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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.11 20:52:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Dumb Jerk
With Noir having dealt out 5 billion+ damage in 4 days..
10 Bil 
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.11 20:54:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Orb Lati
Originally by: Doddy
stuff
my stuff
More stuff
I wasn't arguing right and wrong, just semantics.
Your terms were "150m upfront, 50% damage on completion. Default is a week, if we exceed your budget let me know and we'll end early"
My comment is just that you cant apply the 50% damage fee until you complete the contract which was a week long. IF sick just said he wasn't intending to pay then you would you not be still be obligated to wait a week before applying the 50%?
However I concede mid-contract period in quoted convo "Sick Boy > our budget was 2 billion isk" effectively ending the contract as per the agreement therefore contract complete.
Now here's is some fun.
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Sick Boy
2009.10.14 01:48
well there is a specific target, we want everyone killed in this system or surrounding systems. so when you ready to start the campaign, have the men move to x-7omu our home system. we basically want all of the kills done within 2 jumps from here
Sickboy of Maru'Kage has setup the contract objective to include Maru'Kage within the list of the acceptable targets, and at no time since then (in the quoted dialog) has anybody refined the target list or removed Maru'Kage from that list 
Finally thought.
In dealing with contracts I believe common law the following applies.
"Minors and the mentally incompetent lack the legal capacity to enter into contracts."
Obviously Sickboy falls within this definition and therefore this contact should be deemed Void.
NOIR should stop victimizing poor Maru'Kage, and taking advantage those that cant take care of themselves. 
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Raiiden
Gallente
Unknown-Entity
Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.11 21:04:00 -
[153]
After Sick Boy reached an agreement with aleks, noir contacted a tcf gang to help them pod a couple of new MK members. then smacked in local about it...
now if i take this observation, and combine it with, first thing this morning, prior to aleks trying to raise the price, by a very short period of time, one of my asosciates informing me that TFS(who are connected to noir) will be taking out a contract on us for (specifically for some reason the figure was given) 1.5 billion a week, and were looking for a staging point in dekklin... it looks a little bit like these two were trying to collaborate in some coercive type ****. lol.
thats my customer experience review, you can put it in your box.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2009.11.11 21:19:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Raiiden
After Sick Boy reached an agreement with aleks, noir contacted a tcf gang to help them pod a couple of new MK members. then smacked in local about it...
now if i take this observation, and combine it with, first thing this morning, prior to aleks trying to raise the price, by a very short period of time, one of my asosciates informing me that TFS(who are connected to noir) will be taking out a contract on us for (specifically for some reason the figure was given) 1.5 billion a week, and were looking for a staging point in dekklin... it looks a little bit like these two were trying to collaborate in some coercive type ****. lol.
thats my customer experience review, you can put it in your box.
Too bad no one cares 
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.11 21:33:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Raiiden
After Sick Boy reached an agreement with aleks, noir contacted a tcf gang to help them pod a couple of new MK members. then smacked in local about it...
now if i take this observation, and combine it with, first thing this morning, prior to aleks trying to raise the price, by a very short period of time, one of my asosciates informing me that TFS(who are connected to noir) will be taking out a contract on us for (specifically for some reason the figure was given) 1.5 billion a week, and were looking for a staging point in dekklin... it looks a little bit like these two were trying to collaborate in some coercive type ****. lol.
I would love to play on the server you do.
A. I took Maru off the black list
B. Mailed the mercs decing you about retracting
C. You reset us, there for are not blue, and we're NBSI. Go cry about it.
D. TCF shot us, we have no connection to them.
E. TFS offered isk to us not to leave Pure.
F. What's Deklein have to do with anything lol
For the record, Sick Boy declined my comprimise offer of 3bn (lower than mentioned in this thread) in favor of a 2bn comprimise where i lifted the pressure to not accepting contracts from him and from empire decs on Maru. Upon receipt of his ISK i did the aforementioned things intermediately.
Noir. is now on a short R+R in Pure Blind along with some friends who were already on the way up here. We're already up here and have no job yet lined up so we'll be killing everything not blue in the region till i figure out where we're going next.
Maru Ka'ge will no doubt be one of the groups discomforted by our presence but that's 0.0 for you. We're not blue with them, and I think everyone in this thread would agree we owe them no special treatment. I have no doubt some people will still want to attack MK on principle for attempting what they did or because, quite frankly, they arn't very good at making friends which has nothing to do with us.
We will not be accepting contracts from MK, Raiiden, or Sick Boy for reasons you may be able to surmise from this thread but those reasons are ours and ours alone. Any merc corp should feel free to enter into business with them if they so wish.
That is Noir.'s statement, probably our last on the matter.
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Taram Caldar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.11 21:39:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Raiiden
After Sick Boy reached an agreement with aleks, noir contacted a tcf gang to help them pod a couple of new MK members. then smacked in local about it...
now if i take this observation, and combine it with, first thing this morning, prior to aleks trying to raise the price, by a very short period of time, one of my asosciates informing me that TFS(who are connected to noir) will be taking out a contract on us for (specifically for some reason the figure was given) 1.5 billion a week, and were looking for a staging point in dekklin... it looks a little bit like these two were trying to collaborate in some coercive type ****. lol.
thats my customer experience review, you can put it in your box.
LOL actually we were as surprised by the TCF gang as you were. Had I known a TCF gang was going to hot drop you I'd have warped to the station and bubbled your idiot fleet shooting the TCF Hic sitting outside then docked immediately and listened to the tears as your entire fleet (which was agressed) died.
The honest truth is there was a TCF Hic in system, sitting outside your station and you proceeded to undock a bunch of battleships, and a couple caps, to shoot at it. TCF responded by cyno bridging a fleet on your heads. Had nothing to do with us.
Though we did find it rather hillarious.
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VALICSHADOWRAT
Minmatar
Unknown-Entity
Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.11 21:47:00 -
[157]
Wow!!! thats all I have to say..
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Knuckle Shuffle
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:00:00 -
[158]
Give him the isk Sickboy,you welched on a deal
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RedSplat
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:08:00 -
[159]
I get R&R with TFS?
Score 
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:11:00 -
[160]
I <3 this thread
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FU22
Imperium Signal Corps
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.11.11 22:14:00 -
[161]
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
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Roastedpot
Blutkinder
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Posted - 2009.11.11 23:34:00 -
[162]
Maru'Kage should hire f-off, it is a perfect situation. f-off won't actually complete their end of the contract, and Maru'Kage won't pay their end, it is win-win for both sides!
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Daniel Ogden
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Posted - 2009.11.11 23:38:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Daniel Ogden on 11/11/2009 23:44:36
EDIT: ---------------------------Maru Ka'ge Official Statement----------------------
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
A. I took Maru off the black list
B. Mailed the mercs decing you about retracting
C. You reset us, there for are not blue, and we're NBSI. Go cry about it.
D. TCF shot us, we have no connection to them.
E. TFS offered isk to us not to leave Pure.
F. What's Deklein have to do with anything lol
For the record, Sick Boy declined my comprimise offer of 3bn (lower than mentioned in this thread) in favor of a 2bn comprimise where i lifted the pressure to not accepting contracts from him and from empire decs on Maru. Upon receipt of his ISK i did the aforementioned things intermediately.
Noir. is now on a short R+R in Pure Blind along with some friends who were already on the way up here. We're already up here and have no job yet lined up so we'll be killing everything not blue in the region till i figure out where we're going next.
Maru Ka'ge will no doubt be one of the groups discomforted by our presence but that's 0.0 for you. We're not blue with them, and I think everyone in this thread would agree we owe them no special treatment. I have no doubt some people will still want to attack MK on principle for attempting what they did or because, quite frankly, they arn't very good at making friends which has nothing to do with us.
We will not be accepting contracts from MK, Raiiden, or Sick Boy for reasons you may be able to surmise from this thread but those reasons are ours and ours alone. Any merc corp should feel free to enter into business with them if they so wish.
That is Noir.'s statement, probably our last on the matter.
The original contract was to grief Mutiny and camp them in, part of that was killing people in the surrounding systems. You guys did a great job of killing in the surrounding systems but dropped the ball on Mutiny, which was the reason for the contract in the first place.
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
We did a good faith effort to kill your preferred targets when we saw them
The problem is you made very meager attempts to actually put yourself in a position to see them. We wanted them to be camped in to ROIR and for you to make their life hell. You rarely had manpower in the system at all to the point where it was easy for Mutiny to move a large part of their assets into low sec. This is clearly evidenced on your own killboard.
64 million ISK destroyed during the campaign in the target system. ThatÆs your ægood faithÆ? Clearly you had the capability to do much, much better. Why such lackluster performance in our target system? Why only 11 ships killed for the target alliance if you were making such a good faith effort? I can assure you that there were plenty of them around to shoot.
So why didnÆt you go after them as was discussed? Was it because you had an evemail that said 50% of everything killed within 2 jumps and you knew you could do whatever you wanted in the area, our previously discussed targets and goals for the campaign be damned and charge us out the ass for it? Is it any wonder why we thought you were trying to extort us? (Now we know you are due to your continued efforts to extort 5 billion after a compromise was reached) This really doesnÆt speak too well for your merc corp if you just turn a blind eye to the objectives and do whatever is necessary to make the most ISK for your group. Granted, the point of a merc organization is to make ISK but surely you would try to at least accomplish the task you were hired for if you are going to present such a large tab.
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Daniel Ogden
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Posted - 2009.11.11 23:43:00 -
[164]
continued...
You deliberately tried to take advantage of this situation and when we called you on it you decided to post very carefully chosen pieces of chat logs to make yourself look completely faultless. Calling all your buddies down here to try and muscle the obscene bill out of us really doesnÆt reflect well on your outfit either or you personally, someone who is running for CSM.
We have said the whole time that we would like to come to an agreement on what is fair considering the fact that you abandoned our target system to go stomp on NC in the neighboring systems. 2bln seems more than fair considering your abandonment of the objective and furthermore, is an amount that you agreed to. After that you are still trying to get 5 bln out of us? Really? What makes you think that this is honest or fair at all? You failed your objectives and tried to extort us and then you say æletÆs be done with itÆ take 2 bln and carry on like you didnÆt just make an agreement, with the exception of saying
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
A. I took Maru off the black list
B. Mailed the mercs decing you about retracting
Yet in the same post you say your buddies are coming anyways? You still have an active campaign against us on your own killboard and you are still requesting 5bln, even after taking 2bln and settling the subject according to yourself. Hardly just sitting around 0.0 like you claim, although if that is what you in fact intend to do great, letÆs have some pew pew. As it stands now though thatÆs not whatÆs going on. You are still trying to extort us for 5 billion ISK.
We were not impressed with your lack of focus and arguably complete disregard for our target system and alliance. That aside we never at any point desired to scam you and were willing to come to an agreement, which we did (that we includes you). The contract is done and paid in full as far as we are concerned and according to your personal word. The 2bln was to pay for the contract and that in turn was to rescind the black list, etc. You sir, are the scammer as it stands at this moment due to your continued efforts to extort a further 5bln from MK, and it reflects quite poorly on your group. Unless things change I would recommend that anyone considering hiring NOIR look for other options.
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IHaveNoFace
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Posted - 2009.11.12 00:06:00 -
[165]
U Mad?
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 00:19:00 -
[166]
Daniel, you seem like an intelligent chap so please try and think forward and consider the consequences of continuing to draw attention to this matter any further.
The situation is very clear to people reading this thread, and damage control at this late stage is too little, too late.
Although you do present a very well thought out and coherent case, it is not based upon fact in it's entirety, therefore it will fall on deaf ears.
I salute your persistance however, and assure you that we are not "calling anyone in".
If, whilst we are on R&R, people are drawn to this thread and decide to visit Pure Blind then there is little we can do about it.
Hence my initial comment.
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Eos Canon
Comply Or Die
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 00:24:00 -
[167]
Tears
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Daniel Ogden
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Posted - 2009.11.12 00:38:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Daniel, you seem like an intelligent chap so please try and think forward and consider the consequences of continuing to draw attention to this matter any further.
The situation is very clear to people reading this thread, and damage control at this late stage is too little, too late.
Although you do present a very well thought out and coherent case, it is not based upon fact in it's entirety, therefore it will fall on deaf ears.
I salute your persistance however, and assure you that we are not "calling anyone in".
If, whilst we are on R&R, people are drawn to this thread and decide to visit Pure Blind then there is little we can do about it.
Hence my initial comment.
I am only drawing attention to it until it is resolved. As previously stated the contract is finished as far as we are concerned due to the agreement reached by MK and Noir. The problem lies in the fact that what appeared to be true 24 hours ago, that Noir is trying to extort MK, still appears to be true at the this time. As soon as it is clear that is no longer your intent our official position will change to reflect that.
What part of my case is not based on fact? You should follow a statement like that with some substance. We aren't trying to be DBs here but we are not gonna get played for 5bln. It's just not gonna happen.
If you are just here on R&R then I'm sure we will have some fun tonight, we aren't afraid to lose some ships in pew pew, but your consistent efforts and talk about getting 5bln after we reached a compromise are not very becoming of a professional organization such as Noir and it will not be paid.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:05:00 -
[169]
Originally by: FU22
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
wtf, when did you left?
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:14:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: FU22
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
wtf, when did you left?
He was kicked for being too British. :(
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:17:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Daniel Ogden
stuff
Quote:
2009.10.14 01:48
well there is a specific target, we want everyone killed in this system or surrounding systems. so when you ready to start the campaign, have the men move to x-7omu our home system. we basically want all of the kills done within 2 jumps from here
Quote:
2009.11.02 08:45
when you guys are ready i want you guys to base out of ROIR and kill Everyone in that system and camp them
YARRRR!!
2009.11.02 17:16
ok sounds good
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2009.11.02 12:44
Np, but i'd add ROIR and all adjacent systems to your bill in addition to the X-7 + 2 jumps
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:22:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: FU22
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
wtf, when did you left?
He was kicked for being too British. :(
too British? how can that be possible?
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FU22
Imperium Signal Corps
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:22:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: FU22
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
wtf, when did you left?
He was kicked for being too British. :(
dddddd
Too welsh
*glares at Nidia*
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:27:00 -
[174]
Originally by: FU22
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: FU22
I demand moar drama!
Hi alek
wtf, when did you left?
He was kicked for being too British. :(
dddddd
Too welsh
*glares at Nidia*
oh wait, now that's possible.
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Rayn Zelous
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:31:00 -
[175]
Good show lads nice read
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2009.11.12 01:48:00 -
[176]
sick boy singing IRL
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Elno Wildclaw
BENEVOLENC3
Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.12 02:02:00 -
[177]
Daniel, shut the hell up. Seriously. This isn't CAOD, people don't look at 3 threads about the same crap and say, 'oh, silly Maru Ka'ge!' I'll chew your head off on vent too. Honestly, here, this is a diplomatic cluster **** where mercenaries were hired for a job that our own pilots could have easily accomplished (though with the intelligence of some pilots, even THAT'S debatable) and when the bill came up it was more than Sick Boy had planned for, and was too poor to afford. It was a miscalculation on Sick Boy's part to hire mercs in the first place, and it was a miscommunication that caused the conflict. Of course, Noir is continuing to attack Maru Ka'ge pilots and the wardec from another corp has yet to be dropped yet even after the matter has supposedly been resolved, but there is no need for multiple threads to be about it, and Maru Ka'ge pilots who are crapping up Crime and Punishment need to let the matter drop immediately and get back to ratting in ****ty NPC space or running missions in highsec.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.12 02:28:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 12/11/2009 02:30:19
Well, all i can say is i think you should have made a better contract. Perhaps maybe hore some "cheaper mercs"
2 bill sounds ok to me for a weeks work, but this sort of thing isn't my forte
EDIT: Causing trouble with the peeps you hired to beat off your enemies when you couldn't do it yourself whilst insulting their business practice is not a good idea. Prepared to have a "special interest group" |
Lieff
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.12 02:29:00 -
[179]
4038 kills, 4456 losses, and -3311 points
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Hoodat Bee
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Posted - 2009.11.12 02:39:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin
EDIT: Causing trouble with the peeps you hired to beat off your enemies when you couldn't do it yourself whilst insulting their business practice is not a good idea. Prepared to have a "special interest group"
Nothing makes a special interest group come like beating off your enemies.
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