Step 1: Remove incursions from hisec

The problem in that will be that you wont see much if any changes in the way people run (or rather don't run) incursions if you don't change it so that people actually want to run the sites again. Sure, for null sec players that influence bar change will change it for the better, but for the low sec and high sec players it will mean very little, same with that 10% isk reward. The whole thing just seems so backwards done that it's not even funny, right from the start when you nerfed them to the way you're backtracking on the wrong things.

Incursioners for the most part would be content with smaller reward, but incursioners for the most part will be looking for other activities if the fleets don't run. That's something you haven't adressed at all with this announcement. You basically have content that no one wants to use, where's the sense in that?

At Fanfest, CCP's economist stated that Incursions added 9+B ISK per month to the Eve economy, compared to a total ISK faucet in the game of 56B (as I remember). CCP's unwillingness to believe there was any problem for so long with this new game feature was simple ostrich tactics.

I am on record as saying that CCP made far to many changes to the Eve economy with Escalation and Inferno. But, to simply roll-back virtually all changes and ignore this ISK badly leaky faucet is CCP at its best: responding only to lost subscriptions. Simple solution would be, first, tighten the ISK faucet *soon*, then work on issues of difficulty next (and not some day far off).

CCP will find that while sticking its fingers into all the leaking holes in the Eve economic dam that vermin have infested each particular hole and bite it. CCP needs to tough it out, get bitten, or risk continued spiraling inflation (which CCP seems to feel is a problem).

you talk about 9Bill a mounth more isk in the game... well what about ALL the stuff that dosn't drop when you blow up other ship's ..

and incurtion ship have the fit value of like 4 bill. and when this ship explode. only 15% of the moduls drop, we are talking about officer and faction module witch dosn't drop, thy get distroied.

and this is just incurtion runners. in PVP this is the same. a ship dies. and all you get is the enemies ammo. no realy good loot from there modules.

don't talk about putting ISK into the game. when the Drop rate of Combat Loot takes 200% more out of the game.

Step 1: Remove incursions from hisec

stop crying.. Incurtions sould ONLY be in high seq. as it is sansha trying to get back on the empire .. WTF sould he realy try to invade NILL seq' realy ..???? this dosn't make any sinds at all.. the story is that he was dobblecrosed by Amarr empire. and "sould" only try to invade high seq for tis reson..

the fact that incurtions are in low and nill is only to balance the game..

and while we are at it.. when are we getting Tech moon mining in high seq.. "just to balance the game"

The main change that killed Vanguards was the OTA, not the payouts... And it's been clearly stated in the forums... And by looking at the data CCP could not see the OTA stacking up in every system??? I'm a bit disappointed... The only thing Vanguards need is balancing of the OTA site, ok, some iterations for influence bar are welcome. Payout is not the issue.

Changes in the payout may be the only needed change, provided you keep iterating on them. For example, OTA's may deserve a higher payout than other sites, just to make them worth while.

A) It's nine trillion.

B) Incursion ships are not 4B, some are, but not all. And it's not particularly important anyway when they so rarely explode.

C) Drop rates aren't 15%., and you don't just get the enemy's ammunition, try blowing a ship up and see.

D) Module and ship destruction does not remove ISK from the game.

I always see this posted as a joke

D) Module and ship destruction does not remove ISK from the game.

Fact is you listened to the griefing retards and screwed the pooch and if you think 10% isk is going to unf**ck vanguards you are smoking the wrong stuff

perhaps blitzing the incursion equivalent of L3 missions isn't supposed to be more profitable than any other PvE in the game?

perhaps blitzing the incursion equivalent of L3 missions isn't supposed to be more profitable than any other PvE in the game?

perhaps blitzing the incursion equivalent of L3 missions isn't supposed to be more profitable than any other PvE in the game?

Grief on baby

Yes, caring about the risk/reward balance in the game is griefing. Good to know!

nerf all incursion profits, including LP by 50% in high sec

No but Goons don't mind keeping all the high isk earnings in 0.0 so don't talk to me about Risk / Reward thats plain b0llox, I have done loads of 0.0 and risk isn't as much as it is in wormholes

Not sure I can give the exact numbers, but the use of Vanguards basically floored.

Some fleets, namely armor fleets, have managed to combat that issue by fitting microwarp drives to each and every ship and then moving everyone to the hacking locations. That however essentially means that half of the fleets are completely unable to do the same, unless they nerf their fits so badly that they're practically unable to do anything else.

if you want to make incursions interesting and fun again make it more realistic like pvp instead of a isk grinding activity which it mostly is you do vanguards in shiny fleets and ignore all others.
you wouldn't use battleships to kill frigs i mean who thought of that?.

Perhaps because wormholes are supposed to be inherently more dangerous than k-space?

And because nullsec is inherently more dangerous than hisec?

I have to take my hat off to you, sir, for the ability to say that with a straight face.

Incursions: Identical across all security regions with a nominal alteration in payout.

Step 1: Remove incursions from hisec

These are just short term fixes to get us back to a place where people are happier with Incursions. We will look at further changes in the future - one step at a time.