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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.01.29 00:14:00 -
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ok, i started glazing over posts about midway down the page so forgive me if its already been covered.
I think the OP was more concerned about intel (by mentioning an opposing alliance can put an afk cloaker in every single system your alliance holds, effectively giving them 24 hour 100% coverage on intel, minus exact fleet dispositions, of course, assuming he's not on a gate or some place easily accesible) and was not so concerned about her own ship.
While I see her point, the reality is if not them, then spies in your alliance would do this service. Also, if they want to pay an extra 15$ for intel on each system you have, more power to them. They pay for patch upgrades...and hotfixes.
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Cunane
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.29 01:34:00 -
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I saw "Why does CCP allow" as a topic and thought "wow this could be a fun forum game!"
My answer is "why does ccp allow you to own an account despite the fact your not of a sound mind for something as deadly serious as internet spaceships"
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.01.29 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver There really needs to be some sort of cap fallout or cloak timer to prevent 'overnight' 24/7 around the clock afk griefing in 0.0 space.
I'm all for griefing people and killing them and hunting them, but it is pretty f'in ridiculous that cloak has absolutely no counters. There's no realistic way to hunt the person, there's no chance their cloak will fail, nothing.
I mean jesus after they've been afk cloaking for 2 hours at least give the cloak a CHANCE to fail What the hell is ccp thinking that this somehow adds somethign to the game? And spare me the BS about "welcome to 0.0 space" bla bla typical stupid comments, make a real argument here if you think this is right.
everything else has some sort of counter or something you can do, however hard, to fight back.
Maybe they will do it the same day they add "no local" in null sec, as for now I personally enjoy entering a system and making 30 people dock up. It's rather amusing TBH. .....
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2010.01.30 09:20:00 -
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I used to agree with the OP, and loathe...-loathe- AFK cloakers. However, after living in WH space, I really don't. I really agree with all of those posters that say that local is the real issue here, not the cloakers. You are in 0.0 space. Null security. Lawless space. There -should- be somebody always lurking in the shadows, waiting to mercilessly destroy you if you get too careless. The only problem here is that you're aware of when there -aren't- those hostiles lurking in the shadows, so notice when they are present.
Fly in Wormhole space for a while. Get used to -always- flying 100% on guard. :)
Of course, covert cynos and Black Ops jump bridges do suck, and that's not an issue there...Hrm...Ah well. The spirit of my point still stands, I think.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.01.30 10:22:00 -
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I love it how people insists that there is no reallife equivalent to afk-cloaking while those sleeper jihadists sit at kfc and talk about the the last football match just to blow themselves up in a mall the next day :f
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2010.01.30 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r I love it how people insists that there is no reallife equivalent to afk-cloaking while those sleeper jihadists sit at kfc and talk about the the last football match just to blow themselves up in a mall the next day :f
....Guh?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.03 02:11:00 -
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Stealth "local" whine detected.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.02.03 13:35:00 -
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I live in WH space these days. Without local as an instant, infallible source of intel, life actually seems risky. You never know what's lurking out there in the shadows, whether that Drake is just a carebear grinding sleepers or a full-tackle HAM platform with cloaked recon support. Okay, the address book and killboards still provide intel, but it's not perfect and it's not instant.
Then recently I found a WH to 0.0. I went through... one in local, wrecks on scan, Raven on scan, nice! Raven off scan... oh, he's seen me in local. A few minutes later, I see local spike, realise that Teh Blob is here, and GTFO. All because of local. The Raven was easily able to avoid me, and I was easily able to avoid them.
It's just so... stupid. Scouting should be one of the most important professions in the game, but all too often it's relegated to "look at local".
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ZiYauRen
Gallente Sang Do Administraiton Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy
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Posted - 2010.02.03 17:51:00 -
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"Then recently I found a WH to 0.0. I went through... one in local, wrecks on scan, Raven on scan, nice! Raven off scan... oh, he's seen me in local. A few minutes later, I see local spike, realise that Teh Blob is here, and GTFO. All because of local. The Raven was easily able to avoid me, and I was easily able to avoid them."
"It's just so... stupid. Scouting should be one of the most important professions in the game, but all too often it's relegated to "look at local". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What he said....
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Brent riper
Caldari Night Wolves Deprived of Existence by Mercenaries of the Night
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Posted - 2010.02.03 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: ZiYauRen "Then recently I found a WH to 0.0. I went through... one in local, wrecks on scan, Raven on scan, nice! Raven off scan... oh, he's seen me in local. A few minutes later, I see local spike, realise that Teh Blob is here, and GTFO. All because of local. The Raven was easily able to avoid me, and I was easily able to avoid them."
"It's just so... stupid. Scouting should be one of the most important professions in the game, but all too often it's relegated to "look at local". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What he said....
i second that remove local problem fixed.
Now Really srsly another cloaker post.
i stopped being a forum troll for 2 months and i come back and its the same cloaker posts.. why hasnt this been deleted removed locked or what ever there is a good 20 forum threads exactly like this one with the exact same people posting with almost the exact same answers and opinions.
what i find interesting is why does ccp allow THIS thread to be even created when so many other threads consist of the exact same content jst another stupid emo rage quit argument about what OP and others think about cloaking and intel and how they disapprove of such tactics, or lack there of.
answer is always the same let cloakers alone jst remove local aka make 0.0 like w/h space.
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Meredith Midnight
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Posted - 2010.02.04 00:42:00 -
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First - I don't mind cloaking as it is now (though i do support the forced logoff after idle for 30 min deal).
I've always thought the issue with afk cloaking was the fact that they're there, its like a virus, its there, they can attack at any moment and there's nothing you can do about it.
If they're in a station, then you know where they are, and you have reasonably good intel (if its an active system) when they undock, and you KNOW they can't attack you.
If they're unprobable then you can 'get close enough' by warping and dropping bms until you can burn towards them, especially if they're afk for 22/7. And the fact that you know what type of ship they're in gives the defenders the ability to make a counter-measure.
Also, playing at a constant heightened sense of awareness isn't in everyone's book of fun. Those that do would certainly enjoy wormholes. For the rest, 0.0 and empire. Which i think is the central point.
For most people, I assume its fun to know you can be ganked at any time, and that as long as you take a certain amount of precautions, you're relatively safe (a reward for playing smart if you will), and that the deeper you go, the more precautions you have to take.
Casual --> (Empire > Lowsec > 0.0 > WH) <-- Hardcore
That's my 2 cents anyway
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sirchops
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Posted - 2010.02.04 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: sirchops on 04/02/2010 01:45:06 Why Dose CCP Allow Posts About This To Keep Popoing Up?
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Calrissias
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver There really needs to be some sort of cap fallout or cloak timer to prevent 'overnight' 24/7 around the clock afk griefing in 0.0 space.
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Become a 24/7 overnight greifer?
or dont go to 0.0 if u cant handle watching ur ass all the time
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Leviathan Tank
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cynoslaver There really needs to be some sort of cap fallout or cloak timer to prevent 'overnight' 24/7 around the clock afk griefing in 0.0 space.
I'm all for griefing people and killing them and hunting them, but it is pretty f'in ridiculous that cloak has absolutely no counters. There's no realistic way to hunt the person, there's no chance their cloak will fail, nothing.
I mean jesus after they've been afk cloaking for 2 hours at least give the cloak a CHANCE to fail What the hell is ccp thinking that this somehow adds somethign to the game? And spare me the BS about "welcome to 0.0 space" bla bla typical stupid comments, make a real argument here if you think this is right.
everything else has some sort of counter or something you can do, however hard, to fight back.
lolol
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Varlen Korva
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:08:00 -
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Mmmmm....
So many delicious tears from this thread.
Apparently, if you don't agree with the op, your a f'ing 5th grader who is just trolling him...
Im a total carebear, I only run missions, and yes, I'm telling you to f'ing learn to play...
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nether void
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:48:00 -
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Don't have the time right now to read the whole thread. lol Sorry if this has already been said:
I think the counter is that cloaking should use up fuel over time. That would solve this issue. A certain amount of ozone or something per cycle. Just like u-boats needed fuel. Eventually they have to dock up, which is when they're most vulnerable. So then if the cloak needs to dock for fuel every hour or so of continual use, you could at least have a chance at catching a spy as he has to come in for fuel at some point. Add some cat and mouse into the mix.
IMO that would give a bit better balance to the system.
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zanthon
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Posted - 2010.03.05 00:07:00 -
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The current cloaking method is great, in fact its so good that they can log in, cloak up and go to work or school for most of the day and come back and gank someone after they are used to the hostile in system.
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kano donn
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Posted - 2010.03.05 03:16:00 -
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got to the end of the first page before i realized this was a very elegant troll.
.02 isk -
Current Cloak is wonderful, CCP please dont change it.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.05 08:13:00 -
[259]
Silly troll, no feeding for you.
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Tejal Charu
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Posted - 2010.03.05 11:42:00 -
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More like 3.8/10 for lots of replies. |
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Marcus Akhellan
Ch3mic4l Warfare The Ascendent Dominion
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Posted - 2010.03.07 23:27:00 -
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Get rid of Local *everywhere* - Never made sense anyway.
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Bud Johnson
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.03.08 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: kano donn got to the end of the first page before i realized this was a very elegant troll.
.02 isk -
Current Cloak is wonderful, CCP please dont change it.
Yeah. Elegant. Like clubbing a baby seal.
I give it a 10/10 for 8 pages sense he last posted though.
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Kroma BaSyl
Amarr Snickers Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.09 20:26:00 -
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A simpler solution would be to just remove local, then you can't be griefed by afk cloakers.
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Larinioides cornutus
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Larinioides cornutus on 10/03/2010 10:16:37
Originally by: Kroma BaSyl A simpler solution would be to just remove local, then you can't be griefed by afk cloakers.
And remove easy belt bookmarks in 0.0/low sec as well, make them all anomalies-style. Then ppl cant just randomly jump on a belt hoping for a lucky hit.
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VanNostrum
Tigers Of Anatolia
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Akhellan Get rid of Local *everywhere* - Never made sense anyway.
This You already have a chat window with corp, alliance, stamp collectors' club etc why have a chat channel with entire system? This causes problems in trade hubs as well. You can already open convo, create-join channels anytime. Why have a local? Why should we have an instant intel on who entered the system, his/her name, corp, alliance, kb info on various sites as well as forum posts, even personal info if we try?
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Kroma BaSyl
Amarr Snickers Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.10 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Larinioides cornutus Edited by: Larinioides cornutus on 10/03/2010 10:16:37
Originally by: Kroma BaSyl A simpler solution would be to just remove local, then you can't be griefed by afk cloakers.
And remove easy belt bookmarks in 0.0/low sec as well, make them all anomalies-style. Then ppl cant just randomly jump on a belt hoping for a lucky hit.
Seems unnecessary, since there are both anomalies and belts in most systems, only the stupid would hang out in belts, and I disagree the mechanics of game should prevent stupidity.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:19:00 -
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How about we just get rid of targeting, that way no-one can gank each other. -----
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Dark Lightening
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:22:00 -
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Who decided to raise the zombie thread?
Oh, and cloaks are fine. AFK "griefers" aren't doing much griefing while they are AFK. They are there so you get used to them in local and let your guard down to them, to take away your advantage you get when you watch local for new reds/neuts.
Stay ganged up with your corp mates in system and aligned out, so when they suddenly stop being AFK and try to grab your carebear ass you can still get away. Or move to another system.
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Syryin
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Posted - 2010.03.10 23:57:00 -
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Gonna step out on a limb here, I believe (smack talk aside) that the OP is absolutly correct. I mean, how can people be expected to play this game when there are shadows lurking everywhere?
But it is my firm belief that the OP didnt go far enough. I believe null sec NPC stations should be removed from the game as well. Those pesky shadows can dock...and then we can't rat in saftey cause they will undock and spook us. Furthermore, I would like to have complete control over the jump gates so when im in system, i can turn them off and deny traffic "so's i can rats with me privacies".
Actually, rolling with that point, CCP just needs to give each player his own system. Lets just take gates and interaction completely out of the game. That way, CCP (and the rest of us) wont have to read about whiny little pilots getting aggro'd over dumb stuff.
And lets take away recons cause they have devil devices that make me think everyones out to get me. And lets remove guns and missile launchers too. And while it hasnt been said before, i strongly believe that points are well overrated and are ready for retirement. I mean, come-on...if i wanted to pvp, id go pvp. Right?
--all bs aside, I fly in hostile null w/o the full support of a fleet or docking rights. I rat, i gank, i scan for wh's and anoms and go with the flow. And i use my cloak to do just that, go afk for a few minutes. Beats choosing between losing my ship and losing my blatter to infection.
Guess what im trying to say is, you have taken one use for a module and applied your ignorant interpretations to all who use it, even though there are a plethora of uses for it besides afk grieving.
CCP, please give him his own closed off system or a prescription of Paxil so that he may continue to live life without this overwhelming paranoia he seems to have acquired.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.03.11 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Peeping on 11/03/2010 01:21:30
Originally by: Cynoslaver oh yeah im sure in all warefare you could deny areas to your enemies while being asleep
f'ing idiot
hmmmm.... actually, the "threat" of being able to apply force with very little warning to an unprepared enemy is a very common tactic... used in modern warfare, historic warfare, and (gasp) this game. spies and scouts are also extremely common.
Second, a cloaked ship is a bit of a threat, yes.... but it's also a very common tactic to try to restrict an enemies ability to gather resources via either threatened or actual force. In all honesty, despite all the complaints that this tactic gets, this element of eve adds a massive element of realism to the game presuming the presence of local as an intel tool. The only way to make it better imo would be to get rid of local entirely.
Lastly, a cloaked ship is often very intentionally trying to make you feel "safe" because you think they are afk? On what basis are you presuming you know, without any doubt that they are simply perma afk... exclusively to bother you? If you're so certain of this, why does it bother you? If you know without any doubt that they are afk, then feel free to rat without any concern. If they might not be afk, then it's working as intended.
Sorry to disagree with you mate, but there's some very decent reasons to hold the opposite opinion. It's not just that CCP are ridiculous. You're welcome not to like it... but that's a whole separate issue.
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