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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 31/01/2010 03:45:23
People of Providence - from -A- with love.
Consider the following an open statement to the people of Providence, their affiliates and their supporters alike. This statement is provided to you in two versions, a longwinding but detailed and self explanatory wall of text, and a TL;DR right at the bottom.
Since longer then most of us can remember, the alliance of -A- and the various alliances and organisations living in Providence have enjoyed a relationship which entailed both risk, fun, and challenges for all involved. While different sides base themselves on different principles of engagement and vision, all sides have over the years stared at each other over the barrels of our weapons face to face.
Regardless of shooting each other (or maybe because of, but without excess), we have over the years come to a pretty open relationship based on more then just exposure to each other as neighbours who enjoy the challenges of this New Eden. We have come to a relationship with an open visor that served more purposes then all sides sometimes like to admit. Even on the level of us common pilots and soldiers, we have grown a relationship of respect and appreciation.
Engaging each other in either fun or challenge, has been the nature of events, and is one of the principle elements of the relationship we have. Or had, I should perhaps say.
Not too long ago, when the alliance of CVA found itself disbanded, -A- stepped up and got in touch right then and there with your leaders, regardless of being neutral in our relationships we pledged to stand by and defend the people of Providence should the unfortunate situation of CVA disbanding give rise to a threat or assault on Providence and its people. We formed, and stood ready, but a single word was needed. No, not even a single word.
It is as such, remarkable to see how a unique relationship where either side knew perfectly what they were at with the other side was disrupted by a long term vision designed by CVA leadership which culminated in the now infamous project to expand into Catch, into -A- space, and onwards from there.
Born from a sentiment of frustration with the day to day mechanisms of our New Eden, taxation by Institutions found in the Empires and hard to accept out here in lawless space by many, as well as a sense of unease with the paths available to us out here in lawless space, that project did not just have an ill conceived focus and target, it was also based on unfounded assumptions from both economical and strategic perspectives. After all, we have the mechanisms that enable us pilots to not just make a living, but to make a great living, through a little effort and a little teamwork. As organisations, this applies to us even more, since even a single system with a single station can provide for an ever growing number of pilots and the organisations they are a part of. It is not an easy adaptation, it affects many of us, but perhaps it is not wrong to say that of all pilots it affects the richest of us the most. Perhaps herein lie the causes of the current escalation.
Not too long ago, there was a first escalation which occured in the F9E system, where a clear and established boundary was stepped over. The response was swift, but limited, as communicated to the CVA leadership at the time. As mentioned before, with an open visor and knowing what you are at with the other side you can get face to face and sort things out. Even so, because a boundary was stepped over, we made sure to make it clear once more what the boundaries were, and what reaction it would provoke should those get crossed. As some of you may remember, most of us common pilots or soldiers saw the now infamous comic made by Ivan Wise floating around. While entertaining, it was the exact gist of the message.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 03:44:00 -
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Continued
But then we became aware of events and happenings bearing great similarities to long term scenarios once discussed in theorycrafting among CVA leadership. Events of such similarity that it gave us enough concern to start observing more closely, and even to start digging, especially because we in -A- were going through a time of adaptation (in more ways then just dealing with the institutional claws of Empire institutions).
We wrote these events off as not very likely, because of previous communications, but also on the basis of how we ourselves had been able to adapt as pilots to changing circumstances. It turns out we were wrong. Not only did it become clear through the actions of LFA that the intent to expand into Catch was a clear and present intent, but it also became clear through the actions of CVA leadership to let LFA cross boundaries with full intent, that there was more to this at play. This became clear once we checked in once again, but found that in the mean time we were not just seeing LFA, but combined fleets crossing not just boundaries but going directly for systems -A- deems of strategic value as buffers for its infrastructure and sphere of influence.
During that time, -A- was engaged in a short campaign elsewhere, so the crossing of boundaries by LFA, combined with this being reinforced by combined fleets from Providence, and under the clear sanction from CVA, it basically made us look around and raise an eyebrow. How was it possible that in spite of open visors, clear boundaries, and a previous incident with clear response this could happen. Even if CVA would be unable or unwilling to adapt to the changes of New Eden, these actions and plans we were seeing from CVA leadership made little sense at all. After all, as some leadership perhaps remembers, when Agression and Veritas left Immensea, talks were opened with CVA leadership on transferring the region of Immensea to CVA for the people of Providence to expand into. These talks even entailed setting connections as required. As it stands, the offer was refused, and these talks ended.
Be all this as it may, we are facing a conflict of annihilation, a conflict for which the reasons are rooted in confusion and such a variety of circumstances that it boggles the mind how this could start in the first place. We have no hate for the people of Providence, we bear no malcontempt for its Holders, on the contrary. But some unwritten rules apply to all space holding alliances equally, similar to the laws of physics, to every action a reaction must and will follow. It is not our desire to turn this into a conflict of excess, but the actions of your leaders determine our reactions.
In the past few days following but also during the conquest of D-G, there have been a lot of talks. Between leaders, between FC's, between pilots. All of these talks come down to the simple statement that we harbour no hate, we react as can be expected, our reaction is directly correspondant to the nature and size of the threat aligned to our interests, and that we have no wish to burn or remove the people of Providence. New Eden is innately ingrained with violence, but it must not by default be a violence which knows no boundaries.
Unfortunately, while as pilots we still seem perfectly capable to fly around with open visor, this appears not to be the case on a leadership level in CVA. Sofar all efforts here have fallen silent, and what we see in preparation and in planning among CVA is only going to fuel the conflict to a nuclear fire which will consume the region.
TL;DR
People of Providence, give your leaders a reality check. Their efforts supporting their current vision are not just incorrect, but counterproductive and born out of a stubborn resistance to adaptation. Make this clear to them please, or you will all die for them.
Have a pleasant day.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 03:51:00 -
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TL;DR
People of Providence, give your leaders a reality check. Their efforts supporting their current vision are not just incorrect, but counterproductive and born out of a stubborn resistance to adaptation. Make this clear to them please, or you will all die for them.
Have a pleasant day.
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Xious
Caldari
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 03:55:00 -
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We have shown you what we will do when we pay attention to you, we do not feel that Providence has to burn, but you are, more and more, forcing our actions.
See sense, Providence, before you burn.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.31 03:59:00 -
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Lovely opening image.
As for the statement itself, isn't a bit ironic considering the now so famous motto
"God forgives but -A- does not" ?
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 04:03:00 -
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How..human to let your pride be your downfall. Providence needs to realize who really controls their destiny, hint, it is not CVA. Reject them and survive. Abandon the sinking ship of their rule.
I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature. |
Takashi Moto
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Posted - 2010.01.31 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Takashi Moto on 31/01/2010 04:06:10
It seems more like mercy than forgiveness.
If I were CVA I would certainly pay tribute to -A- for there mercy, and rid my space of that s c u m called LFA. |
Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 31/01/2010 04:16:53
As made clear in the statement, we have no hate for the people of Providence. We have always known what we're at with each other, and we have always had fun and challenges alike.
That being said, something was broken, and that can be fixed, or it will be torn apart. Seeing where these things originate, we find it a shame to see matters spiral out of control. Dealing with matters out of control is something we consider a challenge, but not without making completely clear the what & why of the conflict.
As the message states, this is to the people of Providence, the men and women who die on the field without knowing what is going, without being aware of circumstances, without even being told what is at stake and why it really is at stake.
We live in New Eden, violence is a daily part of it, but it does not have to cost good people their lives and livelyhood.
As such, please read, discuss it amongst yourselves. Ask questions and speak with your leaders. We of -A- are holding back, for obvious reasons, for now (as communicated), but in this universe action is always followed by reaction.
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Eljar Kjeldsson
Caldari
Smegnet Incorporated
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.31 05:02:00 -
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I loled
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Straight Hustlin
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 05:41:00 -
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Some say the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting different outcomes.
In the time I have flown with -A- I have seen this many times; from Cobalt star, the various incursions of F9E, to our normal skirmishes and even our arranged 'events', the results have always been the same.
The naive among you think you have seen us at war, that you have tested us in combat, that you have seen all that the might of -A- has to offer. You have thought wrong, you have seen -A- at play, you have seen -A- annoyed. You have never seen -A- angered or with the blood lust zeal reserved for our true foes, You have never seen -A- set out with the intent of destroying your way of life.
You have never seen -A- try to erase you.
There for I reach out to every free thinking capsuleer of Providence, Think about the consequences of your leaders actions. Such a cost for what? What do you the serf have to gain from claiming another system? How much return will you see from another system to do the same thing your doing in what you already have? None I think. But your lords have everything to gain, filling their wallets through the fruits of your labor. Really ask your self what do you have to gain in the conquest of F9E? Now ask your self what the lords have to gain with you and twenty others in F9E every day. I would imagine they do not compare in the slightest.
How many among you own drake bpo's, Battleships? Dread & Carrier bpo's? I'd wager not many, but your Lords? Well now that's a different story. They stand not only to profit from the conquest, but the misguided attempt as well! That is where your leaders true source of wealth lies, Selling the most powerful weapons imaginable to the highest bidder, Many of which are even arrayed against you now, in almost divine irony.
I have always thought of Providence as our little prized banzai tree. And like any tree pruning is required. Some times you trim a little, some times alot; however a point may come when you just may need a new tree. I would be greatly saddened to lose my banzai tree.
So I ask you again, brave pilots of Providence, what do you stand to gain from your reckless expansion except incurring the wrath of -A-. What end do you seek if not the end of my rail guns. You deserve more then this, You deserve more then to die for your leaders imperialistic dreams, You deserve more then to be a pawn in their scheme, You deserve more then to be treated as if you were common slaves. You deserve more then to be a victim of the holder's greed. Now demand it from your leaders
Remember
The Good -A- Giveth
and the Good -A- taketh away
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 05:58:00 -
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this is true, tonight a Tribal and Star Fraction fleet once again invaded Providence and who died? people who were suppose to be "under protection".
where is the mighty force of the Proviblob? Facing UK and AAA?
what then is left to you when those of us who attack from the other side charge in?
The Imperials are not capable of protecting your interests, consider well where you stand. Our own efforts have only just started and already we can travel almost unchallenged in near-providence.
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Colonel Vatutin
Caldari
Tread Combat Industries
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 06:08:00 -
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-The following is strictly a third-party analysis of the situation and does not reflect the official view of cva or other provibloc leadership in any manner shape or form-
First point of view: Very diplomatic and sound gesture from -A- leadership. You have agreed and made preparations to reconcile the differences, mostly outlining the cause and effect of the current conflict with accurate and objective statements. Assuming that this gesture is sincere,
Second point of view: A final nail in the coffin for CVA and Provi pride that has taken quite a beating from events these past few weeks. Already labeled a 'carebear alliance' by rest of eve, CVA and Provibloc cannot hope to regain their respect and place in eve politics should they capitulate to -A-'s gesture of mercy; that would be seen as the ultimate insult and spiritual death of an alliance.
-A- is giving provibloc two options: continue the war and (-A- thinks with valid evidence given last week's event) face annihilation, or bow down and lick -a- boots. What -A-'s sincere leaders may not realize is, even if -A- is willing to give cva and provibloc a clean slate and once again offer the respect of a fellow alliance, cva agreeing to this demand will never have that same respect from rest of New Eden; their image will be permanently tainted as 'that carebear alliance who got licked and now grovels at -A- mercy'. This is true even if -A-'s intention is not so. I am certain this may be part of the reason why -A- bloc has not received a positive message from cva leadership yet.
This puts the CVA leadership at a very awkward position with relatively few options, surrender and official apology being equivalent to death sentence for respect and position of the alliance as an entity. What is worse, part of Provibloc started this war (although harboring of UK in -A- space may give weight to some argument that -a- has already began this war long ago by aiding provibloc's enemies) at least in the majority of public eye, and the capitulate now means utter humiliation.
Lastly, CVA did state that their goal was to reclaim the providence and nullsec for the Amarr Empire....
I express my opinion that CVA and Co. could that done a better job of setting up war rationale in RP perspective, instead of randomly and seemingly out of nowhere giving LFA the greenlight to invade catch. If the provibloc, united as one, openly stated the 'Expansion of Operation Deliverance' and intention to follow through with the RP nature of CVA, that would have been far more understandable to general public. As it stands now the general perception views LFA and cva act as a cowardly act that stabbed -a- in the back when they were busy with goons and IT (which I disagree on grounds that -A- harbored UK and therefore indirectly provoked the war in the first place).
I am sure -A- leadership knows what difficult position this message puts provibloc into, and in essence they seem to be pushing to portray themselves as the victims and good guys in this conflict that in no minor part was due to UK striking out with impunity behind -a- curtain. In some ways, this proclaimation seems not a positive one at all, but a final move on part of the -A- to publically cement their position as 'forces of good' and leaving cva with no other option than going out in blazes or glory, continued animosity, or humiliating surrender, last being not an option.
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Public's take on IT(BOB) vs. Goon drama:
Kishmull > was like watching two gays fight over who gets to wear the dress
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Icarus3
Gallente
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 06:16:00 -
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bah! just burn it all!
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 06:22:00 -
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Rise Providence, rise!
Renounce slavery and overthrow CVA, or burn with them.
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Colonel Vatutin
Caldari
Tread Combat Industries
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 06:29:00 -
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-Conintued-
Allow me to say one thing as a participant in this conflict: If this is an indeed a sincere gesture by -A- to resolve our differences, and being a new chapter in provi-AAA relationship, they must also admit that some fault lies with them for allowing UK to attack provi then vanish behind your curtain of protection. Not only will this allow provibloc to show justified in regards to them not being complete aggressors, it will resolve a long standing frustration on part of provi pilot unable to catch the UK as they flit in and out of -a- space. Future efforts will need to include negotiation in matter of UK presence in -a- space.
Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK and giving them opportunity to strike at Provi with impunity, and its role in starting this war, if there must be any reconciliation. Certainly, CVA and Co. have some explaining to do and apologies to make for seemingly out-of-the-blue invading catch without openly declaring war first as I have mentioned before; they may have been much less condemned if they did so before current goonswarm affair started and therefore not appear as taking sneaky chances by stabbing enemies in the back. -A- is right in that regard.
Frankly, for this conflict to be resolved without major loss of face for both sides, CVA will have to take out a few titans and avenge their losses in d-g before being able to negotiate on equal terms as a respected alliance. Any alternative course of action would severely damage if not erase provibloc's pride and place irreparable damage to its patriotism to Amarr Imperium.
-A-, I hope this message reaches you and you will suggest a more balanced words of reconciliation. Your current wordings, while sincere and positive, misses the core issues such as -a-'s fault for harboring UK and such. For there to be amendment, BOTH sides must acknowledge their faults, not just one. Portrayal as superior beneficiary offering mercy is the ultimate insult and show of contempt to the Provibloc, no matter how sincere you may be. This is simply the reality of REALPOLITIK at work.
CVA, let's either go out in blazes of glory, or better yet, retake d-g and some region in catch while maybe mounting in strike into UK space to show that they are not safe behind -a- protection and that they are the real targets of this war. I'd rather let providence burn to the ground rather than accepting surrender. We are IMPERIUM. If we are to be remembered for our arrogance, let's at least be remembered for standing by our pride unto death and NEVER giving up!
Amarr Victor
Amarr Eternum
-Views expressed in this article is not in any way shape or form the official viewpoint of CVA or Provi leadership, and only reflects thoughts of a third party individual analysis-
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Public's take on IT(BOB) vs. Goon drama:
Kishmull > was like watching two gays fight over who gets to wear the dress
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squishinator
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Eljar Kjeldsson
I loled
I wouldn't if I were U
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Daughter
Aggressive Commerce Solutions Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK...
...for this conflict to be resolved without major loss of face for both sides, CVA will have to take out a few titans and avenge their losses in d-g before being able to negotiate...
So your saying, that a offer for ceasing active campaigning against CVA isnt enough. That in fact, AAA should not only apologize for making friends that CVA may not approve of, but also put some titans out there for providence to shoot and kill?
I hope your freighter is being packed, just dont mention it moving in your intel channels for your sake.
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Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Preta Light Industries
Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 31/01/2010 07:31:37
Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK and giving them opportunity to strike at Provi with impunity, and its role in starting this war, if there must be any reconciliation.
I believe with -A- holding every last card in their hand, as well as quite possibly the balls of half the capsuleers in Providence right now, they don't need to give in to anything. The position of power gives them the direct control over how this plays out. CVA is between a rock and a hard place, and should be greatful -A- is letting them choose.
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All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance. |
Mystic Rebel
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mystic Rebel on 31/01/2010 07:52:39
Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
-A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK.
-A- is not infected by any kind of racial prejudices. We ingore that factor while choosing organizations to cooperate with.
Also personally I don't get the idea of calling people who fight against you "terrorists" while being slavers yourselves 
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Nano Plating
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:04:00 -
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anonimity test
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Black Donalds
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:22:00 -
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i am a member of lfa and the original intent was to take f9e because it was released by -a- whoever thought of taking 4 zones should be beaten with a stick.
everyone thought this was an awesome idea because it would ease access to f9e for small time pvp ( Fun stuff everyone loves )
It was discussed for a while and agreed on finally and everyone thought it was a fun idea , someone /cough waited till -a- was busy and summoned a massive provi lag blob and launched a 4 zone operation and high fived eachother when we won by blobbing.
Every single person at that raid knew what would happen , and it did
Now 2 weeks later , everyone is pvp'd out and cant even summon small gangs to defend against the straggling reds to pvp and we are whooped , and no one wants to hear about pvp after "The massacre of DG" Would you believe some corps are already preparing stuff to be jumped out as precautions ? haha : )
i just recieved a mail from lasterax DEMANDING no one post anything here without his approval , i clicked this link as fast as i could. Boy was i expecting a smack talking garbage fest from the -A evil pirates , was i shocked to see a very well thought out , very well written message. The truth is all i know about A- is that they are better at pvp then us and that they are supposedly evil pirates ( apparently that was bull@# too and spoonfed to us to fool us into believeing CVA and friends are the good guys.
Will post again below getting laggy
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Mdih Lihu
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:24:00 -
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Didn't CVA demand -A- kick us out of Catch? Even 'terrorists' need a place to keep their stuff.
*docks in D-G*
Be careful what you wish for.
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Black Donalds
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:27:00 -
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my message? Our leadership and FCs are completely stupid and we didnt want this
ps i joined the wrong alliance
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NightHawk VenGarden
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:32:00 -
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"We're evil men in the gardens of paradise." - Col. Saul Tigh. |
Musgrat
Discordant Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:38:00 -
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You guys don't even have to tell AAA that you'll bow down to them, just say you'll stop attacking AAA's space. They've leave you alone. |
Warn1nG Soul
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:42:00 -
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Smalum
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
Second point of view: A final nail in the coffin for CVA and Provi pride that has taken quite a beating from events these past few weeks. Already labeled a 'carebear alliance' by rest of eve, CVA and Provibloc cannot hope to regain their respect and place in eve politics should they capitulate to -A-'s gesture of mercy; that would be seen as the ultimate insult and spiritual death of an alliance.
In a world ruled by conflict there's only pride in survival.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
The Confederate Navy
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2010.01.31 09:35:00 -
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*Speaking unofficially right now*
Your terms are pretty unfair. Either way CVA loses and you know it. You are basically stating that Providence will burn for "our foolishness". Whether its by your hand directly or your hand indirectly.
A pity.
But then again, alls fair in love and war.
--Isaac
AMAAR VICTOR!
"You just can't fix stupid"
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NightHawk VenGarden
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 31/01/2010 09:38:28
*Speaking unofficially right now*
Your terms are pretty unfair. Either way CVA loses and you know it. You are basically stating that Providence will burn for "our foolishness". Whether its by your hand directly or your hand indirectly.
But then again, alls fair in love and war.
You played your hand.
We played ours and showed you it was better.
Now we're offering to reset the chips and let you walk away with what you started with. Alternatively you can continue the hand and lose bigtime.
Yep, it's not fair. To us.
Also, quoting your siggy for irony "You just can't fix stupid"
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
EVE-UNION
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Posted - 2010.01.31 10:50:00 -
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'nuff said!
Burn Amarr, burn, burn, burn!
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FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Black Donalds
my message? Our leadership and FCs are completely stupid and we didnt want this
ps i joined the wrong alliance
Are you surprised to learn that hierarchies are constructed solely for the benefit of the Heirarch? Are you surprised to learn that a shepherd only cares for his sheep so that he may one day slaughter them? Are you surprised to learn that your leaders, who openly admit that their civilization is founded on slave labor, think of you as their slaves?
Providence is not built only on the broken backs of the Minmatar, but also on the broken backs of its pet alliances and, indeed, its own rank-and-file pilots. Straight Hustlin spoke truth; thousands of lives will be lost to -A-, Ushra'Khan, and the Star Fraction while your leaders line their pockets selling you replacement ships.
You will not be the first former slave, nor the first former slaver, to stand fierce-eyed on the threshold of freedom, realizing that the work of God is to make mountains low and to lift valleys up - to cast the mighty from their thrones and place the lowly in their stead.
Now is your chance to break the cycle of exploitation. Now is your chance to seize deliverance for yourselves. Rise up, for your light has come.
Dare to dream.
Come dream with us.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:38:00 -
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Much like UK claim, it is better to live free and die with honor than to become slaves to an Empire.
While I make no mistake in believing some enjoy the "status quo" of the previous eras in providence, making a deal with liars, cheats, and thieves only results in losing your soul to the devil. Its quite clever to see how you try to divide us with your sickly sweet offer of throwing a dog a bone.
To live free and fight for what is right, what is truly God's Will? Do no the citizens suffer?
"For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only God."
## The Scriptures. Kuria 4:23.
Is it god testing the faith of its followers? Should they side with the devil, caste out their faith and beliefs for some meager trinket? Do good men suffer at the hand of the devil everyday? Would you think that god would give to us, easy and soft goals, where every man can reach, with ease?
That there would be no sacrifice, no loss, is trivial in its belief. That men, pressed into service under god would fail at times, only shows that god is indeed efforting to better his children. To better men thru trials of fire. To show men that indeed, you must struggle, and thus from that struggle reach out, even from the ashes to be reborn again.
"War is not the dreadful end to all things that mankind fears. Conflict brings balance to nature as it adapts, mutates and transforms into something stronger than before. Mankind is the master of nature because we can choose those mutations on our own accord. We can accelerate the inevitable dominance of species. Trhough war, we can make ourselves stronger at the time and the place of our choosing. War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
-Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum, excerpt from a commencement speech to Paladin graduates of the Imperial Academy, 23215 AD.
I leave here keeping the faith, and my head held high in that I know we have tried to show god what effort, what sacrifice, and what powers we are willing to fight against: live or die.
We always have known that we could lose. Clearly, We started long ago with barely a hint or spec of space, and have done a lot of good to grow, to remove the evil terrorist s****the devil now cuddles next to, seemingly has always cuddled next too, as if it knew its best and only chance was along such a path of sin. Indeed the devil has corrupted those once proud terrorists into lying, cheating, and stealing as well. Its quite clear that those who fight along the devil are only as useful as is the current flavor of the month. I do hope they never forget the devil comes calling often enough.
I come to the end of this, only to realize, that we can only do so much. because if god wills us to be tested we will be. simply deciding not to take the test would indeed itself be rather trivial. Your still going to get graded either way.
The devil comes to call, and I say : You are the enemy of righteousness and of those who seek to do the will of God. I for one will not join your church, I will not abandon my faith for yours.
I present to you a testiment to such here and now:
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Serious Rikk
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:38:00 -
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I am but a lowly capsuleer, but I was on the front line in the final battle for D-G alongside many of my comrades. This is the opinion of someone in the low ranks, but these are the ranks that will line up agains our enemies. You should really take note.
In D-G -A- came into the field as a well oiled machine - despite the difficult conditions our fleet commanders kept the battle going on more than one front and the field was held. This was of course a serious fight, but my comrades and I had fun. Remember ladies and gentlemen this is what -A- DO for fun, and where there is a promise of more then you can guarantee we will turn up with fresh ammunition ready for the order.
It has to be said, everyone in my alliance felt miffed by the CVA holder alliance, LFA, taking the systems up to SV5. Quite frankly it was rather rude and to expect no response other than -A- taking those systems back was really quite naive.
We've had our fun, there are other enemies to shoot, and we can still see this ending here. But make no mistake, if you make -A- pilots a bit cross by continuing this madness then we will come back. We will join the fleets, we will come after you, and we will enjoy ourselves while doing so.
You think -A- are evil pirates? We're not (Mostly). We are an alliance of warriors and we have leadership we are proud of, leadership we trust.
Don't make our leadership give that order.
Well, you can if you want, just be prepared to see us on the field. Be prepared to die by our guns missiles. We do not forgive.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:43:00 -
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God came to me in a vision, dream, whatever you want to call it. He said that he was understandably upset with us CVA, and You Holders! He spoke with vigor and sorrow in his tone, he was ashamed that his chosen (CVA) had chosen (Holders) to occupy space granted to them and us by Him (God) and then forgo his word!
He spoke with authority, and said that we CVA and Holders would be tested by fire to see if we were worthy of the space he had most graciously granted us. God said that we had gotten fat, he said that we had taken Providence for granted, and mined like slaves, ratted like bounty hunters, and settled down like farmers to tend the land without purpose or effect.
God said to me that I am a Caldari with Amarrian Fire in his heart and that I would lead a Citadelian Fleet in a glorious battle against all odds, outgunned, outnumbered, at a place and time of his choosing, if I applied myself and taught the militia forces the reason for our expansion and reclaiming and spoke to them about his word and teaching and fought each battle in his name that he would shield us in battle and we would overcome the odds and be victorious, if we were to fight in his name and for his word and teaching.
God said unto me that he will strike affliction upon the CVA, Holders, and Citadel Militias until we have paid the penalty for stopping his mission of reclamation and spreading his word. He quoted me his word. "Thou must make war upon thy enemies to reclaim what is justly thine." I asked God as I gazed into his face while weeping at his feet, "Have you forsaken us?" He replied to me in a just tone, It is not I who have forsaken you, but you who have forsaken the mission on which I have sent you and your brethren. Thy folly is great, the way back to the path will be long. I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given, and do not deviate from my mission ever again
God spoke to me and said we have become complacent, lazy, and routine, he told me that we would find favor if we would return to the path and go forth in his name, he said that when we all click, we are all fighting together with cohesion, and in Gods name, and for Gods commandment, and are all on the same page with Gods wishes, something beautiful will happen, he showed me a vision of our Fleet setting ablaze 4 enemy Titan class vessels, along with 7 Mother Ship Class Super Carriers, with a path of destruction that would reach from the heavens to the planets 3 score KM long. He spoke of broken Dreadnought Class Hulls and the shield of light he would provide if our faith was true, mission just in his name, and reason was for the glory of God and not for the glory of ourselves.
He spoke with me a simple Caldari soldier with Amarrian fire in his heart, and spoke with authority over me as he had authority over all, he sid I must go forth and spread this word to all of CVA, to each Corporation, each member, every Holder Alliance and to their members and CEO's, he siad I was to go forth and spread his command and make it be done.
He made me swear to him on penalty of my life and soul that I would go forth and train the forces loyal to Amarr, CVA, and Providence and last but not least God himself and build him a might armada and go forth in his name and do what we have failed to do for so many years after the reclaiming of 9UY.
God said he would speak to Aralis in 7 days and he would tell Aralis of his plan, Aralis would then set forth and make his plan executable, and we were to follow the word of God and conquer in his name and not the name of our own. God demanded we not speak to the heretics in local or be damned, we may only preach Gods Word verbatim.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:58:00 -
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So God placed this message solely as my responsibility so I implore each and every one of you to please heed Gods word and be ready to go forth in his name and reclaim all that is justly ours. I implore you to please go back to your respective Alliances, Corporations, and Militias, and say what you have read here today. We have a long bloody road ahead of us to fall back in favor of God, but when we are finished, God spoke with me and he said That when we all click, we are all fighting together with cohesion, and in Gods name, and for Gods Commandment, and are all on the same page with Gods wishes, something beautiful will happen. I want to witness this beauty of God, I implore each of you to please in Gods name go back to your organizations and speak what I have spoken here today.
'The Will of God: Amarr Invincible'
This was not from this caldari, but from another, one chosen to the calling, one whose efforts rise above and beyond the call of duty at any given time.
The beliefs CVA have are strong and true. The Faithful soldiers of god are often times tested. The friends and family we have built in providence. The many who lived here and have moved on to different and maybe bigger things. Those who have come to try to destroy. Those that come to try to build. They all know that we hold these truths to be self evident. They all know that we fight for what we believe in until the day in which everyone can peacefully co-exist in all of eve.
So I make not the final decision here I say I will not surrender my beliefs.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:13:00 -
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It's 0555 hours and I'm on the tail end of a 10 hour shift so please forgive me if I'm not as articulate as Manfred and the other -A- posters.
As far back as the D-G slaughter, even while being completely heated from LFA's decision to invade, -A- have been courteous, even HELPFUL towards Providence pilots, giving advice on how to avoid certain mistakes in future Capital warfare and general piloting expertise.
I don't know what's going on between sides on a diplomatic point so I have no idea what our higher ups are thinking, so I don't know how sincere the -A- statements made in this thread are but based on the fact that no one in CVA/LFA have chimed in to refute them I'd say their giving it to us straight as far as they're concerned.
Anyways, here's my perspective on the current situation:
It's not a lose/lose situation for us, thought some are presenting it as that to make the other option look better (e.g. bringing a dirt bike to a tank fight.) Someone mentioned that we either get steamrolled or become lapdogs... Well, one option defininitely has the aura of ground zero and lots of fallout but the other option is simply say:
'Oops! Something sounded like a really good idea at the time. We obviously bit off more than we can do. It was pretty low to time it as we did, considering the relationship that we've had and the epic good will you guys extended towards us a few months back.'
We aren't rolling over and saying we'll be -A-'s soap dropping homies... Just admitting to a mistake. Everyone in this game knows that Providence is the 'carebear' central of 0.0 Does anyone really think that we've got the pilots to face the skillpoints and fleet compositions of -A-/SK/U'K (I don't honestly know how SK/U'K presented themselves in D-G) at this time? It's obvious that we don't... And even if we did, the experience to bring it to the battlefield is absent (this is not a burn on the fleet commanders of Provi because I'm not going to monday morning quarterback decisions made in the heat of the moment, but I can't see us making some of those mistakes from the other day again now that we've seen the results).
Everyone knew what would happen before it happened, everyone knows what will happen in the future if arrangements aren't made. Doesn't sound like -A- is asking for any major reperations but again, I'm not privy to those discussions.
TL:DR- Our eyes were bigger than our stomachs, bit off too much, indigestion is the suck. We need Tums ASAP or this gets bad real quick.
On a completely unrelated note however, it's ironic that if we stand AGAINST ... AUTHORITY we burn ;)
Oh, and I must've missed a memo about not posting on here... At work so can't log into EVE ;)
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darth raida
Amarr
Failswarm
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:22:00 -
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To the members, these meaningless ramblings about religion or Aralis' claims of having new tactics will not save you, the latter which I would hope he did after the absolutely calamitous fleet operations he's led recently. Him and his collection of so called leaders will only lead you down a path of disaster.
To the leaders, mass reimbursing caps will only result in more embarrassment, the bottom line is you as FC's and command figures are simply not good enough, saving face and your assets is your only logical choice.
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Sorus Chatelain
Amarr
Sacred Ring of Sarum
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:45:00 -
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This post stinks stinks of weakness not strength. No alliance confident of its powers and ability makes such a "gesture" as this weeks after beginning a campaign without being terrified in their hearts of the danger of fighting ahead of them. The truth is that AAA cannot defeat Providence because they lack the endurance and long term willpower to achieve this thing. The pure number of outpost attacks and system sieges ahead make the people of AAA tremble in horror and it is well known by our spies and agents that only 1-2 corporations in AAA are providing any actual leadership at the moment and driving this inevitably-failed aggressive against the righteous Amarr Empire crusaders in the CVA family.
Truth is AAA should apologize and surrender to CVA because they will never advance far into Providence, they will never hold the outposts there for long, they will not be able to sustain the enthusiasm or energy to fight the huge hours needed to achieve long term conquest and they will soon again return to their surrender-monkey ways they showed against the Goons in recent fighting.
Yes though this is a landmark moment for the CVA too. Now is the time for the residents of Providence to face up to their debt to CVA leaders and put down their mining lasers and ratting ships and take up arms for war. All should join CVA fleets and CVA friend alliances and prepare to fight for the safety and profits and neighborhood we love. We are the best region in new eden and all could be lost unless everyone fights. Not with cheap battlecruisers and rubbish fit throwaway ships but with everything each pilot has. Everyone should fight or they should leave. I think it was disgusting that while our fleet died in DG so many were asking for help ratting or talking of mining in our channels. I will not post from my main because I am harsher than most in our alliance and I think leechers should be removed from our space if they do not fight and its not a popular view so I hold my lasers (for now).
We have to put 700-800 people in EVERY system AAA want to take and they will die in the cleansing fire of dead lag and failed ships we did. We need conscription in Providence or we deserve to die ourselves.
TLDR
AAA is too weak to take Providence.
If we are strong AAA will capitulate.
Providence must force every ratter to fight.
If we put 800 in every target system we cannot lose.
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.
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Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Xan Dolran on 31/01/2010 12:49:51
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
This post stinks stinks of weakness not strength. No alliance confident of its powers and ability makes such a "gesture" as this weeks after beginning a campaign without being terrified in their hearts of the danger of fighting ahead of them. The truth is that AAA cannot defeat Providence because they lack the endurance and long term willpower to achieve this thing. The pure number of outpost attacks and system sieges ahead make the people of AAA tremble in horror and it is well known by our spies and agents that only 1-2 corporations in AAA are providing any actual leadership at the moment and driving this inevitably-failed aggressive against the righteous Amarr Empire crusaders in the CVA family.
Truth is AAA should apologize and surrender to CVA because they will never advance far into Providence, they will never hold the outposts there for long, they will not be able to sustain the enthusiasm or energy to fight the huge hours needed to achieve long term conquest and they will soon again return to their surrender-monkey ways they showed against the Goons in recent fighting.
Yes though this is a landmark moment for the CVA too. Now is the time for the residents of Providence to face up to their debt to CVA leaders and put down their mining lasers and ratting ships and take up arms for war. All should join CVA fleets and CVA friend alliances and prepare to fight for the safety and profits and neighborhood we love. We are the best region in new eden and all could be lost unless everyone fights. Not with cheap battlecruisers and rubbish fit throwaway ships but with everything each pilot has. Everyone should fight or they should leave. I think it was disgusting that while our fleet died in DG so many were asking for help ratting or talking of mining in our channels. I will not post from my main because I am harsher than most in our alliance and I think leechers should be removed from our space if they do not fight and its not a popular view so I hold my lasers (for now).
We have to put 700-800 people in EVERY system AAA want to take and they will die in the cleansing fire of dead lag and failed ships we did. We need conscription in Providence or we deserve to die ourselves.
TLDR
AAA is too weak to take Providence.
If we are strong AAA will capitulate.
Providence must force every ratter to fight.
If we put 800 in every target system we cannot lose.
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.
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Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xan Dolran
As far back as the D-G slaughter, even while being completely heated from LFA's decision to invade, -A- have been courteous, even HELPFUL towards Providence pilots
Why not, most of us know each other from having fun with each other for years. It's not like we've got hate. On the contrary.
Originally by: Xan Dolran
I don't know what's going on between sides on a diplomatic point so I have no idea what our higher ups are thinking, so I don't know how sincere the -A- statements made in this thread are but based on the fact that no one in CVA/LFA have chimed in to refute them I'd say their giving it to us straight as far as they're concerned.
The statement posted by Manfred should give some good insight into how deep this really goes. Our position is surprisingly simple, we're simple pilots really. We care about each other, our interests, we prefer to keep stuff simple, and we have always appreciated knowing exactly what we were at with our neighbours. A perspective shared by CVA and others over the years, because it was nurtured to exist.
I've read the "third party analysis" posted earlier, and while in some points it is correct, it is fundamentally wrong to assume that -A- is out to turn the people of Providence into a state of servitude.
They already are, just not to us, but to people who get their freighters suicided in Niarja filled with expensive moon goo while in the mean time Paxton pilots are switching to Battlecruisers over financial difficulties in acquiring a new battleship.
Originally by: Xan Dolran
We aren't rolling over and saying we'll be -A-'s soap dropping homies... Just admitting to a mistake.
Nobody except CVA leadership has mentioned a choice of words like "rolling over" or "bowing down", it is remarkable really.
Mistakes happen, but you can perhaps now understand our confusion and amazement to see an active policy of expansion directly in our direction geographically, completely averse to our respective interests, on a basis of circumstances for which we in the past extended hands to address those (in days before the current mechanism, so the same challenges no longer apply really), and in spite of well communicated and clear boundaries and interests.
There is stubborn, and there is suicidal. Some of us wonder if it is not the frustration with New Eden's evolution in general inspiring a strange wish to end existance among the few who wield power.
One of the big realisations here is that in recent events (not specifically the D-G battle but the events leading up to it) something has become very clear to the universe. CVA and allies no longer have a special status, they presented themselves to the universe as just another set of alliances. Like any other space holding alliance. They shed off the mythology, dropped the cloak, stepped on to the stage of nullsec conflict to be like all other organisations in deep space.
But worse, while the rest of the universe changed perspective on CVA and allies, the defeat of D-G and the scale of defeat, showed the universe that not just are they now common alliances, but the myth of power and stature were shattered in the course of a single night.
In a way, CVA's ill conceived intents alone destroyed that which made them and their allies and peoples unique themselves.
There's no dagger wielded behind our backs, it should be common knowledge we much prefer to use nuclear weapons instead of slicing someone's throat in the middle of the night. There's no double agenda, we're just putting the events and information out here, that way we can be sure that the people of providence have had ample opportunity to inform themselves, and to choose. And perhaps to choose again.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
EVE-UNION
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:59:00 -
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All about slavers and their slaves... and here comes the whip:
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.
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FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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mineswallower
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 13:04:00 -
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Equinox,
A well written heartfelt plea to the masses you call slaves. I like the method that your God chose to impart his wisdom to you, such that not one single other member of your coalition can verify. You plead with your members to believe in you, yet all you offer them is your word that what you say is God's will.
Repeatedly in your rhetoric you try to force your peons to join with you with the use of words such as implore, yet was it not that God commanded you? Should you not command your slaves who grind daily to line your rich pockets with gold? Should you not force your slaves to go against their natural instincts and be slaughtered, after all, it is Gods will.
Did your all just, and honest God really command you at the exact instant that, your neighbours backs were turned that his will was to have you march in, burn their houses, enslave their workforce , disrupt their livelihood and attempt to damage their pride? Is your all mighty God not slightly hypocritical in calling us the evil terrorists in this matter?
To the general populace, can you not see that you are being blinded by somebody who asks for your trust? Can you not see that you, the great unwashed in his view, are fit for nothing more than playing the meat shield, to be cut down horribly in your prime, just so that your leaders can benefit? The offer on the table is offered in true honourable style, we love having you nearby, we love that our young warriors can test their metal against an honourable foe and we love that at the end of the fight, all can take enjoyment from the contest and live to fight again. It is not a case of giving you the ultimatum of ôpet or dieö we want this gentle competition to continue, but when our sovereignty is threatened, that requires a less than gentle response, I am sure you would wish to defend your homes with a similar vigour.
However, please know, that although we took your station in retaliation with little to no resistance from you, if you continue on the same path, following your God touched leaders blindly, you literally have not seen half of what will be lead against you. Unfortunately you have poked the bear whilst in hibernation, and now he stirs. Over the last few days we have seen the re-emergence of heroes thought long dead and buried, and some of us honestly now feel for your plight, knowing what awaits for you should you be dishonourable, dirty, and treacherous again. Some of the heroes I speak of, thrive on delivering pain beyond reasoning, which we thought we had managed to quell. You are correct, we do not want your space, and if it were possible to bring so much firepower that an outpost could be destroyed, it would be brought to bare on every last outpost your God lays claim to, reluctantly of course. But unfortunately that can not be so yet, although rumours are circulating from our scientists that something maybe in the wind. However, people will demand your pain, the destruction and punishment will be exquisite.
It is time to question your God touched leaders, it is time to ask for proof of their claims, it is time for you to stop being their sheep, and start taking control for your own lives. It will be scary at first, throwing off dictatorship always is, but in the end you will be rewarded for it, and we will be there to stand by you all the way, to help lead you out of slavery and into the exciting universe that is New Eden, where you can truly grow to be the pilot you dreamed of being whilst a child.
God forgives, -A- doesn't
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Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Stratio on 31/01/2010 13:22:34
This thread is full of win!
Originally by: Straight Hustlin
Some say the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting different outcomes.
I've always suspected that Quantum physicists are quite mad!
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus
"Thou must make war upon thy enemies to reclaim what is justly thine."
Why use such strange words? What is wrong with "You must make war upon your enemies to reclaim what is justly yours" ?
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus
Much like UK claim, it is better to live free and die with honor than to become slaves to an Empire.
Does this mean U'K can stage out of D-G from now on, as .-A-. are unlikely to hand it back to CVA if that's the official answer? 
Originally by: Black Donalds
i am a member of lfa
How odd, Concord records do not show you as being a member of LFA, neither now nor in the past. Do you mean that a close relative of your is? I could understand if your close relative wanted to stay anonymous.
Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK and giving them opportunity to strike at Provi with impunity, and its role in starting this war, if there must be any reconciliation.
You don't seem to be aware just how long ago .-AAA-. (<-- note the dots!) have been harboring us! We had been basing out of F4R since before April 2009.
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Nekre
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Posted - 2010.01.31 13:26:00 -
[44]
Go ahead [provi], make my day.. :P
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Mystic Rebel
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 13:33:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus
wall of text
Dear CVA, -A- will surrender immediatly if you send us some weed (or blue pill / crash / crystal egg / drop / exile / frentix / mindflood / nerve sticks / sooth sayer / vitoc / x-instinct) that Equinox used while writing that 
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Snakester
Caldari
Blood and Money
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Snakester on 31/01/2010 14:35:59
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
this is true, tonight a Tribal and Star Fraction fleet once again invaded Providence and who died? people who were suppose to be "under protection".
where is the mighty force of the Proviblob? Facing UK and AAA?
what then is left to you when those of us who attack from the other side charge in?
The Imperials are not capable of protecting your interests, consider well where you stand. Our own efforts have only just started and already we can travel almost unchallenged in near-providence.
Wait until things really get going!
WTF
Anyone can travel through any regions when theyre cloaked , also according to your KB you killed 1 BS in this tribal/sf fleet ... u lost 6 cruisers .... when u come in ships that can't cloaked u have your arse handed to you so please stop posting in this thread as if Star Fraction is of any importance.
EDIT:- Yours was the first ship killed in XHQ, you even got podded so i can understand that when u re-emerged inside your new clone u had one of these "Dare to Dream " moments?
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D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Snakester
Edited by: Snakester on 31/01/2010 14:35:59
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
this is true, tonight a Tribal and Star Fraction fleet once again invaded Providence and who died? people who were suppose to be "under protection".
where is the mighty force of the Proviblob? Facing UK and AAA?
what then is left to you when those of us who attack from the other side charge in?
The Imperials are not capable of protecting your interests, consider well where you stand. Our own efforts have only just started and already we can travel almost unchallenged in near-providence.
Wait until things really get going!
WTF
Anyone can travel through any regions when theyre cloaked , also according to your KB you killed 1 BS in this tribal/sf fleet ... u lost 6 cruisers .... when u come in ships that can't cloaked u have your arse handed to you so please stop posting in this thread as if Star Fraction is of any importance.
EDIT:- Yours was the first ship killed in XHQ, you even got podded so i can understand that when u re-emerged inside your new clone u had one of these "Dare to Dream " moments?
When the Tribal fleet came with their Star Fraction pets there were lol results. look at your own killboard for once. It is almost all losses. And the kills that you get are not Sev3rance..
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The Yzzerman
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:27:00 -
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Hail HOffa...
Gratz for the great things you did in D-G
/Yzzer
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Icarus3
Gallente
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Snakester
Edited by: Snakester on 31/01/2010 14:35:59
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
this is true, tonight a Tribal and Star Fraction fleet once again invaded Providence and who died? people who were suppose to be "under protection".
where is the mighty force of the Proviblob? Facing UK and AAA?
what then is left to you when those of us who attack from the other side charge in?
The Imperials are not capable of protecting your interests, consider well where you stand. Our own efforts have only just started and already we can travel almost unchallenged in near-providence.
Wait until things really get going!
WTF
Anyone can travel through any regions when theyre cloaked , also according to your KB you killed 1 BS in this tribal/sf fleet ... u lost 6 cruisers .... when u come in ships that can't cloaked u have your arse handed to you so please stop posting in this thread as if Star Fraction is of any importance.
EDIT:- Yours was the first ship killed in XHQ, you even got podded so i can understand that when u re-emerged inside your new clone u had one of these "Dare to Dream " moments?
-7- itself is rather annoying... but you... cream of the crop you are! lol
Indeed we did kill 1 battleship in suicide cruisers + a mutual enemy interceptor + neutral battlecruisers popped by tribal forced(SF is NRDS i remind you so we did not fire unless fired upon)
Fact of the matter is...we destroyed more than we lost. -7- has always been about the numbers so why is it your changing your view of things now that you are on the losing end? hmmm
BURN PROVI BURN!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:36:00 -
[50]
Ushra'Khan are not as forgiving as -a- but we stand with out brothers in arms on this mater largely.
While we would not cry to see CVA crushed under the heel of -a- retribution, we've been rebuilding to a position to do it ourselves for some time so it seems like a shame if docking in 9uy was this easy. CVA will always be red to Ushra'Khan and those that were with them in the beginning will share a similar fate.
To the average pilot flying in Providence, wondering why they are dying so that fat cat religious fanatics can get richer, take pause. Listen to the words of our brothers in -a- and the offers given. You leaders are blinded by greed, their religious crusade is but a farcical cover for their love of wealth. Would you continue to bleed for those that will not lift a finger when it is your system at risk? Or will you rise up, rise up as one and say no to the continued slaver oppression! No to dying for a false God! No to living under the shackles of CVA rule!
Consider your choices well, while you still have one.
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:38:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Pallidum Treponema on 31/01/2010 15:40:21
"And thus, at the very brink of annihilation
The People of the Faithful saw the truth at last"
The Scriptures, Book of Deliverance 13:26
"So the faithful rose in anger
To throw down their corrupt leaders
And seek peace with those who had been wronged"
The Scriptures, Book of Deliverance 14:3
"Not only had the Traitor stolen the wealth of the Faithful
But he had sold them the very ships their sons and daughters had died in
For nothing else but for his own profit
And the People saw that this was true"
The Scriptures, Book of Deliverance, 16:35
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:50:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
This post stinks stinks of weakness not strength. No alliance confident of its powers and ability makes such a "gesture" as this weeks after beginning a campaign without being terrified in their hearts of the danger of fighting ahead of them. The truth is that AAA cannot defeat Providence because they lack the endurance and long term willpower to achieve this thing.
And so are rumours starting to be spread about this too. Some could say -A- is trying a bit too hard to make CVA plus pets to "reconsider"which after reading the replies here I'm tempted to find it correct.
Too much talk for "God forgives and -A- does not." This motto will only have meaning if we see it reflected at space with a burning Providence all together.
Time will tell.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth. |
D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
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Posted - 2010.01.31 15:50:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Icarus3
-7- itself is rather annoying... but you... cream of the crop you are! lol
Indeed we did kill 1 battleship in suicide cruisers + a mutual enemy interceptor + neutral battlecruisers popped by tribal forced(SF is NRDS i remind you so we did not fire unless fired upon)
Fact of the matter is...we destroyed more than we lost. -7- has always been about the numbers so why is it your changing your view of things now that you are on the losing end? hmmm
BURN PROVI BURN!
So you admit that while losing your fleet you were unable to kill any -7- ships? Sounds like you beat them into submission.
While Providence is save for neutrals, there are plenty of neutrals who do not know how to keep themselves alive in 0.0. I don't think that -7- is to blame for the neutral's lack of care.
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Colonel Vatutin
Caldari
Tread Combat Industries
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 16:18:00 -
[54]
Meh. I guess my post was TL;DR - too many folks missed to main point.
Let's see what our provibloc leadership will come up with.
Internet spaceship is a SERIOUS BIZNISS AMIRITE GUYZ?
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Public's take on IT(BOB) vs. Goon drama:
Kishmull > was like watching two gays fight over who gets to wear the dress
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Rebnok
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 17:01:00 -
[55]
Burn them all
The only thing im running is my mouth |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 17:28:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Snakester
Yours was the first ship killed in XHQ
alas I had to sit and wait for the 4 geddons to consider and decide if they could take my Thorax; they were not set -10 at that time so I was not able to fire first.
It is the onus of fear, to get the cravens to fight.
It is a rare and delicate thing, and yet once they do I am made primary and sad to say my trash kitted suicide thorax was no match for 4 geddons and the few who rallied to save them.
Oh the shame i feel losing 7 million isk in ships and kit and a suicide clone in exchange for the glorious obliteration of Imperialist dogs and the continual shut down of Sev3rance space.
Fear and Loathing becomes you Snakester. I prefer you this way. |
Anope
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 17:44:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Anope on 31/01/2010 17:44:38
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=355180
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354871
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354616
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354592
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354480
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354414
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354305
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=354186
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=353861
Rayp
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=352166
Living under the assumption that d-g was lost to lag (or a freak occurence) is living under a lie.
http://www.a-kills.com/?a=home
This is our killboard, you will have a hard time finding a recent battle where provi-blob was not utterly defeated (one-sided)
Personally I would find it very hard to fly under an fc who has gotten our fleets annihilated every battle.
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CONQUERINGAZ
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 18:07:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Xan Dolran
(I don't honestly know how SK/U'K presented themselves in D-G)
Each brought fleets of 200+ BS (more than any one providence alliance considering useful ships)
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
TLDR
AAA is too weak to take Providence.
If we are strong AAA will capitulate.
Providence must force every ratter to fight.
If we put 800 in every target system we cannot lose.
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.Twisted Evil
I hope this is a troll attempt, as the new sov system has made it quite easy to burn a region. We do not need or have to take all your stations in order for complete victory. If we take a few select ones, your 800 man ratter horde will start to shrink.
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a newbie
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:00:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Caellach Marellus
Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 31/01/2010 07:31:37
Originally by: Colonel Vatutin
Allow me state my opinion one more time: -A- must openly state their fault in harboring UK and giving them opportunity to strike at Provi with impunity, and its role in starting this war, if there must be any reconciliation.
I believe with -A- holding every last card in their hand, as well as quite possibly the balls of half the capsuleers in Providence right now, they don't need to give in to anything. The position of power gives them the direct control over how this plays out. CVA is between a rock and a hard place, and should be greatful -A- is letting them choose.
Sounds to me like -A- is holding all 52 cards, and CVA has the 2 jokers, cause they are making me laugh.
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A sucks
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:15:00 -
[60]
-A- won dg for two reason lag and spy thats the only reason why you have dg now our numbers outnumber you that night but stupid ccp lag was in your favor, and for your spys our cap fleet whould have murderd you your titans whould have went down and you whould have went home crying lets see if you could fight without having to get our pos pw to ambush our cap fleet make it a straight up fight and see who whould win
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:17:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Samuel Cole on 31/01/2010 19:39:24
This thread is not about The Star Fraction's killboard stats in Providence, or Severance's inability to notice that we've maintained close to 90% efficiency since the beginning of this campaign. Nor is this thread about how we lost six cruisers to them two nights ago, nor Severance's inability to note the 2.13 billion isk of damage we have done to their alliance alone in the last three days. Nor is this thread about Black Lustrum in general, nor Severance's inability to notice that their industrial indexes continues to fall under our guns.
No, this thread is about the fact that CVA's leadership is either astonishingly incompetent or dangerously insane. It is about the fact that if you continue to follow them, -A- will burn through Providence, demolishing your homes and salting the earth in their wake.
Open your ears, people of faith. Sorus Chatelain has promised to attack you if you do not prosecute this war of folly. Are these the words of a godly man?
Equinox Daedalus has claimed to have a "vision" from God commissioning him to send you to your deaths. Is it hard to notice that Daedalus's God hates all the people he hates and holds all the opinions he holds? He has succeeded in making God in his own image; he has caught a glimpse of his own reflection and fallen down to worship it. There is a word for this - it is called idolatry. Perhaps if this idolater spent more time in the Ammatar Church, he would know something of the relationship between God and the oppressed.
-A- is not the first foreign empire to be used by God to crush a chosen people for their iniquity. Turn away from your leaders who lead you astray. Break away from the corruption that has you doing the work of man rather than the work of God. Flee your CVA masters and take your destiny into your own hands. Dare to dream.
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Serious Rikk
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 20:02:00 -
[62]
Originally by: A sucks
-A- won dg for two reason lag and spy thats the only reason why you have dg now our numbers outnumber you that night but stupid ccp lag was in your favor, and for your spys our cap fleet whould have murderd you your titans whould have went down and you whould have went home crying lets see if you could fight without having to get our pos pw to ambush our cap fleet make it a straight up fight and see who whould win
-A- won D-G for one reason. We are a more capable ahnd experienced battle force than anything the providence holders can deploy.
You had your chance to take a shot at our titans at that POS, instead your fleet commanders chose to jump out. You lost your cap fleet because your fleet commanders chose to come back.
Had it been a straight fight you would have got some cap kills. But the fight would still have been lost.
Nice how you hide behind an cloak. I hope to see you on the battlefield, but it would be much more fun if I were to know when I am targetting you. Hiding your face is a cowardly act and speaks volumes about how quickly we believe providence holders will loose the will to fight.
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-- Noble Scumbag
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Dru McCarty
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 20:34:00 -
[63]
People of Providence,
Question your leaders. Is this your will? Is this what YOU want? Your leaders decision to start this senseless aggression has imperiled YOUR prosperity...and possibly your existence.
Lord Sideous has offered the carrot, why do you dare him to use the stick?
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Anope
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 20:41:00 -
[64]
Unlike the cruel Curatores Veritatis Alliance, who demanded that you stand, Against All Authorities require only that you kneel.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 21:07:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Anope
Unlike the cruel Curatores Veritatis Alliance, who demanded that you stand, Against All Authorities require only that you kneel.
Do not pay much attention to this one, he is a very special person in our alliance.
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Booster Terrikk
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Posted - 2010.01.31 21:12:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Anope
Unlike the cruel Curatores Veritatis Alliance, who demanded that you stand, Against All Authorities require only that you kneel.
This makes as much sense as the rest of the thread - OP seems to be slightly confused as to what he's offering (I don't actually see any offer - can someone quote it to me please) and the constant referral to "unwritten rules" and "unmarked lines" muddles me further.
-A-'s wonderful protection of Providence when CVA was disbanded was obviously a beautiful period, with everyone on good terms and cheerfully sharing their wealth. I wasn't around at the time, but would have loved to witness that joy.
Quote:
"We have no hate for the people of Providence, we bear no malcontempt for its Holders, on the contrary"
No such word as malcontempt - plain old contempt will do just fine. |
Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:00:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Either way CVA loses and you know it.
They've lost anyway. It's just a question of how much they can extract from the armistice terms. I'd say this looks like a very favourable deal.
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Either way CVA loses and you know it.
They've lost anyway. It's just a question of how much they can extract from the armistice terms. I'd say this looks like a very favourable deal.
You really don't know CVA don't you ? 
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:30:00 -
[69]
Citizens of Providence,
Why do you follow your disiulluiosned leaders? why do you abandon a relationship so fruitful? Why do you march to your deaths? You know this will never end well for you, so while you have the time, convince your inconsiderate leaders that it is time to stop and make amends.
We harbour no hate for you. We have nothing against you. We are willing to give you another chance - hear us now, or forever live with your leaders mistake as your burden!
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LordMordred
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:38:00 -
[70]
We are not offering you forgiveness. We are offering you mercy.
If we were to offer you forgiveness, it would be a great insult to both us and you. Rather, we offer you a chance to simply walk away and keep both the honor and pride as independent Proviholders. Some say this offer of mercy is more than you deserve. We'll see.
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Colonel Vatutin
Caldari
Tread Combat Industries
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:58:00 -
[71]
Originally by: LordMordred
We are not offering you forgiveness. We are offering you mercy.
If we were to offer you forgiveness, it would be a great insult to both us and you. Rather, we offer you a chance to simply walk away and keep both the honor and pride as independent Proviholders. Some say this offer of mercy is more than you deserve. We'll see.
Lord Mordred - Please read through my columns and understand that either is not really an option for CVA - not a happy one at least, and that there is little difference for them.
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Public's take on IT(BOB) vs. Goon drama:
Kishmull > was like watching two gays fight over who gets to wear the dress
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Anna Valerios
Amarr
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.01.31 22:58:00 -
[72]
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rolee plaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
~ avs |
a newbie
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Posted - 2010.01.31 23:31:00 -
[73]
CVA is battered and bloodied, but far from down for the count. However that can become a possibility if things continue as is. Currently the ranks on both sides are harking for war, or suing for peace. I don't know about you or your fellow compatriots, but regardless if it was the leadership who made the choices, the only way to make the leadership pay, is to bring the castle down around them.
CVA made a calculated and informed decision. Not the fault of any capsuleer other than the decision makers that the blaring signs of alarm were not heeded. They gambled, and lost. And while there are those that like the status quo, others are foaming at the mouth. This war was not my own originally, but I am more than happy to jump head long into this fray.
I call for the dogs of war to be released...and let CVA eat their own words.
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CONQUERINGAZ
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 00:47:00 -
[74]
Originally by: A sucks
-A- won dg for two reason lag and spy thats the only reason why you have dg now our numbers outnumber you that night but stupid ccp lag was in your favor, and for your spys our cap fleet whould have murderd you your titans whould have went down and you whould have went home crying lets see if you could fight without having to get our pos pw to ambush our cap fleet make it a straight up fight and see who whould win
Obviously A sucks is the most capable, intelligent, and sensible person in his entire 3rd grade class. That or another troll that is taking the "going down to the stupidity of your enemies thing" to a whole new level.
In either case, we offered d-g back to prov in return for them to rescind the Operation deliverance for catch. As Manny stated, the offered was refused, and know the fun will begin.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 01:03:00 -
[75]
I support this product and/or service.
Quote:
CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.01 06:30:00 -
[76]
A followup:
It seems that a non posting edict has been sent down from on high in LFA. As my corp is the industrial branch of SMEGI but not actually *IN* LFA I was not aware of this when I made my first post and that caused us to be fined 50 million isk as a result. Sorry guys! (I would never want to do such a thing on accident).
As things stand now in Providence, from a non-enlightened perspective... The lives of many are in the hands of few. As I gather, there's more to just "Stay out of our yard and you can keep your playground." At this point it appears CVA has told AAA to go raindance on a lightning rod, so I see AAA responding with extreme prejudice. However, it appears that AAA might've left options open for holder alliances to work out arrangements with them. Can't confirm it, as again I'm not enlightened :)
As a retrospect thing... I'm still trying to wrap my head around the decisions that got us here. There seems to be two major goals influencing the Catch invasion.
First, the RP element of Project Deliverence which obviously wasn't nearly as spectacular as the retaliating project retribution on AAA's part. I can't see though, how leaders could think that this was the right course of action, the right timing, or the right target...
The other part of the decision seemed to stem from the fact that Providence was stagnating... Maybe true. But considering all of the good will in the past between the two blocs... I would've done it a lot differently. AAA and CVA in the past have arranged various challenges/skirmishes/etc... If the leaders decided that what we really needed was good exposure to sov warfare and capital engagements, why not open dialogs with AAA about setting up a sandbox... a chunk of Catch that they'd be willing to let be contested under the conditions that it was in good fun and not a threat to their empire... Hell it would've worked in Providence as well and I fear would've gotten even better turnout from the Providence pilots as it would be our home town.
But instead, we pulled a Tortuga...
As much as I love Providence and the NRDS/open-arms nature of the region... No one in their right minds should think that we can go toe to toe with the Catch bloc. We just don't have the military might needed to play in the same ballpark at this time.
Hell, Mercenary Coalition was top tier and they couldn't pull off this move, I do not understand why we are trying it. Agreeing to a cease and desist isn't this huge deal that everyone outside of the two blocs is making it out to be. It benefits both sides...
Ahh well, I'm off to transfer another 50 mil to my corp's wallet (Hate for them to get stuck with a bill for my holding to the first amendment of that great nation from Earth-That-Was.)
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Icarus3
Gallente
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 06:54:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Xan Dolran
A followup:
It seems that a non posting edict has been sent down from on high in LFA. As my corp is the industrial branch of SMEGI but not actually *IN* LFA I was not aware of this when I made my first post and that caused us to be fined 50 million isk as a result. Sorry guys! (I would never want to do such a thing on accident).
As things stand now in Providence, from a non-enlightened perspective... The lives of many are in the hands of few. As I gather, there's more to just "Stay out of our yard and you can keep your playground." At this point it appears CVA has told AAA to go raindance on a lightning rod, so I see AAA responding with extreme prejudice. However, it appears that AAA might've left options open for holder alliances to work out arrangements with them. Can't confirm it, as again I'm not enlightened :)
As a retrospect thing... I'm still trying to wrap my head around the decisions that got us here. There seems to be two major goals influencing the Catch invasion.
First, the RP element of Project Deliverence which obviously wasn't nearly as spectacular as the retaliating project retribution on AAA's part. I can't see though, how leaders could think that this was the right course of action, the right timing, or the right target...
The other part of the decision seemed to stem from the fact that Providence was stagnating... Maybe true. But considering all of the good will in the past between the two blocs... I would've done it a lot differently. AAA and CVA in the past have arranged various challenges/skirmishes/etc... If the leaders decided that what we really needed was good exposure to sov warfare and capital engagements, why not open dialogs with AAA about setting up a sandbox... a chunk of Catch that they'd be willing to let be contested under the conditions that it was in good fun and not a threat to their empire... Hell it would've worked in Providence as well and I fear would've gotten even better turnout from the Providence pilots as it would be our home town.
But instead, we pulled a Tortuga...
As much as I love Providence and the NRDS/open-arms nature of the region... No one in their right minds should think that we can go toe to toe with the Catch bloc. We just don't have the military might needed to play in the same ballpark at this time.
Hell, Mercenary Coalition was top tier and they couldn't pull off this move, I do not understand why we are trying it. Agreeing to a cease and desist isn't this huge deal that everyone outside of the two blocs is making it out to be. It benefits both sides...
Ahh well, I'm off to transfer another 50 mil to my corp's wallet (Hate for them to get stuck with a bill for my holding to the first amendment of that great nation from Earth-That-Was.)
I never thought I would see the day where a Provi resident spoke his/her mind openly and freely. Surely you have the sense of freedom flowing through your veins. For that alone... I salute you.
Do all providence residents a favor... Don't pay any more fines!
Take your freedom(in all forms) and embrace it!
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 07:12:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Xan Dolran
Ahh well, I'm off to transfer another 50 mil to my corp's wallet (Hate for them to get stuck with a bill for my holding to the first amendment of that great nation from Earth-That-Was.)
No one should have their right of self-expression stripped from them. I'm sending you a donation towards your fine, and hope that others do the same.
I understand that you were attracted to CVA because it is NRDS, but it is not the only NRDS entity who would welcome you - Ushra'Khan is NRDS, as is The Star Fraction. If you grow tired of tyranny, gag orders, and foolhardy wars, we would be happy to help you find a new home.
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Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.01 07:21:00 -
[79]
A, thank you for the donation... It was not needed but I am very grateful!
As far as the payment, the only reason I'm making it is so that my friends in Smegnet do not have to bear the burden of my decisions. I'm a believer that I am the only person accountable for my actions.
NRDS is not the sole reason I fly where I do. I fly under my CEO's flag. I've been sailing with this group for several years and will continue to do so as long as I can (barring Gerrin decides to join goons lol, no disprespect to them but they don't play my version of EVE ;) ).
Again, thanks all for response. Fly dangerous everyone! :)
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Manks Girl
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:13:00 -
[80]
*Surrounded by trolls* dont you guys belong in caves?
-A- only really won the fight due to exreme metgaming, knowing pos passwords and form up times. -A- might be a well oiled war machine but when it comes to a straight up fight how come they have to resort to spies on our vent servers and in our fleets? I tell you why, because they arent sure they can beat the proviblok without them.. and resort to primarying all main target callers and fc's. Some think this is acceptable, reminds me of those people that have to cheat, bribe, lie in sports that just cant win without them. I wouldnt be proud of your accomplishments there -A-. i would be ashamed and have no integrity.
You strength yourself on honour, duty. In reality this is folly.
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Mighty Baz
FORSAKEN LEGENDS
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:24:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Mighty Baz on 01/02/2010 11:31:17
Originally by: Rebnok
Burn them all
Harsh words were spoken. Be careful your words might rebel against AAA. Providence is sill loved by most of EvE community, because of individual feature. We followed yours steps. I don't want to be a prophet of your destiny, but history knows very well the similar acts of aggression.
It seems many neutral alliances just consider to join CVA and start chasing AAA, permanently. Who knows how long will the war go on?
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Icarus3
Gallente
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:34:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Manks Girl
*Surrounded by trolls* dont you guys belong in caves?
-A- only really won the fight due to exreme metgaming, knowing pos passwords and form up times. -A- might be a well oiled war machine but when it comes to a straight up fight how come they have to resort to spies on our vent servers and in our fleets? I tell you why, because they arent sure they can beat the proviblok without them.. and resort to primarying all main target callers and fc's. Some think this is acceptable, reminds me of those people that have to cheat, bribe, lie in sports that just cant win without them. I wouldnt be proud of your accomplishments there -A-. i would be ashamed and have no integrity.
You strength yourself on honour, duty. In reality this is folly.
All is fair in love and war.
You speak of honor, you speak of fairness, yet you are the exact opposite. You hide behind this mask. You show no corporation nor alliance. You are muzzled, a muzzled creature who lacks individuality.
-A- on the other hand express their rights and freedoms on this very page. I have never flown with them nor do I know any of them personally but for the reasons stated above they have earned my respect.
The worst part about this scenario is that we are now receiving reports that the CVA is now threatening to open fire upon those who have defended their Sov and boosted their economy for years. Attempting to force the innocent into taking part in "their" battles. The CVA asked for this... the neutral providence residents did not.
The CVA can NOT draft that of which they do not "own"
Reclaim your freedom!
Operation Deliverance indeed has it's purpose... to rid providence of it's holders!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:35:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Manks Girl
*Surrounded by trolls* dont you guys belong in caves?
-A- only really won the fight due to exreme metgaming, knowing pos passwords and form up times. -A- might be a well oiled war machine but when it comes to a straight up fight how come they have to resort to spies on our vent servers and in our fleets? I tell you why, because they arent sure they can beat the proviblok without them.. and resort to primarying all main target callers and fc's. Some think this is acceptable, reminds me of those people that have to cheat, bribe, lie in sports that just cant win without them. I wouldnt be proud of your accomplishments there -A-. i would be ashamed and have no integrity.
You strength yourself on honour, duty. In reality this is folly.
I fear you live in a utopia that does not exist if you think that CVA and the Provi Bloc do not also use spies and clandestine operatives to gain intel on others movement. Espionage is a part of any war, ask any of the Provi Bloc spies that have sat in on Ushra'Khan comms and fed intel back to CVA in the past.
Killing enemy FC's and target callers first? Hardly a new tactic, it has been around throughout all history and no one is going to stop calling high value targets like this first. I suggest your FC's learn how to delegate and utilise redundancy more effectively.
As for a straight up fight and CVA winning? No. D-G was lost before you entered the field, the question was only how much you would lose by.
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Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:53:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Xan Dolran on 01/02/2010 11:53:55
Originally by: Manks Girl
*Surrounded by trolls* dont you guys belong in caves?
-A- only really won the fight due to exreme metgaming, knowing pos passwords and form up times. -A- might be a well oiled war machine but when it comes to a straight up fight how come they have to resort to spies on our vent servers and in our fleets? I tell you why, because they arent sure they can beat the proviblok without them.. and resort to primarying all main target callers and fc's. Some think this is acceptable, reminds me of those people that have to cheat, bribe, lie in sports that just cant win without them. I wouldnt be proud of your accomplishments there -A-. i would be ashamed and have no integrity.
You strength yourself on honour, duty. In reality this is folly.
Meta-gaming doesn't exist... once Vent/TS becomes a part of the game... Spies using those resources are just part of the game as well. If you've got a mole/sleeper inside enemy lines then that's just a resource to tap... There isn't a real nation on this earth that doesn't at least *try* to put spies into organizations of interest... Why's it so taboo in a game?
I truly, really, would like -A- to GTFO of Providence... This is CVA/LFA/Sev/PXF/etc,etc... territory... but talking trash isn't going to help our cause.
Wake up and face the fact that even had we not made the grievous error of jumping fleets in and out... We would've almost certainly been beaten... Based simply on how Providence form-ups are, with multiple alliances having to work together to make the BACKBONE of operations of this magnitude.. Our discipline isn't nearly at the level needed for joint military ops... and I don't know TBH, if the way our leadership set things up can get us far enough up the learning curve to change this. I'm guessing we shall very soon see.
TL,DR: metagaming doesn't really exist (maybe hacking), I hope the Prov situation either IS or settles down to manageable. If we go to war with em Manks, guess it's time to hoist the colors and begin loading guns ;)
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Pradege D'Hallur
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 12:23:00 -
[85]
It amazes me how many of you are coming here crying and whining on the forums about the fight in d-g or this campaign in general. Fact of the matter is we would not had been in this situation if CVA and all you providence dwellers had not gone for our space. To all of you crying about pride and saving face. If it were different and we had invaded without cause or provocation i could maybe understand where you were coming from but since that aint the case maybe you all should sit back a look at how we got to this point. You all started this pure and simple.
We dont want providence we just want you all to stay off our turf pure and simple. Seems most of you all lost that point along with all the *****ing and moaning. Aralis has had a proposal brought to him that would get use out of campaign mode and give you back the d-g station, while going back to the normal raiding we used to call fun. Aralis said **** it basically and pretty much has bent Paxton over and has no plans to lube up for the next love session.
If you want to ***** and moan about why we are greifing the **** out providence then aralis is the man to talk to and send all your love mail to at this point.
Regards
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Freya Gleamingstar
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Freya Gleamingstar on 01/02/2010 13:00:40
Operation deliverance: a Crusade called in the name of God fueled by the avarice of corrupt men can only be doomed to failure. Many in Providence have and will continue to suffer and die for the pig-headed stubborness of a lofty few.
I would seriously ask those who vehemently fought for the defence of D-G to look at how they were represented by their CVA Lords and Commisarrs. Such stalwart words from them are not represented in the reports of that week, where many Holder Alliances brought many times more to the battle, fought, and died for the indescretions of others. The reports do not lie.
A time of transition is near, with the infinitely generous offer from -A- to kerb the slaughter. A level headed offer that should not be cast aside so lightly by those claiming to speak for the whole of Providence.
Some serious discussion should be made within the Holders; whether they wish to be the ones ordered to march into the fire to preserve someone elses unwavering pride, or to be the ones that collectively can restore some semblance of balance to the Region.
[color=#FF0000]{SGX}<AM> Curmudgeon and Veteran Sabre Rattler[/color]
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 13:09:00 -
[87]
I do wonder how much of Providence will stand with CVA if they are still sticking two fingers up in -a-'s face tomorrow.
Some of the Bloc are in it for the long haul and have fully bought into CVA's campaign of slavery and oppression.... I wonder how many just go along for the simple life and how many of these are interested in other options that don't result in billions in losses and destruction of their player base.....
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Manks Girl
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Posted - 2010.02.01 13:09:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Pradege D'Hallur
It amazes me how many of you are coming here crying and whining on the forums about the fight in d-g or this campaign in general. Fact of the matter is we would not had been in this situation if CVA and all you providence dwellers had not gone for our space. To all of you crying about pride and saving face. If it were different and we had invaded without cause or provocation i could maybe understand where you were coming from but since that aint the case maybe you all should sit back a look at how we got to this point. You all started this pure and simple.
We dont want providence we just want you all to stay off our turf pure and simple. Seems most of you all lost that point along with all the *****ing and moaning. Aralis has had a proposal brought to him that would get use out of campaign mode and give you back the d-g station, while going back to the normal raiding we used to call fun. Aralis said **** it basically and pretty much has bent Paxton over and has no plans to lube up for the next love session.
If you want to ***** and moan about why we are greifing the **** out providence then aralis is the man to talk to and send all your love mail to at this point.
Regards
Infact -A- left those particular systems unclaimed. So in reality it was really fair game. It wasnt *your space* as you so eliquently put it at the time.
But nevertheless was an expected response.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 13:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Manks Girl
Infact -A- left those particular systems unclaimed. So in reality it was really fair game. It wasnt *your space* as you so eliquently put it at the time.
But nevertheless was an expected response.
If you try to read more carefully you'll notice that CVA and -a- had an agreed boundary based on discussion not based on who held what sov.
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kossaw
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 14:29:00 -
[90]
You can spin the propaganda in a million different ways, but it boils down to some simple facts ......
1. Provibloc and -A- are sparring partners, not natural born enemies
2. When CVA lost Sov due to a malfunction of the CONCORD database, -A- was among the groups who stepped up to help you
3. LFA's leadership have made a stupid decision to try and change the mutualy understood borders of our space
4. -A- have responded to LFA's aggression with a show of force but followed up with an offer to return to the status quo between us
The choice is now up to you. We have made our offer.If you choose to accept then we will welcome the return to our previous happy (ish) relationship which I believe we both benefited from. If not, then -A- will burn Providence to the ground.
We do not ask or expect servitude. You are our respected neighbours. We only ask for the same respect that we have shown you.
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Icarus3
Gallente
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 14:53:00 -
[91]
Originally by: kossaw
You can spin the propaganda in a million different ways, but it boils down to some simple facts ......
1. Provibloc and -A- are sparring partners, not natural born enemies
2. When CVA lost Sov due to a malfunction of the CONCORD database, -A- was among the groups who stepped up to help you
3. LFA's leadership have made a stupid decision to try and change the mutualy understood borders of our space
4. -A- have responded to LFA's aggression with a show of force but followed up with an offer to return to the status quo between us
The choice is now up to you. We have made our offer.If you choose to accept then we will welcome the return to our previous happy (ish) relationship which I believe we both benefited from. If not, then -A- will burn Providence to the ground.
We do not ask or expect servitude. You are our respected neighbours. We only ask for the same respect that we have shown you.
Noble of AAA. But why? Considering the statements above... why offer then anything let alone a station you recently took control of?
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kossaw
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:09:00 -
[92]
See point 1
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:30:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Mighty Baz
Providence is sill loved by most of EvE community, because of individual feature.
Start naming those lovers and you'll be suprised at how short the list is. Providence is a space-faring joke, with more and more of its disgruntled former members returning to destroy that which they once protected.
(([/troll] this is IGS, take the OOC stuff to CAOD where i can troll you more epically))
Quote:
CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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desertfly
Caldari
Blackbeards Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:33:00 -
[94]
*turns on his communications device.
I would like to suggest a different type of peace treaty; you see I believe that Curatores Veritatis Alliance and Against ALL Authorities could have a treaty that mutually benefits everyone living in the Catch and Providence areas.
The ugly impression of who started what in this little border war is actually wrong,
Libertas Fidelitas Alliance is not the culprit, but the Ushra'Khan Alliance of corporations might be!
ThatÆs right Ushra'Khan is the alliance that everyone needs to be watching. You see, they are always causeing trouble and, and bloody trouble at that. They pod anyone they feel does not support there cause.
Everyone knows that the Holders Alliances operate a NRDS system. They love peace. Ushra'Khan on the other hand, runs a modified version of NRDS, if you are not red to Holders, and fly through Providence, then you are very red to the Ushra'Khan Alliance. Maybe the Holders thought they had no other choice?
I am fairly sure that Against ALL Authorities and Curatores Veritatis Alliance could get along quite well together, if only Ushra'Khan would publicly announced there willingness to lay down there arms perhaps? Stop flying into Providence once and for all? Change there NRDS policy. Or more then likely, if Ushra'Khan wonÆt or canÆt stop attacking innocent pilots and corporations and alliances, then maybe they should be put out of there own misery?
Now ask yourself what could be gained by this peace treaty? A completely secure border, for the Against ALL Authorities alliance of corporations? The completion of part of the ôProject Deliveranceö for the Curatores Veritatis Alliance? Maybe this is the win, win situation for everyone?
Anyway I thought this might be a good idea.
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kossaw
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:52:00 -
[95]
Originally by: desertfly
*turns on his communications device.
stuff
Good grief, have you even thought for a few seconds past the cheap "he said she said" crap about U'K and Provibloc. You didn't attack U'K. You attacked -A-.
Forget the political dogma (read roleplay) and get with the real world of practical politics. We have made you an offer of a "treaty that mutually benefits everyone". Talk to your leaders and get it sorted.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:52:00 -
[96]
Desertfly, U'K roe are stunningly simple:
NRDS except in Providence and Catch where we operate NBSI.
If you are in Providence and the Provibloc held elements of Catch then you are supporting CVA. CVA are very clearly working for the empire to 'reclaim' space in its name and thus enslave people.
Just because every single person in providence is not aware of the regime they are supporting doesn't give them the right to not be shot at. Ever heard the adage, if its too good to be true it probably is?
Ushra'Khan are of course a war like entity, in fact I believe it is because we were a war like entity we came to the attention of -a-. Whilst based in Curse we were mainly Red to -a- for those with short memories. We are commited to defending our space and the space of our close allies in -a- and obviously we commit ourselves further afield in support of those intentions.
The CVA and Ushra'Khan fight is long and bloody and there are many facets to be found for those that have only joined recently. Ask around and try and learn a bit more about the history before making some ill advised assumptions based on whatever propoganda you were fed on joining up.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:02:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Desertfly, U'K roe are stunningly simple:
NRDS except in Providence and Catch where we operate NBSI.
If you are in Providence and the Provibloc held elements of Catch then you are supporting CVA. CVA are very clearly working for the empire to 'reclaim' space in its name and thus enslave people.
Just because every single person in providence is not aware of the regime they are supporting doesn't give them the right to not be shot at. Ever heard the adage, if its too good to be true it probably is?
If PIE were to start operating along NBSI principles in low-sec Republic territory, we would rightly be condemned for it, and no doubt supporters of your cause would be amongst our most vocal critics.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Maurok Ortega
Minmatar
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:17:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Sapphrine
Desertfly, U'K roe are stunningly simple:
NRDS except in Providence and Catch where we operate NBSI.
If you are in Providence and the Provibloc held elements of Catch then you are supporting CVA. CVA are very clearly working for the empire to 'reclaim' space in its name and thus enslave people.
Just because every single person in providence is not aware of the regime they are supporting doesn't give them the right to not be shot at. Ever heard the adage, if its too good to be true it probably is?
If PIE were to start operating along NBSI principles in low-sec Republic territory, we would rightly be condemned for it, and no doubt supporters of your cause would be amongst our most vocal critics.
We are not the republic fleet and we have no ties to the minmatar republic anymore. If you decide to engage in piracy in any empire space it is not of our concer. If you start taking, trading or utilizing slaves then we will come for you.
Desertfly: We will lay down arms the day all men are free and no man would call himself master over another. We fight for those who dont have a choice, those who can't fight for themselves. Those who's forced labour you and all your "peace loving", "innocent" friends keep utilizing and benefiting from.
We come for our people
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:21:00 -
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Getting U'K to stop fighting you is even simpler than our ROE, renounce slavery, stop supporting those who practise the deplorable practise and UK will not shoot you.
If everyone in new eden did this, UK would lay down our arms, because we would have nothing left to fight for and nobody to fight about it. |
Uprising
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:29:00 -
[100]
Well that statement is welcomed but I will slave for my masters. I will assist to reclaim ammar space how ever it be for my adopted god the combined peoples of prov.
I just hope the next provi blob we all put our hands in our pockets and bring a real fight to reclaim D-G.
I personaly welcome the AAA redrawal from D-G but under no surrender terms, UK have poke there noise to much in our space so you AAA started this war a long time ago.
May main more pilots blood spill in D-G and the increasing expense on both sides force the withdrawal either way I will continue my offense on command.
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desertfly
Caldari
Blackbeards Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:34:00 -
[101]
*Stares intently at Sapphrine through the communications monitor,
I think you mean the Holder alliances and the Ushra'KhanÆs fight is long and bloody.
Do not propose, that members of the Ushra'Khan corporationÆs have any special legitimate history in Providence, because terrorism is not, and can not be ôlegitimateö. Make no mistake Sapphrine everyone in the area knows the inhumanities visited upon us and our friends by your member organisations. The only one here spreading propaganda is yourself.
The NRDS system that your corporations run is no better then NBSI. You shoot who ever displeases you. This has been proven time and time again. If the neutral pilot does not publicly support your views, then they are shot.
This is terrorism or?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:37:00 -
[102]
Originally by: desertfly
the Ushra'Khan corporationÆs have any special legitimate history in Providence
*bursts into laughter, tears streaming down her face*
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Uprising
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:53:00 -
[103]
Yeah Cloak and run ! lol.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 16:58:00 -
[104]
Originally by: desertfly
The NRDS system that your corporations run is no better then NBSI. You shoot who ever displeases you. This has been proven time and time again. If the neutral pilot does not publicly support your views, then they are shot.
This is terrorism or?
Since we're all busy on other matters in this particular thread, I'd ask you to look back through the archive and find the longer answers on this matter but in short:
CVA set anyone that does not follow a codified set of rules they have defined, to red. On top of that, even if you do follow it but you annoy the right people, they'll set you red. This is no different to us setting people red because they side with slavers either overtly or otherwise.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 17:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Sapphrine
Desertfly, U'K roe are stunningly simple:
NRDS except in Providence and Catch where we operate NBSI.
If you are in Providence and the Provibloc held elements of Catch then you are supporting CVA. CVA are very clearly working for the empire to 'reclaim' space in its name and thus enslave people.
Just because every single person in providence is not aware of the regime they are supporting doesn't give them the right to not be shot at. Ever heard the adage, if its too good to be true it probably is?
If PIE were to start operating along NBSI principles in low-sec Republic territory, we would rightly be condemned for it, and no doubt supporters of your cause would be amongst our most vocal critics.
Indeed, if PIE were to operate NRDS everywhere except inside the Amarr Empire (its home) and the Republic territories (its enemy) I think people would rightly think PIE an NBSI entity with some exceptions. No one really cares if PIE practices NBSI in Delve or in Venal, they care about what PIE practices in the areas they frequent the most.
The same is true of Ushra Khan. They are an NBSI alliance with exceptions.
However, this is not really what this thread is about. The question remains if the continued and directed attacks of Ushra Khan, while -A- provides them a home, can support a state of 'limited' war between CVA and holders as -A- seems to prefer.
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:00:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: desertfly
The NRDS system that your corporations run is no better then NBSI. You shoot who ever displeases you. This has been proven time and time again. If the neutral pilot does not publicly support your views, then they are shot.
This is terrorism or?
Since we're all busy on other matters in this particular thread, I'd ask you to look back through the archive and find the longer answers on this matter but in short:
CVA set anyone that does not follow a codified set of rules they have defined, to red. On top of that, even if you do follow it but you annoy the right people, they'll set you red. This is no different to us setting people red because they side with slavers either overtly or otherwise.
I have to Agree with Sapphrine's assesment here. I spent from 2005-2008 supporting providence and CVA goals, and working to develop a relationship with much of providence. I belived in the development of those freindships then and now. I formed my first 1000 man allinace with the intention of working within CVA politics to expand thier policies to other regions. I fully expected that my time having been spent defending thier space and working with others would be recognized. I soon found that CVA the alliance have a double standard that they apply to themselves vs others they work with in thier circle of control. there seemd to be a good ole boy network that was based on who you knew rather then what you had contributed through dedication and work within the area. I guess this should have been expected as with any 0,0 entity, but I belived in the ideals they claimed to posses.
I heard a particular lie repeated to me often "hang around the area for 6 months, keep your nose clean and good things will happen for you" Well I spent 3 years supporting providence through various means developing my team and expanding our influence through development and growth, but at the end of the day I always let Aralis know he could count on us.
My final straw with CVA was when they interfered with a disagreement that was far from thier territories, based on an alliance who agressed our corporation in Outer Ring by the name of Black Isle. MY guys spent the next 3 days Killing every Black Isle corp that undocked in that NPC region until they cried to CVA to have us leave the area. a CVA diplo convoed us and we informed them of the situation, that these guys agressed us and should be set KOS, CVA insisted they were blue to them even though they were "NBSI" and I needed to move my corp down to the Lowsec surrounding Providence and patrol for UShra Khan. My answer to that was quite clear, they wouldnt support us, why should we continue to support them.
It was strange to find ourselves flying with Unity on occasion given our past histories, but for the roleplay aspect of thier gameplay they are a pleasure to deal with most of the time.
My only regret is I enjoyed my personal relationship with Aralis as he has helped my corporation on occasion, but the lack of respect shown by the rest of the commanders in CVA had reached a boiling point in my corporation.
From late 2008 to 2010 We have gone through much, but my decision to work with -A- long term has not disspointed me nor my pilots. We have enjoyed much respect from our senior partner with the exception of the occasional shot for being a renter corp, we share the battlefield with -A- Proudly and will continue to do so in the future. I must say the respect we have begun to earn with -A-, and recognition of our efforts is a refreshing contrast to the contempt we were greeted with from our past allies
I hope I have not overstepped any boundaries by posting here and look forward to the pew, GL and fly safe, or unsafe depending on your realities in this game we call eve.
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Eolandae
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:25:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Eolandae on 01/02/2010 18:27:41
Slavers and religious Kooks of Providence,
I don't know much about your God, but I've heard (ad nauseum) about the mission you carry out for Him.
I imagine He is already displeased by your failure to hold D-G in His name. Wouldn't capitulation to a mortal authority and acceptance of limitations of your borders be turning your back on His mission?
At this point martyrdom is probably your best chance for salvation.
I, for one, encourage you to continue grinding your ships and pilots into a meaty paste, and am only to happy to assist with your redemption.
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William Pierce
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:26:00 -
[108]
CVA, I suggest you reconsider.
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:53:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Eolandae
Slavers and religious Kooks of Providence,
I don't know much about your God,
They know less about their God then they think they do.
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Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.01 19:12:00 -
[110]
I, as sys-k executor confirm that sys-k fully approve and support the proposal that Manfred gave to CVA.
Wake up guys, from the first time aaa and us decided to come to d-g and ass-**** you the objective was to open a diplomatic channel and offer you this.
If you want to take the chance ok, otherwise it means you have to find a lot of isk for replacing the thousands of ships that will cost your proudness.
Have fun o/
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Charlemeign
BESTIAL CARNAGE
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Posted - 2010.02.01 19:58:00 -
[111]
This is honestly the most stupid thread I have ever seen on the eve-o forums.
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Mad Frontier
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Posted - 2010.02.01 20:53:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Mad Frontier on 01/02/2010 20:53:59
Providence will burn, im ready for it
Just give us a go Liam
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.01 21:26:00 -
[113]
We come for your people!
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Nooblog
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:15:00 -
[114]
What exactly are your demands and what was discussed as a resolution?
You say that there was a scenario where D-G was handed back. Enlighten the citizens of Providence so that we may understand your side a bit better.
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
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Daughter
Aggressive Commerce Solutions Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:20:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Daughter on 01/02/2010 22:20:42
Originally by: Nooblog
What exactly are your demands and what was discussed as a resolution?
You say that there was a scenario where D-G was handed back. Enlighten the citizens of Providence so that we may understand your side a bit better.
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
I believe thus far its been a pretty straight foward offer of "here have your station back, dont invade our space again"
regarding AAA's relationship with UK, I think the general attitude is to kindly mind your own business. I don't think AAA is interested in group hugging up and down providence and catch, but instead AAA wants to preserve the mutual respect and limited hostility.
Many would have you believe that AAA is the cat playing with a mouse, but I would urge you to consider that the relationship between AAA and Provi over the past years have yielded not only pvp enjoyment for AAA members but also the residence of providence.
To say that AAA gains from Provi stepping down and thereby shaming itself is rather shallow. We provide you with pvp as much as you provide us, and to disregard this mutually beneficial relationship, however unoffical it may be, would be a true shame.
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Nooblog
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daughter
Edited by: Daughter on 01/02/2010 22:20:42
Originally by: Nooblog
What exactly are your demands and what was discussed as a resolution?
You say that there was a scenario where D-G was handed back. Enlighten the citizens of Providence so that we may understand your side a bit better.
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
I believe thus far its been a pretty straight foward offer of "here have your station back, dont invade our space again"
regarding AAA's relationship with UK, I think the general attitude is to kindly mind your own business. I don't think AAA is interested in group hugging up and down providence and catch, but instead AAA wants to preserve the mutual respect and limited hostility.
Many would have you believe that AAA is the cat playing with a mouse, but I would urge you to consider that the relationship between AAA and Provi over the past years have yielded not only pvp enjoyment for AAA members but also the residence of providence.
To say that AAA gains from Provi stepping down and thereby shaming itself is rather shallow. We provide you with pvp as much as you provide us, and to disregard this mutually beneficial relationship, however unoffical it may be, would be a true shame.
To preserve the mutual respect, wouldn't -A- and pets have had to respect CVA in the first place by respecting the wishes to keep UK out of Amarr space? They are murderers, they do nothing but terrorize the neutral, innocent who make use of the relatively peaceful space in Providence.
This campaign -A- has set out on to consider anyone in the space as an enemy means they are willing to attack and kill the innocent.
They have openly admitted to being murderers and New Eden should be aware of the criminal acts being done not only by UK, but now by -A- and pet corporations.
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Samuel Cole on 01/02/2010 22:32:20
Originally by: Nooblog
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
If -A- thinks that Ushra'Khan would be better neighbors than CVA has been, then it would make total sense for them to topple CVA's control of Providence and allow U'K to step into the gap.
Personally, I hope this happens.
Originally by: Nooblog
They have openly admitted to being murderers and New Eden should be aware of the criminal acts being done not only by UK, but now by -A- and pet corporations.
Criminal according to whom? There is no international law in nullsec. -A- is a sovereign power, beholden only to the treaties it makes.
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Nooblog
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:34:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Nooblog on 01/02/2010 22:35:15
Originally by: Samuel Cole
Originally by: Nooblog
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
If -A- thinks that Ushra'Khan would be better neighbors than CVA has been, then it would make total sense for them to topple CVA's control of Providence and allow U'K to step into the gap.
Personally, I hope this happens.
Because you and your Alliance have never been able to accomplish anything on your own and are hoping to pick up the scraps of what is left behind.
In specific, admit you're targeting -7- space to setup shop.
I have a question for you.
Lets say Providence was purged of CVA and all the space was up for grabs. Would your alliance turn down offered sov under -A-?
Originally by: Samuel Cole
Criminal according to whom? There is no international law in nullsec. -A- is a sovereign power, beholden only to the treaties it makes.
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Daughter
Aggressive Commerce Solutions Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:49:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Daughter on 01/02/2010 22:53:06
Originally by: Nooblog
To preserve the mutual respect, wouldn't -A- and pets have had to respect CVA in the first place by respecting the wishes to keep UK out of Amarr space? They are murderers, they do nothing but terrorize the neutral, innocent who make use of the relatively peaceful space in Providence.
This campaign -A- has set out on to consider anyone in the space as an enemy means they are willing to attack and kill the innocent.
They have openly admitted to being murderers and New Eden should be aware of the criminal acts being done not only by UK, but now by -A- and pet corporations.
I wasn't RPing, your RP response holds no realizable value in the greater eve community regarding the topic at hand.
Again, maybe respect is too strong of a word to describe the relationship between AAA and CVA over the paste to years. Think what you want of other players but you cannot deny that providence has benefited from being able to engage against a nearby enemy without expecting serious reprisal as result.
Again this is not a RP statement, please don't talk to me about murderers, criminals and innocence, Thanks.
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William Pierce
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.01 23:19:00 -
[120]
((This thread has gone way outside the bounds of RP, should be moved))
Anyways, Providence has less than an hour left to respond. I hope they accept the generous -A- offer, but I have a feeling their pride will be their undoing.
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Frygok
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.01 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Frygok on 01/02/2010 23:22:15
Originally by: Nooblog
What exactly are your demands and what was discussed as a resolution?
You say that there was a scenario where D-G was handed back. Enlighten the citizens of Providence so that we may understand your side a bit better.
From where we stand, you are harboring UK against the wishes of CVA. In my opinion, if you wanted to, or truly cared, for keeping neighbors as friends, you would have rectified this a long time ago. If you are as powerful as you say you are, why do you need UK to bolster your numbers?
Who exactly are the "We" that you seem to be representing? The Center for Advanced Studies in the Gallente Federation, of which you have been a student at for less than a fortnight, was not part of this conflict last time I checked my War interface. Is it now "God" who demands you to use obscure technologies to hide your true identity on Galnet, to avoid repercussions? How very coward-like behaviour from someone who talks about honour.
Furthermore, "Project Deliverance" and the incursion into Catch and Against All Authorities space was not done as a response to Against All Authorities allowing free Ushra'Khan members to live in the region. To quote "Project Deliverance":
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Catch, a most God-forsaken region, has long been held by a powerful neighbour, Against All Authorities. It is they and their allies whom the Curatores Veritatis Alliance and the Loyal Providence Holder Alliances now wage this most Holy Crusade of Reclaiming. The Curatores Veritatis Alliance and her Allies have long worked to expand the Glory of Amarr into the Providence Region of space, both via the power of our Military and Police Operations, and the ongoing Construction of Amarrian Civilization in this null-sec region. We have been and continue to be driven solely to bring the will of God to the Godless, Civilization to the Uncivilized, and the rule of Amarrian Law to the Lawless. There can be no Authority above that of God, the ultimate authority that no one, not even a mighty pod-pilot alliance, can stand against. In it therefore with great pride that we announce that operations in the Providence/Catch border-space systems have begun. Over the last few days, operations have taken place in border systems, with the allied forces of Providence repeatedly clashing against the forces of Against All Authorities and their allies. Military operations will be ongoing until such time that we consider our objectives to be met.
The case of Ushra'Khan is only an "extension of this conflict", by the words of the Amarr slaver announcement.
Also, your God seemed it fitting for you to lose more than a 100 capital class ships and uncountable lives during the engagement in D-GTMI just a few days ago. Perhaps your God is telling you to stay away from Against All Authorities, to stay away from Catch, and start thinking about whether your God is content with the way Providence has evolved during the last years, and whether or not the hybris shown by "Project Deliverance" is the creation of madmen seeking personal, material gains rather than some obscure, divine word.
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Tarran
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Posted - 2010.02.02 00:06:00 -
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So first off I speak for no-one but me. I guess until recently I fit into the peace loving (carebear) Provi holder member category (in a Paxton corp). Enjoyed the occasional pvp with A and others with what was explained to me as an informal agreement that neither side looked to make a sov move, and everyone was happy to have the occasional scrap and leave it at that.
When the LFA expansion attempt came down, there was a lot of confusion in the Paxton/CVA ranks due to bad communication and a general wt* feeling that this did not make a lot of sense. I raised my concerns, but I am a one small pawn on a mega-sized chessboard, and never have been interested that much in the politics of the game (and honestly have no right to dictate anything as I had no role in building the Provi infrastructure etc). I tried to do my part as a good soldier, but the lagfest combined with the overall stupidity of the plan and the fact that Paxton, not LFA, would suffer the inevitable blowback first, led me to pull up stakes and hit the road.
I had a friend in high school who used to pick fights with guys twice our weight. He also conveniently managed to be standing behind me when the s*** hit the fan. I got tired pretty quick of getting a bloody nose for him. Facts are facts - there are good ppl/players in Paxton, and I have nothing against them at all. Reality is that given the number of alliances and less experienced players in Provi, it never made sense to pick a fight with a more experienced and cohesive alliance, especially given the predictable addition of UK and Sys-K to the fight. I'm not sure why anyone's ego would need to suffer in admitting this fact. Perhaps ppl take this all a bit too seriously?
NRDS imo is a great addition to Eve - gives pilots a chance to experience some of the less lucrative 0.0 space and pvp opps for all. Would be a shame for it to go down the toilet bcs someone got bored or couldn't just accept that a plan didn't work.
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Dagrin RDM
Caldari
The Leather Knights
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.02 00:16:00 -
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And so Providence will burn, because it's leadership has lost their way. They mistook the voice of the Sin of pride speaking in their hearts for the voice of God.
But, the battles will be glorious! And those who honour their oaths to serve will be rewarded by God, while those who lead us to our destruction, and the oathbreakers who run, will suffer the fate they so justly deserve. If through God's grace we are triumphant, it will because of those who remembered their God and served in spite of the sins of their masters, it will be because of God's great mercy to those of us who fight and bleed and die, only to die again, and again in His great name.
If we win, it will not be because of those who fight for our fallen and venal leadership, who no longer care for anything more than their glory, it will be because of those who still hear the true voice of God, those who serve with His voice in their hearts, those who die with His name on their lips.
Providence will burn, but it is in Gods hands whether it will be the fires of destruction, or of purification.
May God have mercy on our souls, and aid our vengenance against our enemies.
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LordMordred
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.02 00:31:00 -
[124]
Times up. Burn.
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Lightzy
Cult of the Spinning Meat
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:26:00 -
[125]
So, I guess CVA leadership didn't accept any deal offered to them?
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Xan Dolran
Minmatar
Smegnet Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:51:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Lightzy
So, I guess CVA leadership didn't accept any deal offered to them?
From my understanding, CVA have stated from the beginning that they weren't backing off or making any deals with AAA. I think AAA was making those gestures to the holders of the region moreso than CVA.
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Acerbo
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:58:00 -
[127]
CVA before the ****
Lets see what will happen now
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Motseth
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Posted - 2010.02.02 04:20:00 -
[128]
What Provi holders forget is that most of Providence pilots are not Amarrian loyalists, they are there for profit and when profit cant be made they will move out, some sooner than others.
If the war continues Provi will failcascade quickly. Who knows, maybe Goons will come fight for the region, heard its slighly better than Venal this time of the year ;)
So I said my opinion that nobody cares about, and most of all I made a joke with goons recent fail so I think I'm done here.
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Void
Caldari
Old Timers Guild
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.02 05:22:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Motseth
What Provi holders forget is that most of Providence pilots are not Amarrian loyalists, they are there for profit and when profit cant be made they will move out, some sooner than others.
as I read this thread and all the RP crap going on in it it just amazies me that anybody believes any of it ...there are like 4k people living in provi and 80 % dont give a crap about amarr victor they care about the work they have put into building provi into a very special place ..to let any holder alliance decide the fate of that many residents is bull...and to think that those who have the most to loose will sign on to save LFA ...well they are dreaming ...it wasnt cva or LFA that lost its station it was pax and whose systems will aaa & friends take next in there move to teach LFA & CVA a lesson ...PAX who from all reports didnt have any say in this move into the systems aaa droped sov in..
I love provi and will fight to save provi but I am truly dissappointed in the desicions made ....
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Conlin
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:16:00 -
[130]
Well I told em their official statement re : "Operation Deliverance" , would be an own goal . Big difference attacking en masse in Derelick against small corps & alliances ,to making demands on alliances in null sec with teeth .
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Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:54:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Samuel Cole on 02/02/2010 08:54:11
Originally by: Nooblog
Edited by: Nooblog on 01/02/2010 22:35:15I have a question for you.
Lets say Providence was purged of CVA and all the space was up for grabs. Would your alliance turn down offered sov under -A-?
I couldn't answer this because, unlike CVA, The Star Fraction is a democracy. Were such an offer to be made, it would be debated internally for a few weeks and then put to a vote in which all members have an equal voice regardless of seniority. It is an interesting difference between us and CVA - in The Star Fraction, our leaders are held accountable to us rather the other way around.
I imagine such a policy sounds very attractive to the many corporations who are fleeing Providence right now...
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George Carsonygen
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:24:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Acerbo
CVA before the ****
Lets see what will happen now
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 09:53:00 -
[133]
Ironic isn't it?
The same arrogance which has helped you build all this,
the same arrogance that has fueled this expansion,
the same arrogance that kept you going when others said it could not be done.
That same arrogance will now be your demise.
The Amarrian empire's history is littered with overconfidence:
- the Jovians
- the Minmatar slaves
- Against All Authorities.
Your arrogance will cost you your dear expansion into 0.0.
Sleep tight, operation Deliverance.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:26:00 -
[134]
Looking forward to docking in 9uy.
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EI Torrent
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:53:00 -
[135]
So -A- incites rebellion in provi by offering peace. And now LFA officially chickens out of this war and CVA will be too busy dealing with Lasterax's crap to worry about re-invading Catch. At least now provi forces have become all the weaker. GREAT psychological warfare, and even more amazing is the dumb LFA leadership falling for it.
WELL DONE -A-, you do Sun Tzu proud.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:18:00 -
[136]
I'd love to get in on some of this tbqh. But not on CVA's side.
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The Terror of Tararan
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:02:00 -
[137]
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
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Freya Gleamingstar
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:41:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Freya Gleamingstar on 02/02/2010 12:41:21
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
The Single deciding engagement in D-G's fall cost Proviblock over an estimated 240 billion in collaterol PLUS POS's, PLUS the outpost. That is not including the weeks worth of destruction from reinforcing and smaller fights.
It will be seen truly how much fat in Providence there is to burn, and more to the point - how many Holders are willing to do so for the sake of someone else's arrogance when this could have been so easily averted.
[color=#FF0000]{SGX}<AM> Curmudgeon and Veteran Sabre Rattler[/color]
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:52:00 -
[139]
Originally by: EI Torrent
Blah blah
WELL DONE -A-, you do Sun Tzu proud.
At least it's not El Torrent making this statement. Reported for impersonating another player, in this case a CEO of an alliance.
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linnan herra
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:09:00 -
[140]
I see CVA has become KOS-listed by itself...
You had ur territory of "rules"...
There is time for talks and i think that time has gone..totally on the side of -A-
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:10:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Freya Gleamingstar
stuff
I'm quite sure that from the hundred's of corps living in Providence, some will jump off the wagon and will go by the easy way and "discover" that after all they always loved AAA, others will leave the area, and some might even be destroyed. That WILL happen. But if you think that CVA will quit the region...
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Jiro Rans
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:13:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Ironic isn't it?
The same arrogance which has helped you build all this,
the same arrogance that has fueled this expansion,
the same arrogance that kept you going when others said it could not be done.
That same arrogance will now be your demise.
The Amarrian empire's history is littered with overconfidence:
- the Jovians
- the Minmatar slaves
- Against All Authorities.
Your arrogance will cost you your dear expansion into 0.0.
Sleep tight, operation Deliverance.
You should know a lot about how arrogance builds up and destroys empires.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:21:00 -
[143]
Deaduck, I think you are living under the deluded opinion that religious based greed will survive exterminatus.
CVA will burn, they know this and they've chosen their lot.
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Lightzy
Cult of the Spinning Meat
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:03:00 -
[144]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
What is the hurry? Not like they _need_ to clear all in 1 week. Few systems at a time, slowly eating away CVA's property, while not burning out own pilots with 24/7 CTAs
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:26:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Invelious on 02/02/2010 14:28:26
Originally by: Jiro Rans
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Ironic isn't it?
The same arrogance which has helped you build all this,
the same arrogance that has fueled this expansion,
the same arrogance that kept you going when others said it could not be done.
That same arrogance will now be your demise.
The Amarrian empire's history is littered with overconfidence:
- the Jovians
- the Minmatar slaves
- Against All Authorities.
Your arrogance will cost you your dear expansion into 0.0.
Sleep tight, operation Deliverance.
You should know a lot about how arrogance builds up and destroys empires.
I was going to go there, but opted the higher road, but it feels good seeing someone pointed that out.
Originally by: Lightzy
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
What is the hurry? Not like they _need_ to clear all in 1 week. Few systems at a time, slowly eating away CVA's property, while not burning out own pilots with 24/7 CTAs
They will have to start taking CVA systems, and not, say, Paxton systems.
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GBlock
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.02 15:24:00 -
[146]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
I am sorry but you gonna have to read again. you got the idea wrong.
Hint - outposts.
also you should stick to fighting ebil guristas.
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Dek Kato
Amarr
Hedion University Alumni Corporation
Raikiri Assasins
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Posted - 2010.02.02 19:03:00 -
[147]
These are dark days for all of Amarr. While I fully support the Empire, and its loyal subject's attempts to bring God's light to the dark regions of space, I can no longer support the CVA or its affiliates. The entirety of this action, from the encroachment upon their neighborÆs borders, has smacked of arrogance and mismanagement. This can only cost them, and the Empire they claim to support, as seen in the loss of D-G.
While it pains me greatly, I must therefore admit that CVA has lost legitimacy. As has been stated, they now embody the same arrogance that cost us so much in the Jovian war and Minmatar rebellion. This sort of outdated thinking has no place in this age, and will only cause us more losses and continue to lessen our power and importance as a whole. As long as they claim to represent our Empire, the entirety of Ammar suffers.
I choke upon these words. To support the enemies of our Empire. But I must, that these pretenders be overthrown, and that we may start anew to reclaim that which was ours, with pure hearts and mind. I do not wish Providence to burn. I do however, wish the CVA to burn. Rise up, those true to God! Overthrow them and reestablish GodÆs will in Providence, before you fall to the Godless. And if it must be so, better heathens rule than heretics.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.02 20:05:00 -
[148]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
The holders will jump ship and abandon the region, rather than lose all their assets in a one-sided slaughter. Or they will convert to AAA/UK's side of the conflict, and I imagine be offered very favourable terms if they wish to be detached from the lunacy and delusion of CVA's leadership.
It will only take a few decisive victories before morale, and CVA, come tumbling on down. After that, taking over stewardship of the holders would be a mere formality.
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Enochia Starr
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:45:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Enochia Starr on 02/02/2010 21:46:26
Edited by: Enochia Starr on 02/02/2010 21:45:32
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
Thanx i am sure we will need it, after all we are facing a force that lost roughly 150 cap ships with superior tactics by their FC's.
If all goes well i will be mining in GE in just a few days for my new Overlord, The Mighty CVA.
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Azriel's Legion
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.02 22:59:00 -
[150]
"Its not worth it Kuseka."
"Yeah it is. Now go away i have to do this."
"Not a chance you're not going back there not after the strings i pulled to get you out. Its over man.. move on."
Shaking his head Kuseka sat down at the terminal at his quarters in Heorah. Konoch was right this was over. Still Konoch had never done what Kuseka had. Had never experienced the providence area in its best days. If he could physically do nothing he could at least say something.
'I remember all too fondly the first day travel was cleared to providence. When Paxton Industries was undergoing an incredible series of changes that would eventually develop into the group known as Paxton Federation. I was the first. The first Paxton Industries member to traverse the pipe all the way down to a friendly station. It was a wild trip uneventful in terms of who had been there. But it was a trip unlike anything i had experienced before. I had been out to the wild lands on two previous occaisons with two seperate outfits. But in neither of those trips did i feel what i did that day. Pride, elation, what a truly great explorer or archeologist feels when they discover something incredible.'
'It was only rivaled by my utter disgust when i recently left the providence region after a long absence. I didnt understand the full situation at the time. I only knew that i had to meet up with the man who brought me back. Little did i know that LFA would be such *******s. At the time of my absence i had no clue CVA could be so reckless. I was never a subscriber to Amarrian ideals or CVA's beliefs. I followed profit as did PXIN or so i thought. Information has come into my posession concerning the recent events in D-G that lead me to make this statement. PXF it is time for you to go your own way. No more good can come of the arrangement that you setup two years ago. Everything changes in the world we live in. What you agreed to was not a suicide pact. D-G and its aftermath was a wakeup call. I can only pray you listen.'
'To those who feel their leadership is failing them my new outfit might not have null sec access but they have balls attitude and direction. Something which if i believe what i have seen PXF has lost. Look me up in the Heorah system if you want to know more.'
Kuseka Adama.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.03 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
CVA will be there for the long run and what you just made is giving an entire new purpose to CVA mission, thing that was lacking since the last TRI invasion, about 3 years ago...
Good luck AAA you gonna need it...
You seem to think that CVA and the other Providence forces are more capable of sustaining a prolonged conflict than -A-, do you have any evidence to back this up?
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Oddly Inconsequential
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:05:00 -
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Quote:
You seem to think that CVA and the other Providence forces are more capable of sustaining a prolonged conflict than -A-, do you have any evidence to back this up?
Do you have any evidence to the contrary? I don't think either -A- or Providence have had to sustain a serious attack on their homeland for a long time, and as a matter of interest, when was the last time either of them had a serious grind which ended in them taking a region?
Wait and see, I guess.
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.03 02:35:00 -
[153]
i am fighting against the cva since mere weeks after i got my pod licence.
that many years ago there leader was aralis.
now there leader is again aralis.
i knew his answer bevore i finished reading the offer.
it was impossible for him to give in as much as it was impossible for us ushra khan to give in when we where attacked at unity station.
we once left the homelands in the republic, swore that we would try to stop the amarr and there slaverways or die trying and staying tru to our word we do.
there is the cva, again under the banner of lord aralis, they swore to fight for the empire and there gods will as written in the scriptures , reclaiming what there god told them to be theirs or die trying.
i knew his answer
lord aralis
you well remember the days UNITY station fell and all the events around it, i am pointing especialy at the political development around those who resided in the ushra khan side of providence.
how quik some are in fogetting friendship and shared archivement and shouting : neutral!!!
in those days, when the wrecks oclouding the stars, u learn about humans.
it shatters you to the bottom of your soul and after the firestorm is over, leaving your world in smoldering ruins, you will notice that you are no longer the same.
than,if your soul is realy strong, u will stand up again, open your eys, look around and see a darker and more cruel "new" world. this might now be your fate.
when u have wandered through this transition, arriving in your new and dark second life u will find us of the ushra khan allready there and whaiting for the "new" aralis and cva, ready to again stand in your way and u will notice that thistime we are no longer half your sice
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.03 02:42:00 -
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Dreadnaught ready and fueled to burn some slaver homes
While we're talking about burning slaver homes, any LFA want to comment on theirs? Smelling a lot of smoke coming from that tiny little corner...
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CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Eljar Kjeldsson
Caldari
Smegnet Incorporated
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.02.03 05:07:00 -
[155]
Originally by: squishinator
Originally by: Eljar Kjeldsson
I loled
I wouldn't if I were U
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Freya Gleamingstar
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.03 08:27:00 -
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CVA's arrogance continues to stand arm in arm with their idiocy in this matter.
While they bellow more stubborn words of defiance which will condemn the region to bloodshed, they then put themselves at odds with the 2 major Holder Alliances that represented the majority of their fighting force in D-G: LFA who they have now kicked from the Providence agreement in an attempt to convince -A- to halt their onslaught and PAX who CVA have not thought neccesary to include in all command decisions (but have thought them useful enough for them to remain to be Providences buffer zone). In one fell swoop CVA have themselves depleted both the fighting numbers in Providence as well as the trust fostered between them.
Holders, Providence residents, you have madmen playing with your fate, and they have chosen for you to burn to save their precious pride.
I would urge all those who will be affected to think carefully about your political position on this matter. This is not the Righteous CVA of old that will defend your space, but merely the remaining Polititians and Businessmen seeking to milk you all for all you are worth before the end. In the final analysis - as you have seen with what has happened with LFA this week, they will use you, and then discard you - blaming you for their shortcomings.
[color=#FF0000]{SGX}<AM> Curmudgeon and Veteran Sabre Rattler[/color]
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Posted - 2010.02.03 08:55:00 -
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unwinnable fight. Neither side will win. I fully expect the previous boarders to be restablished and things to go back to how they were. Providence without some serious firepower (more then just -A- systematic chaos and UK) is not capable of being taken, just like Provi is unable to take and hold more space in catch without more guns then they have. If this conflict ever truly gets going, which is debatable, alot of ships will be killed systems in providece and catch will change hands multiple times, but eventually both sides will burn out and leave things, most likely after d-g is reclaimed for the fifth or sixth time. Will be fun and long, but achieve no changes on the map.
Both sides have to fight, and both sides will lose. Without something like a director betrayal we will not see providence fall or operation deliverance make any notable progress.
If anyone wants to bet me on this feel free.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.03 09:51:00 -
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Oh this fight is surprisingly winnable, it just depends who is in leadership of Providence. There are three obvious end conditions.
1) .-A-. give up / get defeated. Unlikely, as any time they are bored they can smash a station, and they can pause whenever they want. Providence have shown themselves to be unable to mount a serious counteroffensive, so while it may take a long time eventually Providence will run out of stations.
2) Providence are burned from the map.
3) The holders rebel against CVA, throwing them to empire. At this point the sov agreement is reinstated, and Providence goes on as before. Amusingly if Providence also renounces slavery at this point UK have to stop roaming it, if not the sov agreement will be with .-A-. alone, and we'd keep trying to wipe Providence out.
Lets be honest, number three is the most likely scenario.
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a newbie
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Posted - 2010.02.04 15:57:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Invelious
Edited by: Invelious on 02/02/2010 14:28:26
Originally by: Jiro Rans
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Ironic isn't it?
The same arrogance which has helped you build all this,
the same arrogance that has fueled this expansion,
the same arrogance that kept you going when others said it could not be done.
That same arrogance will now be your demise.
The Amarrian empire's history is littered with overconfidence:
- the Jovians
- the Minmatar slaves
- Against All Authorities.
Your arrogance will cost you your dear expansion into 0.0.
Sleep tight, operation Deliverance.
You should know a lot about how arrogance builds up and destroys empires.
I was going to go there, but opted the higher road, but it feels good seeing someone pointed that out.
Originally by: Lightzy
Originally by: DeadDuck
Good decision AAA. You just arranged your self a tremendous problem. Now you will have to do it... all the 50 stations, or you will loose your face. Sure you gonna win at the very beggining but time is not in your favour here. CVA and Holders will see a lot of fat being burned but they will not collapse, and with time the experience will come.
What is the hurry? Not like they _need_ to clear all in 1 week. Few systems at a time, slowly eating away CVA's property, while not burning out own pilots with 24/7 CTAs
They will have to start taking CVA systems, and not, say, Paxton systems.
By now I am sure you have heard?
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 10:48:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Algey
Oh this fight is surprisingly winnable, it just depends who is in leadership of Providence. There are three obvious end conditions.
1) .-A-. give up / get defeated. Unlikely, as any time they are bored they can smash a station, and they can pause whenever they want. Providence have shown themselves to be unable to mount a serious counteroffensive, so while it may take a long time eventually Providence will run out of stations.
2) Providence are burned from the map.
3) The holders rebel against CVA, throwing them to empire. At this point the sov agreement is reinstated, and Providence goes on as before. Amusingly if Providence also renounces slavery at this point UK have to stop roaming it, if not the sov agreement will be with .-A-. alone, and we'd keep trying to wipe Providence out.
Lets be honest, number three is the most likely scenario.
Here is the translation of AAA member post from another Galnet Communique Outpost.
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For AAA, providence is a greenhouse, where, neatly, row in row, in beds, potatoes, cucumbers, eggplants and other tasties are being grown. From time to time AAA roaming gangs come and carefully pick those vegetables, sticking with strict quotas. And now the vegetables have revolted. Surely the vegetables must be put back into beads using the most harsh way, with the appliance of every resource available. That's all.
http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php
So basically you say one thing while AAA say another, Which is it ? AAA want to Farm Providence while UK come for their people, but leave with whatever Sansha loot and Ore they can get of a unsespecting ratter or miner.
Sorry I dont think the Holders are buying your BS, I know were not.
We just dont like being Farmed, the Vegatables have revolted and are going to eat the farmer, beware of the Veggie Fleets, we are coming.
I think Paxton summed it up pretty nicely with this:
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 05/02/2010 11:20:24
Slaver you're an idiot.
References to you being a vegetable while appropriate are just metaphors.
I am not speaking for -A- but I do speak for U'K. Our history is long and blood strewn in Providence and goes back further still and always to the one end:
Death to slavers.
Nothing has changed.
We have worked for this for years, ever since the fall of Unity, we have built our strength, trained ourselves, and all the time taken war to you, weakening you as best we could, showing the people of Providence your real face - the face of the slaver - whenever we could.
You throw your weak smack-talk about us just killing ærattersÆ, well slaver; just go check our kill records. Go ask your holders why they respect us, why many seek to join us.
Why it is one Ushra'Khan pilot can fight 5 or 10 of you lot alone and win? Not people in the belts, not miners, but Providence response gangs. Go on look. Check my records if you like; they are open to the public.
And while youÆre doing your homework, remember something - when you had the chance to show your honor, your prowess in battle, you fitted assault missiles to a bomber and in destroying your opponent destroyed any shred of respect you may have had in our eyes.
While you lorded it around Providence all high and mighty, we built up strong allegiances with a powerful foe as we know to unseat 10,000 pilots from a region of space was not something we could do alone.
We were prepared to go on for years to achieve our ends - indeed we still are should it come to it.
And now, unexpectedly perhaps, for never did I dream you were so weak, we see things coming to fruition (no pun intended), and all you can do is blather on about vegetables. I respect many of your alliance mateÆs slaver, but not you. You are indeed, a vegetable.
Regardless, we of the Ushra'Khan, we come, and we come for you.
Death to slavers!
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Mistress Sophi
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Posted - 2010.02.05 11:19:00 -
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very insightful about CVA
CVA plans to attack AAA - june 6. 2009
last bit mentions willingness to set standings to goons!
ps: link wont work, but feel free to use your own brains to find candy
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Neena Valdi
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.05 11:21:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
For AAA, providence is a greenhouse, where, neatly, row in row, in beds, potatoes, cucumbers, eggplants and other tasties are being grown. From time to time AAA roaming gangs come and carefully pick those vegetables, sticking with strict quotas. And now the vegetables have revolted. Surely the vegetables must be put back into beads using the most harsh way, with the appliance of every resource available. That's all.
And you guys never come to Catch in roaming gangs?
Ignorance is the bliss...
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 11:38:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 05/02/2010 11:38:50
It's very clear that the holders loyalty is to their income and assets, not CVA's increasingly strange 'strategy'.
CVA are not as essential to the functioning of Providence as they might think. The holders would switch sides in the face of a viable offer - indeed, several are already holding talks to that effect.
Not exactly suprising, but the NRDS ideals of Providence can quite easily live on with CVA pushed into lowsec, where their incredible arrogance and utter delusion would serve them better.
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edeity
Amarr
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2010.02.05 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkcrest
My final straw with CVA was when they interfered with a disagreement that was far from thier territories, based on an alliance who agressed our corporation in Outer Ring by the name of Black Isle. MY guys spent the next 3 days Killing every Black Isle corp that undocked in that NPC region until they cried to CVA to have us leave the area. a CVA diplo convoed us and we informed them of the situation, that these guys agressed us and should be set KOS, CVA insisted they were blue to them even though they were "NBSI" ....
Similar experience here. I was genuinely inspired and wished nothing more than to serve Amarr with CVA, yet now I am forced to watch with a smug smile as the arrogance has its comeuppance. Sad days.
But all is not over yet. -A- will have trouble sustaining interest in "low value" (so funny to think people are less valuable than moons) space, and will make themselves vulnerable by sustained focus on Providence.
The CVA ideals are actually their chance at success - openess. But to truly pursue this they must evolve into a new political structure that supports and includes. You are almost there CVA, but your success requires you to make the evolutionary leap and assimilate your enemies into you.
Your political culture is your asset, not your isk. Use this to convert the heathens and the young. CVA should fight with its strengths. You have crippled yourself for so long with this selfish pursuit of wealth.
Announce an amnesty for those who would swear loyalty, and reward those who prove themselves. But for this to truly work, Operation Deliverance needs to evolve. A meta crusade will need to form. The only viable defense for Holy Providence is offense, and the offense must be smarter than paltry ships. Religion, culture, politics and economics is where you have to wage war, these are what will convert the largest fleets to your cause.
Form a new crusade, call all loyal to Amarr. Mandate adoption of NRDS across all Holy Territory, and NBSI to all unredeemed territories, or territory in contention. A new KOS list, for this new Crusade must be maintained, and new offices of leadership created.
You have the moral authority to do this. Draw upon the full power of the faith of the people. You are stronger than isk or spaceships. Do it for real, stop pretending you believe and actually practice your faith.
YOU HAVE SERVED IN FAITH, LET YOUR FAITH SAVE YOU - GO THE NEXT STEP.
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 12:22:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
words
I have to give it to you, you have worked for years to become AAA Pets, they just dont let anyone be their pet. I can only wonder of the talks that took place and are taking place to get AAA to do your dirty work for you.
As far as a bomber duel, I am glad your heated about it, and quite frankly I dont need your respect nor desire it, next time someone from the UK want a 1 vs 1 they will think twice before they open their mouth spouting local nonesense of banter and dillusion. The deal was a bomber duel, no one said I had to fit bombs and or torps on it, at least Pandemic Legion didnt cry when it was used to kill their bombers like it was used to kill yours.
As far as your metaphores, for someone who wants to return to some status quo that never really existed of stay off my lawn I will stay off yours, execpt for a brief time when AAA actually asked for a no pos warefare agreement due to changes to Concord controlled space not long ago we agreed to it for a period of time.
We have never thought of AAA in contempt as they seem to think of us.
If AAA wanted to be freindly they surely have a funny way of showing it. If they truly wanted a no Sov warefare agreement they would of spoken with Aralis the Allaince executor, and said hey were on the wrong foot here, we want a no Sov warefare agreement with you guys, we think your pretty good guys and we like you and dont want to have to fight you on a Sov Basis.
But instead were a Vegatable Garden to be Farmed, that will get us to agree to no Sov Warefare ;)
Sorry but we cant have any peace where your neighbor thinks your a Garden to Farm off of, some in New Eden actually have honor and decency about themselves unlike UK.
We actually thought this war would be fun to do some shooting with AAA and have a good few fights with them, learn some lagtastic Sov warefare, that we never engage in but the UK seem to be fanning the flames behind the scenes, stroking their AAA masters, you probably have them thinking we were going to take HED.
Soon AAA will get bored with you, of that I am sure.
But dont worry I have purchased 100 Vagabond class vessels, and fitted them with cloaks, I cant wait till you have 9UY back, if your able to actually take it, I will be comming for your people!
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Tarac Nor
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 12:51:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Tarac Nor on 05/02/2010 12:52:14
I actually have been told via a higher up in the holders who shall remain nameless that HED was the goal, to secure another hisec route into empire, to expand your so called Operation Deliverance. Unfortunately ive been having trouble with my data recorder in my ship so the logs will not be provided.
Please spare me your lies slaver, i know the truth and anyone with a brain could have guessed your goals for the expansion.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 12:56:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
incoherent ramblings
Tell me, dear slaver - could you sound any more deluded and bitter if you tried?
I'm sorry we've got betters allies and we're members of a better powerbloc than you. Actually, I'm not sorry. It's a source of endless amusement when people like you go off on bitter 'lol pets' tangents at every moment.
Without your holders, you are nothing.
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Conlin
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 13:26:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Edited by: Wildcard Trek on 05/02/2010 12:27:30
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
words
I have to give it to you, you have worked for years to become AAA Pets, they just dont let anyone be their pet. I can only wonder of the talks that took place and are taking place to get AAA to do your dirty work for you.
As far as a bomber duel, I am glad your heated about it, and quite frankly I dont need your respect nor desire it, next time someone from the UK want a 1 vs 1 they will think twice before they open their mouth spouting local nonesense of banter and dillusion. The deal was a bomber duel, no one said I had to fit bombs and or torps on it, at least Pandemic Legion didnt cry when it was used to kill their bombers like it was used to kill yours.
As far as your metaphores, for someone who wants to return to some status quo that never really existed of stay off my lawn I will stay off yours, execpt for a brief time when AAA actually asked for a no pos warefare agreement due to changes to Concord controlled space not long ago we agreed to it for a period of time.
We have never thought of AAA in contempt as they seem to think of us.
If AAA wanted to be freindly they surely have a funny way of showing it. If they truly wanted a no Sov warefare agreement they would of spoken with Aralis the Allaince executor, and said hey were on the wrong foot here, we want a no Sov warefare agreement with you guys, we think your pretty good guys and we like you and dont want to have to fight you on a Sov Basis.
But instead were a Vegatable Garden to be Farmed, that will get us to agree to no Sov Warefare ;)
Sorry but we cant have any peace where your neighbor thinks your a Garden to Farm off of, some in New Eden actually have honor and decency about themselves unlike UK.
We actually thought this war would be fun to do some shooting with AAA and have a good few fights with them, learn some lagtastic Sov warefare, that we never engage in but the UK seem to be fanning the flames behind the scenes, stroking their AAA masters, you probably have them thinking we were going to take HED.
Soon AAA will get bored with you, of that I am sure.
But dont worry I have purchased 100 Vagabond class vessels, and fitted them with cloaks, I cant wait till you have 9UY back, if your able to actually take it, The Veggie Fleets will be comming for your people!
Make it 300 slaver , you got a lot to learn 
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 13:37:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
If AAA wanted to be freindly they surely have a funny way of showing it. If they truly wanted a no Sov warefare agreement they would of spoken with Aralis the Allaince executor, and said hey were on the wrong foot here, we want a no Sov warefare agreement with you guys, we think your pretty good guys and we like you and dont want to have to fight you on a Sov Basis.
Some kind of offer or deal could have been made, perhaps on IGS in a thread much like this one?
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some in New Eden actually have honor and decency about themselves unlike UK.
Interesting to compare this comment to the one about bombers earlier.
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you probably have them thinking we were going to take HED.
Deploying SBUs into HED was probably what made them think that you would attack HED.
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 14:00:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Edited by: Tarac Nor on 05/02/2010 12:52:14
I actually have been told via a higher up in the holders who shall remain nameless that HED was the goal, to secure another hisec route into empire, to expand your so called Operation Deliverance. Unfortunately ive been having trouble with my data recorder in my ship so the logs will not be provided.
Please spare me your lies slaver, i know the truth and anyone with a brain could have guessed your goals for the expansion.
HED was never the goal, that is a bold face lie, of course that is what one comes to expect from UK, nothing but lies and half truths with the smoke and mirror magicians effect.
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 14:07:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Xennith
Deploying SBUs into HED was probably what made them think that you would attack HED.
That was done only 2 days ago, when they deployed them in 9UY, was kind of funny watching everyone scurry home, HED was never in the official plan. We had enough respect for AAA to not even bother.
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Neena Valdi
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.05 14:42:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
HED was never the goal, that is a bold face lie, of course that is what one comes to expect from UK, nothing but lies and half truths with the smoke and mirror magicians effect.
Even if HED wasn't a goal (which I highly doubt), you do realize that SV5 is only one jump from the HED and is direct threat for our security?
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.05 14:55:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Originally by: Xennith
Deploying SBUs into HED was probably what made them think that you would attack HED.
That was done only 2 days ago, when they deployed them in 9UY, was kind of funny watching everyone scurry home, HED was never in the official plan. We had enough respect for AAA to not even bother.
no no the fact you tried to take sov along the pipe from d-g to hed is totally not pointing out your objectives.... as for respect if you had any you wouldn't have invaded our space.. cva's warmongering started this conflict let us not forget!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 15:12:00 -
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Wildcard, I can forgive your raging on here given the situation. You have just managed to make up one of the biggest capital losses in history due in no small part due to your utter incompetence as an FC and on top of that you've got Aralis proposing a strategy of wait until they're too bored to care. It seems fair to say you're having a bad couple of weeks.
Lets look at the hilarious snippets of information the CVA propoganda machine has spat out recently....
'U'K have hired mercenaries to mess with us'
'U'K are pets of -a-'
'CVA weren't the driving force behind Operation Deliverance'
'Holders opinions do matter to us, we don't act unilaterally without consultation'
I think people in glass houses should stop with the rocks. If you're interested in making an impression on us Wildcard try to show the holders that CVA still stands for something rather than anarchistic change and personal profit.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:10:00 -
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This is all turning into a bit of a meltdown for the CVA central directorate it seems. But the current ranting of the Amarrians and their bondslaves seems to forget that many of people they are fighting have a very long memory of Providence and the things that were done there and by whom. I remember the way the Ushra'khan were cheated of their outposts by malfunctioning sovereignty systems. I remember the mercenaries and external forces CVA have used time and time again. I remember the low quality of recruits brought into these "holders." I remember the lies told by CVA about their enemies. I remember being called "pirate" "NBSI" "outlaw" and "villainess" myself in the Citadel channels as CVA brought hundreds of previously neutral and uninvolved meatshields to the fights between us.
And I remember seeing CVA holders saved from destruction at the climax of Terminus-Est by the intervention of GoonSwarm who prepped a capital fleet and opened cynos at the moment of the CVA's greatest need at the pressure of TRI's invasion and combined Ushra'khan/Fraction action in KBP. Sometimes you cannot conveniently unwrite the embarrassing secrets of the past CVA.
They come home to roost.
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Kozmic
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:03:00 -
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That is not fair, Sapphrine. I for one wish for Wildcard to lead many more Providence cap fleets. I'd also like to praise his corporation's logistic corps - some say that their incompetence lost them an unstronted tower yesterday. I disagree - they did manage to put stront in two of them, after all. Perhaps in a few months, all their towers will be stronted.
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Wildcard Trek
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:08:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Wildcard, I can forgive your raging on here given the situation. You have just managed to make up one of the biggest capital losses in history due in no small part due to your utter incompetence as an FC and on top of that you've got Aralis proposing a strategy of wait until they're too bored to care. It seems fair to say you're having a bad couple of weeks.
Lets look at the hilarious snippets of information the CVA propoganda machine has spat out recently....
'U'K have hired mercenaries to mess with us'
'U'K are pets of -a-'
'CVA weren't the driving force behind Operation Deliverance'
'Holders opinions do matter to us, we don't act unilaterally without consultation'
I think people in glass houses should stop with the rocks. If you're interested in making an impression on us Wildcard try to show the holders that CVA still stands for something rather than anarchistic change and personal profit.
One wonders how you are able to move your mouth in such a manner to spout forth such rubbish. I do wonder how I was the FC, I strictly remember planet side duties that day, and I know I have read tales of much larger Capital engagements with losses much greater than what we had, but I guess if you can play it up as the complete destruction of the Providence Forces for your propoganda agenda then go ahead.
It was a turkey shoot point blank and simple, no one was able to see the battlefield let alone have control over any of their systems, if this is how the mighty UK chest beat of victory, when it is quite clear no one could fire back let alone even know they were there, then that must be what it takes to get you to decloak and show up.
A mistake was made, we learned and will move on.
But if you want to spin it in a way so you can gain fame and fortune, ok.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:24:00 -
[179]
No one is claiming fame and fortune off of your mistakes Wildcard, they speak for themselves. You'll notice I said in no small part not that you were leading.
Your ramblings seem to only really cover off one point, do try to answer off the other points in an equally amusing way.
I trust with your strategy of avoiding fights currently you have plenty of time for Forums :)
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dgfhdfg
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:10:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Quote:
For AAA, providence is a greenhouse, where, neatly, row in row, in beds, potatoes, cucumbers, eggplants and other tasties are being grown. From time to time AAA roaming gangs come and carefully pick those vegetables, sticking with strict quotas. And now the vegetables have revolted. Surely the vegetables must be put back into beads using the most harsh way, with the appliance of every resource available. That's all.
http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4627/aaapost.png
So basically you say one thing while AAA say another, Which is it ? AAA want to Farm Providence while UK come for their people, but leave with whatever Sansha loot and Ore they can get of a unsespecting ratter or miner.
Sorry I dont think the Holders are buying your BS, I know were not.
We just dont like being Farmed, the Vegatables have revolted and are going to eat the farmer, beware of the Veggie Fleets, we are coming.
I think Paxton summed it up pretty nicely with this:
http://www.darthninjabadger.com/images/ProvidenceDefiance.jpg
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Oh lol. Voting Shar Gath for Farmers Society chairman. He farmed more vegetables than anybody else in AAA, may be excluding Shadeforce
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Brother Rashid
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Posted - 2010.02.05 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Rashid on 05/02/2010 20:55:47
words of nonesense... all this lost for nothing
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aldebaran asteroth
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Posted - 2010.02.05 21:03:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Edited by: Wildcard Trek on 05/02/2010 12:27:30
As far as a bomber duel, I am glad your heated about it, and quite frankly I dont need your respect nor desire it, next time someone from the UK want a 1 vs 1 they will think twice before they open their mouth spouting local nonesense of banter and dillusion. The deal was a bomber duel, no one said I had to fit bombs and or torps on it, at least Pandemic Legion didnt cry when it was used to kill their bombers like it was used to kill yours.
I got to get into this and call you for the liar you are wildcard, i got the logs to show you that i came into the system and you started rambling about we cloaking all the time... then you asked me for a duel, which i agreed to, but told you i was in a Manticore and told you "i agree to the duel but don't go lame on me by fitting your ship in other way than for bombing" you went and fitted your ship with standard missile launchers. I recall i messaged your leader at the time and he excused himself for the actions of, quote: "pilots who don't know about the respect that used to exist between enemies" and scolded you for what you did.
If you want so i can post those logs... so the fact you have no honor is proven to all of us.
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Perseus Kallistratos
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 21:55:00 -
[183]
CVA, you should have listened to old friends (whom you cast out and would not let into your fold), when they told you not to anger -A-. I can say with assurity that we are laughing now. At this point, you reap what you sow.
Delve has fallen, your masters have dwindled into nothing. The gamble in siding with Goons was unwise. The stupidity in refusing an offer of peace will prove to be catastrophic. The sad part is that you have so many inexperienced pilots that are going to pay for your snobbish attitude and ignorant belief in Amarr destiny bullsh**. You have proven to be inadequate in fleet warfare. -A- would grind you down without help. But who says they will stand alone? When you sided with Goons you sided against other powers. Do not expect mercy for your stupidity.
-MVN- once worked for you as guns for hire. You snubbed what could have been. In Atlas we poached on your lands. Now we will come take them from you.
To those who live under the "protection" of CVA, leave now. Your masters have let madness overtake reason. Don't let yourselves be consumed in the firestorm that is surging towards you.
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 22:57:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Perseus Kallistratos
CVA, you should have listened to old friends (whom you cast out and would not let into your fold), when they told you not to anger -A-. I can say with assurity that we are laughing now. At this point, you reap what you sow.
Delve has fallen, your masters have dwindled into nothing. The gamble in siding with Goons was unwise. The stupidity in refusing an offer of peace will prove to be catastrophic. The sad part is that you have so many inexperienced pilots that are going to pay for your snobbish attitude and ignorant belief in Amarr destiny bullsh**. You have proven to be inadequate in fleet warfare. -A- would grind you down without help. But who says they will stand alone? When you sided with Goons you sided against other powers. Do not expect mercy for your stupidity.
-MVN- once worked for you as guns for hire. You snubbed what could have been. In Atlas we poached on your lands. Now we will come take them from you.
To those who live under the "protection" of CVA, leave now. Your masters have let madness overtake reason. Don't let yourselves be consumed in the firestorm that is surging towards you.
It shames me that I once called MVN brothers in arms in IAC when one as gullible as you thinks CVA has ever had anything going with Goons. I Pray to God that he may forgive your misunderstandings when the time of your judgment is at hand.
Amarr Victor.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 23:08:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Hellaciouss
one as gullible as you thinks CVA has ever had anything going with Goons.
[ 2009.05.29 05:28:47 ] Lonewolfnight > I'd be wililng to entertain joint pressures. CVA will take space of our own might/power. We can coordinate attack times and resources. Push on multiple fronts. That would be segnificant. |
Hellaciouss
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 23:20:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Hellaciouss
one as gullible as you thinks CVA has ever had anything going with Goons.
[ 2009.05.29 05:28:47 ] Lonewolfnight > I'd be wililng to entertain joint pressures. CVA will take space of our own might/power. We can coordinate attack times and resources. Push on multiple fronts. That would be segnificant.
At no point in time has CVA paged Goon leadership to arrange any 'joint' venture against -A-. CVA was red to the alliance formerly known as GoonSwarm for their crimes against the Amarrian Empire. You and your terrorist allies may entertain this fantasy of yours as long as you wish, but it will forever be just that, a fantasy.
Amarr Victor.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 23:32:00 -
[187]
CVA leadership was engaged in discussions with the NC/PL/Goons powerblock with a view to engaging in joint or coordinated ops against .-A-. in catch during the delve war.
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Daughter
Aggressive Commerce Solutions Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.02.05 23:53:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Hellaciouss
At no point in time has CVA paged Goon leadership to arrange any 'joint' venture against -A-. The Alliance formerly known as GoonSwarm was red to CVA for their crimes against the Amarrian Empire. You and your terrorist allies may entertain this fantasy of yours as long as you wish, but it will forever be just that, a fantasy.
Amarr Victor.
You sir are very very wrong. I suggest you ask around the people implicated and do some fact checking
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.06 04:20:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Daughter
I suggest you ask around the people implicated and do some fact checking
The fact is, quite simply, a chatlog from nearly a year ago that ended unsatisfactorily for those who approach CVA because we would not enter into a direct agreement/cooperation with the involved parties has very little bearing on the here and now. If read in its entirety, the referenced log actually illustrates that there was never any sort of agreement or cooperation, to the chagrin of those who approached Lonewolf.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.06 10:24:00 -
[190]
I find it hard to believe that two powers that have each other as "red" on overview manage to converse on a -a- supercapital fleet together. Then proceed to shoot it together and not damage or kill a single ship on each other's sides, even after the -a- supercapitals have left the field.
CVA fleet command is not going to lie itself out of this. I thought it was Amarrian doctrine to sick by your actions. This sounds like back pedaling to me. I hope the families of the fleet commander(s) that ordered this stupid alliance with Goons are disgraced and their assets repossesed and their lives taken.
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Ser'aina
Minmatar
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.06 11:12:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Ser''aina on 06/02/2010 11:11:49
Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim.It is your evil that will be sought by us.With every breath, we shall hunt them down.Each day we will spill their blood til it rains down from the skies.Do not kill, do not ****, do not steal other people's space, these are principles which every man of every faith can embrace.These are not polite suggestions. These are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost.There are varying degrees of evil, we urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see us and on that day you will reap it. And we will send you to which ever god you wish.
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.06 12:22:00 -
[192]
Edited by: Hellaciouss on 06/02/2010 12:27:14
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I find it hard to believe that two powers that have each other as "red" on overview manage to converse on a -a- supercapital fleet together. Then proceed to shoot it together and not damage or kill a single ship on each other's sides, even after the -a- supercapitals have left the field.
CVA fleet command is not going to lie itself out of this. I thought it was Amarrian doctrine to sick by your actions. This sounds like back pedaling to me. I hope the families of the fleet commander(s) that ordered this stupid alliance with Goons are disgraced and their assets repossesed and their lives taken.
It may be hard to believe for one so burdened by such false beliefs such as yourself and the rabble terrorist s****you call 'friends', of that there is no denying.
However, when looking at the whole picture, you can see that since -A- was indeed engaged with the alliance formerly known as GoonSwarm elsewhere in the galaxy who were bored with -A-'s "blue balling" tactics decided to strike out at other places where it could find high value -A- super capitals. Often there have been 3 way battles occurring with no side being aligned with each other, like what was witnessed in the CVA vs -A- vs GoonSwarm battle.
I do not expect you to be able to process such information that is obviously very hard to fathom for you and your ilk. I can only pray that God may show mercy to those who strike against his faithful and loyal followers out of the false pretenses others are able to fool your fragile minds with.
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Pimpertron
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Posted - 2010.02.06 13:05:00 -
[193]
-A- Love to play the big fish in a small pond.
Always avoiding dangerous foes and going after the weaker ones. Sitting on the fence while the other major powers go at each other then mopping up some crums.
Attacking IAC after watching them struggle against the likes of MC and co is a perfect example.
-A- have been lucky so far in that all the other major powers have been busy destroying each other but im sure one day you will find yourselves up against an equal then we shall see what your really made of.
You have been lucky to have CVA as a neigbour, a relitively peacful alliance that is more than able to defend its own space and of course watch your backs for you.
You know full well your next neigbour might not be so convienient hence the bull**** offers ect.
For such a large entity what exactly has -A- achieved apart from building a large amount of titans while the rest of eves super powers were duking it out?
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Neena Valdi
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.06 13:24:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Pimpertron
-A- Love to play the big fish in a small pond.
Always avoiding dangerous foes and going after the weaker ones. Sitting on the fence while the other major powers go at each other then mopping up some crums.
Fight for Q in 2009 and 2010 is what you call avoiding?
Originally by: Pimpertron
Attacking IAC after watching them struggle against the likes of MC and co is a perfect example.
Still bitter about it? C'mon, get over...
Originally by: Pimpertron
-A- have been lucky so far in that all the other major powers have been busy destroying each other
"All big powers" already tried to beat AAA on our field. They succeeded as much as your poor attempts of trolling.
Originally by: Pimpertron
but im sure one day you will find yourselves up against an equal then we shall see what your really made of.
You have been lucky to have CVA as a neigbour, a relitively peacful alliance that is more than able to defend its own space and of course watch your backs for you.
You know full well your next neigbour might not be so convienient hence the bull**** offers ect.
This "relatively peaceful alliance" started this war. They invaded our space, we fought back and even offered them a peace treaty thats akin of a "respectful draw"... They refused and now they face the consequences of their own actions.
Originally by: Pimpertron
For such a large entity what exactly has -A- achieved apart from building a large amount of titans while the rest of eves super powers were duking it out?
Just look how bitter you are... Isn't that an achievement?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.06 14:11:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I find it hard to believe that two powers that have each other as "red" on overview manage to converse on a -a- supercapital fleet together. Then proceed to shoot it together and not damage or kill a single ship on each other's sides, even after the -a- supercapitals have left the field.
CVA fleet command is not going to lie itself out of this. I thought it was Amarrian doctrine to sick by your actions. This sounds like back pedaling to me. I hope the families of the fleet commander(s) that ordered this stupid alliance with Goons are disgraced and their assets repossesed and their lives taken.
Having seen first hand witness evidence of CVA and Goon defensive cooperation during our Terminus-Est campaign at the climax of the Ushra'khan/SF/TRI challenge on Sev3rance sovereignty in KBP it is amazing to me that the CVA leadership is still claiming it didn't have defensive pacts and offensive planning with the Goons through the last several years.
A little investigation elsewhere will discover the existence of incriminating chatlogs fully implicating the leadership of CVA in these matters.
I guess the only tragedy for CVA ultimately is they backed the wrong ally in broader galactic warfare and something tells me that if the Goons had crushed IT and -A- with the held of Pandemic Legion and the NC we wouldn't be seeing Hardin and Aralis denying their friendship as fervently as they are now.
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Agent Cookie
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Posted - 2010.02.06 14:29:00 -
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Quote:
[ 2009.05.29 05:37:47 ] Lonewolfnight > Id be willing to discuss coordinated attack times etc to focus the pressures if a good enough case was made
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:03:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Having seen first hand witness evidence of CVA and Goon defensive cooperation during our Terminus-Est campaign at the climax of the Ushra'khan/SF/TRI challenge on Sev3rance sovereignty in KBP it is amazing to me that the CVA leadership is still claiming it didn't have defensive pacts and offensive planning with the Goons through the last several years.
Having seen first hand how compromised CVA are at every level of planning, leadership, and intelligence, it is amazing to me that the enemies of CVA are still claiming a scenario which would have been easy to prove, and evidence of which would include more than a discussion of hypothetical possibilities that ended without satisfaction or decision nearly a year ago.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:50:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
I find it hard to believe that two powers that have each other as "red" on overview manage to converse on a -a- supercapital fleet together. Then proceed to shoot it together and not damage or kill a single ship on each other's sides, even after the -a- supercapitals have left the field.
Actually, you're wrong. I was in that fleet as well, and goonswarm pilots did shoot and kill CVA pilots. Actually, we were shooting each other after the fight. Sure, they attacked the -a- supercaps, but it was more for the kills and not working together.
Also, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
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Ronan Le'Meurtrier
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Posted - 2010.02.06 21:28:00 -
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Being essentially neutral to the situation allows me time to gain a solid 'personal' perspective. Political agenda (or otherwise) aside, Prov, under CVA control, has always been more about 'what's in the best interest of CVA' and less about 'and friends/neighbors' needs and boundaries. This is perfectly fine by me, despite my KOS standing in Prov across several toons due to affiliations. This is how CVA wishes to experience their corner of the universe and there are no objections as to how any1 would choose to do so.
It is the nature of us all to seek, first, friendship then power then ultimately to engage those who would threaten us. I believe that CVA has forgotten friendship and has disregarded it as paramount in survival, believing itself an immovable, stand-alone force able to take on the entirety of New Eden. Beyond this, 'and friends' has become a term holding less weight in the arena of true relations while gaining ground in pioneering an idealistic disregard for the value of those who stand outside the ticker but stand but stand in defense thereof as if flying under it. It is disheartening that so many have sworn loyalty to an alliance that refuses to reciprocate the gesture but to these 'and friends' pilots who actively struggle in their efforts to remain loyal regardless, kudos for your ethics.
It's consequences of actions and the lack thereof that define CVA's immediate future, as is true for any1 flying anywhere within the bounds of New Eden at any time, albeit CVA bares infinitely more responsibility in upholding its well established and self-proclaimed high moral base than the average capsuleer. Aside from whatever consequences are brought about by attempting to occupy and subsequently expand into Catch, as well as the inability to reach diplo resolutions regarding the event, all things are temporary. This is a year of change, challenges and heroics. As well, with -A-, it is also a year of benevolence toward the promise of mutual respect returning to the neighborhood if CVA can/will meet the situation with reason and logic, a disposition that, I fear, has fallen upon deaf ears within the imperial sect. To fall with dignity is still a fall yet pride can be brought back from the brink of humiliation with mutual reverence and certain concessions.
As I continue to observe the events as they play out in and around 9uy4-h, I look onward to a future that will undoubtedly be better in any event as Prov is forced into a state of evolution, as is inevitable regardless of the outcome. I offer both sides of the field respect and hope that, despite the end results of this escalation, you will not find cause to harbor malice.
-Ronan
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Lilly Tigress
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.06 23:28:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Having seen first hand witness evidence of CVA and Goon defensive cooperation during our Terminus-Est campaign at the climax of the Ushra'khan/SF/TRI challenge on Sev3rance sovereignty in KBP it is amazing to me that the CVA leadership is still claiming it didn't have defensive pacts and offensive planning with the Goons through the last several years.
Having seen first hand how compromised CVA are at every level of planning, leadership, and intelligence, it is amazing to me that the enemies of CVA are still claiming a scenario which would have been easy to prove, and evidence of which would include more than a discussion of hypothetical possibilities that ended without satisfaction or decision nearly a year ago.
having seen how incompetent cva is even at defending, nor even attacking space you should have been glad you had a nice neighbour like us that only tried to give you a clue how to run fleets and fighting in a fleet scenario to stand a bit of a chance in fighting, instead you bite the hand that fed you and had already a hand over your space you cant defend on your own against even a mining fleet, sad times ahead for the amarrian empire if the elite squad of em acts like this, shame on you cva, shame...
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 02:43:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Lilly Tigress
having seen how incompetent cva is even at defending, nor even attacking space you should have been glad you had a nice neighbour like us that only tried to give you a clue how to run fleets and fighting in a fleet scenario to stand a bit of a chance in fighting, instead you bite the hand that fed you and had already a hand over your space you cant defend on your own against even a mining fleet, sad times ahead for the amarrian empire if the elite squad of em acts like this, shame on you cva, shame...
Then I suppose you're giving us exactly what we deserve.
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Wtf Pwnage
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Posted - 2010.02.07 23:58:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Ser'aina
Edited by: Ser''aina on 06/02/2010 11:11:49
Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do not want your tired and sick. It is your corrupt we claim.It is your evil that will be sought by us.With every breath, we shall hunt them down.Each day we will spill their blood til it rains down from the skies.Do not kill, do not ****, do not steal other people's space, these are principles which every man of every faith can embrace.These are not polite suggestions. These are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost.There are varying degrees of evil, we urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain. But if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see us and on that day you will reap it. And we will send you to which ever god you wish.
As a newer player to Provi, and one of the so-called "meatshields/vegetables" enjoying some nullsec time, I have some questions and opinions.
1) First, where the sweet caress is all this roleplaying coming from? CVA is justified (that's their "thing"), but hyperbole and stilted language much? U'k and -A-, for people who "hate" RP, you guys sure are frighteningly good at it.
2) U'K: If you hate slavers, do you fly Amarrian ships in your fleets? Do you use Amarrian assets in your space? Do your allies fly Amarrian designs? I know no freedom-loving internets spaceship corp would EVER join forces with those who would indirectly finance Amarrian slavery. So cut the poop and stop pretending you don't fly these ships in your fleets or knowingly associate yourselves with people who fly these ships in their fleets. If this is about SOV violations, then say so. If this is about having an easy pvp target to farm, then say so. Please stop degrading real liberty with your horrible prose and say what you mean.
3) Real liberty is self-sufficiency. If U'K needs -A- to survive, then who's liberty is in jeopardy? If they make money off of me using BPO's, then let them. To suggest a capitalist system is slavery belies the fact that EvE allows any player to ascend to the ranks of those you disparage for having more internet spacebucks.
4) By extending your defensive fleets to beyond the "status quo" and issuing ultimatums to CVA, you are attempting to assert your superiority over them and subjugate them to your will? This is to me the definition of slavery, and what makes it worse is you are trying to do it to real people playing on the internet. CVA's biggest RP trangression is being "fake slavers" of "fake internet slaves". Which is worse?
5) If you intend to "erase" them from Providence, you eliminate a NRDS policy that is nearly extinct in EvE, and provides the only meaningful non-fleet pvp left in game. A game of honor and skill. Is this what EvE is destined to become...vast empty zones in deserted empires? Major force on force lag fests, determined, not by skill and honor, but by random chance and blind luck?
If so, we should be ashamed to claim any victory at all. That is all.
WP.
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:43:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Wtf Pwnage
Wall of text!
I really dont know why it has to be repeated so many times but CVA invaded our space! We offered a negotiated peace deal which ammounted to us giving back d-g in exchange for them not invading our space again. THEY refused and continued to plot how to steal our space, therefor leaving us with the only option of destroying them to protect our own interests.
As for RP, well that is U'K's thing too infact i think they been at it longer than cva (Not sure on this) As for -A- well we're supporting ou allies :)
As for flying ammar ships - since these ships are mostly build outside the control of the amarr empire - it does not impact the efforts to free the slaves and where the need arises using the best tool for the job be it minmatar or amarrian tech is just common sence - i also dont believe that U'K has claimed to fly exclusively minmatar ships infact i'm even willing to bet there are afew amarrians in u'k (again not sure on this)
your points about self suffiency are somewhat confusing - yes u'k are our allies - much the same as cva has LOTS (or had) of allies. You yourself were reliant on cva's protection while in providence so self suffiencey in the absence of people wil a like mind to yourself is needed but not nessesarily optimal - and we had no problem with how cva made money in providence what we objected to was there invasion of our space. As for the slaves U'K is liberating from CVA they are the non capsulear population trapped, beaten adn whipped into doing their masters bidding
as for the nrds policy being erradicated from 0.0 - there are other regions of 0.0 where nrds policys are being upheld - and u'k after cva have been removed most likely would return to the nrds policy they operate in other regions of space outside of the current warzone. also once cva is gone what happens in providence really is little concern to us
as for being ashamed - perhaps you should think once again about who started this conflict - who offered to end it peacefully and reevaluate your position
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:17:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
I really dont know why it has to be repeated so many times but CVA invaded our space!
Which space was invaded?
There were some abandonned systems...
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:34:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
I really dont know why it has to be repeated so many times but CVA invaded our space!
Which space was invaded?
There were some abandonned systems...
sv5 and f9e amoung others may have not been offically soverign territory but that they were in our sphere of influence was well known by both you and your cva masters, dont try deny it will jsut make you look ignorant.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:42:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
sv5 and f9e amoung others may have not been offically soverign territory but that they were in our sphere of influence was well known by both you and your cva masters, dont try deny it will jsut make you look ignorant.
We don't read minds very well.
If -A- has their flag planted in a system, we know that it is claimed and under their influence.
If you drop sovreignty in a system, why would we not assume it was no longer wanted?
Or is -A- struggling to keep up payments under these new sovreingty regulation? They certainly are a pain, eh...
Anyway, as you admit. These were not "offically sovereign territory" and so there was no invasion... at least not until -A- attacked legitimate sovreignty under the regulations.
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Xious
Caldari
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:43:00 -
[207]
Quote:
2) U'K: If you hate slavers, do you fly Amarrian ships in your fleets? Do you use Amarrian assets in your space? Do your allies fly Amarrian designs? I know no freedom-loving internets spaceship corp would EVER join forces with those who would indirectly finance Amarrian slavery. So cut the poop and stop pretending you don't fly these ships in your fleets or knowingly associate yourselves with people who fly these ships in their fleets. If this is about SOV violations, then say so. If this is about having an easy pvp target to farm, then say so. Please stop degrading real liberty with your horrible prose and say what you mean.
((OOC)) I'd still drive an Audi even if I hated the Germans.((/OOC))
CALDARI VICTOR!
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:52:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
sv5 and f9e amoung others may have not been offically soverign territory but that they were in our sphere of influence was well known by both you and your cva masters, dont try deny it will jsut make you look ignorant.
We don't read minds very well.
If -A- has their flag planted in a system, we know that it is claimed and under their influence.
If you drop sovreignty in a system, why would we not assume it was no longer wanted?
Or is -A- struggling to keep up payments under these new sovreingty regulation? They certainly are a pain, eh...
Anyway, as you admit. These were not "offically sovereign territory" and so there was no invasion... at least not until -A- attacked legitimate sovreignty under the regulations.
you dont need to be a mind reader just takes a little common sence and about 2 neurons and as your cva master declared so proudly right here that they were invading catch it seems rather silly to deny it now
as for the invasion - you can deny it if you wish but since 0.0 is lawless space your invasion was as real and legitimate as ours - we just did it with more style, skill and talent
we beat back your invasion then removed some of your territory for good measure - a message your masters didn't seem to understand and it is begining to look like that you dont either
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:10:00 -
[209]
I am simply a realist.
The facts remain regardless of any claims by either side. The systems were unclaimed and so somebody decided to claim them. I do not make this judgement, CONCORD does. We call it lawless space, yet still we suffer increased regulation, expences, and general red tape...
But if -A- need to cry 'Invasion' then that is their issue...
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:19:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
I am simply a realist.
The facts remain regardless of any claims by either side. The systems were unclaimed and so somebody decided to claim them. I do not make this judgement, CONCORD does. We call it lawless space, yet still we suffer increased regulation, expences, and general red tape...
But if -A- need to cry 'Invasion' then that is their issue...
they were 'claimed' they just weren't holding sov - unlike some alliances we prefer using our isk for building hmmm oh i dont know SUPER-CAPITALS than claiming systems that have no need to be holding sov to be used
with your level of short sightedness though its no wonder you cant even defend what you had let alone invade anywhere else
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:37:00 -
[211]
So sure, you wished to have the benifit of the systems without paying the fees to show legal sovreignty.
That's fine. It just meant it wasn't an invasion. That's all.
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:51:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
So sure, you wished to have the benifit of the systems without paying the fees to show legal sovreignty.
That's fine. It just meant it wasn't an invasion. That's all.
pray tell then what was it? moving in and attempting to claim space that was under the influence of someone else is generally called an invasion regardless of what labels and red tape was or was not in place
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:57:00 -
[213]
It was officially unclaimed space.. meh. I did not write the CONCORD regulations. You will have to take it up with them.
Pray tell why do you find the need to even call it an invasion?
Did you need an excuse to invade Providence?
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 04:16:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
It was officially unclaimed space.. meh. I did not write the CONCORD regulations. You will have to take it up with them.
Pray tell why do you find the need to even call it an invasion?
Did you need an excuse to invade Providence?
i call it an invasion because you tried to take our systems that you know damn fine were ours and only dropped sov in because we didn't feel it was nessessry for those systems to be wasting isk
regulations and rules have nothing to do with it - they were ours you tried to steal - and now you'll pay the price
knowone in -a- wanted this war (though i grant you has been quite alot of fun) we even offered peace - but cva wanted war so war they have gotten - hope you all think it was such a good idea when running mission in high sec
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Rebnok
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 04:40:00 -
[215]
as for invading space, you amarr s****where hostile to me in my fav home station why must you invade our newest station system d-g
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 04:42:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
i call it an invasion because you tried to take our systems that you know damn fine were ours and only dropped sov in because we didn't feel it was nessessry for those systems to be wasting isk
regulations and rules have nothing to do with it - they were ours you tried to steal - and now you'll pay the price
knowone in -a- wanted this war (though i grant you has been quite alot of fun) we even offered peace - but cva wanted war so war they have gotten - hope you all think it was such a good idea when running mission in high sec
You may call it whatever you wish. It does not change the fact that CONCORD flagged these systems as officially unclaimed. If you have an issue with that then I suggest taking it up with CONCORD.
Now, if you did not wish a 'war', then perhaps you should not have invaded systems which were officially anexed under the regulations. This is all your war after all...
My question reamains as to why you even have the need to claim this as a retaliation? Why would you need a reason to attack Providence anyway?
And peace is easy. You can simply stop your war as you wish. Or not. This again is really your issue.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 05:02:00 -
[217]
AAA peeps STFU or GTFO.
enough FAP FAP FAP.
Everyone by now knows what the score is. Everyone needs to shoot there guns more and there mouths less.
TIA
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Illiartiznaiey
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Posted - 2010.02.08 06:44:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
You may call it whatever you wish. It does not change the fact that CONCORD flagged these systems as officially unclaimed. If you have an issue with that then I suggest taking it up with CONCORD.
All big 0.0 alliances nowadays have plenty of "unclaimed" systems. And for a very good reason.
You seem to have very little clue about how new sov. claim works and how much it cost to pay bills for systems with your sov.
So stop being so dellusional.
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Now, if you did not wish a 'war', then perhaps you should not have invaded systems which were officially anexed under the regulations. This is all your war after all...
Ahaha AAA should just sit and wait until you backstab them once more somewhere else? Get real little CVA pet.
Originally by: Xina Tutor
And peace is easy. You can simply stop your war as you wish. Or not. This again is really your issue.
WTS brain... cheap.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 07:05:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Illiartiznaiey
All big 0.0 alliances nowadays have plenty of "unclaimed" systems. And for a very good reason.
Well duh... The fees will send them broke. Boo Hoo. I can't help if it they can't pay their bills.
-A- is the one crying invasion. I just can't for the life of me imagine why they would bother.
Now begone little one who is not even in an alliance...
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Illiartiznaiey
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Posted - 2010.02.08 07:43:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Well duh... The fees will send them broke. Boo Hoo. I can't help if it they can't pay their bills.
rofl... Yeah, you can't help but to be deluded.
Originally by: Xina Tutor
-A- is the one crying invasion. I just can't for the life of me imagine why they would bother.
Should I call Cpt. Obvious so he explain 2+2=4 to you, my dear friend?
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Now begone little one who is not even in an alliance...
Am I not? ;)
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 08:09:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Illiartiznaiey
Am I not? ;)
You may have a dear friend who is, but it seems they fear showing their face in this venue...
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Ronan Le'Meurtrier
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:52:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Originally by: Illiartiznaiey
Am I not? ;)
You may have a dear friend who is, but it seems they fear showing their face in this venue...
LOLz. It would seem that CVA has made a funny by implying there should exist fear, though for the life of me I cannot fathom for what cause someone would regard as valid for requiring anonymity 'in this venue'. Surely not to be excluded from a long-since abandoned KOS list. Surely not for fear of being tracked through hi sec for 'transgressions' as these efforts are dealt with on a case-by-case basis once on 'the other side' of the Kari gate. Surely not once considering that our beloved CVA is dying in both their homeland and in their hi sec Empire sectors.
Perhaps it is your God who fears showing his face, both in this venue and in these times?
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Ronan Le'Meurtrier
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:56:00 -
[223]
9uy4-h sovereignty changed to U'K. Excellent and beautiful light show. I'd assume that the CVA rhetoric contained herein this thread and others may now be considered, what I always considered it to be, ramblings of mad men with delusions of grander, blind to their own flaws. Amarr Victor no more!
-Ronan
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Commander Kegel
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:12:00 -
[224]
As I have stated to the masses within 9uy during the seige. UK did not take 9uy, -A- took 9uy. The UK slaves were merely there to CLAIM that they were responsible. We'll see how long your people can hold the system. -A-'s got bigger things to deal with now.
C.K.
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Reprimander
Failswarm
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:23:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Commander Kegel
As I have stated to the masses within 9uy during the seige. UK did not take 9uy, -A- took 9uy. The UK slaves were merely there to CLAIM that they were responsible. We'll see how long your people can hold the system. -A-'s got bigger things to deal with now.
C.K.
I'm sure AAA are quaking in their boots at the thought of an empire-based war with Wildly Inappropriate
Seriously, unless the NC assault HED or something (and we know how that will end, I hear a few of AAA's allies like IT and ATLAS don't like the NC) a few wardecs will do absolutely nothing to prevent victory in Providence.
Try harder.
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Illiartiznaiey
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:23:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Commander Kegel
As I have stated to the masses within 9uy during the seige. UK did not take 9uy, -A- took 9uy. The UK slaves were merely there to CLAIM that they were responsible. We'll see how long your people can hold the system. -A-'s got bigger things to deal with now.
C.K.
Yeah, .-A-. got to deal with the rest of the proviblob space.
Grats Ushra'Khan for reclaiming your stolen property! More to come...
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whk deathknight
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:21:00 -
[227]
do any of you role playing nerds even have gf ?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.09 04:46:00 -
[228]
Originally by: whk deathknight
do any of you role playing nerds even have gf ?
No, only wives.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 05:54:00 -
[229]
This is lame.
UK and AAA are such goats.
they talk about slavery like drugged while being slaves by themselves.
The Manfred Sideous shouts and all stops talking after days of crying.
It makes me laugh hard time.
Not to mention CVA has NRDS policy and thats not slavery as UK policy that shoots everything that moves through provi or catch.
You guys talk jibberish and will get the same :)
you must be aware of that or you are very stupid or drugged.
Uk are small fishes of cloak and run technology that no one fears.. that knows only talk of some slavers .. while brainwashed to repeat that and dont know even meaning of that.
freedom is beyond your knowledge.
And btw this is the stupidest thread on this forum I have ever seen.
Fly high as you can AAA cause fall be greater and you know it.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.09 06:34:00 -
[230]
Originally by: space t2
This is lame.
UK and AAA are such goats.
they talk about slavery like drugged while being slaves by themselves.
The Manfred Sideous shouts and all stops talking after days of crying.
It makes me laugh hard time.
Not to mention CVA has NRDS policy and thats not slavery as UK policy that shoots everything that moves through provi or catch.
You guys talk jibberish and will get the same :)
you must be aware of that or you are very stupid or drugged.
Uk are small fishes of cloak and run technology that no one fears.. that knows only talk of some slavers .. while brainwashed to repeat that and dont know even meaning of that.
freedom is beyond your knowledge.
And btw this is the stupidest thread on this forum I have ever seen.
Fly high as you can AAA cause fall be greater and you know it.
You really know nothing about New Eden, or you are a very bad troll either way your tears are very sweet as they run across the back of my throat.
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:16:00 -
[231]
Can a moderator clean up the trolling and OOC plz?
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.09 18:28:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Lord Makk on 09/02/2010 18:28:26
Lord Makk looks into the monitor, then bangs his head into it.
"Did you learn that U'K are just a small band of cloaky people that pick on single targets?"
"Would you with that knowledge, please attempt to explain to us why our presence for a fight counted near 250 pilots?"
"I don't think you can with the level of brainwashing you have, that is."
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Roquendur Serethiel
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.10 00:05:00 -
[233]
Edited by: Roquendur Serethiel on 10/02/2010 00:06:44
Originally by: space t2
This is lame.
UK and AAA are such goats.
they talk about slavery like drugged while being slaves by themselves.
The Manfred Sideous shouts and all stops talking after days of crying.
It makes me laugh hard time.
Not to mention CVA has NRDS policy and thats not slavery as UK policy that shoots everything that moves through provi or catch.
You guys talk jibberish and will get the same :)
you must be aware of that or you are very stupid or drugged.
Uk are small fishes of cloak and run technology that no one fears.. that knows only talk of some slavers .. while brainwashed to repeat that and dont know even meaning of that.
freedom is beyond your knowledge.
And btw this is the stupidest thread on this forum I have ever seen.
Fly high as you can AAA cause fall be greater and you know it.
U still mad?
You lost without even a fight, and you're delusional. See you in Tash Murkon.
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Kazzzi
Amarr
Iniquitous Technologies
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.02.10 00:11:00 -
[234]
Originally by: space t2
This is lame.
UK and AAA are such goats.
they talk about slavery like drugged while being slaves by themselves.
The Manfred Sideous shouts and all stops talking after days of crying.
It makes me laugh hard time.
Not to mention CVA has NRDS policy and thats not slavery as UK policy that shoots everything that moves through provi or catch.
You guys talk jibberish and will get the same :)
you must be aware of that or you are very stupid or drugged.
Uk are small fishes of cloak and run technology that no one fears.. that knows only talk of some slavers .. while brainwashed to repeat that and dont know even meaning of that.
freedom is beyond your knowledge.
And btw this is the stupidest thread on this forum I have ever seen.
Fly high as you can AAA cause fall be greater and you know it.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.17 18:47:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 17/03/2010 18:49:33
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
This post stinks stinks of weakness not strength. No alliance confident of its powers and ability makes such a "gesture" as this weeks after beginning a campaign without being terrified in their hearts of the danger of fighting ahead of them. The truth is that AAA cannot defeat Providence because they lack the endurance and long term willpower to achieve this thing. The pure number of outpost attacks and system sieges ahead make the people of AAA tremble in horror and it is well known by our spies and agents that only 1-2 corporations in AAA are providing any actual leadership at the moment and driving this inevitably-failed aggressive against the righteous Amarr Empire crusaders in the CVA family.
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TLDR
AAA is too weak to take Providence.
If we are strong AAA will capitulate.
Providence must force every ratter to fight.
If we put 800 in every target system we cannot lose.
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.
I for one wish to see your alt's kill-board, as the gutters of Jita 4-4 must be running red with their blood.
Is it working out for you?
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.03.18 22:58:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Sorus Chatelain
This post stinks stinks of weakness not strength. No alliance confident of its powers and ability makes such a "gesture" as this weeks after beginning a campaign without being terrified in their hearts of the danger of fighting ahead of them. The truth is that AAA cannot defeat Providence because they lack the endurance and long term willpower to achieve this thing. The pure number of outpost attacks and system sieges ahead make the people of AAA tremble in horror and it is well known by our spies and agents that only 1-2 corporations in AAA are providing any actual leadership at the moment and driving this inevitably-failed aggressive against the righteous Amarr Empire crusaders in the CVA family.
Truth is AAA should apologize and surrender to CVA because they will never advance far into Providence, they will never hold the outposts there for long, they will not be able to sustain the enthusiasm or energy to fight the huge hours needed to achieve long term conquest and they will soon again return to their surrender-monkey ways they showed against the Goons in recent fighting.
Yes though this is a landmark moment for the CVA too. Now is the time for the residents of Providence to face up to their debt to CVA leaders and put down their mining lasers and ratting ships and take up arms for war. All should join CVA fleets and CVA friend alliances and prepare to fight for the safety and profits and neighborhood we love. We are the best region in new eden and all could be lost unless everyone fights. Not with cheap battlecruisers and rubbish fit throwaway ships but with everything each pilot has. Everyone should fight or they should leave. I think it was disgusting that while our fleet died in DG so many were asking for help ratting or talking of mining in our channels. I will not post from my main because I am harsher than most in our alliance and I think leechers should be removed from our space if they do not fight and its not a popular view so I hold my lasers (for now).
We have to put 700-800 people in EVERY system AAA want to take and they will die in the cleansing fire of dead lag and failed ships we did. We need conscription in Providence or we deserve to die ourselves.
TLDR
AAA is too weak to take Providence.
If we are strong AAA will capitulate.
Providence must force every ratter to fight.
If we put 800 in every target system we cannot lose.
I will kill cowards with my alt if they do not fight.
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