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Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:51:00 - [1] Latesh Verrinoir, Jita: Infinite Investments is announcing the oppertunity for capsuleers in New Eden to partake in a pre-existing collective investment. The investment has existed for over 12 months and has made significant returns for it's current investors. Infinite Investments is a recent startup that has been created to represent the investments of a group of capsuleers that have been investing in a variety of products, services, and organizations for over 12 months. Though initial returns were slow, the investment fund has more more than tripled its initial investment size and has continued to make ISK for its investors. Previously, the investments were handled manually as the Investors are all friends and trust eachother explicitly. Infinite Investments has been created along with 2 million shares of stock to administrate this Investment oppertunity as it is opened to the New Eden Capsuleers. Of the 2 million stocks, 900,000 will be available as an investment , the other 1,100,000 stocks represent the pre-existing investments by the original Investors. At an opening value of 1,000,000 ISK each, with a minimum investment of 100,000,000 ISK per investor, these stocks will be sold publically through the CEO of the Infinite Investments corporation: Latesh Verrinoir. Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. Investment Information and further details may be found at the Infinite Investments website: http://www.eve-ii.com Sales of stocks will begin on December 15th, 2009, at 11:59pm EVE Time (23:59). Sales will remain open until all new investment stocks are sold. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:14:00 - [3] Curious that it's been open for a year while 100% of the content on that website is dated from the last week.
Sama's Minion	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:28:00 - [4] I will invest to the tune of ONE THOUSAND ISK!
Magnu Stormhawk	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:31:00 - [5] Wait, let me get this straight... You want us to invest 900,000,000,000 ISK on the basis of a ten sentence post and a shiny website with graphs? Wow.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:34:00 - [6] I have 17 ISK can I help?
Halcyon Ingenium	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:38:00 - [7] We used to just have mining macros and ISK sellers, now we have investment scams and ISK sellers. __________ I'm just an ordinary Caldari trying to turn an ISK. What's wrong with that?
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:43:00 - [8] To enhance the apparent quality of the offering, it needs some math errors and some unsupported claims about future performance of the fund. Maybe you should start being rude toward your potential investors, too, just to be on the safe side. This is intended to look like a weak scam attempt, right? á á
Sapphire Dreams	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:51:00 - [9] Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? Is this the new master plan Ray's been cooking up during his forum absence?! All we need is LVV to come in and say something imbecilically arrogant whilst simultaneously washing his hands of any responsibility for anything whatsoever, and this thread will surely be complete.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Sapphire Dreams Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? That was the first thing I thought of as well. I just didn't want to be the one to say it

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:13:00 - [11] Nice try, Ray.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:17:00 - [12] Prove to me via an audit that you have 1.1T in assets under management and I may throw you 100B to manage.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:43:00 - [13] I'm less interested in this offer and more interested in how I go about gettind a shiny webpage like that for my business. I must know! -----------------------------
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus I'm less interested in this offer and more interested in how I go about gettind a shiny webpage like that for my business. I must know! lol, I was going to suggest selling webpages instead of garbage scams it really is nice
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:00:00 - [15] Originally by: SetrakDark Nice try, Ray. oh noes I lolled in my pants
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk Wait, let me get this straight... You want us to invest 900,000,000,000 ISK on the basis of a ten sentence post and a shiny website with graphs? Wow. No, actually. I want you to ask questions and decide for yourself if you believe that this is a worthwhile opportunity. If the answer is no, then, no, I don't want you to invest. I want you to be happy with your decision, regardless of if it's for or against. Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Need? No. But, if we wish to grow the fund and continue the success of the last year, it's something that's worth doing. But, no, you're right, we could remain where we are and hold no ambition for the future. Originally by: Tiberizzle Curious that it's been open for a year while 100% of the content on that website is dated from the last week. As is clearly stated in the FAQ section of the website, the fund has been privately managed for over a year. There was previously no need for a website, corporation, or any other proof of the fund's existence to anyone other than those people already involved. So, yes, everything was created within the last week, but that only proves that the website and content were created in the last week. Nothing else can be proven from this. Originally by: Sapphire Dreams Wait a second... Isn't EBANK's deficit around 1.1T? While we would not turn down an investment from EBANK, we are in no way affiliated with EBANK. We prefer to invest with private ventures. Originally by: cosmoray Prove to me via an audit that you have 1.1T in assets under management and I may throw you 100B to manage. An audit of my account will prove nothing to you other than the corp being recently created and I have an alt on the account. The assets are invested. Aside from the periodic returns (mostly montly, a couple quarterly and one bi-yearly), there is no evidence of the investments. I can assure, though, they are quite real. But, given the skepticism, I don't expect anyone here is going to believe me. Ask your questions. Investigate if you wish. This is why this was posted early, rather than at the launch. If you're not happy with the answers you get, then don't invest. I will take no offense to anyone who does not wish to share in this fund. If you'd rather discuss this in private, my you can evemail me ingame, or my email address is clearly available through the website. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:14:00 - [17] Well so long as we have your assurance that your business functions as stated all is well. Reminds me of those Carfax comercials. -----------------------------
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:23:00 - [18] Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM note: nice website, waste of money.
Capitalist Swineherder	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Considering the existing investment value of approximately 1.1 Trillion ISK, this should prove an easy decision for the serious investors of New Eden. And it was! Anyone with 1.1T isk available has no need to seek public funds. Scam. Need? No. But, if we wish to grow the fund and continue the success of the last year, it's something that's worth doing. But, no, you're right, we could remain where we are and hold no ambition for the future. So ponzi scheme then? Usually when sums get that large its hard to maintain returns as the labor of slinging that volume of isk and assets get to be time consuming. I don't see how isk above 1.1T will increase % returns.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:37:00 - [20] Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Originally by: cosmoray Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. Put the minimum in. On January 15th, you'll receive your first return payout. You'll see then what one of our common return payouts is. If you're not convinced then, then you never will be. And, honestly, if you're willing to throw around 100B in Investments if we can prove this, then 100m is nothing to you. Take the risk and reap the rewards. Originally by: cosmoray If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. You're right. There is someone controlling it. Dispite that, there still isn't any "assets". Just the agreements with the investees (is that a word?). Originally by: cosmoray Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. How many times do I have to tell you that there are no assets in this. This is a collective investment. Originally, it was investing in opportunities that the original collective couldn't afford to do alone. Now it's about maintaining those investments and finding new ones to continue growing. Originally by: cosmoray Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: Email me. Tell me what you need. The audit will prove nothing to you, but, if it will make you happy, we'll see what can be arranged. Originally by: cosmoray note: nice website, waste of money Thanks. I thought the website was well put together. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:42:00 - [21] Welcome to New Eden Trading 2.0
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Capitalist Swineherder So ponzi scheme then? Usually when sums get that large its hard to maintain returns as the labor of slinging that volume of isk and assets get to be time consuming. I don't see how isk above 1.1T will increase % returns. As we've gotten more serious about this, we've been able to attract larger and better returning investments. Currently, we have an opportunity to invest in something new, but do not yet have the funds to invest in this. This is where more investors come in, thus the public launch. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. So this is a ponzi scheme then?? How do you make ISK to pay the current investors, mission macros? RMT? You have to have some way of making ISK to pay invenstors. Without API verified proof on how you are making ISK you will never get 1 ISK from anyone with an ounce of brains on this forum.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Define "other sources". Do they include any of the following: Market orders Contracts In-game shares Out-of-game shares Player bonds Corporations that you collectively run and operate? If so, please specify which.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:49:00 - [25] What's wrong with growing the same way as you have over the past year (ingame contacts and word-of-mouth)? Free jumpclone service: Thread\|Shares available!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:54:00 - [26] So if you are a collective and there are 50 of you. Then each person in the collective has to have at least 22B in assets or cash. If you have a 100, then at least 11B each in assets or cash. To end up with 1.1T in assets in your collective there must be some players with significant funds. Questions: 1. How many people in the collective? 2. What is the average amount of money/assets held by each player? 3. How much money/assets does the wealthiest player in the collective hold? 4. If it is a collective does the management tell the players involved what to buy/sell? 5. Do the players then pay a management fee for the advice? What is the mechanism of making profits to pay investors (not interested in trades just process). If you are not holding assets how do you earn fees?
Dracnys Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:56:00 - [27] Please explain a bit further what you exactly want to do with the ISK, you're always talking about invisible assets and stuff, where do you put it in? Correct me if I got something wrong, but are you just giving it to other people so you're basically act like something like an investment group which represents a large group of investors who split the losses if a loan defaults? If yes, to whom do you give the money? Of course you don't have to name persons, which would destroy your business, but I can't really believe that it's possible to reinvest the 2 Trillion for a monthly return of more than 5% (which you mentioned on the website) to cover the losses of defaulted loans. On top of that you might want to make money for yourselves. Furthermore you should reveal everyone who actually invests the ISK. You said that your not the only person holding money and investing it, who are the others? And the last point, tell me why you don't simply run away with the ISK. I never heard of you, and the website is brand-new, so you won't lose any rep or something. You don't provide any collateral either. Everything says RED FLAG.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:58:00 - [28] Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Who is EVER going to trust you if you don't prove a significant amount of assets under control. If there is 1.1T in assets, someone MUST be controlling it. Even if many people are sharing the assets, one person must have at least 100B of assets. Allow me to audit of one person in your business with at least 100B in company assets, otherwise: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCAM note: nice website, waste of money. This thread was dead on arrival and I see the communities already done a fine job beating its limp corpse so I'll simply echo Cosmoray: If you have 1.1T in the course of all of 10 minutes you should be able to prove at least a couple hundred billion of those and secure plenty of further investment. Given your refusal to provide even the slightest evidence of any actual investment combined with the fact that the only person we know to be involved is a throw-away day-old alt I declare this a total scam and a rather lazy one at that.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray Well you can't prove you have the assets, then who will invest?? Assets? Did you even read the OP? This isn't a matter of assets, it's a matter of collective investment. This isn't us going out and buying a bunch of capital BPOs and researching them up so we can make BPCs for sale or anything like that. There are no visible assets. Money invested into the fund gets then invested into other sources. Return payouts from these investments then get paid out to our collective investors after a percentage is reinvested to grow the fund. Define "other sources". Do they include any of the following: Market orders Contracts In-game shares Out-of-game shares Player bonds Corporations that you collectively run and operate? If so, please specify which. We've invested into a wide range of corps, alliances, and funds. "Other sources" is a bit misleading, I shouldn't have said it that way, but, too late now. The following is a complete list of the types of investments we've made: A Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund B Sub-Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund C High-sec Mining Corporations Fund D Low/Null/WHspace-sec Mining Corporations Fund E Moon Mining Corporations Fund F Courier Corporations Fund G T2 Item Productions Fund H BPO Productions Corporations Fund I Trading Corporations Fund J Mercenary Corporations Fund K Alliance Corporations Fund L Outposts Fundá And this is another graph (I do love the pretty pictures) showing about how much is invested into each of these: http://www.eve-ii.com/iv-type.jpg Originally by: cosmoray Questions: 1. How many people in the collective? Currently there are 37. Originally by: cosmoray 2. What is the average amount of money/assets held by each player? What is 1.1 Trillion ISK divided by 37? That's about 30B ISK each. Now, obviously, this is just an average. Some of the Collective hold much more than that. Others hold much less. Originally by: cosmoray 3. How much money/assets does the wealthiest player in the collective hold? I can't answer that. Not because I don't want to, but, because I honestly don't know. I know that one of the Collective has known liquid assets of about 100B ISK and over 100B invested in the fund. Originally by: cosmoray 4. If it is a collective does the management tell the players involved what to buy/sell? The players who are invested in this do not actively buy and sell. They have pooled their ISK and allowed one or two people to perform the investing. They help out by informing the management of new opportunities and potential sources of returns, but, they are not directly controlling the ISK involved. Originally by: cosmoray 5. Do the players then pay a management fee for the advice? See the answer to question 4. In short, no. Originally by: cosmoray What is the mechanism of making profits to pay investors (not interested in trades just process). If you are not holding assets how do you earn fees? Profits are paid out to investors based on the percentage value of their investment into the fund. For example, if the fund is worth 100% and a player has invested 50%, they will then recieve 50% of the payout. As stated previously, there are no assets to be held. But, as for how I earn ISK out of this, I am one of the investors. I make money off of this the same way as any of the other investors. And since I'm sure you're going to ask, I have a little over 35B invested into this. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:24:00 - [30] If the players have pooled their ISK, then SOMEONE has CONTROL of a vast amount of assets. I want to audit that person. If the person (or persons) controlling the pooled ISK has invested it in other corps, I want to see what shares you are holding in various corps. You are invest in cap production/T2 production/BPO research. Therefore you either own shares in corps that do this or you do the work directly. I want to either see some of those assets, or I want to audit the person who is holding the shares of those corps. If I see the shares in the wallet, I will also see the dividends and can confirm the payments and dividends and will give me a good overview or value. If there are no shares but payouts from various companies and that money is dispersed to investors, I want to see the person who recieves they payments. In short I want to audit SOMEONE in the collective who can even slightly back up your story, because at least one person HAS to be receiving the profits to distribute.

Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Dracnys Furthermore you should reveal everyone who actually invests the ISK. You said that your not the only person holding money and investing it, who are the others? And the last point, tell me why you don't simply run away with the ISK. I never heard of you, and the website is brand-new, so you won't lose any rep or something. You don't provide any collateral either. Everything says RED FLAG. Most of your questions have been answered in response to cosmoray's most recent post, so, I don't really want to repeat myself. However, these points I'll go into. The players who are invested in this represent a range of people from a variety of corps or alliances, some of which who truly wish to remain anonymous lest they be targeted for their success. I could run away with the ISK, you're right. But, I'm sure somewhere, some how, someone would eventually track me down. I've watched scams happen on these forums and I know how vindictive players can be, even though this really is just a game. We, the Collective, have been discussing doing this for about 3 months now. It's only in the last two weeks that we actually started to pull together an ingame corp, website, and whatnot. We wanted it to look as proffesional as possible. The simple truth here is that we're just EVE Players who had a great idea a year ago. We've been successful and we've decided it's time to pass on the success. None of us have ever done a launch like this before. We don't do anything like this in reality. So, we laid this out as intelligently and logically as we could. What do we (I) need to do to prove this is legit? The only suggestion I can make to people is to invest the minimum so that we can invest it and make a payment to you on the 15th of January. There is nothing, so far as I can tell, that we can do to prove this beyond that. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:28:00 - [32] There is a VERY EASY way. Let me audit someone who is controlling the pooled ISK. If there is no audit then there is no INVESTMENT. Or just answer my new responses in post 29 on the first page.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:34:00 - [33] Originally by: cosmoray I want to audit that person. That person is me. As I've already stated, and you've ignored, as you've ignored everything posted on the website and much of what I've stated in responses, email me. Tell me what's involved and we can discuss it. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.12.14 01:51:00 - [34] So why are you moving away from the group-of-friends-all-trusting-eachother-setup to a public offering? If you're managing 1.1T isk surely you know more than 40 odd people ingame who you could approach for funds? Free jumpclone service: Thread\|Shares available!
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Estel Arador So why are you moving away from the group-of-friends-all-trusting-eachother-setup to a public offering? If you're managing 1.1T isk surely you know more than 40 odd people ingame who you could approach for funds? It's not simply a matter of approaching more people that we already know. For the same reason that JP Morgan or Chase Manhattan weren't content to sit still with a small group of people, we, too, are not content as is. Whether you want to call it greed, ambition, or anything else, it's a matter of wanting to expand, to share our success. You are entirely correct though, we could have kept it private and restricted with no room for unlimited growth. Really, what good is success if we keep it to ourselves. Sharing it and proving that it's possible is as much a motivation as anything else. To be honest, the challenge of proving ourselves legit and successful is almost as much fun as earning the ISK itself. I really hope that cosmoray and I can come to an understanding and he'll retract his belief that this is a scam so that anyone can enjoy our success. We'll see what happens, though. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:18:00 - [36] Quote: The only suggestion I can make to people is to invest the minimum so that we can invest it and make a payment to you on the 15th of January. lol @ "I can only provide proof if you send me ISK"
ThreeEleven	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:36:00 - [37] Get out the torches and pitchforks everyone... Seriously though, I've invested quite a bit of isk with these guys for a while now and I have nothing but good things to say. Granted I would have preferred all of us to stay out of the public eye, for obvious reasons, I guess change isn't all that bad. This is an opportunity to do something with the isk that is gathering dust in your wallet and speaking from experience with these guys, its worth it. If you're interested in this venture, please ask questions so that they can be answered. If you're not interested, thanks for reading and I wish you a pleasant day.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Tiberizzle Quote: The only suggestion I can make to people is to invest the minimum so that we can invest it and make a payment to you on the 15th of January. lol @ "I can only provide proof if you send me ISK" Indeed. Here's a summary of this "offering" so far: Day old alt claims to be managing 1.1T and asks for more. Community asks him to prove any part of his statement, especially the 1.1T. Alt makes lots of excuses and proves nothing. Community keeps pushing. Alt says send me your ISK and I'll prove it. Offering written off as scam unless proof is forthcoming. So Mr. Alt, where's the beef? Show us you're a managing hundreds of billions and we can talk, otherwise put some more effort into your scam before you come back.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:43:00 - [39] Originally by: ThreeEleven Get out the torches and pitchforks everyone... Seriously though, I've invested quite a bit of isk with these guys for a while now and I have nothing but good things to say. Granted I would have preferred all of us to stay out of the public eye, for obvious reasons, I guess change isn't all that bad. This is an opportunity to do something with the isk that is gathering dust in your wallet and speaking from experience with these guys, its worth it. If you're interested in this venture, please ask questions so that they can be answered. If you're not interested, thanks for reading and I wish you a pleasant day. Well, so long as a character selling alt that has made a grand total of 2 posts in his entire history says they're legit.... I'll tell you what, prove to me that they're turning profits on anywhere near 1T ISK and I'll chip in 10B. For a little proof I'll invest 10B, for a lot I might just match Cosmoray's 100B. Until then, this screams scam.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Here's a summary of this "offering" so far: Day old alt claims to be managing 1.1T and asks for more. Community asks him to prove any part of his statement, especially the 1.1T. Alt makes lots of excuses and proves nothing. Community keeps pushing. Alt says send me your ISK and I'll prove it. Offering written off as scam unless proof is forthcoming. Please, if you're going to insult me, at least do your research. I was born on 2006.06.27, which makes me more than 2 years old. No one has given me a way to truly prove anything so, I cannot prove anything. I've told cosmoray to email me to tell me how to commit to an audit, he has not emailed me thus far. "Community" seems to consist of four players who would have everyone else believe that they are correct and everyone else is wrong. If this is a scam, then I was not told. I would like to have someone prove to me that this IS a scam. Anyone who wants to discuss this in a more civil manner may do so and I will respond to questions. But, these accusations of this being a scam are not proving, or disproving, anything. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!

Zephyrlin Caldari Gangrel Mining and Security High Treason Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: Kwint Sommer Here's a summary of this "offering" so far: Day old alt claims to be managing 1.1T and asks for more. Community asks him to prove any part of his statement, especially the 1.1T. Alt makes lots of excuses and proves nothing. Community keeps pushing. Alt says send me your ISK and I'll prove it. Offering written off as scam unless proof is forthcoming. Please, if you're going to insult me, at least do your research. I was born on 2006.06.27, which makes me more than 2 years old. No one has given me a way to truly prove anything so, I cannot prove anything. I've told cosmoray to email me to tell me how to commit to an audit, he has not emailed me thus far. "Community" seems to consist of four players who would have everyone else believe that they are correct and everyone else is wrong. If this is a scam, then I was not told. I would like to have someone prove to me that this IS a scam. Anyone who wants to discuss this in a more civil manner may do so and I will respond to questions. But, these accusations of this being a scam are not proving, or disproving, anything. The burden of proof is on you, not the community. We are not required to prove it is not a scam, because we are not the ones asking for money. You are asking for money however, thus the onus of proof lies with you. If you want people to take this seriously, get an established name who is part of your collective to post up here. Or provide some tangible proof of the amount of ISK you have in play, and what the returns are. Otherwise this is just fluff that's amusing to read. I wouldn't invest 10 dollars of real life money, or 10 ISK of EVE money into something that offered me no proof, no gaurantee, and no peace of mind. ---------- And God said... "Let there be lasers, and let them go... PEW! PEW! ...."
Malakai Cross Cross and Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir If this is a scam, then I was not told. I would like to have someone prove to me that this IS a scam. Anyone who wants to discuss this in a more civil manner may do so and I will respond to questions. But, these accusations of this being a scam are not proving, or disproving, anything. This is not the real world, this is EVE. One is not innocent until proven otherwise, -especially- when one is asking other players to invest money. So far, you've done nothing to remotely convince me that you would prove a worthwhile investment. Fortune favours the cunning, not the bold.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Please, if you're going to insult me, at least do your research. I was born on 2006.06.27, which makes me more than 2 years old. I have done my research. Here are the results, Quote: First post 2009-12-13 20:51:00 (in thread Infinite Investments - A Collective Investment Opportunity) You've never bothered to use that alt prior to today. Regardless of when you rolled him, he was nothing prior to today and that makes him a day-old alt. Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir I would like to have someone prove to me that this IS a scam. Regarding the rest, you are asking us for money. It is incumbent upon you to prove that this business is not a scam, not us. Thus far you have provided absolutely no substantial evidence that this is anything other than an attempt by a very long since created day-old alt to scam us. I hope you do, in fact I'll toss in 10B to 100B if you do but you haven't and you don't show signs of doing so. I offered to give you 10-100B and your response is to deride my lack of civility? My responses may be harsh but they are not unreasonable and more to the point I'm putting money on the table. I've been making harsh responses like this since before you even rolled your alt and do you know what? Legitimate businessmen have gone back and forth with me and ultimately accordingly gotten investment with the single exception of DBANK and it would seem I was right to stick to my guns there. Conversely, every single scammer has attempted to dismiss my complaints as uncivil or elitist or otherwise objectionable which they may well be but they have a point and the honest men have addressed them and thus far you have not. So, find an auditor of some kind, prove you're profitably managing assets on the scale you claim and I'll write my apology on the back of a check. Otherwise, this is a scam and no amount of critiquing my civility will change that.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir I would like to have someone prove to me that this IS a scam. Perhaps the easiest way to do that would be to get scammed. It should be no surprise that people are reluctant to do so. Of course, even that form of proof is not expected to be available for three months, since you've structured the 'investment' so that no one who 'invests' gets their capital back for at least three months. This term limits your liability for the next three months to a fraction (15 %) of your take. Potential investors would have to wait until mid-March to find out whether or not you're willing to honour cash-out requests. Originally by: http://www.eve-ii.com/investing-with-infinite-investments IMPORTANT: Investments with Infinite Investments have a "locked in" period of 3 months. After this time, you may request the return of your ISK at the current value of the stocks. Your ISK will be returned to you after the following first of the month, but before payouts for that month occur. This is because the fund is entirely invested in products, services, and organizations around New Eden. The fund is not liquid. á á
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:24:00 - [45] Latesh, you have stated that you are the person controlling the assets/ISK/Shares. I have a proposal to you. I am one of the respected members of this forum, I have held over 60B in public funds for investors returning over 30B in dividends, and the businesses have run for more than 18 months. I have also held over 100B in assets in third party lockdowns or brokerage activities. If I was to audit your character, all information would remain private. I would not pass on any details of how you operate your businesses. I have no interest in how you make your money. I haven't broken my word on this forum. I would just tell the forum that you indeed have a sizable ISK value of assets under your control. If you agree to an audit, I would need your API details. An audit is a common practice here on MD and I myself was audited before I got my first public funds. All you need to do is send your full API details to me. You can do this in-game via eve-mail. I can then quickly report back my findings. If you do not wish to go this route, it is unlikely that anyone here will trust you with any investment funds. If you have any questions about audits, post here and we can deal with them if you are unsure or concerned about the process.
Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:29:00 - [46] IBTO (In Before The Ostrich)--(well, not really) Ostrich scam pair found guilty of fraud The two men behind the "ostrich farming" scam of the mid-1990s were convicted yesterday of fraud charges relating to attempts to exploit public fears about "mad cow disease". They will be sentenced later today . Their convictions mark the end of the "ostrich mania" that followed official admissions of the potential danger of eating British beef. Brian Ketchell and Allan Walker, founders of the Ostrich Farming Corporation (OFC), had been charged with conspiring to defraud investors in an ostrich breeding scheme. Their trial at Leicester crown court began in March. Walker and Ketchell initially denied the charge, but changed their pleas to guilty on March 28. Both men, from Nottinghamshire, set up the business in 1994/95, promising investors huge rates of return from buying ostriches which they said would become a popular source of food. The business eventually attracted more than 2,800 customers and within 15 months had a turnover of ú21m. Instead of buying ostriches, however, millions of pounds of investors' money was siphoned into offshore accounts. Neither of the convicts bought ostriches themselves as a personal investment, but between them they received more than ú5.5m. Two men were acquitted of helping to run the alleged scam, brothers, Kevin and Russell Jones. The company took many orders, but in many cases the ostriches were non-existent. Of the 3,456 birds sold to customers or allocated under the farm's guaranteed chick scheme, at least 925 did not exist. OFC was wound up in early 1996 by the Department of Trade and Industry on public interest grounds. The SFO began its investigation just over four years ago. Members of the public bought ostriches at prices ranging from ú1,400 for a chick to ú14,000 for a mature breeding bird. According to the SFO, "The sales literature promised significant rates of return on breeding birds".
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:42:00 - [47] Originally by: cosmoray If you have any questions about audits, post here and we can deal with them if you are unsure or concerned about the process. I would much prefer to discuss this in private. Not because I'm hiding anything, but, because it makes things much easier to deal with rather than needing to sort through the myriad of flames and claims of scamming. So, please, as requested no less than three times now, E-Mail me, using the address that can be found on the FAQ page of the website. We can discuss and perhaps reach a compromise. And if not, then at least we tried. Perhaps simply discussing it will at least show some intent. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 03:44:00 - [48] Trying to talk to you in game, but you are not accepting my convo
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:33:00 - [49] OK, I had a very lengthy in game chat with the OP about his fund. The short version is that the OP's main character recieves dividend payments each month from their investments and distributes the ISK to the investors. The OP has requested 48 hours to speak to the investors, so they can come to agreement about proving that the fund is genuine. This may or may not include an API audit. I will report back after the OP has got back to me. I would not advise players investing in this scheme until the OP has contacted me.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:33:00 - [50] cosmoray and I have discussed the situation and will have proper results within 48 hours. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!

Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:40:00 - [51] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 14/12/2009 04:41:24 Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir cosmoray and I have discussed the situation and will have proper results within 48 hours. That's great to hear, I'll try to free up 10B in cash on the hope that this is in fact genuine. I would like to add though that simply finding 40 people who's assets total to 1.1T and have sent you a B here and there does not prove anything other than a well orchestrated scheme. The point at which an audit truly proves something is when you show that this is a fully functioning enterprise, not merely a lot of wealthy friends discretely cycling your own money back to you. So Cosmo, please bring back proper results, not merely an acknowledgment that Latesh has wealthy friends.
Pointyhat Black Magic Mushroom Society	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:47:00 - [52] To prove that you have the ISK, just send 500 bil to me for confirmation. Thank you. --Questions are a burden to others. Answers are a prison to oneself--
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.14 11:44:00 - [53] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 14/12/2009 11:45:12 The OP evidently got a lack of experience in public investments, but there's a lack of information derailing MD people attempts at grasping the whole breath of the operation (assuming it's not a giant scam). If I had been a perspective Investor, I'd demand an audit off an Auditor. An "assets check" or whatever has been mentioned so far is going to guarantee the following: Nothing. Better, since this is a vastly branched operation, there could be a need for 2-3 of them and for a period to be disclosed after a pre-feasibility assessment. Moreover, being this an operation multiple times as bigger than the already huge Bad Bobby's one, public investment would suggest a Board Of Trustees to act on behalf and as mediator between the Fund and the Investors. Otherwise, if everything else fails, had I been the OP I'd try bringing in someone of the likes of Chribba. If you OP really handle 1.1T and really are interested "going public", you can afford paying him a fee and offer a symbolic escrow in advance of 100-200B for Chribba to hold and release after a certain amount of time. OP, you have to understand that going from private to public involves a complete jump in quality (and added overhead), beginning with people demanding periodic reports / audits / performance statements and ending with tangible contacts to talk with. If you are not ready for this, you are not ready for public. Edits: bugs in Notepad - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.14 16:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir We, the Collective Warning! You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!
Julian Koll The Kollektive	Posted - 2009.12.14 16:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir We, the Collective Warning! You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile! I am btw in no way connected to the OP. Besides i never could post such an offering and stay serious about it. cheers, julian
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.14 16:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Angus McSpork Members of the public bought ostriches at prices ranging from ú1,400 for a chick to ú14,000 for a mature breeding bird. According to the SFO, "The sales literature promised significant rates of return on breeding birds". If that is what you promise, I would like to buy such a bird. What's my minimum investment? Then, to prove it's legit, I can invest the minimum. When you pay a paltry sum in comparison to your claimed funds, then I know it must be legit! I will then invest to the maximum. Name it "Infinity" Ostrich, and I'll give you any amount you want.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2009.12.14 20:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir We've invested into a wide range of corps, alliances, and funds. "Other sources" is a bit misleading, I shouldn't have said it that way, but, too late now. The following is a complete list of the types of investments we've made: A Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund B Sub-Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund C High-sec Mining Corporations Fund D Low/Null/WHspace-sec Mining Corporations Fund E Moon Mining Corporations Fund F Courier Corporations Fund G T2 Item Productions Fund H BPO Productions Corporations Fund I Trading Corporations Fund J Mercenary Corporations Fund K Alliance Corporations Fund L Outposts Fundá And this is another graph (I do love the pretty pictures) showing about how much is invested into each of these: http://www.eve-ii.com/iv-type.jpg Pretty graphs don¦t impress me. Solid, verifiable numbers and transparency do - and that¦s what you need if you are serious about running a public offering. Is the collective the alliance that owns the various corporations you listed above? Are all the corporations owned by your collective? If yes, you have a structure that could be audited regularly and has assets that could be collateralised, one way or another.
Andron Blaxcor	Posted - 2009.12.15 00:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Profits are paid out to investors based on the percentage value of their investment into the fund. For example, if the fund is worth 100% and a player has invested 50%, they will then recieve 50% of the payout. A quick question. How do you intend to make any isk out of this? Say you double your capital and (somehow) double your profits. You then pay out half of the total profits to the new public investors. You haven't made any isk. You're 50% of the public fund has the same profit generating capability as 100% of the private fund. However, you've doubled your workload. Would you have a different payback scheme for public investors? I've also assumed you can make the same percentage profit in 2T as on 1T. Do you think this is really scalable? If it isn't, the above payment system would lose you isk. On the 'prove it's legit' side, can you provide any example of businesses we might know of that you have invested in? Being able to check that you had invested in someone MD is familiar with who can confirm this would help raise your proof level from 'zero' to 'a bit'.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.15 19:57:00 - [59] After much debate and deliberation, the Collective and I have decided that we will be retracting this public offering. The Reasons: We cannot currently offer the kind of transparency and oversight that individuals like cosmoray and Kwint are clearly seeking. What we will be doing is re-organizing and getting ourselves into a proper position to re-offer this with the ability to audit and for the EVE Public to know that there is oversight. On this attempt at a public offering, we didn't realize that there would be such hostility and concern over the nature of this fund. Most of us do not follow the daily goings on in the Market Discussions and thus were unaware of how hard the EBANK scandal had hit. Obviously, we had seen the news, but, didn't think that it was as bad as it seems to be. We will continue to accept private investment, but will not post the details of that here. If you are interested, you can contact me ingame or through the email address provided on the website. Please watch for us in the future. We do intend to return with a better organized offering. And we will be contacting cosmoray in advance of our return and have him arrange a full audit. A side note: We understand how this retraction will appear to many. We will likely be labeled as fakes or scammers. Simply put, we are okay with this at this time. We know the validity of our fund and we know where we stand. No hostility from the Market Discussions group will change any of that. So, thank you for your time, I'm sorry that this didn't pan out for those of you who were truly interested. We will be back when we can offer more transparency. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:03:00 - [60] Haha

Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:04:00 - [61] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 15/12/2009 20:04:31 And now to await Davramm's third attempt... Or is it General Newbold, which would make this his third attempt?
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir After much debate and deliberation, the Collective and I have decided that we will be retracting this public offering. The Reasons: We cannot currently offer the kind of transparency and oversight that individuals like cosmoray and Kwint are clearly seeking. What we will be doing is re-organizing and getting ourselves into a proper position to re-offer this with the ability to audit and for the EVE Public to know that there is oversight. On this attempt at a public offering, we didn't realize that there would be such hostility and concern over the nature of this fund. Most of us do not follow the daily goings on in the Market Discussions and thus were unaware of how hard the EBANK scandal had hit. Obviously, we had seen the news, but, didn't think that it was as bad as it seems to be. We will continue to accept private investment, but will not post the details of that here. If you are interested, you can contact me ingame or through the email address provided on the website. Please watch for us in the future. We do intend to return with a better organized offering. And we will be contacting cosmoray in advance of our return and have him arrange a full audit. A side note: We understand how this retraction will appear to many. We will likely be labeled as fakes or scammers. Simply put, we are okay with this at this time. We know the validity of our fund and we know where we stand. No hostility from the Market Discussions group will change any of that. So, thank you for your time, I'm sorry that this didn't pan out for those of you who were truly interested. We will be back when we can offer more transparency. Nice try, but I am calling you out here. This is a complete SCAM and was evident from our extensive conversation. Convo Summary: 1. Latesh main is responsible for all pooled ISK and runs the ventures. 2. The main holds NO shares in organisations or alliances. No assets either 3. the main has out of game contacts with these parties. 4. The alliances and corps pay Latesh's main dividends each month in the amount of 30-70B ISK. 5. The main would distribute 75% of this pot to the investors and re-invest 25% After dragging the process out of Latesh, I asked to audit the main character to see the 30-70B coming in each month. Wouldn't do it. I offered to pay for Chribba to audit the main to prove the money is paid each month. Wouldn't do it. Wouldn't trust Chribba. I called it a SCAM, then Latesh asked for 48 hrs to consult investors! It was/is a SCAM, you got called on it and can't back away from it. Full Convo in it's glory
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:16:00 - [63] I'm glad people have gotten wiser to this garbage. I believe that every successful scam leads to a multiple of further attempts. When MD is full of obnoxious scam attempts, it becomes hostile, and genuine offers are thrown out with the bad. The community has developed a surprisingly good system for giving people with an idea and/or some chutzpah the opportunity to make everyone money. When we relax our standards through laziness or greed, we weaken the system, as well as making MD a generally less pleasant community to partake of. /soapbox ...yes, i'm drunk. It's my day off.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.15 21:14:00 - [64] Edited by: Vahdrok Nyrus on 15/12/2009 21:19:38 Originally by: cosmoray snip I see that names have been changeed to protect the innocent. Anyways, they need a month or two to make it look legit to an audit since they probably only have had a weeks worth into this (via webpage updates) and probably only have a weeks worth of trading the same isk, if they even tried that. Be sure to post under a fresh character with some new management mumbo when you come back OP. EDIT: Oh and LOL@ not trusting Chribba and thinking he would blow his entire third party business to screw over this one player. Not even 1T can make him do that, come down off your horse OP. -----------------------------
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.12.15 21:45:00 - [65] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus EDIT EDIT: I still want to know how to go about having someone make me a webpage that looks like that! This is a joke right? I'm having a hard time tasting the sarcasm in this one. As for OP, a friendly bit of advice: Do the planning before you do the scamming. Just because you're trying to trick people instead of making money "legitimately" doesn't mean you shouldn't put a little effort into it.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.15 21:58:00 - [66] Not a joke, that webpage is very nice. I realize I post alot of sarcasim but I honestly like the site and am wondering what it costs to get a webdeisgner to do something like that -----------------------------
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:39:00 - [67] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus Not a joke, that webpage is very nice. I realize I post alot of sarcasim but I honestly like the site and am wondering what it costs to get a webdeisgner to do something like that It's a widely used Joomla template. Joomla is a content management system, it basically unpacks onto your web server and does all the technical parts of setting up a website automatically, then you just have to download the template and tell Joomla to use that one instead of the default, and finally use the WYSIWYG text editor to type up whatever text you want posted. Not to sound like an advertisement or anything, but relevant to the point: It takes about 30 minutes to set up a CMS website, 20 of which is spent uploading the files to your FTP account. It really is a sign of spending as little effort as possible and getting the least unique website you possibly can.
Latesh Verrinoir Infinite Investments	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:52:00 - [68] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir After much debate and deliberation, the Collective and I have decided that we will be retracting this public offering. The Reasons: We cannot currently offer the kind of transparency and oversight that individuals like cosmoray and Kwint are clearly seeking. What we will be doing is re-organizing and getting ourselves into a proper position to re-offer this with the ability to audit and for the EVE Public to know that there is oversight. On this attempt at a public offering, we didn't realize that there would be such hostility and concern over the nature of this fund. Most of us do not follow the daily goings on in the Market Discussions and thus were unaware of how hard the EBANK scandal had hit. Obviously, we had seen the news, but, didn't think that it was as bad as it seems to be. We will continue to accept private investment, but will not post the details of that here. If you are interested, you can contact me ingame or through the email address provided on the website. Please watch for us in the future. We do intend to return with a better organized offering. And we will be contacting cosmoray in advance of our return and have him arrange a full audit. A side note: We understand how this retraction will appear to many. We will likely be labeled as fakes or scammers. Simply put, we are okay with this at this time. We know the validity of our fund and we know where we stand. No hostility from the Market Discussions group will change any of that. So, thank you for your time, I'm sorry that this didn't pan out for those of you who were truly interested. We will be back when we can offer more transparency. Nice try, but I am calling you out here. This is a complete SCAM and was evident from our extensive conversation. Convo Summary: 1. Latesh main is responsible for all pooled ISK and runs the ventures. 2. The main holds NO shares in organisations or alliances. No assets either 3. the main has out of game contacts with these parties. 4. The alliances and corps pay Latesh's main dividends each month in the amount of 30-70B ISK. 5. The main would distribute 75% of this pot to the investors and re-invest 25% After dragging the process out of Latesh, I asked to audit the main character to see the 30-70B coming in each month. Wouldn't do it. I offered to pay for Chribba to audit the main to prove the money is paid each month. Wouldn't do it. Wouldn't trust Chribba. I called it a SCAM, then Latesh asked for 48 hrs to consult investors! It was/is a SCAM, you got called on it and can't back away from it. Full Convo in it's glory Were this reality, a lawsuit would be coming your way for liable and slander. You're lucky it's not reality. Were it reality, I would also have no problem with a company audit. In this case, it's unfortunate that this is not reality. Regardless of what you may believe, this is not a scam and is very real. However, I'm done discussing this here. ----------------------------------- Invest with Infinite Investments - http://www.eve-ii.com We'll turn your investment into profit!
Dagny Bronstein	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:05:00 - [69] First, you give cosmo explicit permission to call your proposal a scam ("it makes no difference to me") instead of him taking the time necessary for arriving at a more solid conclusion. Once he does so, you run to the forums complaining about slander. lol?
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:09:00 - [70] I've heard the UK is a great place to sue for libel. Free jumpclone service: Thread\|Shares available!

Andron Blaxcor	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:29:00 - [71] Wow, put your handbags away, please. If this is a legitimate enterprise, I'm sure they will be back with proof. If it isn't, we'll never hear from them again. If it is legitimate, it is unfortunate that it follows all the patterns a scam may follow. It just doesn't strictly follow that if it looks like this it must be a scam. A scam would look like this, but something that looks like this isn't necessarily a scam. To II, if you are legitimate, come back with something that distinguishes you from what a scam would look like. Then the enterprise begins to look interesting. On the balance of evidence, I believe it to be a scam personally, but am very willing to be proved wrong as the evidence is inconclusive thusfar.
Takemikazuki Celrydreahad Finance	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Were this reality, a lawsuit would be coming your way for liable and slander. You're lucky it's not reality. Were it reality, I would also have no problem with a company audit. In this case, it's unfortunate that this is not reality. lol @ lawsuit its a frickin game and you cant have a simple verification audit done? Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Regardless of what you may believe, this is not a scam and is very real. However, I'm done discussing this here. You make wild claims, why should anyone believe you? Oh right. You are just that honest. I mean, you just want us to infuse our ISK into your untangible supersekret trillion-ISK investment club. Yeah, sounds good!
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir So, thank you for your time, I'm sorry that this didn't pan out for those of you who were truly interested. We will be back when we can offer more transparency. OK, deal. You get back to me when you've had time to get your alts set, gather up enough isk and start moving it around to create the illusion of dividends going in and out. Not to be too nit-picky, but I'm not sure about the "more transparency" part. If you submitted to a full api audit now, it would show everything, but if you want to wait until some of your "sensitive" information is removed somehow, that shows less. You actually want to get back to us when you can offer less transparency. Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir The simple truth here is that we're just EVE Players who had a great idea a year ago. Great idea? Come on, don't be so modest. Try the greatest idea ever! You took isk and invested it into: Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir A Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund B Sub-Capital Ship Production Corporations Fund C High-sec Mining Corporations Fund D Low/Null/WHspace-sec Mining Corporations Fund E Moon Mining Corporations Fund F Courier Corporations Fund G T2 Item Productions Fund H BPO Productions Corporations Fund I Trading Corporations Fund J Mercenary Corporations Fund K Alliance Corporations Fund L Outposts Fund Investing in other players? Genius, pure genius. Who else would have thought of that? Perhaps someone should petition CCP to start a forum where players could discuss investments and the like, I mean, if this radical idea catches on.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex funny stuff My specific favorites: J Mercenary Corporations Fund K Alliance Corporations Fund L Outposts Fund I can't even put together a coherent, satisfactory insult, it's that ridiculous.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.16 00:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray It was/is a SCAM, you got called on it and can't back away from it. Full Convo in it's glory Were this reality, a lawsuit would be coming your way for liable and slander. You're lucky it's not reality. Were it reality, I would also have no problem with a company audit. In this case, it's unfortunate that this is not reality. Regardless of what you may believe, this is not a scam and is very real. However, I'm done discussing this here. Now, now, calm down. I know you put a lot of hours into this but your scam fell through and there's nothing you can do. You just have to take it on the chin like a man. Once the cards are on the table and your bluff is plain to see continuing to posture and bluster just makes you look silly. Either walk away with the few shards of dignity your alt has left or shake hands and give credit where credit is due. This whining and insulting well after its over is just childish. You played a decent gambit but you lost. Acknowledge it and walk away.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.12.16 00:27:00 - [76] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 16/12/2009 00:36:10 Originally by: Kwint Sommer Now, now, calm down. I know you put a lot of hours into this but your scam fell through and there's nothing you can do. You just have to take it on the chin like a man. Once the cards are on the table and your bluff is plain to see continuing to posture and bluster just makes you look silly. Either walk away with the few shards of dignity your alt has left or shake hands and give credit where credit is due. This whining and insulting well after its over is just childish. You played a decent gambit but you lost. Acknowledge it and walk away. You wouldn't recognize a troll even if it hit you in the face. As for the OP, good one, Latifa, keep up the good work. One day you will join Ebank. Black Sun Empire
Bret Caliaro Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.16 00:45:00 - [77] good job cosmoray, you dealt with this with alot more patience than I ever could. _________________________________________________ I'm a so very lazy, so I play smart not hard.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.16 01:45:00 - [78] Fun thing about libel and slander is that I made an accusation. To prove the slander you would have to show that I was not telling the truth, and you would still have to submit to an audit. Anytime this comes back in the future, I would want to see an audit of the money going to the main during June - December 2009. Anyway I have decided to spend some of my well gotten insurance fraud gains. 500M merc retainer has been placed with a KOS (not in wardec, including high sec gank) placed on the OP, matching upto 2B ISK in ship/mod loss done.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:15:00 - [79] Originally by: cosmoray To prove the slander you would have to show that I was not telling the truth, and you would still have to submit to an audit. He could sue you in the UK; if your statement could be read in the UK (that includes any statement on the internet) a lawsuit can be started in the UK. Moreover, UK law says you'd have to prove you're right. There have been cases of US companies sueing US citizens in the UK for something they published in the US. (See the links I provided above.) Free jumpclone service: Thread\|Shares available!
Hoodat Bee	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:17:00 - [80] Edited by: Hoodat Bee on 16/12/2009 02:18:25 As a NB, it's impossible for anyone to be tried for both libel and slander in a purely written conversation, seeing as slander is defamation in spoken form. As an additional NB, in everywhere but Britain, the onus of proving defamation is on the aggrieved party, not the putative defamer. This should be easy for the OP, who need merely prove that his organization -- which apparently prefers to communicate solely in the pluralis majestatis -- is indeed a going concern. However, as the aggrieved party has already admitted that they, at the time of the putative defamation, intended to be perceived as a public party, they'd most likely be required to prove malicious intent. All that NBing aside, I am not competent to dispense legal advice in any part or territory of New Eden, nor should any of the above be construed or misconstrued as such.

Katiana Swan	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:23:00 - [81] Originally by: Hoodat Bee All that NBing aside, I am not competent to dispense legal advice in any part or territory of New Eden, nor should any of the above be construed or misconstrued as such. Usually it's those who work in the legal industry who place such disclaimers
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:28:00 - [82] Originally by: Katiana Swan Originally by: Hoodat Bee All that NBing aside, I am not competent to dispense legal advice in any part or territory of New Eden, nor should any of the above be construed or misconstrued as such. Usually it's those who work in the legal industry who place such disclaimers Are you implying that you think him an incompetent lawyer? Just come out and say it! á á
Katiana Swan	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:34:00 - [83] I am yet to actually see a competent lawyer. However that wasn't the point of my previous post, as you know
Julian Koll The Kollektive	Posted - 2009.12.16 02:57:00 - [84] you guys are aware that this is a game? next thing we'll talk about sueing people for blowing uo ships... anyways, this has been a very intersting thread.
Vitamin B12 Titan Industrial and Technology Systems	Posted - 2009.12.16 07:11:00 - [85] Edited by: Vitamin B12 on 16/12/2009 07:11:36 Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus I'm less interested in this offer and more interested in how I go about gettind a shiny webpage like that for my business. I must know! 1. Download Jooomla 1.5 from joomla.org 1.1 If you dont have a webspace get one free at beplaced.net 2. Upload it on your webspace and install it 3. buy that shiny template http://pic.leech.it/images/573d5brtdimensio.jpg (or download it from warez sites ) 4. install the template 5. use your fail photoshop skills to make a paint quality logo 5.1 If you dont have photoshop pay a 16yo kid to do the pic stuff for you hf. ps: i like my shiny website for investment much more http://titan-empire.tk/
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.12.16 07:17:00 - [86] Originally by: Vitamin B12 ps: i like my shiny website for investment much more http://titan-empire.tk/ This thread is now about shamelessly parading our websites. Same as in my sig, I made it myself, mommy. By the way, I like your site, Vitamin!
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.16 07:59:00 - [87] Originally by: YouGotRipped P.S. Yup, it's definitely Ray. still waiting for the " Sadly, our refinancing scam fell through, so we regret having to inform you that EBANK won't reopen for an additional 3 years or so (you're an idiot if you can't see how that's in our customers' best interest). Please complain to cosmoray. yrstruly Ray " message.
Nouva MacGyver Caldari MacGyver Communications	Posted - 2009.12.16 14:44:00 - [88] The judge says to a double-homicide defendant, "You're charged with beating your wife to death with a hammer." A voice at the back of the courtroom yells out, "You b***d." The judge says, "You're also charged with beating your mother-in-law to death with a hammer." The voice in the back of the courtroom yells out, "You God-dd b*d." The judge stops, and says to the guy in the back of the courtroom, "Sir, I can understand your anger and frustration at this crime. But no more outbursts from you, or I'll charge you with contempt. Is that a problem?" The guy in the back of the court stands up and says, "For fifteen years, I've lived next door to that b***d, and every time I asked to borrow a hammer, he said he didn't have one."
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.16 14:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Latesh Verrinoir Originally by: cosmoray It was/is a SCAM, you got called on it and can't back away from it. Full Convo in it's glory Were this reality, a lawsuit would be coming your way for liable and slander. You're lucky it's not reality. Were it reality, I would also have no problem with a company audit. In this case, it's unfortunate that this is not reality. Regardless of what you may believe, this is not a scam and is very real. However, I'm done discussing this here. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/libel http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slander Just thought I'd point out the irony here. OP says if reality, cosmo would be facing libel and/or slander lawsuit. However, by definition, it would have to not be true for libel and/or slander to be sued for, not reality. Meh. I guess that makes me grammar police or something.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.16 15:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Vitamin B12 snip Thank you very much. I'll get to work on some pictures then. Also, this thread needs less chatter about failed scams and more people posting webpages. I need ideas people! Go go -----------------------------

Angus McSpork Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.16 18:23:00 - [91] Top 5 results for "Ostrich Joomla": http://scaredostrich.com/ http://www.wholesalehandbags11.com/handbags-by-material/ostrich-embossed/ http://www.atexwholesale.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=97 http://www.enjoyphilippines.com/Destination/ostrich-farm-in-opol-misamis-oriental.html http://www.pinayjade.com/fashion/ostrich-leather/
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:29:00 - [92] True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money?
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Kwint Sommer True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money? Buy my jidsale shares.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:44:00 - [94] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Kwint Sommer True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money? Buy my jidsale shares. no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:46:00 - [95] Originally by: Ji Sama no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D Are Ihatalo Cartel (whatever they're called) still doing this? Their offer was really generous.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:52:00 - [96] Edited by: Ji Sama on 17/12/2009 02:52:39 Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Ji Sama no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D Are Ihatalo Cartel (whatever they're called) still doing this? Their offer was really generous. Haven't heard they weren't! Anyways, I got my ISK personally refunded from AC155 :D So I dont have any frozen ISK. But there IS a difference between, MD GODS like myself, and puny newbs like you :D
Kwint Sommer Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:55:00 - [97] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Kwint Sommer True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money? Buy my jidsale shares. no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D Thanks but EBANK made sure I'm well invested there. Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Ji Sama no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D Are Ihatalo Cartel (whatever they're called) still doing this? Their offer was really generous. That's the real reason I'm not doing it. I'd happily buy up 40B at .25 cents on the dollar, perhaps even a bit more but to actually get takers I'd have to pay >40 cents on the dollar for debt currently valued at 20 cents on the dollar and I'm just not prepared to do that, especially not given EBANK's incredibly sluggish response thus far.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.17 02:57:00 - [98] Originally by: Ji Sama But there IS a difference between, MD GODS like myself, and puny newbs like you :D You shouldn't talk to one of your alts this way. It hurts my (your) feelings.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.17 03:00:00 - [99] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Kwint Sommer True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money? Buy my jidsale shares. no you should buy my frozen ebank isk :D Thanks but EBANK made sure I'm well invested there. LMAO, fail :p Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Ji Sama But there IS a difference between, MD GODS like myself, and puny newbs like you :D You shouldn't talk to one of your alts this way. It hurts my (your) feelings. I saw what I did there.
Xornicon Altair Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.12.17 09:08:00 - [100] Originally by: Kwint Sommer True to my word, I freed up 10B on the one in a couple thousand chance that this wasn't a complete scam. Any advice on where I should invest the money? How would you like to invest in a bridge on New Caldari? I hear it's shiny! ----- CCP! Show Us The Alliance Logos!



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