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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Valarkin
Originally by: Eleanor Azuranai This thread is whinier than my Y-T8 afterburner in it's third minute of overload.
Those of us that played Elite are mostly just grateful for solid colour graphics, never-mind stereo sound effects, and are more than happy to assist by reporting bugs (try it, you get a warm fuzzy feeling....This is the game I waited 25 years for, and it's great, and I'm loving it, and it just gets better. Go the Dev crew!
This.
Epic sign with a Titan for a pen.
(Wasted many, many hours with Elite - Eve is the Viagra of video games :)
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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: DocSniper
Originally by: Eleanor Azuranai Those of us that played Elite are mostly just grateful for solid colour graphics, nevermind stereo sound effects, and are more than happy to assist by reporting bugs (try it, you get a warm fuzzy feeling).
For some reason I HIGHLY doubt you played the original and are more familiar with the flash version of the game that is in existence now. I would almost be willing to bet that you were only a glimmer in your parents eyes and weren't even around to experience a 1980's computer system.
But, my gut feeling could be entirely wrong here. Usually it isn't.
Hey, I played Elite on my Commodore 64 - Our computer was in the family room. I'd wait until everyone was asleep, then sneek downstairs to play to the wee hours of the morning with the volume turned 1/10th of the dial :)
37 years old right now - been gaming for 30 years now and will for another 40 :)
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Phelan Votronski
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: DocSniper
Originally by: Eleanor Azuranai Those of us that played Elite are mostly just grateful for solid colour graphics, nevermind stereo sound effects, and are more than happy to assist by reporting bugs (try it, you get a warm fuzzy feeling).
For some reason I HIGHLY doubt you played the original and are more familiar with the flash version of the game that is in existence now. I would almost be willing to bet that you were only a glimmer in your parents eyes and weren't even around to experience a 1980's computer system.
But, my gut feeling could be entirely wrong here. Usually it isn't.
The reason is that you want to elevate yourself above others (much like I do with this post mind you). It could also be related to your advanced age. Old people always think they're special, right? (Note the sarcasm...)
Also SCNR but I hate it when people think they have a reason to be condescending and patronizing just because well they are older than someone else.
I hope this will help with your self-awareness.
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Shadow Messiah
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:18:00 -
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In light of having read all of the above statements towards CCP and how greedy grimy low down and worthless they are. I am lead to not but one question. Out of all those who have complained on this thread, how many where there for CCP when they asked for pod pilots (this means you) to help them in testing this great big huge change to the Sov system, let alone the rest of the changes they have made. As with many countries around the world, those who did not vote have no voice, then so should it be that those that did not help to prevent said issues should have no voice. Instead of complaining, why not try and help fix the issue before or after the come. CCP waists more time digging through crap because those who are too lazy to help fix the problem would rather complain. In short little words either help-(I.E. Not Being A snot Nosed little Flamer) or STFU. Regards, Some-one who voted!
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Diamond Bell
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:29:00 -
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I'm not a programmer. I'm also not someone who grew up from age 4 usin' a computer. I'm 53 and still get confused sometimes just tryin' to work the net. But there's one thing I do know. No product can be tested to perfection prior to public release. This is especially true for a software product as massive in code lines as EVE must be.
I joined EVE because it was a gaming environment different from what I had experienced before. It's a gaming environment that doesn't devolve to "Do A, then Do B, Then Do C, Then Do D. Repeat". It's a gaming environment that is DYNAMIC in nature (for those of you that don't understand that, it means it allows players to affect it's overall performance by the decisions they make in gameplay). Every Decision made by EVERY PLAYER affects the game. Unlike say, Halo, or WOW, which are "line of play" games (Do A, Then B, Then C, Then D. Repeat).
I enjoyed Apocrypha immensely, even though I had some problems with lag and a few other issues. I believed those issues to be related to My computer, as it's an older model single core CPU motherboard, and I usually have 2 or 3 other website access programs running at the same time on other monitors. CPU usage ran right around 35% with Apocrypha, not it's around 60% usage with Dominion. What does that tell Me? A Computer illiterate? That Dominion is a much more complex program than Apocrypha. As a result, the little problems I was havin' increased after release of Dominion, and I expected that. As I said, there is NO product that is ever made available that is 100% glitch free. I'm still havin' problems with lag and EVE resetting itself whenever I go into a combat situation that has a multiple of NPC ships, or even several of My fellow Corp members present on Minin' Ops. And you people are complainin' about 1000+ Player fleets? Try havin' some patience. Personally, I wouldn't WANT to be an EVE employee who's job is trackin' down a single 5 item code line in a program as massive as EVE Dominion must be. I wouldn't want to have to be the technician that has to trace data paths through thousands upon thousands of possible switches, just to find the single switch that should be set to "Off" and not "On".
I enjoy playin' EVE. I enjoy the freedom of choice I have within the game system. I don't enjoy the glitches that came with the Upgrade Release, but I can live with them while the employees of EVE can resolve them.
You can test a product to death in a controlled environment such as a Beta Tester. But it's not until it's put to actual use by the public at large, that ALL glitches become apparent. Of course, you could always play "Chess".
Diamond_Bell
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Bunnyfluff
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler An issue has been discovered that makes outposts and infrastructure hubs vulnerable to attacks without the attacker having adequate Sovereignty Blockade Unit (SBU) coverage in the system. Attacking outposts and/or infrastructure hubs without adequate Sovereignty Blockade Units in the system is an exploit and any incidents will be dealt with accordingly. Situations where attackers have the proper SBU coverage are not subject to this rule.
The problem is under repairs and will be fixed as soon as possible. We thank you for your understanding and patience in this matter.
Well as I see it we are going to get spanked hard for exploiting something that was not tested or known about at the time. I didn't know about it till this very morning which is nearly a week after the patch. Does this mean if I blew up someone's POS or whatever that I would get the boot because CCP didn't do their job right? I like EVE but I play another game Asheron's Call which was touted as one of if not THE best MMORPG in the last 10 years for its type. I have watch them make mistakes of doing away with player chat rooms because they didn't like the things said about them there and then they raised the fee for the game. They now have been pushed by the loss of many of the old hard core players to make another server to test their patches and updates before they put them in the game. This has worked much better. EVE is the most awesome space game I have ever played and is long overdue for me. Don't whip the players because something wasn't done right before implementation of the patch. Just correct it as soon as possible and get on with it. I loved the Klandathu comment BTW! Peace out everyone! Bunnyfluff
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Kinwim
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:54:00 -
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Poetic Justice to all who lost their ships especially capitals, good work CCP how else could you hear the cash registers goes " ca-ching" all the way to X-Mas, so you can PAY BONUSES TO THE GRIEVE-STRICKEN-ECONOMY OF ICELANDERS GMS n DEVS ??
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Scaldari Anitoba
Gallente Avalon WP2 Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:01:00 -
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first off, stop the whining, ya pay more for the garbage churned out my microsoft. second off, they always fix the bugs. you cannot bug test every circumstance, and even then bringing in on a massive scale could change a dynamic within the program and break something. Its a great game, the only one to hold my attention for years and i wish it long life and prosperity. Keep up the good work CCP and remember, the majority of the eve players don't even look at the forums, let alone whine on them! #########################
Fame, or Infamy. Just depends on which side writes the history. Regardless, to be remembered is to be immortal. I wish you all Immortality. |
Kinwim
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Greg DaimYo This time around I am extremely disappointed.
CCP dropped the ball on this one.
I got hit personally, because I actually own a mothership but it's far worse beyond that.
Nothing that was advertised actually works. It's all a big pile of poo.
Even things that worked perfectly well in past incarnations like battles of 400 vs 400 on a reinforced node are now a matter of immediate node-death.
I don't know what went wrong, but something went terribly wrong. I'll look into that single-player Star-Wars-Game they released recently and get a new rig before I'll have a look at Eve again in february, maybe.
This one beats the rest of them though "got hit personally" I thank you on behalf of CCP, doesnt look like you've learnt your lesson.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:42:00 -
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Quote:
I am getting the feeling that 'It's good enough' is the most used phrase in CCPs office.
Sovereignty
Check. It's good enough
Anomalies
Check. It's good enough ...
Interestingly this is what is done in automotive industry - even for secure devices like brakes, often after the first 6 months - 1 year of production. The motto is "good enough" (I am not joking). After the first cars are out and work, the production enters in "cost reduction mode" and they actually remove materials / use poorer ones and make the car worse and overall less secure and durable.
I hear no one complaining that their car got full plastic brake levers instead of partial metal though.
(Yes part of my RL job is to pretend and try and still make cars more or less safe to use after they go in cost reduction mode).
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Misaki Yuuko
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Misaki Yuuko on 14/12/2009 17:49:09
Originally by: TehMasterSword
I repeat, go play WoW, and can I have your stuff?
Hi fanboy, reread my post and realize all where known issues, they released a patch knowing it was bugged. Now STFU and stop sucking CCP c*cks, is not like they are going to give you a free subscription.
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Riddick Blackwater
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:53:00 -
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Is EVE still broke?
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Monistat Seven
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:55:00 -
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Add my cheer to CCP! Keep up the bug fight!
"Every day, Federal scientists (CCP) are looking for new ways to kill bugs. These are the rules. Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself." - Starship Troopers
Originally by: Winters Chill This expansion is buggier than a friday night on Klindathu.
OMG that was WIN! I forgot what Klindathu was until I searched on YouTube. Classic hahahaha! Yeup, truth is told!
However, worth a good laugh, I congratulate CCP on their work to continue to improve Eve and the experience for all.
"It's an ugly planet. A BUG planet! A planet hostile to life" <--- then the reporter is killed by a bug. hahaha
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Skyrape
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:12:00 -
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Whoever wants to quit playing, can you please contract me your ISK and ships?
Thank you!!!
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Green Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:23:00 -
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Hey CCP, I'm curious to know what the bug was that caused the despawning issue.
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yieasase
H3ad 4uarter 69
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:32:00 -
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The requested URL /test/evepremiumpatch119404-120813_test.exe was not found on this server.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:43:00 -
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Not for nothing, but this is ridiculous. You have had ample time to get this right. You wrote and released this software. You have had 2 emergency patches in less than 2 weeks for it.
It's apparent you don't want to release another patch because either you're tired of fixing stuff (we know you let some stuff just languish, sometimes for years). Or perhaps you don't know how to fix it.
In any case the last thing you should do is put the blame on your customers. Yet that is exactly what you're saying here. "We can't be arsed to fix it, so don't do it. And if you do, we'll penalize you."
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Etanna
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:47:00 -
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I've been playing EVE now for more or less 4years on and off. Everytime there is a new expansion there are always bugs/expliots that still get through QA. Someone used the motor industry as an example of how things slip through the QA process. IT HAPPENS PEOPLE!! I had to have something replaced on my 6month old car because they had made a mistake in the production. The same as CCP have done now. Have the patience and stick with CCP. They are doing the best they can with the resources they have. As people have mentioned before IF CCP were to release a bug free expansion I'm sure we would be paying for each and every expansion just like another certain MMO thats out there. And to be quite frank I would be rather playing a game that gets free expansions to make the game better than pay GBPú30 just to play the new areas/levels etc.
Keep it up CCP despite what others think you're doing a great job and please keep the expansions free. |
TehMasterSword
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Misaki Yuuko Edited by: Misaki Yuuko on 14/12/2009 17:49:09
Originally by: TehMasterSword
I repeat, go play WoW, and can I have your stuff?
Hi fanboy, reread my post and realize all where known issues, they released a patch knowing it was bugged. Now STFU and stop sucking CCP c*cks, is not like they are going to give you a free subscription.
I reread your post, an my initial observation still stands true. You are just a buthurt idiot that is truly convinced CCP purposefully releases bugs. You have no proof of this big being reported "hundreds of time". You are so full of **** it's not even funny anymore. You can keep putting whatever label you want onm e, I don't care.
If you want an MMO with perfectly smooth patches, I suggest you uninstall eve, sell your computer, and get a life that doesn't involve complaining about video games.
I'm goin to keep enjoying eve, you can keep acting like a little girl when something goes wrong and raise your blood pressure over Internet spaceships.
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Saffron Liana
Unknown-Entity
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Saffron Liana on 14/12/2009 19:21:55 Edited by: Saffron Liana on 14/12/2009 19:17:49 while reading CCP get flamed on the forums by a bunch of 8 year olds with nothing better to do is fun, I find the quality of the posts here among the same I see in the CAOD forum.....junk.
Now I may not a high end programmer working for CCP, I have done my fair share of coding and know that even simple networking programs can be a challenge to get working and running properly (like encrypted chat room programs, etc...), but still this is part of the software development cycle. Not only has eve had its issues, but anyone remember when Windows XP was released? how about vista? they had issues too....Xbox 360 and it's dashboard? check. Playstation 3, big check, (actually has ANYBODY gotten media streaming to work on that POS???), uhmm, even other video games like Call of Duty World at War.....I stopped playing that because of all the homos using glitches to walk across the sky.
No game is easy to code, and this happens with eve on EVERY expansion. If it really bugs you THAT bad, clone jump up to high sec and get in your implant clone, and skill tank for about a month when an expansion is dropped until the bugs are worked out, because as history shows, that's usually how long we have to deal with crap until several rounds of patches fix the server to make it normal again. Same reason why I wait a year after a new windows release to even try it on my comp, I want M$ to get their service packs, petches, etc so I don't have to deal with a million bugs.
Every software company deals with this, and CCP isn't any different. The ONLY thing that I can agree with that I saw on the forum is that they may have gotten a bit greedy (they're a BUSINESS, that's what they're designed for.....****ing greed), which is why we don't have a basic graphics client for people with lower end machines (like myself), their marketing department thought the game would sell better if it were "prettier" hence the pretty planets, ships, etc, etc, etc.....
As for testing on Singularity, I have done quite a bit of it myself, and have a nice sized bug I would just LOVE to report. Problem is I've scoured this site and google looking for the bug reporting page and cannot locate it. Maybe I just didn't have enough coffee in me when I looked for it last and missed it, but having an easy-to-find report a bug link for SiSi would be more than useful so I could report the massive bug I found and.....oh yeah maybe suggest an improvement here or there such as corp hanger auditing and more useful access rights for hangers....
Still it will all be fixed soon, then those kids with the "I don't like you so I'm going to get 300 of my friends to shoot you and then feel like a big man because I got 300 people to take out 1 ship" mentality can get back to blobbing like the little scared girls they are.
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AgentFruitfly
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:36:00 -
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Confirmed: Dominion results in bigger blobs, not smaller.
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Aeron Sophus
Minmatar Stripper Mine Co.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Saffron Liana
As for testing on Singularity, I have done quite a bit of it myself, and have a nice sized bug I would just LOVE to report. Problem is I've scoured this site and google looking for the bug reporting page and cannot locate it. Maybe I just didn't have enough coffee in me when I looked for it last and missed it, but having an easy-to-find report a bug link for SiSi would be more than useful so I could report the massive bug I found and.....oh yeah maybe suggest an improvement here or there such as corp hanger auditing and more useful access rights for hangers....
Navigation panel on the left side, EVE INSIDER, Bug Reporting. And yes, I agree, it should be under EVE SUPPORT, not EVE INSIDER. Also, have a link: https://bugs.eve-online.com/
And yes, it IS idiotically backwards to have the bug reports at eve-online.com while EVERYTHING ELSE is eveonline.com and redirects there
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kinwim
This one beats the rest of them though "got hit personally" I thank you on behalf of CCP, doesnt look like you've learnt your lesson.
Well, to articulate myself a bit more precise: By "hit personally" I was talking about having a char locked up in a useless ship for an uncertain amount of time, but this is only a small problem when you compare the relatively small numbers of people with chars in motherships to the population of 0.0, hence the personally.
The guys who play the game in 0.0 are pretty screwed atm, because we can't have the epic fights that the new sov-system promises, because the node crashes everytime you stare at it a bit too boldly.
And I am not talking about the actual changes to anomalies etc., because hopefully that pile of poo will be fixed after downtime tomorrow.
I'll buy a new rig after christmas, maybe I'll stop having those pesky client-freezes every 20 or so seconds while undocked.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:25:00 -
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still waiting to find this free EVE expansion you guys speak of... can someone point it out to me? The only thing I keep finding is bug filled, nerf filled craptastic patches to a game that costs $190/year to play.
boot.ini prefs.ini
what's next? ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Gamst
XIII Interstellar Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: TehMasterSword I think HTFU needs to be said in this thread.
It's a free expansion for a game you love. Shut up.
"I'm paying to debug their software."
No you aren't. You are complaining about the bugs. Shut up.
EVE is tough, go play WoW. Can I have your stuff?
Well to be honest it's not really free as we pay month after month after month. That means I pay for this expansion over time. It's nice to think its free though. Eve maybe tough, but that doesn't mean that these Expansions have to come with issues that some haven't seen since 07'. Do you work for CCP because you act like you have been personally attacked on these forums with your angry comments. Other MMO's just milk there customers more because they choose to charge for the expansions which is why I left the other one that I play.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: DocSniper For some reason I HIGHLY doubt you played the original and are more familiar with the flash version of the game that is in existence now. I would almost be willing to bet that you were only a glimmer in your parents eyes and weren't even around to experience a 1980's computer system.
Not everyone here is 16 y.o. like you.
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Zin Bloodjin
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mariokoli Mianana Whining because a computer game has a bug? Considering quitting because a free expansion to a huge, single-shard instance isn't good enough?
HTFU
^^Thread win.
Srsly tho, am I the only one finding delicious irony in ppl who are QQing soooo hard telling others to 'go back to WoW'?
HTFU
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Gary Morgan
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:26:00 -
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Didn`t manage to read through all of the thread but, some things got my attention. There ARE ways to stress test absolutely any system and it does not require 30k people just 2-3 people, some thinking, some dev. work and proper hardware. Testing(QA) was never meant to deliver "bug free" products. It`s purpose is to notify management of the issues. So the whole thread is about how CCP management handles the situation with issues. If they are not major and quickly fixed then the hell with the issues. Although every hugely buggy release leaves bad overall impression.
CCP please stop doing this we love the game and we want it to be the best!
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Desiree Mercelles
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Quince Dupree
Originally by: Desiree Mercelles Edited by: Desiree Mercelles on 14/12/2009 00:13:42 CCP is trying to bring you a great game ... heck, they already have.
Some of the kids on this forum and in-game can't begin to appreciate the level or programming it takes to get a game like this to function.
Jeez ... the guy asked for some patience. And why cant't you have the level of integrity to play the game fair as asked? Somebody got to hold your childish little hands to control yourself?
Chill out a minute, and your world will be rosy again ...
yea ok, I really really wanna pay to debug software...........right on brotha
Well, dude ... again you betray your lack of knowledge of software development. As was stated, there is NO WAY they can test with even a few hundred people all the issues that can arise with 30,000 users ... around the world ... over the internet ... scores of ship types ... many variations of pilot configurations ... endless permutations of conditions and circumstances of battles ...
You have no clue ... just clueless.
The BEST you can hope for is that they isolate and fix, as quickly as possible, various issues as they arise. Then the app will settle out. When have you known them not to settle a deployment out?
As developers add new features in, there are many ways new code-base can affect existing code-base.
I know I'm probably talking to a brick wall, here. But, if you think long and hard, you may begin to appreciate the level of sophistication involved here. If you don't ... or can't ... perhaps you can find another space game of such complexity that you can go over there and play IT.
Let me know once you've found it.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Swidgen Not for nothing, but this is ridiculous. You have had ample time to get this right. You wrote and released this software. You have had 2 emergency patches in less than 2 weeks for it.
It's apparent you don't want to release another patch because either you're tired of fixing stuff (we know you let some stuff just languish, sometimes for years). Or perhaps you don't know how to fix it.
In any case the last thing you should do is put the blame on your customers. Yet that is exactly what you're saying here. "We can't be arsed to fix it, so don't do it. And if you do, we'll penalize you."
*******s way of doing business.
Perhaps you should just be quiet before you embarrass yourself further.
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