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SJ02
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:34:00 -
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Seems like most people who have an issue with STO are the PVP people who want to be able to kill people who aren't there to fight...
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: SJ02 Seems like most people who have an issue with STO are the PVP people who want to be able to kill people who aren't there to fight...
I call it a valid issue. Why should Cryptic make their game a safe haven from those who want to be able to prey upon others?
And why are you playing EVE in the first place if that is what you want, to have your hand held by the developer? |
SJ02
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
Originally by: SJ02 Seems like most people who have an issue with STO are the PVP people who want to be able to kill people who aren't there to fight...
I call it a valid issue. Why should Cryptic make their game a safe haven from those who want to be able to prey upon others?
And why are you playing EVE in the first place if that is what you want, to have your hand held by the developer?
Well, me personally, am playing eve because I like the idea of a space mmo and this is the best available. That being said I'd like to play a game with a story, I don't want to fight other people or worry about getting slaughtered while I'm doing something else. If I want to fight someone I'll play COD or something similar.
I'm not sure why people who want to prey on others are upset or confused when the prey don't want to be preyed on. It would be akin to asking them to play missions and not complain about it.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:26:00 -
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Not all of those who don't find STO that appealing are out to attack those who don't wish to fight, maybe we just don't want to play a game where we have to wear pyjamas in space.
Bit of an assumption there I would say, sweeping generalization and all that. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Taladool
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Souverainiste Hi,
First of all, I love eve and will continue playing.
BUT, I saw some videos or STO, and I might consider migrating to it. Fact is, there is much more to do (walk in ships, stations, walk and do quests on the surface of many planets), more races, just more stuff to do.
It might be time for CCP to stop laughting at us and give us what we want to add something new. Let us walk in stations, have missions to do inside the said stations (like in mass effect). If STO really gives all those new things, why can't CCP upload it all?
If you don't make a move NOW, I predict you will lose a ton of players that are still playing but dont really know what they could do as they tried everything this game has to offer. Don't let all these players go! New stuff, more players.
Best regards, Souv.
Beta's been a lot of fun so far, but.. its not eve, cant even compare the two.
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SJ02
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana Not all of those who don't find STO that appealing are out to attack those who don't wish to fight, maybe we just don't want to play a game where we have to wear pyjamas in space.
Bit of an assumption there I would say, sweeping generalization and all that.
Are the pajamas's you're wearing in your avatar better? What do you think you'll be wearing if walking in stations ever happens? Jeans? A leather jacket with a skull on it?
And I'm not saying that the fighting things is what everyone is saying I'm just addressing the most common issue. If you don't like the game then fine, doesn't matter one way or the other to me I'm just avoiding work and curious.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:27:00 -
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Hey, these pyjamas are top quality Yeti hair
I enjoyed Star Trek but found it a bit twee in many ways, I haven't really looked at the game much as the premise just doesn't appeal that much, I read some of the features of the game and nothing made me want to give it a go.
Fair enough if people want to try it, go ahead, one of the friends I play EVE with is looking forward to playing it, don't think it will do much to draw countless players from this game though, as the OP is claiming. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
SJ02
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana Hey, these pyjamas are top quality Yeti hair
I enjoyed Star Trek but found it a bit twee in many ways, I haven't really looked at the game much as the premise just doesn't appeal that much, I read some of the features of the game and nothing made me want to give it a go.
Fair enough if people want to try it, go ahead, one of the friends I play EVE with is looking forward to playing it, don't think it will do much to draw countless players from this game though, as the OP is claiming.
I think it will draw a fair number of PVE players from this game as they probably feel kind of ignored as far as content goes. To be fair they are trying to fix this but seems a long way off.
I think this forum gives a pretty uneven bias toward the PVP type person and probably doesn't represent an even sampling.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:01:00 -
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Eve's PvE content is there to help propagate the PvP. Eve is a PvP game after all, and nothing else.
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Ugoth Dhorvak
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:38:00 -
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Worst thing about STO?
THE RABID FANS.
Just wait until you hear them speaking fluent Klingon to each other.
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Baneken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:49:00 -
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Remember what happened to other (wowish fantasy) game with fanatic fan base, lots of players etc, exellent background for PvP etc. Yeah developers dropped the ball and it flopped as did the certain other hyped up fantasy game based on Hyboria. So leasson learned never trust an mmorpg to be good until a month or two after initial release. I'll definetly give STO a shot since it's one of the few and the proud scifi mmorpg's out there but I have my reservations from my past experiencies with mmorpg's.
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2009.12.18 23:10:00 -
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Only way to get me to download STO and try it out is if they made it PVP based and told me yes, I can own and fly a Bird of Prey, decloak and unload on someone, take thier **** and make em cry.
I think as a general rule of thumb those that PVE don't understand the true meaning of player driven content. With PvP and Player Driven Content, you don't have to wait for a new expansion, or grind through instances to get a story. The story is what you make, and sometimes the story comes to you whether you like it or not.
One thing that I would like to see happen with EVE is maybe pulling an Ultima Online and getting a team of RP GM's together and make some storyline waves. Like in ultima I remember this global event where the GM's began a campain of fear and dominion when an evil army swept across the land and us players PVE, PVP, and Pirates pretty much had to band together and defend our respective areas. Some towns were overrun and others were able to hold out. I had a hoot with that one. We managed to hold out for like 3 weeks until we were over run. I managed to escape with a group that heard rumors that X town was still fighting, but got screwed when we arrived onyl to find the town sacked and over run three days earlier.
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.12.18 23:28:00 -
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EVE storyline > Star Trek storyline, imho _________________ rawr |
Misanthra
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Wrexx Eve's PvE content is there to help propagate the PvP. Eve is a PvP game after all, and nothing else.
Basically....when you lose a fit crow and and a fit drake all in one weekend, got to make money back somehow lol. All I really care about are the resists I need on the mission description. Who needs storyline. Just tell me its against gallente or not so I can deny the mission since I am borderline shoot on site with diplomacy trained a bit.
Why have a storyline that can't change anything. 40000 people roll klingon, 500 roll federation....not like STO is gonna reflect that (federation be reduced to one pve system in a month if carebears missioned hard and storyline actaully has an impact on game lol). Eve just bypasses the whole matter...farm to buy cnr's or farm to pay for pvp loses and upgrades as you qual for the good ships like hac and better fitments. Want storyline and "endgame" in eve....come to null sec. Heres your storyline and endgame....play well as a team, learn and deal with politics, be on as many ops as you can or in week you may lose your system lol.
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Arcelian
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.19 03:10:00 -
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This will definitely cause a huge player loss for eve...I don't care what you say.
10 gajillion subscribers and growing..
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.19 03:15:00 -
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STO will be as massively successful as SWG.
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Helio Amor
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Posted - 2009.12.19 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian sto is yet another pve mmo that will no doubt have risk free win-win pvp tacked on at some point.
i urge you op, to migrate to it, you don't seem to get this game at all.
I fail to see how you people assume this is a carebear change. Your going to sit there and tell me you wouldn't think it cool to see a ship in a corp your at war with dock to avoid death, you dock and jump out of your ship, run over to where he is and gut/gun him? Just because STO may be risk free win-win pvp doesn't mean walking in stations has to be. In FACT you should be MORE at risk seeing as how you don't have a pod, hull, armor, and shields to protect you from attack. I like the idea of WIS, as for quest that needs to stay out of the game as that's why there are missions.
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Davelantor
Caldari The Hunt University World Allegiance of The Hunt
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Posted - 2010.01.18 21:46:00 -
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i read the STO info stuff ... bunch of carebear **** ... respawning ships with everything intact ... even the tea you were drinking before you died confortable knowing you will loose almost nothing worth mentioning.
But .. i agree that CCP has some catching up to do ... not as graphicaly but as making the game a more interesting .. like the idea of planetary fights and ship crews and officers. i mean, i can imagine them all beeing implemented on EvE and it would be awesome.
Walking instation will look like quite a small step when compared to what STO is bringing to MMO universe.
The Hunt |
DrDooma
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Posted - 2010.01.19 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: DrDooma on 19/01/2010 07:35:36 While walking in stations is 'cool' and i am looking forward to it, that is not why I play EVE. Coincidently I also play an FPS, 2D tank game, MTGO a few other games but it does not mean I wish for EVE to incorporate the features of all those games into it self.
I do not play those games because EVE does not have those features. I play them because I like those games.
PS: allowing us to paly Eve strategy card game through EVE client would make a lot of people very happy
edit: spell check
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David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.01.19 15:27:00 -
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STO to me looks kindy lame.
old fashioned graphics
not a true single universe environment - instanced pve and combat situations
like all star trek games i feel this may succumb to the dreaded Star Trek Game curse known as paramount.
yeah they stuck their beak in too many times with previous star trek game titles and ruined what were promising games.
SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.19 15:45:00 -
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Interesting bug my friend found the other night was that he could fly his ship down corridors. Put that into Incarna and it will be utter win ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Mograph
Caldari Doth IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.19 15:49:00 -
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please carebears go and play ST online, it will make eve better without all you whining little tards and if you are reading this you have reached the signature without noticing. |
Alexliea
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Posted - 2010.01.19 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Alexliea on 19/01/2010 16:51:29 I'm in the beta
And let me tell you...
The ground combat is so horrible that I dread ever leaving my ship. The ship to ship combat is pretty fun, I can see myself having fun with it as long as I never have to get out of my ship, except for the fact that on death you have a 10 second respawn timer. Which means you can blow throught content by dying 20 times as long as you take one ship with you, you're making progress which is horible game play tbh. You have to challenge yourself to beat missions without dying because the game allows you to die as many times as you wan and still get full reward with no death penalty except a 10 second wait.
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Septacore
Caldari FERRO CRUZ IND
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Posted - 2010.01.19 17:29:00 -
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hey ccp
I play star trek online beta atm and i have to say you cant compare star trek to eve. Its a total different world. In Eve everything is connected to the market even the PVP part. Also the players are connected to each other since you can get items from other player via their loot. But at the end lets see how Star Trek develops.
what I see is EvE atm:
-no good npc/sleeper missions -> they need to be more exiting and also boost in graphics (hey directx 11 is out). Music & Sound effects needs to be connected to the missions.Also put some ingame game sequences triggers into the mission to play ingame rendered movies and to show player some situation.
-start put in surface/stationary stuff via the ambulation as quickly as possible with some basic options and put that stuff into beta mode so people can switch to ambulation (which wont be connected to current game database in this test phase let them walk around and after some month of hard work you will have a complete game - didnt you say world domination ? I can remember the first waves in eve we went through and we where 4000 players but I think I cant remember about any time where we havent been in a beta - the game changes from week to week :-) -also I thought the guys from white wolf would help you in fixing RPG part of eve so all these crazy npc players come in and play eve. Take 1-2 out of White Wolfs team and put them into the eve project.
and something for star trek
atm it is sh*t compared to eve apart from the mission do this and do that part
thx sept
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Brother Zebulon
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Posted - 2010.01.19 19:14:00 -
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I am a very new player (in my second week). I play EVE due to it runs on my laptop quite well (along with Wow). I am only doing the tutorials and race missions so far trying out multiple races to get the feeling of each race. I do like the game and I am having fun.
STO is a different game, a different franchise and a different feel. It is a well known brand with in normal RL culture, everyones knows about Star Trek. I hope it does well. If people play it so what. They should not be ridiculed for it.
Reading the forums I get the impression that PvE is a dirty word. And anyone who is intereted in it is shouted down and harranged down. In WoW you have a button to note you want to be a PvP bunny. Why not let the people who want to PvE do that. Would it destroy peoples power trip egos to get more players interested through PvE?
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Chakoth
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
Originally by: SJ02 Seems like most people who have an issue with STO are the PVP people who want to be able to kill people who aren't there to fight...
I call it a valid issue. Why should Cryptic make their game a safe haven from those who want to be able to prey upon others?
And why are you playing EVE in the first place if that is what you want, to have your hand held by the developer?
Not everyone get of ganking and griefing other people you know. I play Eve because of its sandbox type, not because I can grief/gank people.
As for STO, yeah CCP should take a look at that game and see how to make space combat more fun. 90% of combat in Eve is about preperation and altough fun in a way it would be alot more fun if you had some of the tactical options of STO. Such as weapon arcs, bridge crew with special abilities, shield facings and I dunno, the ability to see your opponents ship?
Eves combat is among the most boring in any space combat game I have ever played and the sad part is that it has barely changed in 6 years. Wake up CCP and smell the coffe, your subscription levels are fine, but it would not hurt to improve some of the archaic elements of the game, such as more tactical combat. |
amarian arch
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Posted - 2010.01.19 22:32:00 -
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And then out of nowhere earth was enslaved by the Amarrians
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mundus123
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Posted - 2010.01.20 00:23:00 -
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You havnt played eve long have you or pay much attention? Yes incarna has been in the pipe for a long time but thats fine, im sure it will be pretty cool.
And no if anything STO and the other space games will attract some people to space mmo's and then to eve because when you look at the game side by side, theres no competition. The other game developers know tha tand thats why there has yet to be a single game that has tried to directly compet with eve.
BTW how about some more info for on dust or incarna ccp? Even a new dev blog would be nice
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Archeas
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Posted - 2010.01.20 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Archeas on 20/01/2010 00:47:27 I've seen STO beta, and it's a completely different type of game that looks to have more focus on planetary style game play. When it comes to space play, Eve and STO aren't even comparable.
10 lashings.
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Grey Point
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.20 01:46:00 -
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I played in the closed beta, and now the open beta. First few hours were kinda cool, but overall, it is underwhelming.
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