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Testingok	Posted - 2009.11.23 12:54:00 - [1] So, every downtime i get chased through 0.0 by a vaga, im in a frig, and so far evaded him, but i have seen videos of them orbiting outside webrange, how could i nab him? I was thinking going in a covert, curse maybe, getting close, and double webbing, then calling a buddy a few systems out in a raven or something? Or is there another way?
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:00:00 - [2] Be in something decently beefy with enough with enough speed to maneuver a bit. Catching most vaga's isn't that difficult because most people just hit orbit or approach. What you do is burn away from him (doing 1300-1400+ should work) forcing him to react to that and then turn right into him at the right moment and grab him with an overheated scram. Won't catch him every time nor catch all vaga pilots but you will catch the majority, regardless of them posting here in a reply saying it never would. There's always exceptions ofcourse. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Alliance creation service, also corp updates
Gartel Reiman The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:02:00 - [3] Curse should definitely do the job solo. It's pretty much a Vaga's perfect counter - your neuts will deactivate his MWD in one or two cycles, and your TDs will prevent him from being able to do any realy damage to you from beyond web range. A slow Vaga is a dead Vaga - once his MWD deactivates, he'll have no way to dictate range, no way to hit you from the range you maintain, and no way to get rid of your drones (ideally Vespas for the kinetic hole, but any would do). In fact, the problem is that the Curse is so well-suited for this that no Vaga pilot worth his salt is going to want to engage one - as soon as one appears on grid he should be warping out or at least staying >50km away. Dual-neut Domi with MWD can also work in a similar fashion while being less obviously deadly, though you need to get a little bit lucky with regards to the timing of your neut vs. the Vaga's MWD cycle. If he notices he has no cap but a new MWD cycle's just started, he'll have 8-9 seconds of full speed left, easily enough to get out of range and warp. In any case, overloading of MWDs and webs and scrams gives you an extra edge in these sort of encounters.
Testingok	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:17:00 - [4] Ok i see, i guess i should wait for the curse, but if he warps off, i would need to get bait, if i jump in a omen or maller, or something, warp it to planet 5 or whatever, eject, go back and jump in a curse, go into system, and cloak, so he will only see me in local, and 'Testingok's Omen' then wait for him to scan me down and attack the cruiser/frig, then i guess i could jump on him then.
kyrv	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:27:00 - [5] Huggin would web and disrupt with ganglinks it lacks the dps, more of a gang scenario
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:28:00 - [6] DL and watch this movie, specifically from 9:00-9:45. You don't need fancy ships, uber counters or stuff like that. All you need is proper piloting. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Alliance creation service, also corp updates
Rip Striker	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:34:00 - [7] So, you want lure a vagabond into engaging you and then being able to take it out of its misery? I propose a Cerberus with the following fittins. Lows: 3x ballistics, 1x damage control Mids: 2x large shield extenders, mwd, scram, web High: 5x heavy missile launchers, 1x small neut Rigs: 1x ancillary, 1x em resist rig A vaga will most definately engage a single cerberus. Just be ready and keep the mwd and scram overheated in advance while you keep moving with base speed. As soon as he engages you engage back. Rest asured, your dps and tanking will be better than the vagas. Once the vagas shield tank is at 50% you move in at +1800 m/s and surprise him with your overheated scram and web. Rest is cake. Enjoy! :)
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:59:00 - [8] Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately.
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:13:00 - [9] Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. I'd add Drake, not all of them are ratters. A nano cane could be pretty bad news too. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. I'd add Drake, not all of them are ratters. A nano cane could be pretty bad news too. also tarani' once they get beneth your gun tracking and get the scram on you.. you better hope hes too excited to kill off your drones or your screwed!
darkmancer	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:41:00 - [11] One of the minmater af's should do the trick - make sure you can overload, equipe a scrambler, and very importantly have 1/2 nos or a cap injector. Alot of vagas have a neut now. Good luck. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.23 15:08:00 - [12] Edited by: TimMc on 23/11/2009 15:09:57 Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. I'd add Drake, not all of them are ratters. A nano cane could be pretty bad news too. Actually yeah I don't think I would engage alot of BC unless char was a month old, but they are a class above me. Edit: On topic of AFs, an enyo managed to scram and tank my stabber I have killed ishkurs in my vaga, but I would guess they fit point rather than scram.
drake duka	Posted - 2009.11.24 00:57:00 - [13] Thorax is a great counter to vaga IMO. Especially if you use ECM drones- he is screwed. The rax is semi fast but you will need some nice maneuvering and a burned mwd/scram to catch him.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.11.24 01:08:00 - [14] Originally by: drake duka Thorax is a great counter to vaga IMO. Especially if you use ECM drones- he is screwed. The rax is semi fast but you will need some nice maneuvering and a burned mwd/scram to catch him. I was messing about on sisi last month with a Deimos, killed a Curse (!), Vaga and then a Loki one after the other so yeah, a well flown 'rax should be capable. Nobody expects a cap-boosted Deimos to suddenly overload its MWD. It's like a big Taranis, but easier to kill by bigger ships and several times more expensive :( Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces	Posted - 2009.11.24 02:30:00 - [15] Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. Could you explain this one to me. a Rapier has little to no dps, Solo if its got you pointed its within range of being hit by barrage.. and if its not got you pointed but still webbed, it can get out. So why be scared of it... Hell a Taranis can Kill a rapier if its Ab fit, and Can kill the drones fast enough. - Emperor
Smk56	Posted - 2009.11.24 03:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. I'd add Drake, not all of them are ratters. A nano cane could be pretty bad news too. also tarani' once they get beneth your gun tracking and get the scram on you.. you better hope hes too excited to kill off your drones or your screwed! Then you neut them. Then kill them.
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.11.24 04:46:00 - [17] Recon 5, Arazu, True Sansha warp scram. (27km overheated). He probably won't engage though.
Nancyboy	Posted - 2009.11.24 05:19:00 - [18] In my experience a Rapier is not much of a match for a vaga. So what if you get caught? You will out dps the rapier any day of the week even out to 24km with good skills and an ambit rig or two. Not to mention most Rapiers are fitted with 2 LSE II's and as are most Vaga's. You'll bust his tank before he busts yours. I think an experienced taranis pilot can kill a vaga with ease. Tackle the vaga, orbit, pop drones and burn through his tank. I highly doubt the 220's will track or even if he's using 180's, they wont track an orbiting Taranis either.. Also, I've seen a lot of curses with ECM jammers fitted.. A neut ship with ECM's?? Vaga's dont stand a chance...if they get caught. Neut Domi will smoke a vaga...if its fitted with a web. A vaga @ cruising speed with decent skills can slowboat away at ~500m/s + or - a few..
Faffywaffy	Posted - 2009.11.25 22:56:00 - [19] Why would a Vagabond pilot be afraid of a Curse? ;-)
Number 17 Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.11.26 00:04:00 - [20] Apart from the obvious recons. Any decent BC, thorax or ruppie can kill it. Just stay close to gate/station, dont engage unless you web/scramm first, if you fail to catch it you can burn back to gate/station and jump/dock. Repeat as necesary.
Don Pellegrino Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.11.26 00:10:00 - [21] Just mentioning that in here... a rail deimos doesnt need to approach a vaga to apply dps and will absolutly shred it. Just sayin' (but you need some kind of help to make sure he won't disengage and just run)
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.11.26 00:18:00 - [22] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/11/2009 00:22:42 Not that hard to catch them, best way is to use their speed against them. Grab a fast frigate with web + scram and some buffer so you can hold him for a while (Jaguar works well, as its tackle gear and weapons still work even if neuted). Place yourself as bait in say a belt, at like 100km. Wait for Vaga to land in the belt. Move away from him at base speed, and wait for him to burn out for you (they always do). Toggle overheat on your MWD (do not activate it yet), and watch the distance. Once he hits disruptor range (30-25km on overview), hit approach and pulse your overheated MWD. As soon as you hit scram range point and web him, and settle into a 500m orbit. Now, either quickly kill his drones and slowly grind him down, or call in your buddies.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.11.26 00:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Faffywaffy Why would a Vagabond pilot be afraid of a Curse? ;-) The person responsible for that Curse fit needs to be punched right in the baby maker. Awful. It IS possible to kill a Curse with a Vaga, but if the Curse pilot is any good at all it's astonishingly unlikely. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Smk56	Posted - 2009.11.26 01:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/11/2009 00:22:42 Not that hard to catch them, best way is to use their speed against them. Grab a fast frigate with web + scram and some buffer so you can hold him for a while (Jaguar works well, as its tackle gear and weapons still work even if neuted). Place yourself as bait in say a belt, at like 100km. Wait for Vaga to land in the belt. Move away from him at base speed, and wait for him to burn out for you (they always do). Toggle overheat on your MWD (do not activate it yet), and watch the distance. Once he hits disruptor range (30-25km on overview), hit approach and pulse your overheated MWD. As soon as you hit scram range point and web him, and settle into a 500m orbit. Now, either quickly kill his drones and slowly grind him down, or call in your buddies. Heh. All these people suggesting frigates haven't faced a Vagabond in one. A decent Vaga setup includes a med neut which will cap a frig out in 2 cycles. Pretty much ends up with the Vaga getting a free kill. Multiple frigates, thats another story but usually they'll just run when they encounter multiple enemies.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.11.26 01:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Smk56 Heh. All these people suggesting frigates haven't faced a Vagabond in one. A decent Vaga setup includes a med neut which will cap a frig out in 2 cycles. Eh, all the people thinking a med neut will save them havent been tackled by my Jaguar yet, and didnt bother to check the activation cost of warp scramblers or webbers.
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.11.26 02:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Faffywaffy Why would a Vagabond pilot be afraid of a Curse? ;-) your flying vagas now faffy?
Ariel Dawn Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.26 02:49:00 - [27] MWD directly away from the Vagabond. Near end of MWD cycle, click approach to the Vagabond and overload MWD. Apply web/scram/etc. Can catch pretty much 95% of Vagabonds (and speed tanking ships) doing this.
Nancyboy	Posted - 2009.11.26 07:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Faffywaffy Why would a Vagabond pilot be afraid of a Curse? ;-) Nice KB faffy. I am curious, what is your vaga fit?
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.11.26 08:19:00 - [29] Two words are key to fighting a vagabond: overheated mids.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Hellstrome Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.26 09:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Emperor Ryan Originally by: TimMc Things that scare my vaga Heavy Neuts Curse Arazu/Lach with a scram, fairly rare Rapier/huggin Cerberus, but I might try I do seem to meet more and more people soloing with scrams lately. Could you explain this one to me. a Rapier has little to no dps, Solo if its got you pointed its within range of being hit by barrage.. and if its not got you pointed but still webbed, it can get out. So why be scared of it... Hell a Taranis can Kill a rapier if its Ab fit, and Can kill the drones fast enough. Rapiers aren't a solo ship so if a rapier tackles your vagabond it means he's buddies are on their way to mess you up. My experience flying a vagabond is interceptors die very fast, so I'm skeptical about all these Taranis pilots who reckon they can kill a vagabond solo, especially the ones advocting an afterburner fit, how many afterburner interceptors do you see in pvp seriously... Heavy Neutralizers and missile ships like the cerb are biggest problems if your a vagabond pilot. ~~~ [ 2009.02.05 09:37:43 ] Louis Trenker > - Who's ship is this?- It's a Titan baby.- Who's Titan is this?- BoB's.- Who's BoB?- BoB's dead baby! BoB's dead!

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