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Kristan Konraden The Hatchery Team Liquid 0	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:18:00 - [151] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Other thrid party sites do not have a legal obligation to keep their forums teen rated and suitable for 13 year olds. We do. This means that wht other forums can allow we are not able to permit. Is there a way to get around this obligation? Like making parts of the forum non-public with age verification? The average Eve player could be the daddy of your 13 year old kid....
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2546	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:19:00 - [152] - Quote Mara Tessidar wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: It's okay to call someone stupid, as long as they are stupid and you can back that statement up with a witty post, such as pointing out a nameless-yet-well-known player's prior history as a roleplaying spacehooker. Which becomes an issue when "said history" is a Goonswarm fabrication for a campaign for harrassment that has in the past completely swept beyond these forums into the realm of RL cyber-stalking and poison pen letters to employers. Let me be totally blunt to you Mara Tessidar. Your alliance mates made up the nonsense you are happily posting. As far as I know nobody in Eve has roleplayed a "spacehooker" and you continuing to peddle a clumsy lie just seems like desperate attempted bluster every time you end up losing a debate or argument on these forums. Sometimes you just need to stop and think about what you are posting rather than blindly echoing the things posted on your alliance wiki. Posting RL pictues of eve players there and accusing them of child abuse and pedophilia might well be an accepted practise on Something Awful forums but continually attempting to smear the RL reputations of eve players is not something these forums should be a party to. At this point you are the problem Mara Tessidar. And you are exactly the sort of person whose behaviour needs moderating on Eve online forums if the environment is to be improved for everyone. You have committed--would have committed, even if you had never set pen to paper, or finger to key--the essential crime that contains all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, we call it. Thoughtcrime is not a thing that can be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later we are bound to get you. And you have committed repeat attempts to smear the RL reputation of a fellow Eve player over political differences in an online game. Lets sit back and think about that for a moment. Because of internet spaceships you are hosting a RL picture of an "enemy eve player" alongside the allegation they molest children. Thats pretty much "out-there" and shows you people are taking an online game to a ridiculous degree. Goonswarm "Propaganda" The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
David Toviyah University of Caille Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:21:00 - [153] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable. GÇ£Many peopleGÇ¥? Really? Is there any evidence for this? To me it seems that it is actually just a couple of rather vocal people who keep bringing this up. Could we get a poll or something on this?

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance 1290	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:23:00 - [154] - Quote David Toviyah wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable. GÇ£Many peopleGÇ¥? Really? Is there any evidence for this? To me it seems that it is actually just a couple of rather vocal people who keep bringing this up. Could we get a poll or something on this? No. CCP do not tolerate religious, racial or sexist messaging which is used to cause discomfort to other players. That will not change, ever. CCP Navigator -Community Manager


CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance 1290	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:24:00 - [155] - Quote I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Thank you. CCP Navigator -Community Manager

Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 315	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:29:00 - [156] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Hello Graic. I totally get it. You do not like ISD and there is not much I can do to change your perception. My role is to ensure that ISD work for the vast majority of the EVE Online players. The concept of pleasing everyone is an impossibility so i am well aware that not everyone will be happy. Hello Navigator, I would not call it a dislike of the ISD as such - conceptually the idea should be fine. The implementation is the problem. It has been poor, and honestly I think this is a knock on effect of how these forums are moderated overall. No, you will not please everyone all of the time. However, the neatly crafted rules that simply provide a layer of obfuscation to people discussing what concerns them fails because the petition system is effectively broken for forum issues. Going forward i predict there will be a lot of displeased people in that "everyone". So respectfully if you think having the ISD simply locking threads, or making annoying edits will work for the vast majority of players, then more power to you. Unhappy with an ISD action? Do what you need to do forum wise - up to you. However, your alternative avenues to complain are: [email protected] \| [email protected]-á\| [email protected] It might seem pointless at the time but CCP need to at least take the time to read it - and time is money.
David Toviyah University of Caille Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:34:00 - [157] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: No. CCP do not tolerate religious, racial or sexist messaging which is used to cause discomfort to other players. That will not change, ever. But isnGÇÖt this the crux of the whole debate? A few people claim that they are offended by the use of these words even though they are not the ones addressed. If two people talk to each other and one of them says, for instance, that he himself is GÇ£jewingGÇ¥ or something of that sort (I have never seen it being used myself) then you simply cannot claim that the intent of this phrase is GÇ£to cause discomfort to other playersGÇ¥. Especially if neither of the two interlocutors take offense to it. Why should a third party that is listening in on this conversation have a say in what words these two people may or may not use? Where will this end? Mandatory trigger warnings so that victims of **** who might be playing EVE are not discomforted when they stumble upon someone mentioning GÇ£abuseGÇ¥ in Local? People have the right to be offended but they do not have the right to censor everyone elseGÇÖs speech because of that. Just my two cents.
Lord Zim 957	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:38:00 - [158] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Have any of my posts been deleted, since I'm mentioned by association?
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 361	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:39:00 - [159] - Quote Removed by user Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
David Toviyah University of Caille Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:42:00 - [160] - Quote Yes but is it really our duty not to offend other people? After all, we are not talking about a majority here but an apparently tiny group of people. ShouldnGÇÖt it be up to them to avoid what offends them or otherwise deal with it? I donGÇÖt see why our freedom should be curtailed so that a few people have their way. Since the mere mentioning of the word GÇ£jewGÇ¥ and the like seems to be an affront for them, what would stop others from asking them same for their nationality,, ethnicity and what not?
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2547	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:42:00 - [161] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: As I've told you before Jade, you're in no position to be throwing stones on this issue since the same happened to CCP Sreegs in his former job after he clashed with you on these very forums and the CSM. You're trying to have your cake and eat it: Somebody goes to your employer and tells them embarrassing stories about what you supposedly do on the internet, you yell from every rooftop that its a Goonswarm conspiracy and we as an alliance are collectively to blame. Somebody does the same to Sreegs and you throw your hands up and say 'nothing to do with me or my alliance, could have been anyone, its a big internet out there'. Of course what actually happened is that I condemed both incidents without reservation and I recently said as much in the assembly hall topic on subject. " Proposal] CSM Member Real Life Names https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=89537&p=7 I condemn without reservation attacks on a persons real life identity. In this case I'm pretty much on the money to blame Goonswarm for this action seeing as how the same posters are making the same allegations, linking the same links and hosting the same vile allegations of child abuse on the goon wiki! Here's the text from my support of Liang Nuren's proposal. "As a player who has suffered my fair share of real life harrassment from Goonswarm (and friends) ever since my real name was provided to the community as part of my successful CSM 1 run, I could certainly see the argument for going back in time and reversing this policy. In retrospect sure, the fact my real name was provided to enemies in Eve allowed some people to search for my online CV, take my pictures, find my employers past and current and begin an organized campaign of harrassment against my real identity. Sites were created specifically to portray me in the worst possible light and links were provided to my place of work along with letters perporting to be from "concerned parents" that a person like me should be playing an online game. Even today real life photograph is hosted on the goonwiki alongside the accusation I'm putting GHB into children's drinks. So yes, real life harrassment does certainly arise from the fact that CSM candidates are required to give their real names because some subscribers to this game are completely incapable of keeping their animosity to in-game only behaviour. At this point I will support your topic to remove people's real life names from the process on the provisio it goes further and makes any unauthorized link to somebody's personal detals, photographs a eula breaching offence punishable by a signifcant ban. Out of game harrassment/bullying must be completely outlawed in Eve online if this game is to repair its toxic reputation in the wider gaming community And incidently I would like to call upon the administrators of the goonwiki to remove all reference to my rl photograph and allegations of criminal activity otherwise I will again petition the GM's at CCP to take action in this case. " If this current topic is a sign that CCP is finally going to take action to outlaw this kind of behaviour from the main Eve Online forums then thats a very good development. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2547	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:44:00 - [162] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Thank you. Navigator, I'm sorry that this argument keeps coming back. But is it really off topic for a friend about the future of community moderation to talk about a recurring form of bullying and smearing that has been going on since 2008? The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 361	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:53:00 - [163] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Thank you. Navigator, I'm sorry that this argument keeps coming back. But is it really off topic for a thread about the future of community moderation to talk about a recurring form of bullying and smearing that has been going on since 2008? Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3751	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:56:00 - [164] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: You make a good point and perhaps this is something we can code into the software so that you can see your original and compare it to the edit. Truth of the matter is that they are not deleting good content from your posts and leaving bad stuff there. perhaps this would be a good time to discuss reversing the "no pointing out that a csm candidate has posted unironically neo-**** posts on the eve-o forums" policy!
Elijah Craig Trask Industries Li3 Federation 29	Posted - 2012.06.27 12:59:00 - [165] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Thank you. Thanks. About two weeks too late (many recent threads around this forum have been selfishly ruined by childish and inane one-upmanship between these two sides), but welcome here nevertheless. I, for one, welcome our new firm moderation overlords.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2547	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:00:00 - [166] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site. Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done? The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 62	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:04:00 - [167] - Quote Kristan Konraden wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: Other thrid party sites do not have a legal obligation to keep their forums teen rated and suitable for 13 year olds. We do. This means that wht other forums can allow we are not able to permit. Is there a way to get around this obligation? Like making parts of the forum non-public with age verification? The average Eve player could be the daddy of your 13 year old kid.... What he said is that things are going sony...ahem south I meant PG 13 is the magic number not 42. Fare Well Eve
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 361	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:10:00 - [168] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Frying Doom wrote: Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site. Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done? Just send the Host a demand to close the site within 24 hours and demand payment for the publishing of a picture without license to do so. Then just ask for a mere 5 cents per raw visitor to the site from the host. Failing that contact a lawyer as you have a case on royalties alone for the picture, it also falls under copyright infringement. That's just ignoring the other stuff of course. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2547	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:21:00 - [169] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: Frying Doom wrote: Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site. Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done? Just send the Host a demand to close the site within 24 hours and demand payment for the publishing of a picture without license to do so. Then just ask for a mere 5 cents per raw visitor to the site from the host for the entire time they have hosted it(the logs show exactly this). Failing that contact a lawyer as you have a case on royalties alone for the picture, it also falls under copyright infringement. That's just ignoring the other stuff of course. Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
Tony Two Bullet Monocle Madness The Mockers AO 73	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:23:00 - [170] - Quote I understand the challenges this face, but let me say a few things quickly : First and foremost the purpose of Moderation isn't to be fascist. The purpose of moderation is to promote healthy discussion. But. Funny, the situation you have created has promoted an UNHEALTHY situation. That's the irony. I have seen a COMPLETE THREAD of creative writing get totally "CUT OUT" and replaced with an ISD comment which was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY because there was not a single thing that needed "censoring". On top of it all, it seems that people are making decisions with no idea about who is doing what because our In Character thread was moved OUT from an In Character thread into a board that has our Official thread. Then. Because one moderator moved the thread, ANOTHER moderator came by and saw that there was a "duplicate" thread. EXCEPT, the two threads were completely different purpose, from completely different perspective and posted in completely different places. So now, YOU CREATED a problem which we explicitly tried to avoid. AND WE are getting "punished" for it. Yes, petitions are in, but nothing has been done in 2 days now. On top of it all, I am now very suspicious about why we're having all these difficulties and wouldn't put it past the ISD team having personal interests in the moderation of our threads. So, let's ask the BIG question. If the purpose of this is to promote a healthy discussion, then why am I not getting that sensation? Because personally, what is happening is very simple. People want to have FREEDOM. Excessive "policing" is NEVER healthy for a social community. That is called FASCISM. Let's take a moment and see what happens when excessive authority is given to a group of people without any balance and controls :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment You may want a "PERFECT" EVE forum. But it is NOT happening. Period, the end. Sorry, this is reality. The best solution you have is to give people the liberty that they have earned and deserved. In over 7 years of operation you have not had any legal issues over your forum contents maintenance of PG13 despite understaffing, growing pains, community difficulties and so on. The reality is simple. The purpose of moderation is to remind people you are there. Not to CONTROL THEM. Not to make them "perfect" citizens and make sure they "NEVER" break a law. Because, guess what? That ISN'T gonna happen. Police Officers KNOW people break the law all the time. Their purpose is to ensure that things don't get out of hand. Now, I kindly request you review the petition I have in and UNDO the mess that your ISD team created so that I can have control over our thread back. Thanks. CEO-á Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com
Killer Gandry Caldari Provisions Caldari State 544	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:23:00 - [171] - Quote Gevlin wrote: I wish there was an Ignore person on forums. And then if a person who is placed on ignore often enough become Auto ignore. If I loved reading these Auto ignore people, I could click the button, but that would be my choice. . And let me guess. You don't see how large alliances can abuse this.
Vincent VanDamme EVE University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:26:00 - [172] - Quote David Toviyah wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: No. CCP do not tolerate religious, racial or sexist messaging which is used to cause discomfort to other players. That will not change, ever. But isnGÇÖt this the crux of the whole debate? A few people claim that they are offended by the use of these words even though they are not the ones addressed. If two people talk to each other and one of them says, for instance, that he himself is GÇ£jewingGÇ¥ or something of that sort (I have never seen it being used myself) then you simply cannot claim that the intent of this phrase is GÇ£to cause discomfort to other playersGÇ¥. Especially if neither of the two interlocutors take offense to it. Why should a third party that is listening in on this conversation have a say in what words these two people may or may not use? Where will this end? Mandatory trigger warnings so that victims of rape who might be playing EVE are not discomforted when they stumble upon someone mentioning GÇ£abuseGÇ¥ in Local? People have the right to be offended but they do not have the right to censor everyone elseGÇÖs speech because of that. Just my two cents. You are seriously going to attempt to justify Anti-Semitism? If you want to talk like that, i hear some of the K K K have some forums. Pop over there.
Lord Zim 957	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:31:00 - [173] - Quote Vincent VanDamme wrote: You are seriously going to attempt to justify Anti-Semitism? You can't have anti-semitism (or anti-anything) without hostile or negative intents. Just using a word doesn't automatically imply hostile or negative intent, you have to look at context, which is something overly PC people refuse to do. And this overreaction often creates more of a problem than looking at the intent behind the words being used, instead of just the words being used (or, as is often the case, a single word).
Tony Two Bullet Monocle Madness The Mockers AO 73	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:31:00 - [174] - Quote Fascism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Quote: Fascism ( /-êf+ª-â+¬z+Öm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek elevation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics.[3][4] Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[5] Commitment to Organic National Community : The EVE Forums People United Together as One People : We are All EVE Players One people in National Identity/Suprapersonal connections : All EVE Players should treat each other nicely and fairly Totalitarian State : The EVE Forums are completely under the purview of CCP Mass mobilization of a Nation Through Discipline, etc : We will have the most awesome perfect "Nirvana" Forums ever by making sure everyone obeys are Forum Rules. Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences : The inability to have some control over how you present your material. Quote: Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Alright. If that doesn't make my point, I don't know how to get through to you. You can not have all of that. It doesn't work. Choose your battles, win your fights. I know this is not your INTENTION. But it doesn't matter what your intention is, it's the results. CEO-á Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com
Frying Doom Zat's Affiliated Traders 361	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:35:00 - [175] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada. Details for http://crackerjax.org sent via ingame mail as everyone doesn't need to know if you need more help feel free to send me an ingame mail. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Vincent VanDamme EVE University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:36:00 - [176] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Vincent VanDamme wrote: You are seriously going to attempt to justify Anti-Semitism? You can't have anti-semitism (or anti-anything) without hostile or negative intents. Just using a word doesn't automatically imply hostile or negative intent, you have to look at context, which is something overly PC people refuse to do. And this overreaction often creates more of a problem than looking at the intent behind the words being used, instead of just the words being used (or, as is often the case, a single word). And, when you see the word "Jew" being used here, do you feel the intent is to open a dialogue of the faith of Judaism, and the people who practice it? Or do you think its being used to push predjudicial stereotypes? This isn't an overreaction. Its people trying to justify why the inflammatory and horrific use of slurs is "okay, because i want it to be". Grow up.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 2547	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:38:00 - [177] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada. Details for http://crackerjax.org sent via ingame mail as everyone doesn't need to know if you need more help feel free to send me an ingame mail. Thank you, I'll get a letter in the post to those people today. Much appreciated. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for ~~FREE~~ $300,000 dollars :(-á
David Toviyah University of Caille Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:43:00 - [178] - Quote Vincent VanDamme wrote: You are seriously going to attempt to justify Anti-Semitism? If you want to talk like that, i hear some of the K K K have some forums. Pop over there. Oh boy, here we go again with the anti-Semitism card.
Crunchie Attuxors Always Another Corporate Venture 50	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:48:00 - [179] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: Hello Graic. I totally get it. You do not like ISD and there is not much I can do to change your perception. My role is to ensure that ISD work for the vast majority of the EVE Online players. The concept of pleasing everyone is an impossibility so i am well aware that not everyone will be happy. I hope you are aware not all of us who disgruntled with the ISD actions in the last few days are opposed to the ISD moderation of forum in principle, right? Because I do worry that an "us vs them" mentality develops, rather than a cooperative environment. I am disgruntled only about the serious breaches of common sense and customer service principles of a particular ISD, and of how the entire ISD moderation was introduced by CCP - a "shoot firs, ask questions later" attitude. Not with the whole idea of moderation and of ISD moderation. Those were not mistakes, in the sense a mistake is an error. It was simply punching it in and not thinking it through. I hope the take away is that while mistakes are inevitable, there are some that can be avoided or their impact mitigated by taking time to really think about things. And of course, I hope to never again see that ISD. Change its name at the very least. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA
Lord Zim 957	Posted - 2012.06.27 13:48:00 - [180] - Quote Vincent VanDamme wrote: Or do you think its being used to push predjudicial stereotypes? You seem to be the one having prejudices and forcing them on me. Vincent VanDamme wrote: This isn't an overreaction. Its people trying to justify why the inflammatory and horrific use of slurs is "okay, because i want it to be". Actually, yes, it is an overreaction. You see an inflammatory and horrific use of a slur, when there is no slur anywhere to be seen. If I call a friend a nerd, that's not automatically a slur. If I punch someone in the face in class or on the street or at work and call them a nerd, it's most likely a slur. Context matters, and unless you learn to see context, you'll always overreact and call everything a slur, which is why we no longer have stewardesses, but "cabin personell", because some woman's group got offended about how the job title was offensive to women. Why? Because it was a woman-specific title.

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