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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:30:00 -
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Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
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Reffo Ecniv
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
What about the Nighthawk and Tengu? They must need 20 and 30 Battleships to kill them, respectively.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:43:00 -
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yes but every noob has a drake
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:46:00 -
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How many ships does this Drake of yours have the DPS to kill?
I'm going to go find big chimp and tell him to slap you around for making such a ******ed post.
Ignore Me - I'm a Terrible Pilot :)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000633Impo |
small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:49:00 -
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But lets say that people usually panic when they see a curse on scan. But even a 10 man gang will panic and flee when they see a single drake!
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foobarx
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:50:00 -
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Wow! Battleships must have really been nerfed when I wasn't looking. I remember single battleships handling a drake back before it was nerfed to where it is today.
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Phantom Assault
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:58:00 -
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What kind of 10 man fail fleets do you roll with? You need to fly with more competent pilots.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
[Drake, Way too overpowered!] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
Now consider the following typical battleship setup:
[Scorpion, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L
Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router II Projectile Ambit Extension I
Acolyte I x5
241 dps per battleship, Drake tanks 2445 dps, or more than 10 battleships.
To break the god tank on the Drake, the 11 battleships will have to shoot it until the overloaded hardeners burn out, then finally they will be able to slowly break its tank, assuming they have a few haulers supporting them with extra ammo. But eventually, the Drake will die. -----------
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:04:00 -
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I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
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Athena Silk
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Assault What kind of 10 man fail fleets do you roll with? You need to fly with more competent pilots.
This. I've taken down drakes in 10-man frigate fleets, so if OP can't take one with 10 BSs, he needs to find better fleet members.
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Gram Hellfire
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
[Drake, Way too overpowered!] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
Now consider the following typical battleship setup:
[Scorpion, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L
Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router II Projectile Ambit Extension I
Acolyte I x5
241 dps per battleship, Drake tanks 2445 dps, or more than 10 battleships.
To break the god tank on the Drake, the 11 battleships will have to shoot it until the overloaded hardeners burn out, then finally they will be able to slowly break its tank, assuming they have a few haulers supporting them with extra ammo. But eventually, the Drake will die.
serious problem here - you should not count the drone DPS there! drone control range is short enough for you to stay within the drake's epic DPS range - thats why you sniper fit them.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous How many ships does this Drake of yours have the DPS to kill?
I'm going to go find big chimp and tell him to slap you around for making such a ******ed post.
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hellsknights
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
Well then your a ****** for staying visible when local spiked!!
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
Originally by: small chimp I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
Well then your a ****** for staying visible when local spiked!!
Don't you know that you can't cloak when a Drake has a lock on you? And you sure as hell can't warp out since in the 10 minutes it was tanking, it probably anchored a large bubble or ten around itself to hold you in position.
(Yet another reason the Drake is WTFOP and needs to be nerfed.) -----------
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:55:00 -
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All the Drake needs is LAZORZ and we'd never need another ship! *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Lidirt
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp But lets say that people usually panic when they see a curse on scan. But even a 10 man gang will panic and flee when they see a single drake!
Have you ever flown a Drake in PVP? They're not that tough. Not by a longshot.
Corpie and myself killed one with a stealth bomber and a Recon just the other day. Granted, this one was an active booster fit which is pretty dumb for a Drake... But he had more than enough chance to kill one Hound and one Recon before we smoked him.
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 03:34:00 -
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@OP
You're bad.
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
Lol. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you guys have to have been doing something horribly wrong.
Drakes fall to small gangs all the friggin time man...
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
Waaaah? You guys must have the most horrible fits one could imagine.
2 hacs should have dealt with that drake alone, if its a 2 month old player even a single one tbh.
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Lidirt
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Daquaris
Originally by: small chimp I fly t2 cruiser fleet! usually with many hacs,curse,ecm support and at least two logistics and interceptor support also!
We managed to catch a ratting drake belonging to 2 month old newbie but we just couldn't break its tank in about ten minutes and then 60 man cva blob arrived and killed all of us!
Lol. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you guys have to have been doing something horribly wrong.
Drakes fall to small gangs all the friggin time man...
yeah huge fleets of two can take down a drake.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:52:00 -
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Because of Drake.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 23/10/2009 04:53:13
Originally by: Artemis Rose All the Drake needs is LAZORZ and we'd never need another ship!
If the drake hull had 7 lasers instead of launchers and it had a turret damage bonus instead of the missile bonus, I don't think I'd ever fly another ship.
7x HPL mwd, cap booster, 24km, LSE, 2x invuln 3x HS, DC extender rigs 5 lights
awww yeah battlecruiser phantasm
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Gnapper
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Posted - 2009.10.23 04:55:00 -
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10/10, based on the quantity of serious replies.
Great job OP
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.10.23 05:35:00 -
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I'd never play another game again if I could have a decent passive shield laser boat.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.10.23 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian I'd never play another game again if I could have a decent passive shield laser boat.
Well, for all practical purposes the revelation is passive.
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Zeromentor
Private Renegade Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 05:55:00 -
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Killed Drakes before, this character has a Drake kill somewhere near the top, Me (Enyo) with a Miner in a Vexor (T1 drones, poor gunnery skills) versus a Drake (idiot, lacking the brains to use his drones).
I think another one of my alts has a kill with her stabber on a drake. The idea is not to slowly try to out DPS them but smack them all at once with everything you have.
If that doesn't work, try to slowly out DPS thier tank (drake's DPS sucks if you use an Afterburner, the main reason I like ABs over MWDs in caldari space, so no threat from thier missiles) and hopefully you will have enough ammo.
Last problem is back-up. I mean, the drake is a perfect example of a super-bait. Sure they lack DPS, but they can tank a lot of stuff long enough for a gang to arrive. ______________________________________
***I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*** |
Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2009.10.23 06:18:00 -
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Merin,
Your post was full of WIN!! IDK whether OP will get it or not but you WIN!
- Helo
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0ne
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Posted - 2009.10.23 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Awesome sauce post
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.23 06:31:00 -
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This is a nice thread, i probably shouldn't mention all those drakes I've soloed in harbingers. Oops, too late. -----------------------------------------------------
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.23 06:33:00 -
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BECAUSE OF DRAKE
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Foxbite
Caldari Celestial Being Incorporated Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.10.23 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Foxbite on 23/10/2009 06:50:30
Originally by: small chimp
It really needs nerfing.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? The Drake doesn't need any nerfing, and if your 10 ship fail fleets can't kill a drake, no matter the SP of the pilot, then maybe you should roll with someone who actually knows how to break a passive buffer tank.
As if our ships (Caldari) Haven't been nerfed enough because of failures like you.
Oh, and not to mention, the Drake hardly has enough DPS to take down another BC. Why don't you think before you potentially destroy one of the most respected PvP ships in this game.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 23/10/2009 07:05:59
Originally by: Foxbite
Oh, and not to mention, the Drake hardly has enough DPS to take down another BC.
Your Drake must be broken. Mine has the EHP of a battleship, and is maybe 70 dps short of the typical harbinger.
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Sonderkommando
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:17:00 -
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lol. Turn in your PVP card. If a lone passive drake makes your 10 man fleet cry, "Overpowered!", you have bigger problems.
Seriously, what will you do when you come upon a properly fitted Drake? And what if it was piloted by someone older than a few months old?
The sarcasm is strong in this thread.
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:40:00 -
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killboard.globaldisorder.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=818
On some days it's the only shiptype I kill. I hate this ship so much, I wish CCP would make it go to ship heaven so people are forced to fly something else than ******ed SPR fits.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
I don't know, we did a good job of taking out a couple of blue drakes, along with some 'canes, a Brutix, Myrm and assorted cruisers and frigs with nothing but a couple of cruisers, frigs and a great FC the other day....
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bO0bies
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:32:00 -
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I have thought about this long and hard. I have come to the conclusion that you have a traitor in your mist. Someone in your gang was repping that BAIT drake till their back up could come and own you.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood killboard.globaldisorder.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=818
On some days it's the only shiptype I kill. I hate this ship so much, I wish CCP would make it go to ship heaven so people are forced to fly something else than ******ed SPR fits.
Yeas, because they are so powerful
If people want to fail fit their drakes, by all means.
a proper PVP Drake however is pretty nice :).
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:55:00 -
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BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian I'd never play another game again if I could have a decent passive shield laser boat.
phantasm
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.10.23 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
Adding the appropriate emphasis.
Fake edit: this thread is really going places.
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.23 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 23/10/2009 09:12:54 Edited by: Kingwood on 23/10/2009 09:11:30 Edited by: Kingwood on 23/10/2009 09:11:04
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Kingwood killboard.globaldisorder.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=818
On some days it's the only shiptype I kill. I hate this ship so much, I wish CCP would make it go to ship heaven so people are forced to fly something else than ******ed SPR fits.
Yeas, because they are so powerful
If people want to fail fit their drakes, by all means.
a proper PVP Drake however is pretty nice :).
Wat? You misunderstood me. I hate the SPR shield drake because it's the most-flown ship in the area I live. I wish I could kill something else more often, but hell no, everyone wants to fly the SPR-"ohgawd, look at mah tank" drake in PvP (lol), which is just so easy to kill, it just takes a bit longer. Problem is even worse in Wormholes. Drakes everywhere.
Even though the OP was trolling, he's right. The ship promotes nubness and wrong fitting choices. Make the Drake go to ship heaven, along with the SPR mod.
edit: Also, not fitting MWD's on Drakes seems to be quite the trend also. I wish the exec corp of my alliance wouldn't see it that way, but there we go. SPR and LSE instead of MWD, because personal tanks are so important. As long as the other bastard in gang dies instead of me, all is well.
I hate this ship. Make it die.
edit2: I think I'm nerdraging
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.23 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
OMG!
Then it could kill a carrier in less than a second after 30 minutes! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.23 09:48:00 -
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Now imagine if it was a big chimp posting.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
I kill a Drake with my Rifter.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Because of Drake.
QFT.
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:28:00 -
[45]
Bring moar Purifiers...BECAUSE OF DRAKE! ________________________________________ .
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 10:29:12 All of the killmails posted so far are lies. Clearly what happened was the Drake killed hundreds of their ships before self-destructing because it got so bored of pwning everything, and then they faked a killmail so they wouldn't feel like complete losers who don't have the skills to fly a proper PvP ship (IOW, a Drake). -----------
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Ragotha
Grey Wolves Mercenary Guild
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:50:00 -
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wah wah wah for one if your going around ganking people you should no the rules of engangement.. Rule.1 dont gank nothing you cant kill. rule.2 if you try to gank some thing an it is not dying run rule.3 if your in a 10 man fleet there should have been some ecm there jamming the drake where you could run( if no ecm there out of ten ships your the noobs ) rule.4 if your going in to hostile territory to gank some one have a damn cloak an safe spots( if you 10 did not have cloaks an safe spots your the noobs) rule.5 allways have some one watching other system an local.( if you dont your the noob) rule.6 if you cant afford to loose the ship in the first place stay in high sec. an the last rule..if you do try to gank a drake an loose dont come to the forums crying about it next you say the titan should not be able to have a dooms day or a carrier cant have fighters...sheesh i seen so much crying in the forums about nerf this nerf that they need there own lil spot called cry babies an waners....if you agree with boo lil monkey....lol
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
I kill a Drake with my Rifter.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Because of Drake.
QFT.
Because of Rifter?
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:02:00 -
[49]
Laugh all you want but a properly fit and flown Drake is more than a handful compared to other BC's. The fact that on average Caldari ships are more flown by PVE players doesn't make for a good statement on the effective of the ship when used correctly.
Drake is a 70k+ EHP, 600dps+ monstrosity with MWD scram and web. Should the drake be changed? If you compare it to other BC's then yes probably, it's just too good although it only needs a slight change.
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Wideen
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:13:00 -
[50]
Merin stop with your trolling.... your pest setup is a joke dude you know VERY well that any given pest use at least 4 assault launchers
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:17:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Artemis Rose All the Drake needs is LAZORZ and we'd never need another ship!
[Drake, beam me up] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Tracking Link II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Caldari Navy Multifrequency M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
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foobarx
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:26:00 -
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Quote: Wat? You misunderstood me. I hate the SPR shield drake because it's the most-flown ship in the area I live.
Wut? I hope you're joking here. Who flies a passive Drake for PvP?
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: foobarx
Quote: Wat? You misunderstood me. I hate the SPR shield drake because it's the most-flown ship in the area I live.
Wut? I hope you're joking here. Who flies a passive Drake for PvP?
lol SPR PvP Drake 1 lol SPR PvP Drake 2 lol SPR PvP Drake 3 (they had an Onyx, who needs a Point anyway?)
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Samulus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:42:00 -
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The Drake is just fine. Yes, it is a very good noob ship but in a pvp fleet it serves its purpose very well as a bate ship. And this without spending 1 bill in fittings (accessable to all noobs and old)! NO NERFING REQUIRED
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: foobarx
Quote: Wat? You misunderstood me. I hate the SPR shield drake because it's the most-flown ship in the area I live.
Wut? I hope you're joking here. Who flies a passive Drake for PvP?
Ratters who think "haha! I have a 1700 DPS tank (against Kin/Th) in EFT, I fear no gankers!"… followed shortly by "What are those laser:y things they're shooting and why are my shields go*POOF*" ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 11:54:38
Originally by: Ragotha rule.3 if your in a 10 man fleet there should have been some ecm there jamming the drake where you could run( if no ecm there out of ten ships your the noobs )
Drakes are immune to ECM (and therefore way overpowered).
True story: I once tried to gank a Drake with 10 battleships and 20 Falcon alts. I failed with all 140 ECMs and then the Drake killed all of my Falcons, tanked all 10 of my battleships (I wish I'd brought 11) and then killed all of the battleships too. I don't fight Drakes anymore. -----------
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Amenotep Polo
Caldari Earth Space Agency
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Foxbite Edited by: Foxbite on 23/10/2009 06:50:30
Originally by: small chimp
It really needs nerfing.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? The Drake doesn't need any nerfing, and if your 10 ship fail fleets can't kill a drake, no matter the SP of the pilot, then maybe you should roll with someone who actually knows how to break a passive buffer tank.
As if our ships (Caldari) Haven't been nerfed enough because of failures like you.
Oh, and not to mention, the Drake hardly has enough DPS to take down another BC. Why don't you think before you potentially destroy one of the most respected PvP ships in this game.
What you said. --
"The future to me is already a thing of the past." Bob Dylan |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:07:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin True story: I once tried to gank a Drake with 10 battleships and 20 Falcon alts. I failed with all 140 ECMs and then the Drake killed all of my Falcons, tanked all 10 of my battleships (I wish I'd brought 11) and then killed all of the battleships too. I don't fight Drakes anymore.
I can confirm this, because it was my Drake (passive laser Drake).
-CX |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:09:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Merin Ryskin True story: I once tried to gank a Drake with 10 battleships and 20 Falcon alts. I failed with all 140 ECMs and then the Drake killed all of my Falcons, tanked all 10 of my battleships (I wish I'd brought 11) and then killed all of the battleships too. I don't fight Drakes anymore.
I can confirm this, because it was my Drake (passive laser Drake).
Oh well if it was using lasers then that makes total sense then nerf laser drake tbh
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:24:00 -
[60]
Originally by: small chimp newbienes and smacktardism.
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Izzybella
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:41:00 -
[61]
You sir, are fail. Here is a killmail of three of us taking down a a drake in what i assume is similar circumstances: a young, ratting drake pilot. Drake Note how many there were of us. In case you have trouble reading thats three. An interceptor, an incursus, and a stabber. If you and your corp failed to kill a drake with 10 tech 2 cruisers you sir are truly fail. Tell me where you live so i can come and kill you all.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:08:00 -
[62]
A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo.
He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
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Wideen
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:10:00 -
[63]
Originally by: EFT Worrier BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
let's see CONCORD invalidate this one.
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Morel Nova
Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:23:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Morel Nova on 23/10/2009 13:24:04
Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 23/10/2009 07:28:56
Originally by: Merin Ryskin DPS required to break Drake tank
Indeed. Drakes are just scary. There was this time this 11 man Scorpion fleet I was in, was called to hunt down a rampaging Drake that had killed 5 miners and 4 ratters and a small POS.
After 20 minutes' sustained fire, we had actually gotten the Drake into armor! Unfortunately, at this time when sweet victory was so close within our grasp, 1 of the Scorpions disconnected and the Drake totally destroyed the helpless remaining 10 Scorpions. The 10 Scorpions simply had insufficient DPS to break that fantastic Drake tank.
Now I have learnt my lesson - next time bring 12 battleships in case 1 disconnects. 15-16 battleships with a carrier if you want to be safe.
Nerf Drake - the NEW FALCON
not only is the drake COMPLETELY UNSTOPPABLE tank and dps wise, but it is also a FEARSOME EWAR BATTLE MACHINE
Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Ceti Lomax
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:31:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
I kill a Drake with my Rifter.
Nerf the Rifter!!
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.23 16:41:00 -
[66]
In addition, CCP severely needs to rebalance the game by making a new class of Drake-killing Capitals. Maybe a mothership class called Mother of all Drakes or something.
However, the real problem is the ability of Drake to speed tank. Those vagadrakes are well-nigh uncatchable and unbeatable.
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caboaddict
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Posted - 2009.10.23 17:01:00 -
[67]
Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo.
He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
\
you sir are a moron.
my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?!
Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf.
I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one).
GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi.
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King Dave
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 17:19:00 -
[68]
BerCos Of Drake.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:16:00 -
[69]
Originally by: caboaddict Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo.
He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
\
you sir are a moron.
my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?!
Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf.
I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one).
GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi.
y s srs? _________
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:43:00 -
[70]
compilation of lol spr drake fits http://idleempire.griefwatch.net/?p=losses&type=Drake
I say don't fly passive spr drakes, but does anyone listen to me
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xxxak
Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
Being quoted on an internet spaceship forum like that gave me a little tingle in my happy bone.
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Borasatar
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:49:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Borasatar on 23/10/2009 18:49:29 Well... I guess that means me in a Thorax and corpmate in a Drake > your 10 battleships since we killed one in just that the other night. You should pay me tribute.
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saango0
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:46:00 -
[73]
Edited by: saango0 on 23/10/2009 20:47:47 tbh only practical solution to taking out a drake is hauler revelation.. its cuz u will be there 4 a long time so u need a lot of cargo for cap boosters u kno? [Revelation, New Setup 1] Small Armor Repairer I 'Harmony' Small Armor Repairer I Expanded Cargohold II 'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II 'Aura' Warp Core Stabilizer I 'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I
Large Automated Structural Restoration 'Crucible' Small Capacitor Battery I Medium Shield Extender I 'Saddle' Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization I
Hornet I x5
NVM i found a way so i dont need any noob cap boosters, use projectiles-- warp core stabs becuz drakes are wayy too strong, liek i said only rev or stun lock specced rogue can beat a drake. 333dps *****, so you will need about 12 to gank a drake, hornets cuz he would expect hevy drones. still cap booster case he is neut fit drake i need to run my hull reppers... +1 nerf drake if u disagree you are noob lololol
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AvaAlt
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Posted - 2009.10.23 21:21:00 -
[74]
Just last night a scary drake shooted at me. I was in my rifter, which is clearly OP, as i managed to escape!
nerf rifter! NOTHING should survive drake.
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Seven Six
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:05:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here.
Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops...
Now what I really want to say:
I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship.
The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:12:00 -
[76]
Posting to simply bump this, because
THIS THREAD DELIVERS!!
Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
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Belmorn
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:36:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
THIS THREAD DELIVERS!!
Seconded
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:41:00 -
[78]
I'm sure the guy who jumped on my lone Orca earlier today in Low-sec was wishing his Drake was a little more overpowered
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:42:00 -
[79]
Originally by: caboaddict Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo.
He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
\
you sir are a moron.
my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?!
Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf.
I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one).
GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi.
I didn't think my sentries could run out of ammo either but it turns out they can, after 20 mins of sustained fire at a Drake. Also they were T2 blasters fitted with multi-frequency ammo. Like I said, without dropping our full fleet of dreads (with carriers fitted as ultra heavy tacklers) on him I would have been a goner. BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
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Joe SMASH
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:22:00 -
[80]
One time on the test server, my Drake was targeted by two titans with the single target dd. My Drake survived, then I killed the Titans... All while I was afk "servicing" my lingerie model girlfriend and her slightly overweight, but still hot, friend.
BECAUSE OF DRAKE! -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:32:00 -
[81]
Can it be lol drake kill time now?
For those too lazy to click the link it's a km of a drake shot down by 2 AFs and a ceptor ^_^ |
A Ingus
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Posted - 2009.10.24 00:40:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Seven Six Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here.
Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops...
Now what I really want to say:
I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship.
The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it.
Your post is fairly accurate, while it has been lost in all the lulz at the op for failing to kill a lolDrake with 10 HACs. The Myrm was nerfed, and harshly, because everyone cried about it fielding BS damage in 5 heavy/sentry drones (and not being a HAC like the Ishtar). Meanwhile the extreme Drake tanking option has been ignored. The problem is not so much the Drake, as it is that all BCs have an out of balance shield regen stat. If you look at BSs their shield regen is 2500 sec. The average BS base shield hp are between 5469-8500. Cruisers have a regen of 1250 sec. The average cruiser base shield is somewhere in the range of 860-1875 hp.
Now compare the above to BC base shield hp which ranges 3419-5469. This is a almost a BS sized shield, and in the case of the Drake it equals the shield of a BS (yes a BS meant to armor tank but a BS nonetheless), because it has the same shield hp as an Armageddon. However, all BCs also have an almost cruiser sized shield regen stat - 1400 sec. This is what leads to the "unkillable" shield regen lol Drake. If one was to see BCs as an intermediary between BSs and Cruisers, and ignore the fact that the shields are already skewed toward the the BS size in the range between, one would expect an 1875 sec regen.
So, you see it is not really the Drake per se that is out of balance. The fact that it receives the resist bonus and has the highest base shield hp only highlights the BC shield regen imbalance. I myself use a lol regen Drake for some Angel missions, particularly against angel frig swarms in buzzkill. I would not want to see the passive shield option disappear.
However, imo the shield regen time should be increased to some degree (I don't know how much exactly, maybe somewhere in the range of 1500-1650) so that we don't have this tanking imbalance in ratters and missionining, and Drake pilots are forced to pvp with buffer and HAM(dps) setups just as everyone else is in a BC (also which are quite powerful in relation to other pvp BCs, but that's another story). Also, this would eliminate the stupidity of finding better shield tanks on BCs, particularly the Myrm, that have ship bonuses and slot layouts suggesting they were meant to armor tank.
Now, you and I can await the flames of all those mad that we have spoken outloud about the emperor having no clothes.
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Abotosa
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Posted - 2009.10.24 00:50:00 -
[83]
Yeah
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Drakkan Koran
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Posted - 2009.10.24 01:17:00 -
[84]
Hurricane
Harbinger
Yeah I know, the thread is a joke, but just in case people are really thinking the drake is "zomg overpowered!"
That huge passive regen is good one on one, in fact as a solo boat HAM drake is very attractive. I think most people know that passive regen is meaningless in gang PvP where you will get 2500+ DPS coming off 5 BCs on the other side.
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xxxak
Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.24 01:55:00 -
[85]
Originally by: A Ingus
Originally by: Seven Six Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here.
Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops...
Now what I really want to say:
I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship.
The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it.
Your post is fairly accurate, while it has been lost in all the lulz at the op for failing to kill a lolDrake with 10 HACs. The Myrm was nerfed, and harshly, because everyone cried about it fielding BS damage in 5 heavy/sentry drones (and not being a HAC like the Ishtar). Meanwhile the extreme Drake tanking option has been ignored. The problem is not so much the Drake, as it is that all BCs have an out of balance shield regen stat. If you look at BSs their shield regen is 2500 sec. The average BS base shield hp are between 5469-8500. Cruisers have a regen of 1250 sec. The average cruiser base shield is somewhere in the range of 860-1875 hp.
Now compare the above to BC base shield hp which ranges 3419-5469. This is a almost a BS sized shield, and in the case of the Drake it equals the shield of a BS (yes a BS meant to armor tank but a BS nonetheless), because it has the same shield hp as an Armageddon. However, all BCs also have an almost cruiser sized shield regen stat - 1400 sec. This is what leads to the "unkillable" shield regen lol Drake. If one was to see BCs as an intermediary between BSs and Cruisers, and ignore the fact that the shields are already skewed toward the the BS size in the range between, one would expect an 1875 sec regen.
So, you see it is not really the Drake per se that is out of balance. The fact that it receives the resist bonus and has the highest base shield hp only highlights the BC shield regen imbalance. I myself use a lol regen Drake for some Angel missions, particularly against angel frig swarms in buzzkill. I would not want to see the passive shield option disappear.
However, imo the shield regen time should be increased to some degree (I don't know how much exactly, maybe somewhere in the range of 1500-1650) so that we don't have this tanking imbalance in ratters and missionining, and Drake pilots are forced to pvp with buffer and HAM(dps) setups just as everyone else is in a BC (also which are quite powerful in relation to other pvp BCs, but that's another story). Also, this would eliminate the stupidity of finding better shield tanks on BCs, particularly the Myrm, that have ship bonuses and slot layouts suggesting they were meant to armor tank.
Now, you and I can await the flames of all those mad that we have spoken outloud about the emperor having no clothes.
First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago.
Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS.
Next whine please?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.24 02:41:00 -
[86]
Originally by: xxxak
First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago.
Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS.
Next whine please?
right extenders and sprs go way better on carriers
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Yesyu
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Posted - 2009.10.24 02:53:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Yesyu on 24/10/2009 02:55:55 Edited by: Yesyu on 24/10/2009 02:54:13
Originally by: xxxak First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago.
Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS.
Next whine please?
Yes, it used to be a cruisers regen. And I remember some talk of 1500 being on the test server, or proposed. Oh the whines for that I suppose. Oh and then came purger rigs.
Point is the Drake would still be fine for passive regen tanking at 1500, because of the shield resists and size of the shield. It just wouldn't be sorta ridiculous, where it outtanks battleships. This would be an accross the board change for BCs.
However, I'm not whining. I doubt CCP is even reading this. I would be happy if they were, but even then Caldari is the most represented race of toons in the game. You have a very vocal, and dare I say, "whiney" lobby. So I doubt you have much to worry about. The Drake will probably keep its out of balance tank. Relax.
See, I am Caldari too.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.24 03:09:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 24/10/2009 03:10:56
Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 23/10/2009 11:09:07 Laugh all you want but a properly fit and flown Drake is more than a handful compared to other BC's. The fact that on average Caldari ships are more flown by PVE players doesn't make for a good statement on the effectiveness of the ship when used correctly.
Drake is a 70k+ EHP, 600dps+ monstrosity with MWD scram and web. Should the drake be changed? If you compare it to other BC's then yes probably, it's just too good although it only needs a slight change.
After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.10.24 04:52:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake?
Sounds balanced... not.
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.10.24 05:04:00 -
[90]
Originally by: EFT Worrier
Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake?
Sounds balanced... not.
Hey no stealing my name.
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2009.10.24 06:13:00 -
[91]
I traded my Chimera for a Drake, and got the better end of the deal. As per Merin's post, comparable tank, smaller sig, more DPS (Lazers are tough to beat), and so many perks. Who can say no?
The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry. |
Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.10.24 11:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism.
It really needs nerfing.
good trolling or really fail if you serious.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:22:00 -
[93]
This topic is doomed to attract hollow trolling.
MMOs are full of losers who use OP stuff and still fail at game. No other ship is so centric to them as the Drake.
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Juliet Stross
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:40:00 -
[94]
I need to object.
A Drake, at best, can achieve a 600-700DPS tank. It sacrifices it's battlecruiser size for this tank, and to have it that Drake must be the size of a Carrier in sig radius.
Anyone, including a Dreadnaught in siege, can hit a Drake with full DPS. I've seen Drakes fitted for tank literally MELT in front of a well-fit PVP Battleship.
Learn about PVP before you post something this ridiculous.
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Ellzella
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:07:00 -
[95]
All battlecruisers should only have 2 or maybe even 1 rig slot - fixed.
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Susy Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:39:00 -
[96]
Linkage
Has relevance, honest
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Kelso Hyde
Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:40:00 -
[97]
Drake isn't overpowered in my opinion, it does have a solid tank, but so do most ships if you fit them properly, solo BS can kill a drake its just the time it takes with the heavy tank on the Drake, and unless your missile skills are good the dps sucks with drakes, But if you nerf it, It wouldn't solve problems because people will take a new Battle Cruiser and say its overpowered, its finding an even match / balance between them all
^^ - lol at the paragraph about the Drake ha
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Francin Ikis
Gallente Tech 3 enterprise
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:30:00 -
[98]
So what to use against Drake in 1-1 battle?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:03:00 -
[99]
Cyclone or Myrmidon.
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0n 1
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:14:00 -
[100]
A Drake killed my mum.
True story.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:28:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Francin Ikis So what to use against Drake in 1-1 battle?
Derailing the thread into seriousness for a moment... Harbinger, IMHO.
Assuming the Drake doesn't have an EM hardener fit (a valid assumption, 2x Invuln + DC + resist bonus gives you pretty sturdy resists even on EM), it actually has less EHP against Scorch's damage profile than it does against Navy Multifrequency's. While this difference isn't enough to make Scorch more damaging it does bring them closer in line. Also, Scorch Harbinger has a longer range than a HAM drake which means you're forcing the drake to waste ten seconds switching to the lower damage Javelin ammo. If you were really clever you might even be able to force him to waste another 10 seconds by dropping down to say 17km range instead of 22, and then moving back out of range again.
I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:35:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.24 18:12:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
I'll give it a go on Sisi next time I have a chance, would be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.10.24 18:20:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
[Drake, Way too overpowered!] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
241 dps per battleship, Drake tanks 2445 dps, or more than 10 battleships. To break the god tank on the Drake, the 11 battleships will have to shoot it until the overloaded hardeners burn out, then finally they will be able to slowly break its tank, assuming they have a few haulers supporting them with extra ammo. But eventually, the Drake will die.
Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.10.24 19:22:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 24/10/2009 19:22:18 I even made a video of me pwning a mega with my Drake. Its just that awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:42:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 24/10/2009 20:42:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
You wouldn't fit your Avatar class titan with T2 crap either, would you?
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.10.24 23:30:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 24/10/2009 23:34:06
Originally by: EFT Worrier
Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake?
Sounds balanced... not.
Didn't you notice the many part?
Plus an Armageddon that would eat many drakes doesn't actually cost that much more than a drake.
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Dr Clamidia
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:40:00 -
[108]
its worse in provi area.
Your ganking a little harbinger ratting, then suddenly ur spy in the channel says theres 15 people saying "omw".
Then 8 passive tanked drakes full of SPR and perma boosting ravens with no dmg mods land on ur belt and try to save the day......
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:47:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Darthewok on 25/10/2009 03:52:58 Recommended fit if you are fighting a Drake 1v1
Drake will probably still win, but you just might have a chance if you overload your weapons.
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Cunane
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:55:00 -
[110]
Only reason a drake lasts so long is because everyone is shooting the hurricane and brutix in the same fleet and leaving the drake for last :p
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.25 03:57:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Terianna Eri I'd put good money on an ECM-drone wielding Harbinger against a well-skilled HAM drake to be honest.
I wouldn't, tbh.
I'll give it a go on Sisi next time I have a chance, would be interesting to see how it pans out.
You two need to be flogged for derailing a perfectly good troll thread.
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Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:25:00 -
[112]
It also has eight high slots, so it's a great mining ship. Is there anything Drakes can't do?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 04:46:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Gypsio III Cyclone or Myrmidon.
I'd put more money on a Harb, but I'll grant HG Crystals+Blue Pill can make an active tanked Cyclone competitive in a 1v1. HG Slave + Strong Exile for the Myrm is also good, but I've never had any trouble waxing any Myrm I find in with a Drake.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.25 06:21:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Colonel Xaven Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 24/10/2009 20:42:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, cause all drake pilots fit Luthers and Estamel's.
You wouldn't fit your Avatar class titan with T2 crap either, would you?
Sure I would:
[Avatar, PWN!] Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Beam Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL Jump Portal Generator I Clone Vat Bay I
Semiconductor Memory Cell II Semiconductor Memory Cell II Semiconductor Memory Cell I
And yet more proof the Drake is overpowered! Not only can a single Drake break the tank on an Avatar, but the Avatar's poor tracking means it can't even hit the Drake in return. If your Avatar gets tackled by a Drake, all you can do is set your self destruct and get it over with a bit faster. -----------
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.25 11:13:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Gypsio III Cyclone or Myrmidon.
I'd put more money on a Harb, but I'll grant HG Crystals+Blue Pill can make an active tanked Cyclone competitive in a 1v1. HG Slave + Strong Exile for the Myrm is also good, but I've never had any trouble waxing any Myrm I find in with a Drake.
-Liang
Likewise, but, equally, most of the Drakes that I meet are crap fits also. It was a worrying day when I first met a HAM Drake fit just like mine.
The Harbinger's problem here is that it's a simple EHP vs. DPS race. With Slaves etc, I think the Harbinger has the mathematical advantage, but I suspect that a bit of manual piloting to keep outside MF range and the shield recharge could swing things the Drake's way. The ECM drones might be a bad idea - they're getting primaried and will be dead in about 30 seconds, although that can be extended with fancy deploys/recalls, whereas I'd ignore DPS drones and let them add their DPS the entire fight.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2009.10.25 13:27:00 -
[116]
Lolbis > Drake
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Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.25 17:04:00 -
[117]
Your hideously exaggerating.
The drake is pretty powerful but I don't think it needs a nerf. But the other battlecruisers need a buff to match the drake. The myrm in particular is pale shade compared to the drake.
It only gets the dps of a HAM drake when having far less tank and when fit for tank the drake will out dps it.
Kazang
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.25 18:02:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Cunane Only reason a drake lasts so long is because everyone is shooting the hurricane and brutix in the same fleet and leaving the drake for last :p
Yay for reputation tanking. Everyone sees drake, thinks it's a useless brick with lots of ehps, and in turn, shoots something else.
So clearly, ewar gank Drakes are the way to go!
Originally by: Pax Empyrean It also has eight high slots, so it's a great mining ship. Is there anything Drakes can't do?
Highslots, no turret hardpoints. Nice try though. It -does- have a mining drone bay though.
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:53:00 -
[119]
Personally I am of the opinion that if someone is right or at least honestly believes what he says, he isn't trolling (of course one can be wrong about judging what another 'truly believes')
So, calling OP a troll is technically wrong and may be in itself trolling.
BCs are "cruiser superiority" ships. They're meant to kill cruisers. Like destroyers are meant to kill frigates, while themselves still remaining mostly a frigate. Under normal circumstances, any BC will destroy any cruiser any day, even a HAC. Similiar to how T1 destroyers are realistically more than capable of blowing up T2 AFs and inties.
This class superiority is offset by the fact that BCs have virtually no direct advantage vs battleships, they lack the speed and sig radius regular cruisers get, and the firepower and range of a BS. BCs should and usually do pop really quickly vs a battleships firepower. That they don't - or rather, that the drake doesn't, means the drake in particular is broken, because BS pop other BCs just fine.
The reason for the brokenness of the drake is likely to be the passive shield regen rate as previously discussed - while this regen rate is common to all BCs, this only takes the form of horrible OPness on the drake, due to the multiplicative effects with the drake's slot allocation and shield resistance ability.
Even with a distinctively increased shield recharge time to bring in line with battleships (2000+s) the drake could tank PVE just fine, but would stop consistently tanking battleships in situations where every other BC just goes poof.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.25 21:10:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/10/2009 21:11:15 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/10/2009 21:10:34
Originally by: Dabljuh Personally I am of the opinion that if someone is right or at least honestly believes what he says, he isn't trolling (of course one can be wrong about judging what another 'truly believes')
So, calling OP a troll is technically wrong and may be in itself trolling.
BCs are "cruiser superiority" ships. They're meant to kill cruisers. Like destroyers are meant to kill frigates, while themselves still remaining mostly a frigate. Under normal circumstances, any BC will destroy any cruiser any day, even a HAC. Similiar to how T1 destroyers are realistically more than capable of blowing up T2 AFs and inties.
This class superiority is offset by the fact that BCs have virtually no direct advantage vs battleships, they lack the speed and sig radius regular cruisers get, and the firepower and range of a BS. BCs should and usually do pop really quickly vs a battleships firepower. That they don't - or rather, that the drake doesn't, means the drake in particular is broken, because BS pop other BCs just fine.
The reason for the brokenness of the drake is likely to be the passive shield regen rate as previously discussed - while this regen rate is common to all BCs, this only takes the form of horrible OPness on the drake, due to the multiplicative effects with the drake's slot allocation and shield resistance ability.
Even with a distinctively increased shield recharge time to bring in line with battleships (2000+s) the drake could tank PVE just fine, but would stop consistently tanking battleships in situations where every other BC just goes poof.
It is a troll thread from a small chimp. It was quite funny too, until you srs biznis people came in with arguments and crap.
Anyway, Drakes don't really tank BS. Maybe, just maybe it would in a brick fit without anything but recharge mods and stuff. Although such a Drake is incredibly, mind-bogglingly useless, so I don't find anything problematic with it.
What Drakes do in a PVP fit is have very very high EHP for a BC, offset by somewhat smaller DPS output then other BCs. They are, in short, superior when it comes to pure buffer BC slugfests vs other BCs. They're not going to take on a PVP fit BS however.
Does that mean it's overpowered in relation to other BCs? I'd say no.
For solo, the greater pure DPS output of the Hurricane (and the Harbinger) combined with its selection of damage types, however, make it a very viable contender even if it cannot win the 1v1 fight without a very expensive implant set (and pretty close even then tbh).
So, no, the Drake is not overpowered. Being best at something doesn't make it overpowered, and having the best EHP/DPS balance doesn't make it overpowered. If it was best at everything, then you'd have a point.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.10.25 21:31:00 -
[121]
*gives the OP cuddles*
I kinda feel your pain. One time we had a tough time downing a drake with 2 rapiers. Took for goddamn ever. He was either AFK or logged, because he didn't even shoot back.
But seriously, the drake isn't over powered. Its a big shield brick, and they seldom die fast, even to BIG DPS, but your whine is totally pointless and pathetic.
The problem in your scenario is basically that you guys suck. If a sizable gang cant grind it down then, you do indeed suck. I suspect that instead of it taking so long to kill him that huge amounts of support showed up, that the drake was specifically supertanked and was bait for the big guys.
But come on.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:07:00 -
[122]
typical cookie-cutter drake fit is something like:
7x ham
mwd, 2x invul, 2x LSE, disrupt
2x BCU, dcu, pdu
3x field extender
alot of drakes out there will also drop one invul for a web
while this does in fact have a ****load of EHP it's bull**** to say this will tank a geddon which doesnt actually cost that much more
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jimmyjam
Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.10.25 23:21:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Omarvelous How many ships does this Drake of yours have the DPS to kill?
I'm going to go find big chimp and tell him to slap you around for making such a ******ed post.
This.
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2009.10.25 23:57:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
Did anyone run the numbers? Are these figures legit? If they are, is something else (about the BS maybe) bogus?
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hauntingappiriton
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Posted - 2009.10.26 00:57:00 -
[125]
I kept reading blah blah I hate caldari waah nothing wrong with the drake what counters a drake a high sp raven but you all don't know jack about that cuase ravens suck at pvp heh there a nightmare for a drake also a drake counters a drake me and 3 guys grabbed a pirate in .4 I was ina drake pirate was in a drake my buddies in bc's we owned his ass quit trying to nerf caldaris solo mobile cause if that's the case nerf amarr shps cause they eat caldari for lunch and them ogres hitting for 300-400 dmg omg I almost ****ed my self I'm not smart enough to figure out how to pvp so let's just nerf sh**
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Geminimixer
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Posted - 2009.10.26 00:59:00 -
[126]
Quote: Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill.
Quote: Consider the following Drake: Did anyone run the numbers? Are these figures legit? If they are, is something else (about the BS maybe) bogus?
Its legit alright mate. A drake can easily tank 10 bs's but the 11th is the one that manages to break it. A megathron does what 100 dps max and a drake can tank around 1000-9000 dps (depends on skills + fitting). Scary stuff.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:12:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Dabljuh
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill. Consider the following Drake:
Did anyone run the numbers? Are these figures legit? If they are, is something else (about the BS maybe) bogus?
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:12:00 -
[128]
Originally by: hauntingappiriton I kept reading blah blah I hate caldari waah nothing wrong with the drake what counters a drake a high sp raven but you all don't know jack about that cuase ravens suck at pvp heh there a nightmare for a drake also a drake counters a drake me and 3 guys grabbed a pirate in .4 I was ina drake pirate was in a drake my buddies in bc's we owned his ass quit trying to nerf caldaris solo mobile cause if that's the case nerf amarr shps cause they eat caldari for lunch and them ogres hitting for 300-400 dmg omg I almost ****ed my self I'm not smart enough to figure out how to pvp so let's just nerf sh**
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Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:14:00 -
[129]
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Cunane Only reason a drake lasts so long is because everyone is shooting the hurricane and brutix in the same fleet and leaving the drake for last :p
Yay for reputation tanking. Everyone sees drake, thinks it's a useless brick with lots of ehps, and in turn, shoots something else.
So clearly, ewar gank Drakes are the way to go!
Originally by: Pax Empyrean It also has eight high slots, so it's a great mining ship. Is there anything Drakes can't do?
Highslots, no turret hardpoints. Nice try though. It -does- have a mining drone bay though.
In this thread, some people mock the OP for crying about this, while others completely miss the point. You, sir, are of the second type.
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hauntingappiriton
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:25:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: hauntingappiriton I kept reading blah blah I hate caldari waah nothing wrong with the drake what counters a drake a high sp raven but you all don't know jack about that cuase ravens suck at pvp heh there a nightmare for a drake also a drake counters a drake me and 3 guys grabbed a pirate in .4 I was ina drake pirate was in a drake my buddies in bc's we owned his ass quit trying to nerf caldaris solo mobile cause if that's the case nerf amarr shps cause they eat caldari for lunch and them ogres hitting for 300-400 dmg omg I almost ****ed my self I'm not smart enough to figure out how to pvp so let's just nerf sh**
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:36:00 -
[131]
*looks and see this thread is on page 5 already*
:popcorn: On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:56:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
God damnit.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2009.10.26 02:03:00 -
[133]
Originally by: hauntingappiriton
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: hauntingappiriton I kept reading blah blah I hate caldari waah nothing wrong with the drake what counters a drake a high sp raven but you all don't know jack about that cuase ravens suck at pvp heh there a nightmare for a drake also a drake counters a drake me and 3 guys grabbed a pirate in .4 I was ina drake pirate was in a drake my buddies in bc's we owned his ass quit trying to nerf caldaris solo mobile cause if that's the case nerf amarr shps cause they eat caldari for lunch and them ogres hitting for 300-400 dmg omg I almost ****ed my self I'm not smart enough to figure out how to pvp so let's just nerf sh**
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holy crap touchy boy, autumn depression going on or something?
stop crying, if you're saying the drake's in line with other BC's you're quite mistaken, period
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Le Sabre
Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2009.10.26 03:07:00 -
[134]
Drakes die to small gangs just fine imho. Sure they may have a nice big tank, but all they can really do is sit there while everyone nibbles away at it. It certainly does not need 10 bs to kill, proof : http://forums.legih.dk/kb.php?a=kill_detail&kll_id=708
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.26 03:18:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Geminimixer
Quote: Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2009 02:01:42 OP is not kidding, the Drake is overpowered and needs at least 11 battleships to kill.
Quote: Consider the following Drake: Did anyone run the numbers? Are these figures legit? If they are, is something else (about the BS maybe) bogus?
Its legit alright mate. A drake can easily tank 10 bs's but the 11th is the one that manages to break it. A megathron does what 100 dps max and a drake can tank around 1000-9000 dps (depends on skills + fitting). Scary stuff.
I think this thread is being de-railed by the 11 BS number. In fact, this thread is full of BS numbers. You can actually get away with 10 BS if they are all faction BS with Deadspace boosters. However, the dangerous part is if they all run out of cap while bashing the Drake. Then the Drake will BBQ them all. So its more like 10-11 BS with 2-3 logistics ships to supply cap.
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Dirtknap
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Posted - 2009.10.26 09:52:00 -
[136]
Originally by: EFT Worrier
Originally by: caboaddict Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo.
He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
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you sir are a moron.
my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?!
Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf.
I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one).
GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi.
I didn't think my sentries could run out of ammo either but it turns out they can, after 20 mins of sustained fire at a Drake. Also they were T2 blasters fitted with multi-frequency ammo. Like I said, without dropping our full fleet of dreads (with carriers fitted as ultra heavy tacklers) on him I would have been a goner. BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
Could you please post the heavy tackler fit for any of the carriers? We've been having a lot of trouble recently in our region (mainly because of Drake) and something like a heavy tackle fit carrier sounds perfect for our Drake hunting gangs.
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2009.10.26 11:15:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Geminimixer Its legit alright mate. A drake can easily tank 10 bs's but the 11th is the one that manages to break it. A megathron does what 100 dps max and a drake can tank around 1000-9000 dps (depends on skills + fitting). Scary stuff.
Stupid, stupid. A blasterthron does 0 dps at drake max range.
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Ayssith D'ark
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Posted - 2009.10.26 11:34:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
[Drake, Way too overpowered!] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Luther Veron's Modified Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II Core Defence Field Extender II
Wouldn't this just be phat lewts if you nossed and neuted it??
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.26 14:20:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
God damnit.
DAMMIT NOT DAMNIT _________
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.26 14:34:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Ayssith D'ark
Originally by: Merin Ryskin fit, etc
Wouldn't this just be phat lewts if you nossed and neuted it??
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
God damnit.
DAMMIT NOT DAMNIT
Damn is short for Damnation. l2spell
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:32:00 -
[142]
It doesn't need a nerf, you people need to fly with a Curse/Pilgrim and shut off the resist mods.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS
God damnit.
DAMMIT NOT DAMNIT
Damn is short for Damnation. l2spell
DAMMIT TWO DICTIONARY RESULTS
DAMNIT NO DICTIONARY RESULTS
EITHER USE ONE WORD DAMMIT OR TWO WORDS DAMN IT _________
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SuperNova221
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:24:00 -
[144]
Surprised nobody has mentioned the fearsome power of the plated rocket drake of doom and death and stuff. I mean seriously, SPR drakes are annoying to kill but those beasts just take the cake. I had to reship 17 times before it died, only little damage on the actual mail because of the 99.9% resists it has across the board.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:55:00 -
[145]
5 pages?
Serious props to the OP for this thread.
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SuperNova221
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Posted - 2009.10.26 22:00:00 -
[146]
All that is missing is a dev post.
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Geminimixer
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:41:00 -
[147]
BECAUSE OF DRAKE!!111!
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Ganandorf
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Posted - 2009.10.27 01:33:00 -
[148]
meh if a drake is fitted in such a way that it can't be killed by a pulse geddon, it means it has such crappy dps the geddon can probably tank the drake on shield recharge
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Thingymawotzit
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 04:27:00 -
[149]
So to summarize this thread.....
Drake > All except Rifter.
But on serious note - Anyone with a drake who think its like WTFPWN in bc 1v1 - Please come to Ostingele and I will use either a myrm or harbi to pwn you. Seriously.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 05:20:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Ayssith D'ark
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
[Drake, Way too overpowered!]
Wouldn't this just be phat lewts if you nossed and neuted it??
Why would you even neut it? Just wait till it caps itself out :P
Most likely no phat lewts though, all that drops would be 2 SPRs and a AML.
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Aurican Tetro
Gallente The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.10.27 05:26:00 -
[151]
I thought the average IQ of the EVE community was above average. Then I read the comments in this thread. On a positive note, nice work OP.
/facepalm
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 06:05:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Aurican Tetro I thought the average IQ of the EVE community was above average. Then I read the comments in this thread. On a positive note, nice work OP.
/facepalm
You dont get out much, do you?
Given what else goes through these forums I'd say this thread is a shining beacon of hope. Or something like that
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Merbusent on 27/10/2009 11:25:13
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Ayssith D'ark
Originally by: Merin Ryskin fit, etc
Wouldn't this just be phat lewts if you nossed and neuted it??
dont get it.
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skye orionis
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:28:00 -
[154]
Give Drake Respect, - it's his birthday today after all. http://www.imeem.com/jukebox/playlist/y7Fb5Jg4/happy-b-day-drizzy-music-playlist/
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Ruban Spangler
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:06:00 -
[155]
This is a trick question. Every noob knows that drakes are indestructible Bene Gesserit is recruiting. |
Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:49:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Kail Storm on 27/10/2009 20:56:58 Is the drake the best in 1v1 and ver ysmall gangs yes.....Is it over powered absolutely NO
Since its huge sig radius is bigger than some BS`s it basically melts very fast against BS gangs also since cald has no remote rep like other races it gets double owned also since missles can be used in big fights its triple ganked against BS RR gangs
Drake does its role very well king of the NON RR BC`s, but if you take 7 drakes and 7 RR Harbis with Scorch I think the harbis will win since they can all rep the primaried target while the drake can only rep what it can rep solo.
I hate the fact that the Guys on the forums have had to defend the drakes honor and keep arguing [and owning ] the guys who said forever the drake blows and will never be used in combat well etc etc
Now these are the same idiots who whine and say that the drake needs a nerfing LOL
TL:DR
The IDIOTS said the drake is so weak and can not PVP and that it will get owned by all the others in PVP and should only mission.
Then Merin, Dav, Gypsio and all the other smart drake guys Owned them in arguments and made it clear drake would kill them solo or in very small gangs...They had no replys
Now the same idiots are whining saying that the drake is overpowered and needs to be nerfed LOL when nothing in game has changed....Basically since they wised up and were owned in convo about 1V1 and small gang fights, now they think it should be nerfed...Make up your minds, leave it alone...
We as cald guys have very few ships and almost 0 that are viable in large fleets, leave us our niche in small gang fights and solo fights, the drake owns 1v1 anything smaller than BS, but against BS`s it is slower than any other ships in its class with a BS sized sig radius meaning the BS has no trouble locking it and killing it and it doesnt get the tank of most full blown buffer fit BS`s.
It loses to most BS`s and ALL RR BS`s and it will lose in 20+ Battles most the time RR VS LOCAL TANK.
LEAVE US OUR 1 GREAT SHIP, just cause you blow hard and now you realized you were wrong when you were bragging about your awesome Armor ships now you want it changed...lol pathetic, 2 months ago you would have bet it all on the drake losing, and all that has changed???? OH YEAH YOU WERE OWNED IN ARGUMENTS
IF YOU WANNA BEAT THE DRAKE, use buddys its a MMO its supposed to make you work as teamates or just use 1 well fit BS and own it...
To the OP 2 weeks ago Gypsio [In his Cerb] and 4 of his buddys Lit up my Ham Drake very fast the other day all with 3 hacs and 2 cruisers, I lasted maybe 2.5 mins.
If you are so terribad you cant beat a solo drake ratting in a belt...then guess what warp away since he doesnt have tackle...GTFO or quit I dont care just gimme your stuff first. If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
SuperNova221
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Posted - 2009.10.27 21:46:00 -
[157]
Longest TL;DR I've ever seen.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.27 23:09:00 -
[158]
Shouldn't the tl;dr be shorter than the rest of his post? _________
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Laur Khal
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Posted - 2009.10.28 00:17:00 -
[159]
So, I saw a gang of shield RRing + cap transferring passive shield drakes tank 3x their number in battleships + support yesterday.
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates Global Disorder
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Posted - 2009.10.28 03:15:00 -
[160]
First Drake who didn't use SPRs when ratting. Boost active tanking.
http://killboard.globaldisorder.de/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=964
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.28 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Laur Khal So, I saw a gang of shield RRing + cap transferring passive shield drakes tank 3x their number in battleships + support yesterday.
Then the BS group was very bad, If they were equal lets say a mix of geddons and IDK even weak ass rail Domis they hae major advantages over the Drakes.
Drake= about 80k EHP and 600 DPS with a maxxed out pilot but those numbers drop Very quikly when just takingthem from some level 5 to 4 skills, For instance a 5 pilot with all but Ham spec 5 and Target Nav predict and a few other Hi end missle only skills thedrake goes to about 450-520 range very fast.
And following suit with good but not perfect lvl 5 skills the drake also stays at about 65k ehp with a good buffer. So when everI hear that the drakes numbers are godly I agree except I am one of the 485 dps and 68k ehp tank drake pilots even though I have 6.5 mil dedicated to the drake alone, but Since I dont have perfect fitting skills and therefore cant drop in the 3rd BCS even with a 3% implant I cant get the last bit of tweaked DPS that some can out of it.
Also the RR argument IMO is just rediculously favored to the armor, yes you can get a good setup with the Bassilisk but with a whole fleet of Repping BS`s its Way More powerful IMO, I mean come one 15 Bs`s all repping the primary from 15 drakes all spewing half the DPS, and some BS`s with dual reps.
Geddon= My 3 mil sp geddon pilot gets 80k Ehp and 600 DPS with pulses@ 13kmand 10 falloff that is well within and beyond ham range while out dpsing most if not all the Drakes in the gag assuming the ydont have perfect skills and they will have to swapp to javs to get the 24km shots.
When you get lvl 5 guys you get a modest BS [geddon] fit to 105k EHP and 900 DPS. Basically any way you slice it in teh BS`s world the Drake loses It has all the drwabacks of the BS, Sig radius so the ycan lock it fast and hit it ez with missles or track it with turrets, its to slow to be a "Nano fit" that can make turrets miss, and all in all is way to weak to break a good RR tank while the BS can have multiple repper. Also dont forget the Large drone bays of the BS`s that can fit ECM drones, or Just use Heavys which will track a Drake and murder it, while the drake can only field lights.
TL:DR
Id like to see this fleet you saw, and if it indeed happen that way it was
1] Crazy low SP BS fleet with no Fitting knowledge at all.
2] All perfect level 5 skilled drake pilots
3] You must have just seen all the Drake fleets BS beat up the other BS`s and warp off lol because there is no way a fleet vs fleet of RR BS VS DRAKEs the drakes win in open even fight lol, Esp since its biggest gap is EM.
The BS are Stronger by around 20-40k EHP have more powerful reps since you would have 1 per ship ad they can all rep there buddys, The DPS of BS is almost double. Drones on BS alone Would Cause major Ecm probs for the slow drakes.
I saw this video one time of a NH killing tons of ships...Doesnt make the Night Hawk viable in PVP ..Seeing doesnt mean its the case all the time. If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
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