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Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:51:00 - [1] Latesh Verrinoir, Jita: Infinite Investments is announcing the oppertunity for capsuleers in New Eden to partake in a pre-existing collective investment. The investment has existed for over 12 months and has made significant returns for it's current investors. Infinite Investments is a recent startup that has been created to represent the investments of a group of capsuleers that have been investing in a variety of products, services, and organizations for over 12 months. Though initial returns were slow, the investment fund has more more than tripled its initial investment size and has continued to make ISK for its investors. Previously, the investments were handled manually as the Investors are all friends and trust eachother explicitly. Infinite Investments has been created along with 2 million shares of stock to administrate this Investment oppertunity as it is opened to the New Eden Capsuleers. Of the 2 million stocks, 900,000 will be available as an investment , the other 1,100,000 stocks represent the pre-existing investments by the original Investors. At an opening value of 1,000,000 ISK each, with a minimum investment of 100,000,000 ISK per investor, these stocks will be sold publically through the CEO of the Infinite Investments corporation: Latesh Verrinoir. Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. Investment Information and further details may be found at the Infinite Investments website: http://www.eve-ii.com Sales of stocks will begin on December 15th, 2009, at 11:59pm EVE Time (23:59). Sales will remain open until all new investment stocks are sold. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:14:00 - [3] Curious that it's been open for a year while 100% of the content on that website is dated from the last week.
Sama's Minion	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:28:00 - [4] I will invest to the tune of ONE THOUSAND ISK!
Magnu Stormhawk	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:31:00 - [5] Wait, let me get this straight... You want us to invest 900,000,000,000 ISK on the basis of a ten sentence post and a shiny website with graphs? Wow.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:34:00 - [6] I have 17 ISK can I help?
Halcyon Ingenium	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:38:00 - [7] We used to just have mining macros and ISK sellers, now we have investment scams and ISK sellers. __________ I'm just an ordinary Caldari trying to turn an ISK. What's wrong with that?
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:43:00 - [8] To enhance the apparent quality of the offering, it needs some math errors and some unsupported claims about future performance of the fund. Maybe you should start being rude toward your potential investors, too, just to be on the safe side. This is intended to look like a weak scam attempt, right? á á
Sapphire Dreams	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:51:00 - [9] Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? Is this the new master plan Ray's been cooking up during his forum absence?! All we need is LVV to come in and say something imbecilically arrogant whilst simultaneously washing his hands of any responsibility for anything whatsoever, and this thread will surely be complete.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Sapphire Dreams Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? That was the first thing I thought of as well. I just didn't want to be the one to say it

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:13:00 - [11] Nice try, Ray.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:17:00 - [12] Prove to me via an audit that you have 1.1T in assets under management and I may throw you 100B to manage.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:43:00 - [13] I'm less interested in this offer and more interested in how I go about gettind a shiny webpage like that for my business. I must know! -----------------------------
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus I'm less interested in this offer and more interested in how I go about gettind a shiny webpage like that for my business. I must know! lol, I was going to suggest selling webpages instead of garbage scams it really is nice
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:00:00 - [15] Originally by: SetrakDark Nice try, Ray. oh noes I lolled in my pants
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk Wait, let me get this straight... You want us to invest 900,000,000,000 ISK on the basis of a ten sentence post and a shiny website with graphs? Wow. No, actually. I want you to ask questions and decide for yourself if you believe that this is a worthwhile opportunity. If the answer is no, then, no, I don't want you to invest. I want you to be happy with your decision, regardless of if it's for or against. Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Need? No. But, if we wish to grow the fund and continue the success of the last year, it's something that's worth doing. But, no, you're right, we could remain where we are and hold no ambition for the future. Originally by: Tiberizzle Curious that it's been open for a year while 100% of the content on that website is dated from the last week. As is clearly stated in the FAQ section of the website, the fund has been privately managed for over a year. There was previously no need for a website, corporation, or any other proof of the fund's existence to anyone other than those people already involved. So, yes, everything was created within the last week, but that only proves that the website and content were created in the last week. Nothing else can be proven from this. Originally by: Sapphire Dreams Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? While we would not turn down an investment from EBANK, we are in no way affiliated with EBANK. We prefer to invest with private ventures. Originally by: cosmoray Prove to me via an audit that you have 1.1T in assets under management and I may throw you 100B to manage. An audit of my account will prove nothing to you other than the corp being recently created and I have an alt on the account. The assets are invested. Aside from the periodic returns (mostly montly, a couple quarterly and one bi-yearly), there is no evidence of the investments. I can assure, though, they are quite real. But, given the skepticism, I don't expect anyone here is going to believe me. Ask your questions. Investigate if you wish. This is why this was posted early, rather than at the launch. If you're not happy with the answers you get, then don't invest. I will take no offense to anyone who does not wish to share in this fund. If you'd rather discuss this in private, my you can evemail me ingame, or my email address is clearly available through the website. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:14:00 - [17] Well so long as we have your assurance that your business functions as stated all is well. Reminds me of those Carfax comercials. -----------------------------
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:23:00 - [18] Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM note: nice website, waste of money.
Capitalist Swineherder	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Need? No. But, if we wish to grow the fund and continue the success of the last year, it's something that's worth doing. But, no, you're right, we could remain where we are and hold no ambition for the future. So ponzi scheme then? Usually when sums get that large its hard to maintain returns as the labor of slinging that volume of isk and assets get to be time consuming. I don't see how isk above 1.1T will increase % returns.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:37:00 - [20] Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Originally by: cosmoray Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. Put the minimum in. On January 15th, you'll receive your first return payout. You'll see then what one of our common return payouts is. If you're not convinced then, then you never will be. And, honestly, if you're willing to throw around 100B in Investments if we can prove this, then 100m is nothing to you. Take the risk and reap the rewards. Originally by: cosmoray If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. You're right. There is someone controlling it. Dispite that, there still isn't any "assets". Just the agreements with the investees (is that a word?). Originally by: cosmoray Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. How many times do I have to tell you that there are no assets in this. This is a collective investment. Originally, it was investing in opportunities that the original collective couldn't afford to do alone. Now it's about maintaining those investments and finding new ones to continue growing. Originally by: cosmoray Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: Email me. Tell me what you need. The audit will prove nothing to you, but, if it will make you happy, we'll see what can be arranged. Originally by: cosmoray note: nice website, waste of money Thanks. I thought the website was well put together. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:42:00 - [21] Welcome to New Eden Trading 2.0
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Capitalist Swineherder So ponzi scheme then? Usually when sums get that large its hard to maintain returns as the labor of slinging that volume of isk and assets get to be time consuming. I don't see how isk above 1.1T will increase % returns. As we've gotten more serious about this, we've been able to attract larger and better returning investments. Currently, we have an opportunity to invest in something new, but do not yet have the funds to invest in this. This is where more investors come in, thus the public launch. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. So this is a ponzi scheme then?? How do you make ISK to pay the current investors, mission macros? RMT? You have to have some way of making ISK to pay invenstors. Without API verified proof on how you are making ISK you will never get 1 ISK from anyone with an ounce of brains on this forum.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Define "other sources". Do they include any of the following: Market orders Contracts In-game shares Out-of-game shares Player bonds Corporations that you collectively run and operate? If so, please specify which.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:49:00 - [25] What's wrong with growing the same way as you have over the past year (ingame contacts and word-of-mouth)? Free jumpclone service: Thread\|Shares available!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:54:00 - [26] So if you are a collective and there are 50 of you. Then each person in the collective has to have at least 22B in assets or cash. If you have a 100, then at least 11B each in assets or cash. To end up with 1.1T in assets in your collective there must be some players with significant funds. Questions: 1. How many people in the collective? 2. What is the average amount of money/assets held by each player? 3. How much money/assets does the wealthiest player in the collective hold? 4. If it is a collective does the management tell the players involved what to buy/sell? 5. Do the players then pay a management fee for the advice? What is the mechanism of making profits to pay investors (not interested in trades just process). If you are not holding assets how do you earn fees?
Dracnys Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:56:00 - [27] Please explain a bit further what you exactly want to do with the ISK, you're always talking about invisible assets and stuff, where do you put it in? Correct me if I got something wrong, but are you just giving it to other people so you're basically act like something like an investment group which represents a large group of investors who split the losses if a loan defaults? If yes, to whom do you give the money? Of course you don't have to name persons, which would destroy your business, but I can't really believe that it's possible to reinvest the 2 Trillion for a monthly return of more than 5% (which you mentioned on the website) to cover the losses of defaulted loans. On top of that you might want to make money for yourselves. Furthermore you should reveal everyone who actually invests the ISK. You said that your not the only person holding money and investing it, who are the others? And the last point, tell me why you don't simply run away with the ISK. I never heard of you, and the website is brand-new, so you won't lose any rep or something. You don't provide any collateral either. Everything says RED FLAG.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:58:00 - [28] Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM note: nice website, waste of money. This thread was dead on arrival and I see the communities already done a fine job beating its limp corpse so I'll simply echo Cosmoray: If you have 1.1T in the course of all of 10 minutes you should be able to prove at least a couple hundred billion of those and secure plenty of further investment. Given your refusal to provide even the slightest evidence of any actual investment combined with the fact that the only person we know to be involved is a throw-away day-old alt I declare this a total scam and a rather lazy one at that.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Define "other sources". Do they include any of the following: Market orders Contracts In-game shares Out-of-game shares Player bonds Corporations that you collectively run and operate? If so, please specify which. We've invested into a wide range of corps, alliances, and funds. "Other sources" is a bit misleading, I shouldn't have said it that way, but, too late now. The following is a complete list of the types of investments we've made: A Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund B Sub-Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund C High-sec Mining Corporations Fund D Low/Null/WHspace-sec Mining Corporations Fund E Moon Mining Corporations Fund F Courier Corporations Fund G T2 Item Productions Fund H BPO Productions Corporations Fund I Trading Corporations Fund J Mercenary Corporations Fund K Alliance Corporations Fund L Outposts Fundá And this is another graph (I do love the pretty pictures) showing about how much is invested into each of these: http://www.eve-ii.com/iv-type.jpg Originally by: cosmoray Questions: 1. How many people in the collective? Currently there are 37. Originally by: cosmoray 2. What is the average amount of money/assets held by each player? What is 1.1 Trillion ISK divided by 37? That's about 30B ISK each. Now, obviously, this is just an average. Some of the Collective hold much more than that. Others hold much less. Originally by: cosmoray 3. How much money/assets does the wealthiest player in the collective hold? I can't answer that. Not because I don't want to, but, because I honestly don't know. I know that one of the Collective has known liquid assets of about 100B ISK and over 100B invested in the fund. Originally by: cosmoray 4. If it is a collective does the management tell the players involved what to buy/sell? The players who are invested in this do not actively buy and sell. They have pooled their ISK and allowed one or two people to perform the investing. They help out by informing the management of new opportunities and potential sources of returns, but, they are not directly controlling the ISK involved. Originally by: cosmoray 5. Do the players then pay a management fee for the advice? See the answer to question 4. In short, no. Originally by: cosmoray What is the mechanism of making profits to pay investors (not interested in trades just process). If you are not holding assets how do you earn fees? Profits are paid out to investors based on the percentage value of their investment into the fund. For example, if the fund is worth 100% and a player has invested 50%, they will then recieve 50% of the payout. As stated previously, there are no assets to be held. But, as for how I earn ISK out of this, I am one of the investors. I make money off of this the same way as any of the other investors. And since I'm sure you're going to ask, I have a little over 35B invested into this. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:24:00 - [30] If the players have pooled their ISK, then SOMEONE has CONTROL of a vast amount of assets. I want to audit that person. If the person (or persons) controlling the pooled ISK has invested it in other corps, I want to see what shares you are holding in various corps. You are invest in cap production/T2 production/BPO research. Therefore you either own shares in corps that do this or you do the work directly. I want to either see some of those assets, or I want to audit the person who is holding the shares of those corps. If I see the shares in the wallet, I will also see the dividends and can confirm the payments and dividends and will give me a good overview or value. If there are no shares but payouts from various companies and that money is dispersed to investors, I want to see the person who recieves they payments. In short I want to audit SOMEONE in the collective who can even slightly back up your story, because at least one person HAS to be receiving the profits to distribute.



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