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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:06:00 -
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There really needs to be some sort of cap fallout or cloak timer to prevent 'overnight' 24/7 around the clock afk griefing in 0.0 space.
I'm all for griefing people and killing them and hunting them, but it is pretty f'in ridiculous that cloak has absolutely no counters. There's no realistic way to hunt the person, there's no chance their cloak will fail, nothing.
I mean jesus after they've been afk cloaking for 2 hours at least give the cloak a CHANCE to fail What the hell is ccp thinking that this somehow adds somethign to the game? And spare me the BS about "welcome to 0.0 space" bla bla typical stupid comments, make a real argument here if you think this is right.
everything else has some sort of counter or something you can do, however hard, to fight back.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 15/12/2009 20:11:01
Originally by: Cynoslaver everything else has some sort of counter or something you can do, however hard, to fight back.
So does cloaking. Maybe one day you will figure out how. You could start by searching these forums for one of the thousands of threads just like yours, but where someone described strategies for dealing with them.
Oh, and welcome to 0.0. -- He said "The President is near."
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:20:00 -
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Notice it's always idiots like this that reply to a post, say absolutely nothing meaningful or useful in any way, hint at such amazing knowledge they have (but ironically aren't willing to share) and pretend they know a damned thing.
"local" isn't a counter to afk cloaking, afk cloaking is just stupid, it's not strategic. Heaven forbid an eve player actually have to "play" ti grief someone (gasp)...
welcome to stupidity..oh wait you were already there.
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Timothy Heigel
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:27:00 -
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this thread can only end in tears.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:30:00 -
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Note that in EVE, if something gives you an advantage, you have to give up something to get it. If you want to do more damage, you have to sacrifice a lo-slot for a damage mod. If you want the superior speed of a Vagabond over a Stabber, you have to pay more money for it. If you want the ability to go completely invisible, you take a constant penalty to scan resolution, can't target for 20 seconds after you decloak and pretty much can't do anything except watch while you're cloaked - even moving is slow and inadequate. The few ships that are able to circumvent these limitations (i.e. cov-ops, etc.) are either horrendously unsuited for combat (e.g. covert ops), used for a role other than direct combat (e.g. force recons), suited only to one or two very specific combat roles (e.g. stealth bombers) or so prohibitively expensive that using them in combat is tantamount to madness (e.g. blackops).
So in essence, we get back to the idea of giving up something to gain an advantage. The advantage of cloaking is obvious - being undetectable and untargetable, thus providing the ability to observe the enemy without the enemy's knowledge. Contrariwise, what do you give up by being able to cloak?
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE.
Back when I was in 0.0, I was taught very quickly to discern, when I saw a neutral in local, between an actual threat and an AFK cloaker. If people want to pay $15.00 US a month to be the invisible man watching me while I take a shower, let them. -----
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:40:00 -
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you miss the point totally
any number of corpses take alt accounts, completely afk, and just put 1 cloaker in each system of a corp they dont like. Everyone know sthis happens, they don't even have to play the game, they just set it up on a comp they aren't using, on an alt they aren't using (hell i can see 2 of them right now)
they've been in these systems for probably 4 days straight, but depending on your setup, or the size of your group, it DOES effect what you can do.
The very concept is completely ridiculous that you can "not play the game' and yet have this kind of an impact. People have proposed cloak timers (stupid idea) but jesus christ, what MMO out there doesn't have 'activity' timers. wow puts you afk, lotro logs you out, as do most games, if you sit on your ass doing nothing.
half the time you can't login cuz the eve cluster is full...well gee...how about we force logout the peopel who are afk for 10 hours straight?
I mean seriosuly if someone could actually give me a logical reason this should be allowed with no penalties please speak up.
the point is you can't, the only thing you'll say is "umm golly if a cloaker can be found, then what's the point of cloaking';
completley stuipd logic, it's like saying wow....if im a thief and i use stealth but someone can spot me...what'st he point of even trying to stealth around?
if im a criminal and am trying to cheat you, but you can catch me...then why should crime even exist? it's like 10 year old logic for griefers to keep griefing with no effort
if you want to grief fine, but at least be at your keyboard to do it
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 15/12/2009 20:56:12
lol
Threads like this belong in the "Missions & Complexes" forum
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if you want to grief fine, but at least be at your keyboard to do it
It's not griefing - area denial is a strategy as old as warfare itself.
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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:58:00 -
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YESTERDAY I FLEW TO PROVIDENCE 0.0 SAFE SPACE AND WAS BLOWN UP WHILE MINING IN KBP SYSTEM. THIS IS AGAINST MECHANICS OF SAFE SPACE NRDS AND I WOULD LIKE FILE FOR REIMBURSEMENT WITH CCP.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver any number of corpses take alt accounts, completely afk, and just put 1 cloaker in each system of a corp they dont like. Everyone know sthis happens, they don't even have to play the game, they just set it up on a comp they aren't using, on an alt they aren't using (hell i can see 2 of them right now)
Oh well, that's them spending $15 a month to put cloakers in your system. They're still paying to "play" the game. Also, I'd like to point out that if you know they're AFK cloakers and thus won't do anything, what's the problem?
Originally by: Cynoslaver they've been in these systems for probably 4 days straight, but depending on your setup, or the size of your group, it DOES effect what you can do.
How? Again, if you know they're AFK cloakers, why should it matter?
Originally by: Cynoslaver The very concept is completely ridiculous that you can "not play the game' and yet have this kind of an impact.
One could argue that it's equally ridiculous that you can increase your skills without taking any action, or even being logged in, but I have yet to actually see a serious complaint about that on these forums.
Originally by: Cynoslaver I mean seriosuly if someone could actually give me a logical reason this should be allowed with no penalties please speak up.
Can you give me a logical answer to this question? What exactly, other than affect your willingness to undock certain ships or take certain actions? Do the AFK cloakers have any in-game mechanical effect on you? Essentially, what I'm asking, is can you justify to me how AFK cloakers are anything other than specifically your problem, in that you have a problem with them? It's a depressingly common tactic for people playing EVE to paint their own problems with the game or things they dislike about it as things that "everyone" dislikes or has a problem with. -----
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Avoida
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver Notice it's always idiots like me that start these threads, say absolutely nothing meaningful or useful in any way, hint at such amazing knowledge they have (but ironically aren't willing to share) and pretend they know a damned thing.
welcome me to stupidity..oh wait I am already there.
Fixed your post..
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:17:00 -
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oh yeah im sure in all warefare you could deny areas to your enemies while being asleep
f'ing idiot
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:23:00 -
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The answer is quite simple. He can come out of his sleep afk bull **** any time he wants to to prey on people
heaven forbid he has to actually login first to do that.
I notice a common thread in ALL of these posts about this topic and all of the responses (always by the idiots doing it) is that none of them address the issue - afk cloaking - they just whine and ***** and insult about 0.0 and get used to it. They keep posting the same stupid comments without ever making an argument to justify why they can do it.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 15/12/2009 21:25:46
Originally by: Cynoslaver oh yeah im sure in all warefare you could deny areas to your enemies while being asleep
f'ing idiot
Don't think I'm the idiot here.
AFK cloaking is exactly equivalent to mining a harbor or submarine warfare - any given ship is probably fine, but it forces one to consider a major risk, and as such curtails commercial traffic substantially.
Pretty sure guys slept on subs, to say the least of mine teams sleeping easy back on dry land.
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Avoida
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver oh yeah im sure in all warefare you could deny areas to your enemies while being asleep
f'ing idiot
You being stupid and completely incapable of dealing with a cloaked AFK ship who's pilot is sleeping is only your problem. There are innumerable simple counters to cloaked ships (even the dreaded cloaked but active pilot) which you have not yet learned. Do some research or , barring that, try and get a few of those oxygen deprived synapses inside that stale marshmallow planted on top of your neck to think strategically.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:31:00 -
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What's the big deal? You can't rat in a ship that is either too quick for a cloaker to lock, tanked enough withstand an attack, has enough dps to kill cloaker, or cheap enough not to worry about losing?
Or you don't have any safespots in system to bail to? Or you can't align to anything while ratting? Or you have no friends to back you up?
afk cloakers add some risk (and excitement) to an otherwise boring task.
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:32:00 -
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Avoida "Hah I have all these 1337 tactics you just dont know about...I won't mention them here, because like...you know I earned all these things through hard work. I knwo the answer, I just wont tell"
hmm sounds like 5th grade, a: yer full of **** b: your'e liing. There's nothing you can do moron, if he is truely afk he's at a bookmark in dead space. You can't bomb him out idiot. If hes' not afk then he doesn't have to worry about it.
Other guy about that: An even more stupid combat. Just look at your argument.....so you're making the argument that it's jsut like a submarine (which is by NO ways undetectable, laughably not). And that becuase some of the crew sleep in rotations, thus the argument is that it's perfectly acceptable to afk grief cloak while yer not playing eve ;)
Wow...I mean...I'm the idiot here but I just can't argue with that logic...it's probably because it's too intelligent that I simply can't think of any way that it doesn't make sense.... ..... ..... .... lollercaust
wow...next stupid moron who doesn't feel he needs to use actual tactics to grief people please step forward.....what's next......the gun who's bullets fall asleep! :) lol
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Timothy Heigel this thread can only end in tears.
Well, that's the way it started, so it would be fitting. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver
if im a criminal and am trying to cheat you, but you can catch me...then why should crime even exist? it's like 10 year old logic for griefers to keep griefing with no effort
if you want to grief fine, but at least be at your keyboard to do it
How is it even griefing if the person is AFK? There has to be a person at the keyboard to gather intel.
Griefing requires action on the part of the griefer. A cloaked ship can only give a head-count and smack in local.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver
hmm sounds like 5th grade, a: yer full of **** b: your'e liing. There's nothing you can do moron, if he is truely afk he's at a bookmark in dead space. You can't bomb him out idiot. If hes' not afk then he doesn't have to worry about it.
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lollercaust
wow...next stupid moron who doesn't feel he needs to use actual tactics to grief people please step forward.....what's next......the gun who's bullets fall asleep! :) lol
No one who unironically says "lollercaust" can ever call anyone dumb. That is the first rule of the internet.
Second, I'll just post this here again and remove the word submarine, because you read some Clancy novel recently and are under the impression submarines are really easy to find (and I guess they were also easy to find in WWI, when submarines as method of area denial was first employed)
Originally by: me
AFK cloaking is exactly equivalent to mining a harbor or submarine warfare - any given ship is probably fine, but it forces one to consider a major risk, and as such curtails commercial traffic substantially.
Pretty sure guys slept on subs, to say the least of mine teams sleeping easy back on dry land.
edit to add: I'm trying to think of a single area denial strategy that the perpetrators can't sleep on. Mines? Nope. Burning a field? Nope. I'm at a loss here. What exactly are you talking about? What area denial strategy requires being present and awake continuously?
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:44:00 -
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Stop abusing local chat as your intel tool and the issue goes away.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Stop abusing local chat as your intel tool and the issue goes away.
This.
Lowsec and 0.0 are not safe space, deal with it. Either be prepared to fight at any time in case the cloaked ship decides to attack, or go back to highsec where you can farm your level 4s with zero risk. ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
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Jane Hardcore
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:57:00 -
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WoW is THAT WAY ----> |
Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:06:00 -
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Ahh...yes, stop abusing local chat as your intel tool. after all it's your god given right to kill with no risk, roam with no threat, etc etc ;)
again...no actual logical arguments or anything worth sh*t here, just a bunch of flamming nonsense and insults to the "im so cool and this is how i roll you should deal with it'
that kind of says everything, whtn the crybabies abusing a broken mechanic don't want it to change, all they can really do is flame and make stupid comments, never actually debate the justification for it...f'in infants.
and 'easy to find' and 'impossible ti find' are 2 differnt things.
and the pathetic argument about 'well if he's afk' that's the whole point moron, because ccp ALLOWS players to afk in a system 24/7 then their enemies have to play as if he's not afk 24/7, aka it's a broken mechanic, period
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 15/12/2009 22:18:16
Originally by: Cynoslaver Avoida "Hah I have all these 1337 tactics you just dont know about...I won't mention them here, because like...you know I earned all these things through hard work. I knwo the answer, I just wont tell"
You haven't done or said anything that'd make you deserve to know.
Here's an example of how to post a question and get an answer:
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Subject: AFK cloaker strategy
Hi. I'm a n00b in an alliance and we have some AFK cloakers in our system. Can you share any tactics on how to counter these guys? They really put a damper on our mining and ratting ops. We've tried this/that/the other thing but haven't managed to get him. Is there a better tactic or do we just need more patience?
Instead, you posted a crybaby rant about a well-established game mechanic that has been around for years, and then impugned everyone before they even replied, and then wonder why the hostility. Classic troll behavior. You got what you asked for. Now eat ****, loser.
-- He said "The President is near."
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver Ahh...yes, stop abusing local chat as your intel tool. after all it's your god given right to kill with no risk, roam with no threat, etc etc ;)
again...no actual logical arguments or anything worth sh*t here, just a bunch of flamming nonsense and insults to the "im so cool and this is how i roll you should deal with it'
that kind of says everything, whtn the crybabies abusing a broken mechanic don't want it to change, all they can really do is flame and make stupid comments, never actually debate the justification for it...f'in infants.
and 'easy to find' and 'impossible ti find' are 2 differnt things.
and the pathetic argument about 'well if he's afk' that's the whole point moron, because ccp ALLOWS players to afk in a system 24/7 then their enemies have to play as if he's not afk 24/7, aka it's a broken mechanic, period
I could point out you are completely ignoring my point for the second time, but instead I'm going to make fun of your horrible, horrible posting and extremely tenuous grasp of the english language.
Is it even legal for someone under 18 to play this game? Does your mom know you hang out on internet forums typing words like the s - h - asterisk - t word? Because that word is bad.
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Planetary Genocide
Gallente CNK Manufacturing Co
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Planetary Genocide on 15/12/2009 22:17:15 I don't understand what the deal is here. So, you're all ****y and whiny because there's somebody, cloaked, in your system, not doing jack $#!T.
I will now turn on caps lock.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN FIGHT BACK? WHAT THE HELL IS THERE TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST?!?!??! THE CLOAKER IS JUST SITTING THERE, NOT DOING ****! YOU CAN'T FIGHT BACK AGAINST SOMETHING THAT HASN'T TAKEN A SINGLE GODDAMN ACTION AGAINST YOU! CLOAKING HAS COUNTERS! FIND HIS SAFESPOT WHEN HE LOGS ON, SEED IT WITH ANCHORED CANS, AND WATCH HIM APPEAR WHEN HE BUMPS INTO THEM! THAT'S A COUNTER! BUT DON'T COME TO THE FORUMS CRYING ABOUT HOW THERE'S A SCARY MAN IN A CLOAKED SHIP WATCHING YOU CRY IN LOCAL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND HIM!!!!
/rage and caps.
And this definitely adds something to the game. If not denial of land tactics (which are mostly passive tactics; mines, scorched earth policies, and nuking come to mind), then it's espionage, and to catch a spy you have to be clever enough to expose him. In this case, that involves going on the forum, looking through a few pages, and finding mention of a way to decloak someone, i.e. setting an anchored container for them to bump into.
And if **** goes badly, you can just warp to all the planets and moons, set off a few smartbombs, and see what you hit. But please, please, don't bring your BAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWing here, we'll just continue to insult you.
Oh, and it's not "enemy" space unless you own sov, and then, even if you own sov, it's only enemy space to someone if you enforce the laws that you decide to put in place. ______________
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Rail Gun
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:26:00 -
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Cynoslaver, who is your main? I have some spare account's with afk cloakers...
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Cynoslaver
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:28:00 -
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Do you idiots even play this game?
anchor some cans so he can bump into theM?
smart bomb some planets?
what kind of morons are you? You must run into some REALLY stupid griefers for this to work. Even if you could POSSIBLY find their safe spot, which is rpobably the dumbest comment i've EVER seen posted anywhere on this form...ever...and I mean ever.
space is big idiots...that's why they call it space
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver wow...next stupid moron who doesn't feel he needs to use actual tactics to grief people please step forward....
You apparently feel you should not have to do any tactics to defeat the AFK cloaker. That's called Game Balance. You're both just as lazy. Pot meet kettle, you two have a lot in common.
-- He said "The President is near."
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Molly Milli0ns
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:32:00 -
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Every time someone makes one of these threads, baby Jesus cries. And Christmas is right around the corner. You animal.
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