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Wenisicia Corrino	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:40:00 - [1] When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard.
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:41:00 - [2] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. buhu and 1st
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:43:00 - [3] Understand the game! Thats an order. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 23/01/2010 11:47:26 Originally by: Lady Aja buhu and 1st ^^ Why do you even bother posting? anyway, to address the problem: Form 1 man corp on your alt... war-dec comes in... it takes 24 hours for a wardec to go live so you have two options if you don't wish to fight: A. Drop corp immediately and form a new corp with an alt (about one hour of training) B. wait 23 hours, drop corp, and form new one man corp. You also have a comedy option: Train up to use a proto cloak, go to a safespot, and cloak up while at work, the gym, school or while you sleep at night... (or) Roll some alts, make them CEO's of their own little OMC's(takes maybe seven minutes to train Corp 1 if you remap them for it), then jump corps like leapfrog until they get sick of throwing a wardec that you continually evade. Chances are it won't take long. They'll be on after better prey soon enough. Originally by: Marchocias Understand the game! Thats an order. On that note, EVE is geared more towards criminal activity. Carebears really are outgunned both ingame and in the CCP brainstorming sessions. ___________________________________________________ ...and the medium shader setting had to go because?
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. So you say this medium sized and long established corp don't know how to shoot back? Say no to 24000byte sig limit.
Buku Buku	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:49:00 - [6] Last time i looked eve was a pvp game.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:52:00 - [7] If your medium sized corp can not defend itself from some griefers, it has no right to exist, anyways. Look for a better corp. Having a corp or beeing in one is a privilege that has to be earned, not a right. HTFU Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino ...and lo 2 days after I join... What a coincidence. The CEO should consider to kick you, just in case.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:52:00 - [8] Why don't you grow some balls and kick their ass? Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr On that note, EVE is geared more towards criminal activity. Carebears really are outgunned both ingame and in the CCP brainstorming sessions. Only if they choose to disregard the nature of the game and stay fully focussed on isk making. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Swiftgaze Elysium Holdings Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Swiftgaze on 23/01/2010 12:04:31 Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. I'm on his side. Only mutual war decs should be allowed in high sec. I don't go to the cops either, give them 20 bucks and tell them that I want to beat the crap out of my neighbour everytime he leaves the house for the next week. Hisec wardecs are just a lack of authenticity. Edit-Edit: I misread something, Riva. I'm sorry. I get heated up over forums. XD
Omal Oma Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. The game's mechanics cater to criminal activity. From the Golden Rules written two and a half years ago and made official: Originally by: Akita T * Scamming and unethical behaviour some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics. ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.
Maria Kalista Amarr Splinter Foundation	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. Why don't you take this wardec and use this as an opportunity instead of seeing it as a negative thing? EVE is build around the concept of Players ~~grieving~~ fighting other Players. If you cannot stand this heat, you're in the wrong kitchen. And come on! A medium sized corp, if anything near decent, should be able to take care of its minions. If they cannot do that, like asking it's members who is gone fight? Ok those stay. Who is not gone fight? Ok, you 2 jump into this alt corp until the wardec is over then you come back, you might indeed be in the wrong corp. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in. We are recruiting!
Sumelar	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:45:00 - [13] First, hi sec is not safe. I'm sorry if you think it is, but it is not, never has been, and never will be. Second, it's not tolerated in real life, but it still goes on every day, everywhere. The same principle applies to eve.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Sumelar Second, it's not tolerated in real life, but it still goes on every day, everywhere. More importantly, Eve is not real life. Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? What issue? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
franny Mentis Seorsum	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:23:00 - [16] what issue???? shoot back, war decs are fun
Minchurra Caldari Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:26:00 - [17] Whining as intended. Forcing a CTA at 0300 is a damn good way of finding out who your trustworthy members are.. kick everyone else.
Wenisicia Corrino	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:36:00 - [18] Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone. Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible.
Ban Doga	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Minchurra Whining as intended. Forcing a CTA at 0300 is a damn good way of finding out who your trustworthy members are.. kick everyone else. I will stop having a life - I pwomise!! Just don't kick me out, kay?!
Gian Bal Minmatar Ministry of Mojo Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone. Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible. Did you ever just maybe wonder that what you of sound mind and body freely posted the above, is why people like me like to kill you so much? just saying...
Maria Kalista Amarr Splinter Foundation	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. Pardon me for trying to give some constructive criticism back, I'll put a sock in it next time. Since EVE IS DESIGNED as a COLD and HARS place to be in from nul sec to high sec and you do not seem to fit in, can I have your stuff? Pwease? Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in. We are recruiting!
Dani Leone Gallente A Dark Cloud	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. They already have addressed the issue; if you want to extort things or isk from somebody you can issue a wardec to help you do so. Seems fine like this to me tbh.
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:55:00 - [23] May I suggest moving this whine to Crime and Punishment? It'd be much more appropriate over there! Unless of course you wish to make a reasonable suggestion how this could perhaps be improved (such as introduction of meaningful treaties to be fought for, and being able to focus the theatre of war on specific systems/constellations/regions, or over specific resources for a scalable price), in which case it should be in Features and Ideas. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Denidil Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino Just the kind of mindless, knee-jerk drivel I expected from the fan-boys. If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. If I want to explore the environment and interact with others in a CONSTRUCTIVE way, I play EVE. You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone. Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible...where and whenever possible. Here's how you avoid wardecs: Contract all your belongings to me Quit the game otherwise SHOOT BACK!
Att Itude Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Swiftgaze ..............I don't go to the cops either, give them 20 bucks and tell them that I want to beat the crap out of my neighbour everytime he leaves the house for the next week............. Hell, dude! in Georgia, that's EXACTLY what we do! Sheriff loves it, too. Pads his wallet and keeps him from having to do any work.
Sovox Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino When is CCP going to address the issue of wardecs for no other purpose that extortion? If folks want to play that in lo/no sec...that's their choice. It should not be an option in hi sec. Just as the law does not tolerate extortionists in real life...They should not be tolerated by Concord in hi sec. Wardec's are why I avoided joining a corporation for so long...and lo 2 days after I join a medium sized, long established corp...a gang of gonadally deficient twits files a wardec. I know CCP wants to push players into corps...but this artificial and arbitrary fostering of unnecessary conflict seems counter productive in that regard. I hate you!
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 23/01/2010 13:59:44 Originally by: Wenisicia Corrino If I want to indulge in mindlessly violent gameplay...I play UT 3. But what you're describing isn't mindless, so what's the issue? Quote: You hard-core PvP'ers can play pew-pew with each other all you want in lo/no sec. Leave those of us who don't want to be bothered by your BS alone. PvP exists everywhere in EVE, if you haven't understood this, then maybe that's the issue: you don't understand the game you're playing. But this doesn't seem to be what you're complaining about, so again: what's the issue? Quote: Anyone can go looking for trouble in lo/no sec if that's what they want to do. I prefer not to do that, and EVE mechanics should give us the option to avoid the mindless predation of the mentally and emotionally deficient whose only aim is to wreak as much havoc as possible. First of all, why? Second of all, are you sure it's not you who are "mentally and emotionally deficient", seeing as how you don't even understand the game you're playing and confuse it with something else? Third of all, again: PvP is everywhere by design, so what does low/nullsec have to do with anything? Oh, and you already can. So again: what's the issue? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ohhh Matron	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:58:00 - [28] Edited by: Ohhh Matron on 23/01/2010 14:03:37 Just have a go. We had a three man corp once and got decced by a small corp who wanted to ransom our POS. In the 24 hour grace period I took down the labs and removed most of the fuel from the POS just leaving it with shield hardners, a couple of damps and some rail batteries. In the end we decided even though we had zero pvp experience to 'have a go'. So we fitted up a cheap T1 Megathron and a couple of drakes and went in to take on the guys taking down our POS. Over the course of that evening they lost three battleships and we lost none AND we got to take down our POS and tuck it away safe. We didnt smack and the other guys were actually very good about it, no hard feelings and all that. They even said that they only wanted 100million as a ransom. Was the best night of playing Eve we'd had. I didnt sleep much that night I had so much adrenaline pumping. Get a load of T1 cruisers and frigs fitted out with loot/junk (I take it your corp has a cheap ship hanger with loads of cheap loot modules) and get into some jump clones and have some no risk fun. It taught us a lot and it brought us closer as a corp. Sometimes a percived problem can be a blessing in disguise. Also teaches you that having all the mineral processing skills to level 5 is worth jack if you cant field 5 drones or a HAM launcher. Nothnig worse than being in a indy corp and getting into a tight spot and asking "ok who can fit a webber or scram?" silence.....
Pog Mahon Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:59:00 - [29] Seriously OP have a cup of concrete and harden the feck up. There are a myriad of ways of dealing with a wardec and whining is one way to ensure you get a lot more of them. You have done yourself no favours. BTW, as posted before, Eve is not real life, it's a game and wardecs are part of it. If you want to avoid them go back to WOW
Eeva Ere	Posted - 2010.01.23 14:02:00 - [30] wardecs are part of eve. when i started eve we did mining in high sec to get some isk (long time ago in a solar system far far away). Our first tasks of PVP was when someone wardeced us. our relaxing mining ops stopped and we set about sticking up for this corp we had formed. so we got sneaky, and created alts in noob corps with ship scanners and found out what they had on them. then we pew pewed in ships full of T1 stuff (no skills for it). we lost some and we won some. it made the corp of miners grow balls and we had respect from the wardecers. actually got friendly with them and created a channel we could all talk in. wardecs are good. if you want a lonely eve safe experience, then noob corps are for u. if you want some interaction with the eve player base, stick with the corp and work around the wardec. it makes eve much more rewarding. bye

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