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Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:no i was mining in high security with my +4 implants in.
so i get to fight some npc pirates while i mine.
so i am not mining out starter system belts.
so i am able to anchor my cans.
so i can train up my skills fast and get isk to buy a proper pvp ship. and have money to lose trying to pvp.
if this is considered player vs player by CCP and everyone else then really, do those big battles really exist or is it just this kind of slimey one sided gank the guy with one tenth of the skills you have, with your multiple accounts, pod him so he gets skills even slower, robs him of all his value, even though he doesnt even have a gun on his ship. heh. this part is just not my taste of pvp i guess.
next youre going to say that i need a jump clone to mine in high sec without implants in?
ie stay logged out to train fastest........ how backwards is this game mechanic.
gief me training skills? what were they like, was it nice to train up and do pvp at the same time?
because right now, my only option is to train up while parked in a starter system. i took a risk and tried to mine in high security while training. silly me!
Were two or more individuals involved in a conflict? Then that would by definition, be player versus player. The fact that one of them came to a gunfight with hugs or was unaware the gunfight was even gonna happen doesn't change that. |
baltec1
1554
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:
next youre going to say that i need a jump clone to mine in high sec without implants in?
ie stay logged out to train fastest........ how backwards is this game mechanic.
gief me training skills? what were they like, was it nice to train up and do pvp at the same time?
No. I will simply say its up to you to figure out if its worth the risk. I myself have never used training implants because I expect to die often. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:
if this is considered player vs player by CCP and everyone else then really, do those big battles really exist or is it just this kind of slimey one sided gank the guy with one tenth of the skills you have, with your multiple accounts, pod him so he gets skills even slower, robs him of all his value, even though he doesnt even have a gun on his ship. heh. this part is just not my taste of pvp i guess.
Of course its pvp, its two players going up against eachother.
what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone?
i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died.
not much to it really.
it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up.
what part of player v player do you call that?
oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time?
...... like i say. stay logged out to train.
nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time?
have fun with this. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:38:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:baltec1 wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:
if this is considered player vs player by CCP and everyone else then really, do those big battles really exist or is it just this kind of slimey one sided gank the guy with one tenth of the skills you have, with your multiple accounts, pod him so he gets skills even slower, robs him of all his value, even though he doesnt even have a gun on his ship. heh. this part is just not my taste of pvp i guess.
Of course its pvp, its two players going up against eachother. what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone? i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died. not much to it really. it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up. what part of player v player do you call that? oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time? ...... like i say. stay logged out to train. nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time? have fun with this.
So you're a couple weeks nub with +4 implants. While it was an expensive lesson for you, it's a very important one. If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to use it.
And for any other nubs thinking "I'd like to PVP, is the first step to get into a mining ship?" Captain Obvious is here to tell you "Nay young pilot. Mining will not give you the necessary training to become an ~elite~ pvper. Try joining Red Vs. Blue or Faction Wars."
For the record, I don't care what people do with their time in EvE. Nobody should tell you that you have to PVP. But don't think that you can also tell anyone else that they shouldn't PVP you. Just like you don't want people telling you want to do, don't tell tell the high-sec PVPer what to do. |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:39:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:baltec1 wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:
if this is considered player vs player by CCP and everyone else then really, do those big battles really exist or is it just this kind of slimey one sided gank the guy with one tenth of the skills you have, with your multiple accounts, pod him so he gets skills even slower, robs him of all his value, even though he doesnt even have a gun on his ship. heh. this part is just not my taste of pvp i guess.
Of course its pvp, its two players going up against eachother. what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone? i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died. not much to it really. it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up. what part of player v player do you call that? oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time? ...... like i say. stay logged out to train. nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time? have fun with this.
That's not entirely true. For instance, I provide a wide number of options, the exploding part only comes when my initial suggestions are turned down. Hell, if you offer me enough, I'll even sit there and guard you instead. |
baltec1
1554
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:39:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:
what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone?
i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died.
not much to it really.
it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up.
what part of player v player do you call that?
oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time?
...... like i say. stay logged out to train.
nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time?
have fun with this.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13752532
You have zero tank on that plus a cargo expander which reduced your structure by 20% making you even easyer to kill. Then you failed to warp off your pod dispite getting three ever louder alarms and the pods abilitiy to instantly enter warp to a catalyst. You even fitting it so you were profitable to gank. This incident was of your own making and very much, a pvp encounter. |
Infernal Travesty
Magnum Research
Tus Network
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:46:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:
gief me training skills? what were they like, was it nice to train up and do pvp at the same time?
because right now, my only option is to train up while parked in a starter system. i took a risk and tried to mine in high security while training. silly me!
Learning skills. Time spent learning skills so we could learn skills faster. Basically they raised our attributes by a small amount. When CCP removed them from the game they adjusted everybody's attributes. Therefore we trained no faster than you do now.
OT: Stop complaining. You undocked. By undocking you understand that you may lose everything but the ISK in your wallet at any time. If you do not understand that, you do now. If you don't like it, that's the way it is.
I see you whining but I don't see your constructive ideas. What is it you want? Complete safety? Pfffffft.
Those are the miners that are hated. Those that want to mine with absolutely no risk. And when they do notice there is risk they complain on the forums.
Don't be that guy. Adapt or die.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:46:00 -
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the ship i dont mind losing.
i had it insured, i have lost other cruisers and ships before without any issue.
i dont mind losing my mining vessel at all.
its the fact that you would go to the extent of podding a miner too, just to grief the **** out of my training times, knowing that i cant insure my implants, and that it cost me a lot to get them.
its enough to put me off my sub, i can see it does the same to a lot of others. |
baltec1
1555
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:48:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:the ship i dont mind losing.
i had it insured, i have lost other cruisers and ships before without any issue.
i dont mind losing my mining vessel at all.
Yet here you are, whining about gankers. |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:55:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:the ship i dont mind losing.
i had it insured, i have lost other cruisers and ships before without any issue.
i dont mind losing my mining vessel at all.
its the fact that you would go to the extent of podding a miner too, just to grief the **** out of my training times, knowing that i cant insure my implants, and that it cost me a lot to get them.
its enough to put me off my sub, i can see it does the same to a lot of others.
Whoa, whoa. I've never podded someone just for the sake of it.
Usually it was to illustrate a point.
Sides, griefing doesn't make money. |
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:55:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone?
i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died.
not much to it really.
it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up.
what part of player v player do you call that?
oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time?
...... like i say. stay logged out to train.
nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time?
have fun with this.
This one time I caught a really big spider and ripped off its legs on only one side and kept it as a pet.
And this other time I found this centipede and impaled it with a needle through a piece of cartboard, which I then soaked in acetone. ^_^
Some people swat a pesky fly but I like to catch them alive, rip off their wings and feed them to other insects like spiders in my basement. Nothing quite as fun as flinging a living fly into a spider's web.
I also like to buy my fish alive because nothing beats fresh fish and watching it slowly die as I gut it cm by cm is almost as tasty as the dish.
I do miss my python however. Feeding it rats, mice and frogs was always a great way to make my day a rainbow doused chocolate cake.
Speaking of fish, you should try throwing a living fish into an ant's nest.
I like animals but pigeons not so much. One time when I worked a part time job as a student some idiot caught a pigeon and put it in a box to take home with him. He was into pigeons like, he kept them as pets. Me and another guy decided to use the boxed pigeon as a football. Many lulz were had when the box opened and the tears started flowing.
I like cats though. That is to say, I like my own cat. Not so much other people's cats. Hey, I got a riddle for you. How do you throw a cat off a balcony without touching it? You use a laser pointer, stupid.
Sometimes, I like to stop and think about the living organism's I've hurt. Sometimes, I like to think of the people I've ganked or griefed or scammed in video games. But then I just lol.
I used to have this job where I had to deal with death often. There is tragedy, and there is HTFU. Like, people who try to steal copper wire off a high voltage transfo. That guy's funeral must have been an epic lulz-fest.
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:56:00 -
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i imagine it doesnt make much money for CCP either. since i cancelled my sub right afterwards.
learning experience for me yes, but sadly, nobody else is going to learn from it. |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:59:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:i imagine it doesnt make much money for CCP either. since i cancelled my sub right afterwards.
learning experience for me yes, but sadly, nobody else is going to learn from it.
Oh no, I learned lots. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:59:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:i imagine it doesnt make much money for CCP either. since i cancelled my sub right afterwards.
learning experience for me yes, but sadly, nobody else is going to learn from it.
quality of the game > size of the revenue.
you're clearly not the target market for the game, so i doubt they'll really care. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:01:00 -
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oh and griefing newbie miner training times is quality?
thats about where i will leave this i think. enjoy your quality game! |
baltec1
1555
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:03:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:i imagine it doesnt make much money for CCP either. since i cancelled my sub right afterwards.
learning experience for me yes, but sadly, nobody else is going to learn from it.
People such as yourself have been leaving for 9 years and EVE has done nothing to grow. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:07:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:i imagine it doesnt make much money for CCP either. since i cancelled my sub right afterwards.
learning experience for me yes, but sadly, nobody else is going to learn from it.
That's the EvE spirit! When the going gets rough, the rough, quits. Well, after you whine first. Is this what happened the first time you lost at monopoly? You're going to have a rough go doing anything competitive.
At least quit for a cool reason, like:
The moderators on the forum aren't nice to my threads. They touch it in the bad place.
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Tarn Kugisa
Bugaboo and some Pew Pew
91
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:07:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Protip: You aren't making a lot of money, just more than you should be for the risk involved and the "skill" required. With gank ships being cheap, and on top of that being paid back and more, combined with the potential of high value salvage providing plenty of incentive to gank these ships, further evidenced by the number of people doing so, how do you conclude that the risk is too low for the reward? You cannot profitably gank a properly tanked Hulk. EDIT: And you can't gank a properly attentive and prepared miner at all.
Like my Rokh with enough tank to make it a loss for gankers to kill it.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:07:00 -
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people have been leaving after 1 month for 9 years?
okay fair enough.
thats probably why support didnt give a ****. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:11:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:people have been leaving after 1 month for 9 years?
okay fair enough.
thats probably why support didnt give a ****.
yes because this game is quite niche compared to other games. as i said, you're not the target market. have fun raiding dragon soul in LFR. |
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:15:00 -
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niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce peoples skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;) |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:16:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;)
i notice that you're walking like a cowboy. are you a western fan or are you just *that* butthurt about it? |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:17:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;)
I've decided you're trying really hard to troll. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:19:00 -
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your post was more entertaining than eve was. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:19:00 -
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Tobias Durandal wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;) I've decided you're trying really hard to troll.
well he has to do some thing until his game time expires. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:19:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:
its the fact that you would go to the extent of podding a miner too, just to grief the **** out of my training times, knowing that i cant insure my implants, and that it cost me a lot to get them.
its enough to put me off my sub, i can see it does the same to a lot of others.
If only you spent a fraction of the time you are spending whining right here on learning how to insta-warp with a pod...
It's extremely hard to get podded in hi and low sec, but it requires to make some practice not to go pester the forums. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:20:00 -
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Tobias Durandal wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;) I've decided you're trying really hard to troll.
definately not trolling. that is simply the truth of it. attacking miners in high sec and podding them and then calling it "niche" "quality pvp" "competition" is the troll there. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:23:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:Tobias Durandal wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;) I've decided you're trying really hard to troll. definately not trolling. that is simply the truth of it. attacking miners in high sec and podding them and then calling it "niche" "quality pvp" "competition" is the troll there.
actually, it's called "eve online". |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:23:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;)
I know what's he's trying to say:
Pods should drop implants as well. I mean, I think podding someone and taking the corpse back to a station for some one on one fun is a good enough reason, but if that's not your thing there should be other rewards.
+1 for that Reech |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:24:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:Tobias Durandal wrote:Reech Yvormes wrote:niche in that killing unarmed pods to reduce newbies skill up time is considered pvp and competition. ;) I've decided you're trying really hard to troll. definately not trolling. that is simply the truth of it. attacking miners in high sec and podding them and then calling it "niche" "quality pvp" "competition" is the troll there.
If you're not trolling, then the issue is you're missing the bigger picture. The rash of highsec destruction is not solely based in screwing up your day. It's about profits, manipulation, and power.
Honestly, quitting was probably a good call for you, cause space is cold. |
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