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Daniel Ogden	Posted - 2009.11.12 02:58:00 - [181] Originally by: Elno Wildclaw Daniel, shut the hell up. Seriously. This isn't CAOD, people don't look at 3 threads about the same crap and say, 'oh, silly Maru Ka'ge!' I'll chew your head off on vent too. Honestly, here, this is a diplomatic cluster ** where mercenaries were hired for a job that our own pilots could have easily accomplished (though with the intelligence of some pilots, even THAT'S debatable) and when the bill came up it was more than Sick Boy had planned for, and was too poor to afford. It was a miscalculation on Sick Boy's part to hire mercs in the first place, and it was a miscommunication that caused the conflict. Of course, Noir is continuing to attack Maru Ka'ge pilots and the wardec from another corp has yet to be dropped yet even after the matter has supposedly been resolved, but there is no need for multiple threads to be about it, and Maru Ka'ge pilots who are crapping up Crime and Punishment need to let the matter drop immediately and get back to ratting in **ty NPC space or running missions in highsec. Elno, You are out of place with your post. There is only one other thread to be deleted when the 5bln is dropped as discussed. Other posts are either being started by people who ought not to be doing so or people trying to make us look bad. We have a valid point and it is a simple one. While I agree with many (nearly all) your points, we can discuss that later. If you think you need to "chew my head off in vent" you can do that too.You are quite right, this is not CAOD. Please stop posting, it is not your job. If you disagree then talk to me in game or on vent. This is not the place for it.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:34:00 - [182] Originally by: Daniel Ogden Calling all your buddies down here to try and muscle the obscene bill out of us really doesnÆt reflect well on your outfit either or you personally, someone who is running for CSM. I don't know about you .. but I'd rather have someone like Alekseyev Karrde as CSM than someone like Sick Boy BTW your tears are delicious .... mmmmmm Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:35:00 - [183] Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 12/11/2009 03:44:28 Elno's post, Daniel's post and some earlier convos from individuals in Maru Ka'ge lead me to believe MK has some very intelligent and capable players in it. They just arn't allow to lead the alliance. ;p As far as the decs, i sent EVE mails dont know if they've been received yet. Bit out of my hands at that point. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Daniel Ogden	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:47:00 - [184] Edited by: Daniel Ogden on 12/11/2009 03:48:03 Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde As far as the decs, i sent EVE mails dont know if they've been received yet. Bit out of my hands at that point. I understand that. Here is what we are concerned about. Well after we reached our agreement there were pilots that were still demanding 5 bln from MK. If their thinking was not in concert with the leadership of Noir, all I need is confirmation from you and this thing is quashed.
a51 duke1406 Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:48:00 - [185] The war between Underworld Excavators and Maru Ka'ge is coming to an end. Underworld Excavators has retracted the war against Maru Ka'ge. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Razzor Death Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:52:00 - [186] Seeming as there doing a deliberate attempt to ruin your name via the means of alts all over c&p, why are you dropping war decs ?
The Wicked1	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:55:00 - [187] tl;dr: -> Mk hires Noir. with a guy that obviously limited knowledge when it comes to typing and English grammar -> Noir. does an astounding job -> MK thinks this GAME is the Real world and goes crying that Noir. is a bad bully for doing such a good job and refuses to pay -> Noir., ofcourse, goes public with the news to warn other Merc companies about MK, and possibly to pressure MK to pay. -> MK, still crying, doesn't think the treatment its getting is fair, remind you this is a GAME, even though Noir. has never done anything wrong regarding this contract. -> Noir. and MK get to an agreement, where Noir. does an incredibly kind thing and gives its services away dirt cheap and tries to help MK to fix its reputation by asking other Merc companies to take them of the blacklist, which is one of two things that Merc companies can leverage against customers that refuse to pay I take it -> Still MK cries! For all these people out there that get fixated by grammatical errors know now that I am from Iceland so I have no obligation to write perfectly constructed sentences or paragraphs in English. I am though required, like most of the habitants of the Internet (is: Veraldarvefurinn), to use the return and space buttons on my keyboard once in a while while writing. Remember kids; one space a day, keeps PL away!
The'Best Hellfury Incura	Posted - 2009.11.12 04:04:00 - [188] Quote: 4038 kills, 4456 losses, and -3311 points ALEKSEYEV KARRDE FOR CSM
Razzor Death Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 04:27:00 - [189] LOOK WHAT YOU DID
imorax Gallente Cosmic Cimmerians	Posted - 2009.11.12 04:33:00 - [190] Outstanding forum pew pew! Didn't like the CSM part though.
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.11.12 05:07:00 - [191] ...and Maru Ka'ge went back to CAOD, never to be heard from in c&p again...
Fairah	Posted - 2009.11.12 05:52:00 - [192] bump +1
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.12 08:31:00 - [193] Originally by: Sick Boy Originally by: Count MonteCarlo How the hell can an alliance leader not afford 5b? its TUESDAY count, 5billion for 4 days work? That's insane man. No way would a person of sound mind agree to that To me, looks like you tried to flirt cash about, make yourself and alliance look like something special. "Yeh we got the best mercs working for us out there", and then can't actually pay what you agreed. It's kinda expected of you guys right now though, so I'm not that shocked.
im inur	Posted - 2009.11.12 11:12:00 - [194] sick boy WTF IS PROTUS
dracice R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.11.12 11:33:00 - [195] alex, dunno if you are still reading this thread, i watched your rise as a ceo from the time you started. some advice: use chribba, especially for shady people like maru kage. i guess you know how he works, if not here it is. prior to going to chribba you guys work out your deal. then when you go the convo with you chribba and maru it would look like.... maru: i want to hire noir, these are the isk arrangements, and the conditions on which the isk is to be released. noir: confirms the arrangement. maru xfers the isk to chribba who holds it, and confirms he has received it. you go on your campaign knowing with confidence that once your goals are complete chribba will release the isk. usually the lest work or confirmation chribba has to do on his own, the less his fee, so for something involving a contract where neither of you is scamming each other, and the deal goes smooth, it could be 100. if it involves him having to go to the area or look at documentation to mediate a dispute of the deal then it would involve more.
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.12 11:48:00 - [196] Originally by: dracice alex, dunno if you are still reading this thread, i watched your rise as a ceo from the time you started. some advice: use chribba, especially for shady people like maru kage. i guess you know how he works, if not here it is. prior to going to chribba you guys work out your deal. then when you go the convo with you chribba and maru it would look like.... maru: i want to hire noir, these are the isk arrangements, and the conditions on which the isk is to be released. noir: confirms the arrangement. maru xfers the isk to chribba who holds it, and confirms he has received it. you go on your campaign knowing with confidence that once your goals are complete chribba will release the isk. usually the lest work or confirmation chribba has to do on his own, the less his fee, so for something involving a contract where neither of you is scamming each other, and the deal goes smooth, it could be 100. if it involves him having to go to the area or look at documentation to mediate a dispute of the deal then it would involve more. I wouldn't have thought a well respected merc corp that is know for getting the job done where ever they are needed would need a 3rd party to back them up. If Alex would have followed my advice we would now be discussing who Noir will be selling Maru's space too now that they have disbanded... Be glad I do not control Noir.. yet.. Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
dracice R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.11.12 11:49:00 - [197] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 11/11/2009 21:49:54 Originally by: Raiiden After Sick Boy reached an agreement with aleks, noir contacted a tcf gang to help them pod a couple of new MK members. then smacked in local about it... now if i take this observation, and combine it with, first thing this morning, prior to aleks trying to raise the price, by a very short period of time, one of my asosciates informing me that TFS(who are connected to noir) will be taking out a contract on us for (specifically for some reason the figure was given) 1.5 billion a week, and were looking for a staging point in dekklin... it looks a little bit like these two were trying to collaborate in some coercive type ****. lol. I would love to play on the server you do. i can confirm raiiden is always high, which is why u are wondering if he plays on the same server.
dracice R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.11.12 11:58:00 - [198] Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: dracice alex, dunno if you are still reading this thread, i watched your rise as a ceo from the time you started. some advice: use chribba, especially for shady people like maru kage. i guess you know how he works, if not here it is. prior to going to chribba you guys work out your deal. then when you go the convo with you chribba and maru it would look like.... maru: i want to hire noir, these are the isk arrangements, and the conditions on which the isk is to be released. noir: confirms the arrangement. maru xfers the isk to chribba who holds it, and confirms he has received it. you go on your campaign knowing with confidence that once your goals are complete chribba will release the isk. usually the lest work or confirmation chribba has to do on his own, the less his fee, so for something involving a contract where neither of you is scamming each other, and the deal goes smooth, it could be 100. if it involves him having to go to the area or look at documentation to mediate a dispute of the deal then it would involve more. I wouldn't have thought a well respected merc corp that is know for getting the job done where ever they are needed would need a 3rd party to back them up. If Alex would have followed my advice we would now be discussing who Noir will be selling Maru's space too now that they have disbanded... Be glad I do not control Noir.. yet.. lana, NOIR doesnt need it because they are not well respected, they NEED it to protected THEMSELVES from people who would want to defraud them. I do not think a big alliance would or someone 'trustworthy' in eve like minigin for e.g. however, sick boy? maru kage? definitely hire a third party to hold your isk. so once again, they need the third party to protect themselves.
Serlunt	Posted - 2009.11.12 12:08:00 - [199] Originally by: dracice Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: dracice alex, dunno if you are still reading this thread, i watched your rise as a ceo from the time you started. some advice: use chribba, especially for shady people like maru kage. i guess you know how he works, if not here it is. prior to going to chribba you guys work out your deal. then when you go the convo with you chribba and maru it would look like.... maru: i want to hire noir, these are the isk arrangements, and the conditions on which the isk is to be released. noir: confirms the arrangement. maru xfers the isk to chribba who holds it, and confirms he has received it. you go on your campaign knowing with confidence that once your goals are complete chribba will release the isk. usually the lest work or confirmation chribba has to do on his own, the less his fee, so for something involving a contract where neither of you is scamming each other, and the deal goes smooth, it could be 100. if it involves him having to go to the area or look at documentation to mediate a dispute of the deal then it would involve more. I wouldn't have thought a well respected merc corp that is know for getting the job done where ever they are needed would need a 3rd party to back them up. If Alex would have followed my advice we would now be discussing who Noir will be selling Maru's space too now that they have disbanded... Be glad I do not control Noir.. yet.. lana, NOIR doesnt need it because they are not well respected, they NEED it to protected THEMSELVES from people who would want to defraud them. I do not think a big alliance would or someone 'trustworthy' in eve like minigin for e.g. however, sick boy? maru kage? definitely hire a third party to hold your isk. so once again, they need the third party to protect themselves. I think lana was trying to say that NOIR's guns and missles are their 3rd party.
Dracoknight The Directorate	Posted - 2009.11.12 12:17:00 - [200] I volunteer to be this "Isk Holder" person! I hold your isk any time, anywhere, and anyho as long as i get 10% of it for the service ofcourse ;) ____________________ I wish my Thorax could use missiles...
Kasahnya	Posted - 2009.11.12 12:29:00 - [201] Did you (rep from MK) not say that you wanted to kill everyone in a 2 jump span?
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.11.12 16:07:00 - [202] Originally by: Serlunt I think lana was trying to say that NOIR's guns and missles are their 3rd party. Although I am now curious. Anyone in the third party business care to chime in and inform the masses about what kind of (probably very reasonable) service fees and percentages they charge for such an arrangement? -- Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
RedSplat Noir.	Posted - 2009.11.12 16:18:00 - [203] Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Although I am now curious. Anyone in the third party business care to chime in and inform the masses about what kind of (probably very reasonable) service fees and percentages they charge for such an arrangement? Its the weirdest franchise in EVE for sure, in a game where no-one trusts anyone. I'd love Chribba to write an article about his business sometime. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
dracice R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.11.12 16:42:00 - [204] let me give you my example. recently i sold a wormhole with some assets. the buyer took the buy out as per forum. and me and him chatted about the terms of him authorizing chribba to release the isk. would be confirmation of all the assets im selling and i have to unanchor them so he can scoop them and move them to safety. so i did nothing such as scan him into the wormhole prior to him giving the isk to chribba. chribba didnt charge much because he didnt have to do much, he just provided both of us with the confidence that we were going to get what we wanted. but if the buyer had said well i scammed him AFTER i scanned the wormhole entrace for him and told him and he came in, chribba would now have to travel and verify whats going on, and if the buyer is lying his isk would be forfeit.
Cadaverous Stench	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:39:00 - [205] God damn, I love these forums. Never ending entertainment.
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.12 21:44:00 - [206] How did I not see this thread? It's a think of beauty
mishkof Caldari Hmmzor.	Posted - 2009.11.13 07:02:00 - [207] Case of a dumb contract being accepted by an even dumber person.
Bai ZongTong HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.13 07:08:00 - [208] Originally by: Roastedpot Maru'Kage should hire f-off, it is a perfect situation. f-off won't actually complete their end of the contract, and Maru'Kage won't pay their end, it is win-win for both sides! HYDRA RELOADED 2009: APPLY TODAY. JOIN THE WINNING SIDE.
Raiiden Gallente Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.13 07:27:00 - [209] roflmao!!!! noir your campaign stats aint lookin so hot! roflmao MK 4 LYFE WE DONT DIE WE MULTIPLY and bring moar merc friends we're makin merc smores b*#$@S!!! One image per signature please. Zymurgist
Sick Boy Minmatar Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.13 08:28:00 - [210] Originally by: Raiiden roflmao!!!! noir your campaign stats aint lookin so hot! roflmao MK 4 LYFE WE DONT DIE WE MULTIPLY and bring moar merc friends we're makin merc smores b*#$@S!!! interesting reads on these forums. far as i know, i sat in a room with the NOIR leader Alek and we came to a comprimise, next thing i know the guy turns around and is forming campaign against us. He's not the honorable leader i thought he was

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