easy. I lost Drake to carrier (and low DPS Deimos) there before but this time I just got glanced twice on gates. If lowsec L4s were this short I migh give them a try again; I was taking lowsec ones before and albeit I have not lost my ship or failed one, scanner spam is lame and risk is insane (and Pest really does not make for good misison experience compared to Nightmare).
TLDR: make lowsec L4s short
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Lao Xin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:18:00 -
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So far no one has mentioned courier missions in lowsec. I just wanted to point out that they can be very profitable, depending on the traffic of the constellations (since you can trade materials back and forth through different systems), and are fairly safe if you are using something like a probe or other high cargo frigate, or for high risk areas a cov ops or blockade runner.
My experience is from level 1/2 missions, but 3/4 courier missions require industrials, however in many areas you aren't at a great risk even with a standard industrial. The key is finding obscure systems and areas which takes some research. From what I've discovered, many corps in lowsec that offer distribution, production or storage missions are often in constellations that don't have much combat agents, so the traffic is low.
There is an increased danger of station camps, since you are using them more often, and you're essentially defenseless in haulers, but you also aren't stationary and moving from system to system.
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.18 20:42:00 -
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Lived in low-sec for 3-4 moths, cause my PC couldn't handle the 0.0 fast paced action (HAC roaming with lag=bad. fleet battles even more). I used to run lvl3 missions (boring as hell) but no one bothered me. Local pirates were friendly and reds in the system just ignored me. I used to watch Rorquals and Carriers undock from the station I lived in, I had no problems at all with them. (And it was too far away from our cap base to hotdrop em...  ). lost a hauler in a courier mission that had me go 7 jumps away(at the last jump nevertheless, and it was to a Broadsword, so WCS did squat).
Anyway, if you want to run missions in low sec, get to know the locals. If you are just a carebear with no PvP under your belt, you'll get no respect and you will lose the ship you jumped in low-sec with. Low-sec missioning is for those tough enough to occupy the lawless systems, not for a solo, NPC corp carebear to try to earn more isk. In the end, it boils down to this: If you want to farm a system's agents, get in a corp with buddies, evict all others, be the kings on the hill and kill the other bustards that wanna take your cookies.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 09:14:00 -
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I missioned in lowsec for about a year, never lost anything that wasn't to the rats. I'm a lazy ass bum these days and mission in high sec, but my old spot is still pretty clean.... that is to say, except for me.  
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DelvingX
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Posted - 2009.10.19 09:29:00 -
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I think what a lot of people are forgetting in this never-ending debate is that the so call carebears (of which I am one) disproportionately weigh risk (and not reward) and that there is likely no tenable (in a balance sense) reward that low sec could offer that will ever bring people there.
So the answer is to reduce the risk. First make scanning down missions harder. Second make camping gates harder. Third make travel in all forms easier my adding more routes and options.
Some idea I always liked was some kind of deployable (and expendable, yay isk or mineral sink) item that caused scanning your current grid significantly harder (if not impossible).
With the current setup the risk for missioners is incrediably high, while the risk for pirates is almost 0, and its easier than cake to scan down just about anything. All the people who complain that they need to bring people into low sec just want more targets and are too lame to admit it. Make it somewhat safer (but still not high sec) with the current rewards and maybe more will come.
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Tanja Cyprus
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Posted - 2009.10.19 10:53:00 -
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Missionrunning in Low sec is plain stupid due to the PvP environment Low sec provides. Missionrunning is 100% pure PvE, designed for that and people do it to get money (most of them for PvP). PvP has no place there and all pirates who cry about it are the worst carebears of all.
What Low sec really needs is a game Mechanic that allows you to earn money BY PVPING.
Something like NPCs that require PvP fits and give certain rewards to the Pirate if he can hold it for X time. Ofc any other pirate can jump in and try to get your prey too. Something like a slaveden or brothel that you conquer and it works for you. While you have it, you get X Isk/hour, but it's broadcasted over several systems. Other people will come and take it away from you. Kind of like faction Warfare only for Pirates and everyone vs. everyone. You can also restrict numbers and types of ships a bit to make things more fun and even out the odds a bit. If you do that you will get a flood of people to low sec and pirates finally get something to do. Even if noone comes, they can fight each other (and be forced to do so).
It has to be balanced out in a way that the earnings pretty much resemble the losses or surpass them a little bit. Why? Because if there is a net loss, noone will do it, it's what you see right now. Some Pirates might make money off PvP, but the whole crowd of Pirates and ... lets call them victims, makes a net loss.
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