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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2009.10.24 06:13:00 -
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I traded my Chimera for a Drake, and got the better end of the deal. As per Merin's post, comparable tank, smaller sig, more DPS (Lazers are tough to beat), and so many perks. Who can say no?
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.10.24 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
good trolling or really fail if you serious.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:22:00 -
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This topic is doomed to attract hollow trolling.
MMOs are full of losers who use OP stuff and still fail at game. No other ship is so centric to them as the Drake.
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Juliet Stross
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:40:00 -
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I need to object.
A Drake, at best, can achieve a 600-700DPS tank. It sacrifices it's battlecruiser size for this tank, and to have it that Drake must be the size of a Carrier in sig radius.
Anyone, including a Dreadnaught in siege, can hit a Drake with full DPS. I've seen Drakes fitted for tank literally MELT in front of a well-fit PVP Battleship.
Learn about PVP before you post something this ridiculous.
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Ellzella
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:07:00 -
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All battlecruisers should only have 2 or maybe even 1 rig slot - fixed.
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Susy Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:39:00 -
[96]
Linkage
Has relevance, honest
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Kelso Hyde
Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:40:00 -
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Drake isn't overpowered in my opinion, it does have a solid tank, but so do most ships if you fit them properly, solo BS can kill a drake its just the time it takes with the heavy tank on the Drake, and unless your missile skills are good the dps sucks with drakes, But if you nerf it, It wouldn't solve problems because people will take a new Battle Cruiser and say its overpowered, its finding an even match / balance between them all
^^ - lol at the paragraph about the Drake ha
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Francin Ikis
Gallente Tech 3 enterprise
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:30:00 -
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So what to use against Drake in 1-1 battle?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:03:00 -
[99]
Cyclone or Myrmidon.
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0n 1
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:14:00 -
[100]
A Drake killed my mum.
True story.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Francin Ikis So what to use against Drake in 1-1 battle?
Derailing the thread into seriousness for a moment... Harbinger, IMHO.
Assuming the Drake doesn't have an EM hardener fit (a valid assumption, 2x Invuln + DC + resist bonus gives you pretty sturdy resists even on EM), it actually has less EHP against Scorch's damage profile than it does against Navy Multifrequency's. While this difference isn't enough to make Scorch more damaging it does bring them closer in line. Also, Scorch Harbinger has a longer range than a HAM drake which means you're forcing the drake to waste ten seconds switching to the lower damage Javelin ammo. If you were really clever you might even be able to force him to waste another 10 seconds by dropping down to say 17km range instead of 22, and then moving back out of range again.
I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.24 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
I'll give it a go on Sisi next time I have a chance, would be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.10.24 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
[Drake, Way too overpowered!] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
241 dps per battleship, Drake tanks 2445 dps, or more than 10 battleships. To break the god tank on the Drake, the 11 battleships will have to shoot it until the overloaded hardeners burn out, then finally they will be able to slowly break its tank, assuming they have a few haulers supporting them with extra ammo. But eventually, the Drake will die.
Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.10.24 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 24/10/2009 19:22:18 I even made a video of me pwning a mega with my Drake. Its just that awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 24/10/2009 20:42:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
You wouldn't fit your Avatar class titan with T2 crap either, would you?
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.24 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 24/10/2009 23:34:06
Originally by: EFT Worrier
Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake?
Sounds balanced... not.
Didn't you notice the many part?
Plus an Armageddon that would eat many drakes doesn't actually cost that much more than a drake.
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Dr Clamidia
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:40:00 -
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its worse in provi area.
Your ganking a little harbinger ratting, then suddenly ur spy in the channel says theres 15 people saying "omw".
Then 8 passive tanked drakes full of SPR and perma boosting ravens with no dmg mods land on ur belt and try to save the day......
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 25/10/2009 03:52:58 Recommended fit if you are fighting a Drake 1v1
Drake will probably still win, but you just might have a chance if you overload your weapons.
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Cunane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:55:00 -
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Only reason a drake lasts so long is because everyone is shooting the hurricane and brutix in the same fleet and leaving the drake for last :p
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:57:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
I'll give it a go on Sisi next time I have a chance, would be interesting to see how it pans out.
You two need to be flogged for derailing a perfectly good troll thread.
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Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:25:00 -
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It also has eight high slots, so it's a great mining ship. Is there anything Drakes can't do?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Cyclone or Myrmidon.
I'd put more money on a Harb, but I'll grant HG Crystals+Blue Pill can make an active tanked Cyclone competitive in a 1v1. HG Slave + Strong Exile for the Myrm is also good, but I've never had any trouble waxing any Myrm I find in with a Drake.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:21:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Colonel Xaven Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 24/10/2009 20:42:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
You wouldn't fit your Avatar class titan with T2 crap either, would you?
Sure I would:
[Avatar, PWN!] Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Jump Portal Generator I Clone Vat Bay I
Semiconductor Memory Cell II Semiconductor Memory Cell II Semiconductor Memory Cell I
And yet more proof the Drake is overpowered! Not only can a single Drake break the tank on an Avatar, but the Avatar's poor tracking means it can't even hit the Drake in return. If your Avatar gets tackled by a Drake, all you can do is set your self destruct and get it over with a bit faster. -----------
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.25 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Gypsio III Cyclone or Myrmidon.
I'd put more money on a Harb, but I'll grant HG Crystals+Blue Pill can make an active tanked Cyclone competitive in a 1v1. HG Slave + Strong Exile for the Myrm is also good, but I've never had any trouble waxing any Myrm I find in with a Drake.
-Liang
Likewise, but, equally, most of the Drakes that I meet are crap fits also. It was a worrying day when I first met a HAM Drake fit just like mine.
The Harbinger's problem here is that it's a simple EHP vs. DPS race. With Slaves etc, I think the Harbinger has the mathematical advantage, but I suspect that a bit of manual piloting to keep outside MF range and the shield recharge could swing things the Drake's way. The ECM drones might be a bad idea - they're getting primaried and will be dead in about 30 seconds, although that can be extended with fancy deploys/recalls, whereas I'd ignore DPS drones and let them add their DPS the entire fight.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2009.10.25 13:27:00 -
[116]
Lolbis > Drake
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Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.25 17:04:00 -
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Your hideously exaggerating.
The drake is pretty powerful but I don't think it needs a nerf. But the other battlecruisers need a buff to match the drake. The myrm in particular is pale shade compared to the drake.
It only gets the dps of a HAM drake when having far less tank and when fit for tank the drake will out dps it.
Kazang
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.25 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cunane Only reason a drake lasts so long is because everyone is shooting the hurricane and brutix in the same fleet and leaving the drake for last :p
Yay for reputation tanking. Everyone sees drake, thinks it's a useless brick with lots of ehps, and in turn, shoots something else.
So clearly, ewar gank Drakes are the way to go!
Originally by: Pax Empyrean It also has eight high slots, so it's a great mining ship. Is there anything Drakes can't do?
Highslots, no turret hardpoints. Nice try though. It -does- have a mining drone bay though.
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:53:00 -
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Personally I am of the opinion that if someone is right or at least honestly believes what he says, he isn't trolling (of course one can be wrong about judging what another 'truly believes')
So, calling OP a troll is technically wrong and may be in itself trolling.
BCs are "cruiser superiority" ships. They're meant to kill cruisers. Like destroyers are meant to kill frigates, while themselves still remaining mostly a frigate. Under normal circumstances, any BC will destroy any cruiser any day, even a HAC. Similiar to how T1 destroyers are realistically more than capable of blowing up T2 AFs and inties.
This class superiority is offset by the fact that BCs have virtually no direct advantage vs battleships, they lack the speed and sig radius regular cruisers get, and the firepower and range of a BS. BCs should and usually do pop really quickly vs a battleships firepower. That they don't - or rather, that the drake doesn't, means the drake in particular is broken, because BS pop other BCs just fine.
The reason for the brokenness of the drake is likely to be the passive shield regen rate as previously discussed - while this regen rate is common to all BCs, this only takes the form of horrible OPness on the drake, due to the multiplicative effects with the drake's slot allocation and shield resistance ability.
Even with a distinctively increased shield recharge time to bring in line with battleships (2000+s) the drake could tank PVE just fine, but would stop consistently tanking battleships in situations where every other BC just goes poof.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.25 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/10/2009 21:11:15 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/10/2009 21:10:34
Originally by: Dabljuh Personally I am of the opinion that if someone is right or at least honestly believes what he says, he isn't trolling (of course one can be wrong about judging what another 'truly believes')
So, calling OP a troll is technically wrong and may be in itself trolling.
BCs are "cruiser superiority" ships. They're meant to kill cruisers. Like destroyers are meant to kill frigates, while themselves still remaining mostly a frigate. Under normal circumstances, any BC will destroy any cruiser any day, even a HAC. Similiar to how T1 destroyers are realistically more than capable of blowing up T2 AFs and inties.
This class superiority is offset by the fact that BCs have virtually no direct advantage vs battleships, they lack the speed and sig radius regular cruisers get, and the firepower and range of a BS. BCs should and usually do pop really quickly vs a battleships firepower. That they don't - or rather, that the drake doesn't, means the drake in particular is broken, because BS pop other BCs just fine.
The reason for the brokenness of the drake is likely to be the passive shield regen rate as previously discussed - while this regen rate is common to all BCs, this only takes the form of horrible OPness on the drake, due to the multiplicative effects with the drake's slot allocation and shield resistance ability.
Even with a distinctively increased shield recharge time to bring in line with battleships (2000+s) the drake could tank PVE just fine, but would stop consistently tanking battleships in situations where every other BC just goes poof.
It is a troll thread from a small chimp. It was quite funny too, until you srs biznis people came in with arguments and crap.
Anyway, Drakes don't really tank BS. Maybe, just maybe it would in a brick fit without anything but recharge mods and stuff. Although such a Drake is incredibly, mind-bogglingly useless, so I don't find anything problematic with it.
What Drakes do in a PVP fit is have very very high EHP for a BC, offset by somewhat smaller DPS output then other BCs. They are, in short, superior when it comes to pure buffer BC slugfests vs other BCs. They're not going to take on a PVP fit BS however.
Does that mean it's overpowered in relation to other BCs? I'd say no.
For solo, the greater pure DPS output of the Hurricane (and the Harbinger) combined with its selection of damage types, however, make it a very viable contender even if it cannot win the 1v1 fight without a very expensive implant set (and pretty close even then tbh).
So, no, the Drake is not overpowered. Being best at something doesn't make it overpowered, and having the best EHP/DPS balance doesn't make it overpowered. If it was best at everything, then you'd have a point.
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