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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2009.12.19 11:01:00 -
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The way I see the AFK Cloaking issue, the OP sees a target he is wanting to KM, but just can't. Kinda like my dog.....I set out a doggie treat on the counter top, and yes he knows it's there, he smells it, he wants it, he can't reach it, so he will whine and cry till somebody gives it to him.......
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.12.19 20:54:00 -
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I still fail to see the issue, if hes afk he isnt killing anyone, an your all het up scared he's gonna come an get you ? lol why are you in 0.0 ? seriously, not trying to be funny..... why are you in 00 if this bugs you so much. This old chestnut never goes away, in every MMO where thee is a stealth issue, everyone cry's "waaa he can do something I cant do, nurf him or give it to me!!".... yawn
Fact is You choose to play EvE Online, CCP dont hide the fact 00 is a free-fire zone, they encourage lieing cheating stealing griefing ganking an every other term you can come up with. You agreed to this when you ticked the TOS.
AFK cloaking is a non issue whatsoever, Recon/SB hulk hunters or just solo roamers or even spys its all part of the game.
For all you know a recon could be waiting for the word to light off his cyno. Can be any number of reasons hes afk
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zill I still fail to see the issue, if hes afk he isnt killing anyone, an your all het up scared he's gonna come an get you ? lol why are you in 0.0 ? seriously, not trying to be funny..... why are you in 00 if this bugs you so much. This old chestnut never goes away, in every MMO where thee is a stealth issue, everyone cry's "waaa he can do something I cant do, nurf him or give it to me!!".... yawn
Fact is You choose to play EvE Online, CCP dont hide the fact 00 is a free-fire zone, they encourage lieing cheating stealing griefing ganking an every other term you can come up with. You agreed to this when you ticked the TOS.
AFK cloaking is a non issue whatsoever, Recon/SB hulk hunters or just solo roamers or even spys its all part of the game.
For all you know a recon could be waiting for the word to light off his cyno. Can be any number of reasons hes afk
I'm kinda curious how the above meshes with your "waah, there's a can on the gate, not FAAAAIIIRRR!!!!"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:08:00 -
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The only change I can agree with is that there be a logoff triggered after a given amount if inactivity. Not because of AFK Cloakers or the OP's emoraging display of his inner Jan Brady, but because of bandwidth.
The real greifing is from people who don't log off and use up bandwidth, keeping you from logging on.
I have met players who think that docking is comparable to logging off. Yes that's true. There are also people who think the CDROM/DVD drive is as cup holder.
It would be a good bandwidth and resource-saving measure to detect total inactivity and log them off. The assumption that all cloakers are AFK and griefing is outright wrong and given the reason to cloak, that player might be doing any number of things while cloaked. But honestly going to bed or to a movie while cloaked or even docked and logged in is somewhat inconsiderate. Bandwidth costs money, and the more bandwidth that must be paid for by inconsiderate or stupid people the less profit and that means less development for the game. There could already be a lot we are lacking because some knucklfutz thinks it's cool to stay logged in while he snaps the carrot or goes on a date with his cousin.
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 19/12/2009 21:16:58 I am sitting outside an enemy POS for the last 2 hours waiting for the reds in system to finish the deanchoring so that I can ninja it with my trusty blockade runner. At the critical moment, I get forcefully logged off. Why should this be possible?
All of the threads about cloaks are just whines from people that can't handle this part of gameplay. HTFU or GTFO.
TL;DR wah, wah, I am afraid of my own shadow, mommy! make it go away!!!
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zill on 19/12/2009 21:33:19 lol Marko, fair point :) but my "waaa" is valid to a point... I don't want containers removed or nurfed. I am just *****ing for sake of *****ing about it heh
edit, Tagami I am so disillusioned man, I went back to Prov last week for first time in months, only to find the vaunted UK gate camps in 4b etc were gone.....sigh come back!!! :)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 19/12/2009 21:16:58 I am sitting outside an enemy POS for the last 2 hours waiting for the reds in system to finish the deanchoring so that I can ninja it with my trusty blockade runner. At the critical moment, I get forcefully logged off. Why should this be possible?
All of the threads about cloaks are just whines from people that can't handle this part of gameplay. HTFU or GTFO.
TL;DR wah, wah, I am afraid of my own shadow, mommy! make it go away!!!
TL;DR I am too lazy to double click once every 2 hours to make sure i am not logged off. Although personally i think being able to probe cloakers with long cycle time and as result where they were in beginning of the probe cycle would be a better solution.
All of the threads about AFK (FFS we dont care about you hanging around cloaked, we care about you hanging around cloaked and sleeping and us not being able to kill you) cloaking attracts some people who cant handle the part of gameplay where they are at risk in 0.0 when away from their computer and in a pvp ship.
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Konrad Zsou
Trade Vexillum
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Posted - 2009.12.20 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
2. But if you want to go ahead and remove local (but still allow us to probe afk cloakers), next double/triple 0.0 income to keep it useful compared to high sec missions.
This shows exactly why the OP is mad at cloakers. It disrupts his isk making. If you want free ISK go back to Empire, 0.0 is about PvP and holding space not your isk/hour ratio.
+1 getting rid of local
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.20 10:34:00 -
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Fail, so you say we should use mission alts to make our isk and 0.0 is eves pvp arena?
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Aralieus
Amarr Traumark Logistics H Y E N A
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Posted - 2009.12.20 20:37:00 -
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Protip: Put a afk cloaker in the same system as well, that way we will think twice before uncloaking and trying to kill one of your peeps when he doesnt know whats out there. But in all seriousness why are you in 0.0/Low sec if this bothers you so much?
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Russian Mistress
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Posted - 2009.12.21 09:28:00 -
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I find these cloakers sitting in your systems 24'7 pretty annoying.
Maybe a cycle time for a cloak module would be a nice idea not to let ppl scout U 24'7 being afk.
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Webcam4Isk
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Posted - 2009.12.21 17:14:00 -
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Andreus LeHane, you said the following...
Oh well, that's them spending $15 a month to put cloakers in your system. They're still paying to "play" the game. Also, I'd like to point out that if you know they're AFK cloakers and thus won't do anything, what's the problem?
People like that dont actually pay for that account, they use ISK from there 0.0 pos's that makes them billions a week, 600mil or whatever every 2 months is nothing for the sake of 2 months game time..
i dont know if anyone else has replied to you.. i got half way down page 1 and got bored of this thread nevermind the other 3 pages of crap
but yeah i agree.. afk cloakers should be fixed, it is annoying and its not only in 0.0 you get them in low sec too, which also s u c k s, so yeah nothing will ever happen about this.. same with local chat window.. why its even there i have no idea but whatever.. thats another story
good luck on your rant with getting afk cloakers fixed but itll never happen
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.12.21 17:16:00 -
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I iz in your system... not doing much akshully.
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venariel
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.21 18:42:00 -
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actions to take if there is a cloaker in your system: 1. Keep your scanner up and continue what you were doing that way if he "wakes up" upon "sensing" that your in "his" system you can be ready and warp away. 2. Choose a different effing system. 3. If he wakes up and comes after you, kill his ass then resume what you were doing. 4. If you determine he is in fact asleep then continue what you were doing and thank your lucky stars that scary man in deadspace wont notice you.
In conclusion afk cloakers arent that big a effin deal dude stop *****in.
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NobodyHolme
Gallente Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vaneshi SnowCrash I iz in your system... not doing much akshully.
Quoted because I agree.
Might even be waiting for your local to die down so I can light a covert cyno up when your defences are weak.
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Webcam4Isk
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Posted - 2009.12.22 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: venariel actions to take if there is a cloaker in your system: 1. Keep your scanner up and continue what you were doing that way if he "wakes up" upon "sensing" that your in "his" system you can be ready and warp away. 2. Choose a different effing system. 3. If he wakes up and comes after you, kill his ass then resume what you were doing. 4. If you determine he is in fact asleep then continue what you were doing and thank your lucky stars that scary man in deadspace wont notice you.
In conclusion afk cloakers arent that big a effin deal dude stop *****in.
ok how about, we now have a scanner with a timer i cant hit my scanner all the time without getting a stupid error saying our data bases are to crap to support your button bashing power
secondly.. no i wont change system.. this is my home !!
thirdly he wont come after you, how would you like me to stand in your bathroom and watch you taking a crap ? i like to be alone sometimes..
and last but not least.. how will he not notice you.. hes in local FOR YOU !!
as yes this is a problem because its made alot of people cry about this there is plenty of posts out there about crap like this, if it was a high sec carebear problem then this would have been fixed already because the amount of carebears that would cry
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Nikita Stark
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Posted - 2009.12.22 06:11:00 -
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I didn't bother reading passed the first page sorry.
Cynoslaver, you are not listening to anything anyone has to say.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.22 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer The only change I can agree with is that there be a logoff triggered after a given amount if inactivity. Not because of AFK Cloakers or the OP's emoraging display of his inner Jan Brady, but because of bandwidth.
As long as it applies to everyone equally ("AFK" cloaker and POS hugger and AFK Docker) then I'm ok with it.
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Codo Yagari
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.22 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Codo Yagari on 22/12/2009 09:08:34
I think the original poster is absolutely correct.
The cloaking mechanics definitely need a change. Perhaps cloaking should drain the capacitor? Or even better, require a specific type of fuel?
The way a hostile pilot is able to camp a system for hours, days and even weeks, cluttering up local with their presence, is ridiculous.
Also, CCP needs to look at the scanning mechanics in general, making it alot easier to track down other ships in a system. Way too many fights are centered around gates or stations.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.12.22 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer The only change I can agree with is that there be a logoff triggered after a given amount if inactivity. Not because of AFK Cloakers or the OP's emoraging display of his inner Jan Brady, but because of bandwidth.
As long as it applies to everyone equally ("AFK" cloaker and POS hugger and AFK Docker) then I'm ok with it.
-Liang
Agree the moment you jump to the system even in cov ops, everyone knows your here they just dock or go back to the pos. "afk" cloaking I consider it the legal tactic against allmighty local.
Remove/nerf local we can talk about nerfing cloak.
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Geonin
Amarr No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.22 18:57:00 -
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I think cloaking is perfect as is right now in eve.
It actually allows people to do proper recon work.
It prevents people from feeling completely safe. It's working properly it has cynoslaver so worried that he/she has to post on the forums to complain. If it wasn't working properly then you wouldn't be very concerned at all - would you?
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2009.12.22 21:56:00 -
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Op provide a use case or stop whining.
If you cant provide a use case where the scenario occurs that it negatively impacts you with no possible recourse, then your point, and entire op is moot.
But I do like the tears. Gave me a lol.
Use case or STFU (and Im going to bet any use case you can post, I can tear down very quickly with manyt possible counters based on current in game mechanics.)
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2009.12.23 12:56:00 -
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This what happend when CCP forces Carebears to come to 00. Damned Dominion Patch ...
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Fireblade Stu
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Posted - 2009.12.23 13:47:00 -
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Excuse the n00bishness of this question, but how do you tell the difference between a cloaked player (that may or may not be AFK) and someone hiding in a safe spot in the system? Also if he / she aint at the pc and is cloaked. whats the big prob?
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2009.12.23 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Wacktopia on 23/12/2009 15:07:15
Originally by: Cynoslaver Even if you could POSSIBLY find their safe spot, which is rpobably the dumbest comment i've EVER seen posted anywhere on this form...ever...and I mean ever.
Heh, this comment made me laugh out loud (lol to all you 1337z0rs posting).
Anyway, I thought I'd offer up some friendly advice to you, Cynoslaver.
1) When you post on these forums, why not spend a little time on your post to ensure that you have used punctuation and grammar to the best of your ability. Typing in lower case only with no punctuation or random capitals half way through the line makes your post hard to read. People will not bother reading it or not value your opinion.
2) Don't swear at people (or use that annoying abbreviation you keep using). Swearing has a place, like if you lost your +5s getting podded, but not when you're having a discussion where there are two or more differing opinions. Swearing just annoys people and makes you look immature, damaging your original argument.
3) Don't assume that anyone that disagrees with your opinions is an 'idiot'. This makes it look like you don't know how to make your point clear and are clutching at straws because you feel your position has been compromised. If someone doesn't agree don't take it personally.
4) If your parents pay for you to play a game like EVE, where many of the players are in their late 20s or 30s, don't go around speaking and acting like you are in some teen chat forum. You are not. Shouting and abusing people may work whilst you are amongst your young, skittish peers but it is a complete bore to the rest of the human population.
Have a nice day!
Edit: I forgot to answer your question. How rude of me. Well, CCP allow "afk cloaking" in space because EVE just isn't a very nice place to be and this helps make it even nastier. ---------------------- They're angry there was damage done to their ship. |
Belkadan
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:05:00 -
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I've read throug a fair amount of this thread and I'm finding a whole bunch of useful advice and sound arguments as to why ask cloaking is perfectly acceptable. The ony counter-argument the OP seems able to gather is "How can afk cloaking be allowed?!?"
He seems incapable of actually reading other people's posts unless they're a carbon copy of his own. He's like many other whiners that constantly complain about game mechanics because they're not able to think of a way to counter it. They seem so angry about their inability to do anything that they become so defensive they don't think clearly. This is a vicious cycle.
OP, take a nap, calm yourself, pretend you actually respect other posters, and read; really really read what they've written. Maybe then you'll have an epiphany and stop whining like a goddamn toddler.
I'd respond to his posts directly, but I'd rather not waste my time with such an inconsiderate person.
To those who've taken the time to counter his pitiful complaints, I applaud you, you're more patient than I.
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Jodi Goulsti
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fireblade Stu Excuse the n00bishness of this question, but how do you tell the difference between a cloaked player (that may or may not be AFK) and someone hiding in a safe spot in the system?
If he shows up on your scanner, he's not cloaked.
But honestly, it's not incredibly difficult to get safespots that are unscannable from celestial objects.
Once CCP "fixes" cloakers, they need to address the "issue" of deep safe spots. After all, why should *I* be forced to hide in my station when there's someone who might shoot me in local?
Quote: Also if he / she aint at the pc and is cloaked. whats the big prob?
Um, haven't you been following along? There's ABSOLUTELY NO COUNTER to someone cloaked in local. One cannot simply spring a trap without allocating the resources of the entire alliance to deal with the cloaker. One cannot simply fit some PVP modules that can deal with a gimped cloaker. One cannot simply hop into an adjacent system. One cannot stay aligned and warp off in the time that it takes the cloaker to get a lock.
NO COUNTER, I TELL YOU!!!11!!!UNO
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Elora Danzik
Caldari Idiots In Spaceships Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:40:00 -
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first off its 23/7..unless there's a patch then it could be less.
Second. They have to log back in after down time.
Third. Unless you are playing all 23 hrs for the last four day then you don't know if they have been on the entire time.
Fourth. The cloaker won. By shutting you down.
Fifth. Ideally, a cloaker would not sit in an off grid safespot. If they are gathering intel, which is usually the point, then they "should" either be checkingg moons, sitting off grid off system station, or watching a gate. The station a gate for the obvious reason of watching traffic.
Sixth this is the thrid thread I've seen on this issue and everyone says the same thing. HTFU. Either learn to smoke them out, or just go about your business with standard 0.0 safety in mind.
If local spikes or a cyno lights, bug out.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.23 20:25:00 -
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As has been mentioned throughout the thread, I think the real problem is the local channel and its instant member list. First that needs to be fixed so that it's a chat channel and not an intel tool. Of course, some type of scanning overhaul probably needs to replace it. Then, if need be, cloaking mechanics can be looked at (though I don't think they'll need to be).
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Hoodat Bee
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Posted - 2009.12.24 03:42:00 -
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Posting to confirm that Predator drones can be put into a holding pattern while the controller is doing something else.
US Military -- IN UR SKIES GRIEFIN UR DUEDZ AFK!!
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