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Ripcha Headov
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:06:00 -
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Fit up some insured RR bs's with your new corp mates, find these 'gonadally deficient twits', and blow them up till they pull the wardec... you never know, you may just have some fun whislt doing it.
Eve is a harsh place. Scamming, extortion and skullduggery is all part of the game. Adapt and survive.
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Vherr Arkhar
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:06:00 -
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I don't see the problem? You either fight back or leave the corp. So... uhm. Where is the forcing?
Ok, so some people like to fight people that fly expensive ships that suck horribly in pvp. We all know why: High profit at zero risk and the fullfillment of 'pwning some carebear noob' and being really tough about it. *sigh*
Just face it: you can avoid wardecs. Just leave. But as much as I resent those pure-grief-wardecs: this is still eve. So either try something like pvp and fight back (if thats possible against some corp wich most certainly estimated their chance of losing at ... ZERO) or leave.
Yeah, it's a little sad, that there is no peace... but cummon, what would eve be without some threat? Even bullying? Extortion? Survival of the ruthless?
Its EVE! It wouldnt be eve without those wardecs and scammers and 'lol noob im so tough i gank your mission boat' losers. Also eve wouldnt be eve without carebears, pirates, alliances, t1 frigates, titans and whatnot.
The game is unfair. I consider it a challenge to play fair in this game. Because the grief and the childish 'gank' pvp is the easy part.
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Canary Man
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:06:00 -
[33]
Can't you just get 1 man alt corps * 3 to war declare your own corp to stop anyone else from declaring, or is there no limit to number of war declares?
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Pankas Carter
Amarr
Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:07:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Ohhh Matron
Edited by: Ohhh Matron on 23/01/2010 14:03:37
Just have a go. We had a three man corp once and got decced by a small corp who wanted to ransom our POS. In the 24 hour grace period I took down the labs and removed most of the fuel from the POS just leaving it with shield hardners, a couple of damps and some rail batteries.
In the end we decided even though we had zero pvp experience to 'have a go'. So we fitted up a cheap T1 Megathron and a couple of drakes and went in to take on the guys taking down our POS.
Over the course of that evening they lost three battleships and we lost none AND we got to take down our POS and tuck it away safe. We didnt smack and the other guys were actually very good about it, no hard feelings and all that. They even said that they only wanted 100million as a ransom.
Was the best night of playing Eve we'd had. I didnt sleep much that night I had so much adrenaline pumping.
Get a load of T1 cruisers and frigs fitted out with loot/junk (I take it your corp has a cheap ship hanger with loads of cheap loot modules) and get into some jump clones and have some no risk fun.
It taught us a lot and it brought us closer as a corp. Sometimes a percived problem can be a blessing in disguise.
Also teaches you that having all the mineral processing skills to level 5 is worth jack if you cant field 5 drones or a HAM launcher.
Nothnig worse than being in a indy corp and getting into a tight spot and asking "ok who can fit a webber or scram?" silence.....
You'd be surprised how rarely you get smack, when you don't dish it out first. Nice job on that POS. If you are afraid to die, I would say you're "doing it wrong" - the worst that can happen is you lose some ISK and wake up in station. You took the risk, rose to the challenge, and look what you have under your belt now!
OP: Give it a try. If you guys can manage to make the best of it instead of being afraid, it might actually end up being fun. If you are civil about it, it usually turns out nice. And if it's a 200:1 gankfest, well, if you keep from smacking they might just get bored and leave off. It seems that the motivation to do that kind of thing is to get tears back. Remove the motivation for it to happen.
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Babel
Ma'asei Merkabah
Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:09:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Babel on 23/01/2010 14:11:14
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE
When you want to chill out and relax in a peaceful pastoral environment, do you similarly dress up in protective gear, take some fake guns and have a picnic in woodland used for Paintball?
I think that's a fair analogy ... The primary purpose of EVE is an arena for PvP, there's levels of 'security', but noone has a 100% Opt-Out option :)
EDIT: And yes, most likely this thread will spur a number of people to deliberately follow you with wardecs in an attempt to clarify for you exactly what EVE is ....
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Sovox
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:11:00 -
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Tippia pretty much summed up EVE with this "PvP is everywhere by design".
OP you do realize that even mining,building and selling on the market is PVP as well.
Welcome to a sand box and yes i still hate you!
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thetrel
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec.
Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard.
tldr version: "I hate wardecs, that makes wardecs broken. fix it. nao."
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Klee Tarris
Amarr
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone.
Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible.
Go and take a look at the 'My EVE' section of the forums. If you can find any movies of people mining, manufacturing, researching, inventing, mission running or ratting then let me know.
EVE is a PVP game. It's mechanics are built around PVP. If you want to just make money from whatever profession you choose, that's cool, just appreciate that not everyone feels the same. And if those same people want to take what's yours, and choose to wardec you to get it, then you have choices to make. Fight back, or pay the ransom !!
Adapt or die, but please stop ****ing whining !
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone.
Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible.
Newsflash: Eve is a war game, from top to bottom. No matter what you do in the game, you're involved in it in some way or other.
Originally by: Akita T
this whole game is just me playing with myself
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone.
Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible.
please go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Btw I just quit a corp that decided to run away from ONE MAN wardec .... 17 people could not fight back, they just packed and moved 12 jumps away. Some people are not suited for EVE.
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Canary Man
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:38:00 -
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Is there a max number of war declares that can be active on a corp?
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Wenisicia Corrino
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:43:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Babel
Edited by: Babel on 23/01/2010 14:11:14
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE
When you want to chill out and relax in a peaceful pastoral environment, do you similarly dress up in protective gear, take some fake guns and have a picnic in woodland used for Paintball?
I think that's a fair analogy ... The primary purpose of EVE is an arena for PvP, there's levels of 'security', but noone has a 100% Opt-Out option :)
EDIT: And yes, most likely this thread will spur a number of people to deliberately follow you with wardecs in an attempt to clarify for you exactly what EVE is ....
LOL...they have to FIND me first. As for being an "arena for PvP"...then why allow any PvE experiences at all. Just turn the whole game into a grand bloody arena?
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
LOL...they have to FIND me first. As for being an "arena for PvP"...then why allow any PvE experiences at all. Just turn the whole game into a grand bloody arena?
It already is. The vast majority of the things you think of as PvE are in fact PvP activities at heart as well.
As for why they're there: to create an influx of money and basic building materials that drive the PvP.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:47:00 -
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Actually, wardecs do have an issue.
Namely: there is no way to hold someone responsible for a wardec they clearly can't support with actual fighting. Moreover, there isn't even a way to force such a wardec to a premature end.
In my opinion, wardec, being a legal declaration of an actual war, should contain a clear way for the "victim" to stike back, and, should "aggressor" fail to withstand such a strike, "victim" should have an option to end the wardec then and there. For example, "aggressor" should be forced to specify a non-highsec POS as an "op base", and, should that POS become reinforced, be forced to pay up a retribution and either give "victim" an option to end the wardec or specify a new POS under the same conditions.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:50:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
LOL...they have to FIND me first.
"Let me talk tough now that I've just finished whining about how much I hate getting picked on. They'll never find me now that I'm docked N TEH FORUMZ!!!"
Seriously, just give your stuff away and leave so the rest of us degenerates can go about enjoying our game.
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Alamut Ibn'haboob
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Posted - 2010.01.23 14:51:00 -
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When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec.
Wenisicia Corrino, it's a part of the game. Corruption and extortion are a part of real life (unfortunately), and so it is with this particular MMO. A simple way to avoid this is to avoid joining smaller player corporations, and stay with an NPC corporation that cannot be wardec-ed. Although I stay in high sec, I fully understand the position of the nullsec players who call individuals like you "care bears". Many of the changes that have been instituted in this game so far have been as a DIRECT RESULT of the incessant care bear complaints. The EVE-Online universe is a dangerous place, something any casual gamer MUST understand from the start.
So that we understand one another: "if the kitchen is too hot for you, get out of the kitchen".
Funny though that you should choose the Corrino name for your character. The Corrinos were well known for their treachery in Frank Herbert's "DUNE".
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:02:00 -
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Eve needs the risk and piracey and the fact that people can pretty much do what the hell they want and get away with it, its all part of the fun and what makes Eve, hell if Eve ever changed I would stop playing.
I like the fact no matter where you are even if you decide to spend your time in hi-sec someone can still give you grief and there is still an element of risk. Someone can war dec you because they feel like it, wonderful you can choose to either stay docked up, move fight back whatever you want.
By the way I am a carebare saying this 
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Ephektz
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec.
Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard.
What corp are you in, again?
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 23/01/2010 15:35:53
EvE is neither a PvP game nor a war game.
It's an economic simulation with spaceships.
What fanbois mistake for designed-in PvP is just a side effect of CCP not wanting to pay GM's to mediate between players.
HighSec warDec griefing is a side-effect of a failed attempt by CCP to make it possible for noSec wars to spread to highSec. They said they wanted the industrial Corps suppporting noSec wars to be drawn into the war.
EvE being EvE, the first thing that happened was a new class of griefing was invented. The second was that the usual gang of apologists for EvE's sewer-rat playstyle worked up some words to dress up the new ganking opportunity, to make it sound like combat PvP, and handed the words on to the unthinkng masses so use as a substitute for thinking.
OP is correct. HighSec warDeccing, as currently implemented, is a negative characteristic of EvE.
The existence of stupid semi-gameLegal tricks to avoid it just proves this. It's a mechanism that can never work on experienced players, which (as usual) leaves rookies as the only actual target.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
Originally by: Babel
Edited by: Babel on 23/01/2010 14:11:14
Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino
If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE
When you want to chill out and relax in a peaceful pastoral environment, do you similarly dress up in protective gear, take some fake guns and have a picnic in woodland used for Paintball?
I think that's a fair analogy ... The primary purpose of EVE is an arena for PvP, there's levels of 'security', but noone has a 100% Opt-Out option :)
EDIT: And yes, most likely this thread will spur a number of people to deliberately follow you with wardecs in an attempt to clarify for you exactly what EVE is ....
LOL...they have to FIND me first. As for being an "arena for PvP"...then why allow any PvE experiences at all. Just turn the whole game into a grand bloody arena?
Absolutely. I don't know of any other game where part of the challenge is to build up resources and/or finances while your opponents try to thwart you.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
EvE is neither a PvP game
Incorrect. It's entirely a PvP game. What the uninformed fail to see, however, is that PvP goes wa-a-ay beyond blowing stuff up – that's just the motor that keeps things moving.
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HisgSec warDec griefing
Does not exist.
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EvE being EvE, the first thing that happened was anew class of griefing was invented.
What was that?
Oh, and nice history revisionism, alt.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:48:00 -
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Tippia
Denial isn't the same as a counter argument.
I'd normally recommend against feigned stupidity too, but in your case I'm not sure there's any way to distinguish between the simulated version and the real thing.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
Denial isn't the same as a counter argument.
So why are you doing it? Why do you refuse to see the very apparent PvP nature that is inherent in every last thing in the game and drives everything that happens?
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Minchurra
Whining as intended.
Forcing a CTA at 0300 is a damn good way of finding out who your trustworthy members are.. kick everyone else.
ITT: People with jobs and kids should not be playing EVE. CCP c/d?
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 23/01/2010 16:05:00
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Elena Laskova
Denial isn't the same as a counter argument.
So why are you doing it? Why do you refuse to see the very apparent PvP nature that is inherent in every last thing in the game and drives everything that happens?
I wouldn't bother Tippia, instead lets ask him to produce the documentation to back up his theory that war decs were not also intended to allow high sec corps to apply pressure to each other.
I think we will have a long wait.
EVE is all about "You can keep what you are strong enough, or clever enough, to keep". That applies to territory, isk, material assets, location, and even corp members. To deny that is futile at best, trolling at worst.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:06:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Elena Laskova
Edited by: Elena Laskova on 23/01/2010 15:35:53
EvE is neither a PvP game nor a war game.
You can make that claim all you want. However, reality begs to differ.
1. Almost everything you can do in the game involves competition with other players to some extent or other, even if it doesn't directly involve blowing stuff (or stuff controlled by other players) up. It doesn't matter if it's 0.0 wars, piracy, trade, manufacturing, mining, or even things like mission running and ratting. You're still very much in competition with other players.
2. Almost everything you can do in the game is directly or indirectly related to wars and other instances of internet spaceships and the like being blown up. Let's say you're a miner. What do you think happens to the minerals mined? They become space ships and modules. Most of those will be combat ships/modules, and what little else can be made from them is only there to make the mining, manufacturing, trading process more efficient so you can make more combat ships and modules in the end. Without war, there is no economy in Eve.
Originally by: Akita T
this whole game is just me playing with myself
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:06:00 -
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If you define PvP as including reducing your market prices by 0.01 ISK several times a day, then EvE is a PvP game. if you're intrested in combat, not so much.
HighSec warDecs are a game disadvantage targeting rookies, and barely affecting exprienced players.
EvE is surely the only game where well-established players are happy about such things. I should start a new topic "How can we keep new players out of EvE?". I'm sure it would be immensely popular.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
If you define PvP as including reducing your market prices by 0.01 ISK several times a day, then EvE is a PvP game. if you're intrested in combat, not so much.
HighSec warDecs are a game disadvantage targeting rookies, and barely affecting exprienced players.
EvE is surely the only game where well-established players are happy about such things. I should start a new topic "How can we keep new players out of EvE?". I'm sure it would be immensely popular.
You make the mistake of assuming that most experienced players would try to avoid a war dec.
By the way, rookie corps can't be the recipient of a war dec. Once those rookies feel confident enough to leave the protection of those corps, they are no longer considered rookies.
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Biczkowski
Minmatar
Ghosts of War
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
ITT: People with jobs and kids should not be playing EVE. CCP c/d?
SO FKNG TRUE!
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.23 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Laskova
If you define PvP as including reducing your market prices by 0.01 ISK several times a day, then EvE is a PvP game. if you're intrested in combat, not so much.
If you define PvP as standing for Player vs. Player, then it is. And since that's what it means, it is.
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HighSec warDecs are a game disadvantage targeting rookies, and barely affecting exprienced players.
No. That's just combat – it has nothing to do with wardecs. It's no different than market games or missions or exploration or mining or [etc]. And do you know how rookies become experienced at any of those? By doing it. Do you know how to remain a rookie? By refusing to learn and instead insisting that the game fills in the gaps in your knowledge.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
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