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Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:11:00 - [1] Why don't you just shoot the wrecks? Something I'll never understand really. Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:44:00 - [2] Because a fairy panda from the coconut plains of the gingerbread people will come and eat your ship.
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:38:00 - [3] Because shooting the wrecks means I spend weapon cycles on something to me completely irrelevant. It's not like either of us is going to make more isk by me shooting my own wrecks, were both just going to make less. I very rarely get any ninja salvagers, when I do either ignore them or salvage the crap myself.
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:56:00 - [4] I started in 2005 and kind weird the first ninja I saw was like 3 days ago. I told him I donÆt loot and salvage so he can go on but for some weird reason he never came back What ever you do don't shoot at them.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:56:00 - [5] The "ninjasalvager" in our Wormhole neighborsystem usually die pretty fast, no problem there :) (even less work, too)
Gandoral	Posted - 2009.11.02 09:09:00 - [6] i playe EVE since 2005 and never saw any Ninja-salvager. Only some ninjalooter in some mining belts. Didn't last long enough to have fun with his robbed minerals ;) Very helpfull is missionrunning by 2 ppl. One is the fighter the other the salvager.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.02 09:44:00 - [7] Because I don't get ninja'd. …and because it's not that big a deal. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.02 09:56:00 - [8] to get ninja'd goto motsu aunia dodixie amarr rens hek any hub and run lv 3-4 missiona and wait Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.02 10:08:00 - [9] Originally by: HeliosGal to get ninja'd goto motsu aunia dodixie amarr rens hek any hub and run lv 3-4 missiona and wait I did (well, didn't try Rens and Hek). It didn't work. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Samuel Mason	Posted - 2009.11.02 19:04:00 - [10] One day I decided to ninja salvage, this guy in a drake shot me and got destroyed by concord... I felt so bad I quit ninja salvaging.

Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.02 19:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: HeliosGal to get ninja'd goto motsu aunia dodixie amarr rens hek any hub and run lv 3-4 missiona and wait I did (well, didn't try Rens and Hek). It didn't work. Ninja salvager spawns are very random, sometimes you have to wait for a very long time.
Jekyl Eraser	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Tippia Originally by: HeliosGal to get ninja'd goto motsu aunia dodixie amarr rens hek any hub and run lv 3-4 missiona and wait I did (well, didn't try Rens and Hek). It didn't work. Ninja salvager spawns are very random, sometimes you have to wait for a very long time. But they drop some imba loot so it's worth the wait
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Ninja salvager spawns are very random, sometimes you have to wait for a very long time. /thread
M0rkar Amarr Universal Mayhem	Posted - 2009.11.03 01:00:00 - [14] because i dont care since i do not loot nor salvage most of the time, they would have much less trouble simply asking if they can loot/salvage my missions so they would not have to spent time scanning stupid people
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.03 01:18:00 - [15] I blew the last one up, and he never came back... so I waited months, someone warps into my blockade just as I hit a trigger and takes all the agg, and he never came back either :(. OP: waste of time and ammo?
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.11.03 01:37:00 - [16] As a sometimes ninja, I can confirm that when the mission runner blows up the wrecks, it is very pleasing to the ninja. Because that is the action of a sad, butthurt mission runner. I will often stay to the end and force the runner to shoot every single wreck. If you really want to defeat the ninja, ignore him. ... The Fighting Republicans now recruiting for a 2010 comeback campaign!
Ata Girl	Posted - 2009.11.03 02:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Ata Girl on 03/11/2009 02:17:24 a guy in a golem was shooting wrecks with faction torps or somethin like that. I did follow him 5 systems away just to see if he would do it again. he did :)
Chienka Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.03 05:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Sader Rykane When your getting Ninja salvaged. When are you people going to realize they're not your wrecks? Need space? Atlas Rentals can help!
Drakarin Gallente The Abyssmal Spire Independent Faction	Posted - 2009.11.03 05:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Chienka Originally by: Sader Rykane When your getting Ninja salvaged. When are you people going to realize they're not your wrecks? AHEM They only exist because I destroyed them. They are a resource I created. They are EXACTLY the same thing as loot, merely requiring a skill to obtain it (which makes it even closer to being like mining, a real profession). If you can't steal loot, you shouldn't be able to steal salvage. End of story. Either get credible by making the loot itself not property of the destroyer, or do the opposite and make wrecks belong to the guy who created them. I mean seriously, if the loot on the wreck belongs to me, the salvage does too. Because salvage is loot too.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.03 07:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Drakarin They only exist because I destroyed them. Irrelevant. They aren't yours anyway. For destroying the ships, you are rewarded with bounties and loot. Salvage is not part of the package. Quote: They are a resource I created. They are EXACTLY the same thing as loot, merely requiring a skill to obtain it (which makes it even closer to being like mining, a real profession). Loot is created by activating a weapon on a ship — you need a weapon skill to do this. Salvage is created by activating a salvager on a wreck — you need a salvaging skill to do this. So yes, in that respect, salvage is exactly like loot: you have to earn it by creating it. Notice, however, that shooting a ship does not create salvage — salvaging does. Therefore, if you're not the one who activates the salvager, the salvage isn't yours because you haven't earned it. Quote: If you can't steal loot, you shouldn't be able to steal salvage. You can steal salvage the exact same way you steal loot: by taking it out of someone else's can, or by taking it from their smouldering remains. If you don't want your salvage stolen, you shouldn't jettison it to begin with. Quote: I mean seriously, if the loot on the wreck belongs to me, the salvage does too. Because salvage is loot too. No. Salvage is salvage, loot is loot. How can this be so hard to understand? You didn't work for the salvage so you didn't earn it so it isn't yours. Very simple. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Srialia Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.11.03 07:43:00 - [21] Edited by: Srialia on 03/11/2009 07:43:22 Originally by: Drakarin I mean seriously, if the loot on the wreck belongs to me, the salvage does too. Because salvage is loot too. This is the way you want it to be. This is the way it is: The salvage is not loot, it is salvage. It does not belong to you until you salvage it. If somebody else salvages it, it belongs to them. I'll go a step further and say that not even the loot from wrecks belongs to you until it is in your cargo hold. If I get it into my hold and get away before you loot it, it belongs to me, and suddenly nothing belongs to you but 15 minutes of kill rights (and for you, it seems, a throbbing vein in your forehead). This is the wrong game for you if you're looking for guarantees.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.03 09:17:00 - [22] I have yet to be ninjaed. I do more money by not looting and salvaging but I usually do that because I hate not to clean up. So if a ninja would show up he'd probably increase my income by cleaning what I'd "have to" loot myself due to my pack rat mentality. On the other side, a corp mate teached me how to ninja (all of it, from probing to PVP tricks) and... I got bored in about 10 minutes and never tried it again. I mean, what's more boring than killing 50 Angels and looting + salvaging them? Only looting and salvaging them! - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Srialia Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.11.03 10:27:00 - [23] Vaerah, it's only boring until they start flinging impotent rage and frustration at you. Once that happens, you never want to stop. At least, that's how it happened for me ^_^
Nonnosa Amarr	Posted - 2009.11.03 10:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Sader Rykane Why don't you just shoot the wrecks? Something I'll never understand really. Another idea is to see if the ninja would be willing to pay a ransom for you not to shoot the wrecks. What would a 'fair' price for each wreck be?
Zanaraxtarus Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.03 12:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Nonnosa Originally by: Sader Rykane Why don't you just shoot the wrecks? Something I'll never understand really. Another idea is to see if the ninja would be willing to pay a ransom for you not to shoot the wrecks. What would a 'fair' price for each wreck be? How about 5 whiny carebear tears PER wreck... Seeing as how we usually get at least 10 per wreck, this would both save you carebears some work crying and save us from having to loot/salvage EVERY SINGLE wreck to get all those tears... --Zan--
Riedle Minmatar Raptus Regalitor	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Drakarin They only exist because I destroyed them. Irrelevant. They aren't yours anyway. For destroying the ships, you are rewarded with bounties and loot. Salvage is not part of the package. Quote: They are a resource I created. They are EXACTLY the same thing as loot, merely requiring a skill to obtain it (which makes it even closer to being like mining, a real profession). Loot is created by activating a weapon on a ship ù you need a weapon skill to do this. Salvage is created by activating a salvager on a wreck ù you need a salvaging skill to do this. So yes, in that respect, salvage is exactly like loot: you have to earn it by creating it. Notice, however, that shooting a ship does not create salvage ù salvaging does. Therefore, if you're not the one who activates the salvager, the salvage isn't yours because you haven't earned it. Quote: If you can't steal loot, you shouldn't be able to steal salvage. You can steal salvage the exact same way you steal loot: by taking it out of someone else's can, or by taking it from their smouldering remains. If you don't want your salvage stolen, you shouldn't jettison it to begin with. Quote: I mean seriously, if the loot on the wreck belongs to me, the salvage does too. Because salvage is loot too. No. Salvage is salvage, loot is loot. How can this be so hard to understand? You didn't work for the salvage so you didn't earn it so it isn't yours. Very simple. +3 Internetz to you!
Ata Girl	Posted - 2009.11.03 13:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Nonnosa Originally by: Sader Rykane Why don't you just shoot the wrecks? Something I'll never understand really. Another idea is to see if the ninja would be willing to pay a ransom for you not to shoot the wrecks. What would a 'fair' price for each wreck be? brilliant! Didn't think about that one. Have to fit a gun thou... Could be quite fun. Missionner shots the wrecks so you don't get them, and you shot wrecks too because he didn't pay
Vigo Larcen Dark Claw Raiders	Posted - 2009.11.03 16:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Ivanna Nuke Because a fairy panda from the coconut plains of the gingerbread people will come and eat your ship. That's not funny. My CNR died that way. But yeah, I agree. Shoot the wrecks. Especially when you're using faction torps. That really shows those pesky ninjas who's the boss!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.11.03 17:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Sader Rykane Why don't you just shoot the wrecks? Something I'll never understand really. because I wasn't planning on looting or salvaging them anyways?
N00byn00blar	Posted - 2009.11.03 18:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker As a sometimes ninja, I can confirm that when the mission runner blows up the wrecks, it is very pleasing to the ninja. Because that is the action of a sad, butthurt mission runner. I will often stay to the end and force the runner to shoot every single wreck. If you really want to defeat the ninja, ignore him. As I suspected, but straight from the horses mouth. It's basically just a method for griefing/ass-hattery, not a profession as such. The soul point is to annoy/irritate with the fatade of "it's just internet pixels". Very goon imho.



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