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Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:14:00 - [1] I am sick and tired of pilots using cloaks to escape succsessfully in non covert-op ships. It's a trick more and more people are using to escape and it's already bad enough that us pirates living in low-sec have everything working against us. This needs to be fixed ASAP!!! Everytime I turn around there is something else in this game that just totally disgusts me!!
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:21:00 - [2] Originally by: Agetec Core I am sick and tired of pilots using cloaks to escape succsessfully in non covert-op ships. It's a trick more and more people are using to escape and it's already bad enough that us pirates living in low-sec have everything working against us. This needs to be fixed ASAP!!! Everytime I turn around there is something else in this game that just totally disgusts me!! What's next, you want to complain about WCS?
LordTitan	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:26:00 - [3] na, wcs are fine use um, but i agree with this post. If it was an exploit that helped piraates there would be an uproar!! But alas it benefits the carebears in this gane so no fixing is required lol typical fairness doctrine doesnt apply in this game!
mundus123	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:27:00 - [4] Ok, so whats broken? Every ship that cant use a cov ops cloak cant warp away cloaked, they still have to align. Also they go really slow cloaked and you can always bump them out of cloak.
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:33:00 - [5] Don't get me started on WCS' as for the other comment, you obviously don't read well. I stated that there is a trick that pilots are using to exploit the cloaks capablilities allowing them to escape which means this needs to be fixed so it cannot be done otherwise just make every ship able to use covert-op cloaks.
mundus123	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:36:00 - [6] All hail the WCS! And i read the post just fine but people tend to call anythign that they dont like but is a built in mechanic as broken and needs fixed. But if they is an exploit involving cloaks alowing for an insta warp after decloaking then nuke the exploit.
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:38:00 - [7] Exactyl...nuke the exploit, thank you
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Seth Ruin on 03/02/2010 01:40:52 Originally by: Agetec Core Don't get me started on WCS' as for the other comment, you obviously don't read well. I stated that there is a trick that pilots are using to exploit the cloaks capablilities allowing them to escape which means this needs to be fixed so it cannot be done otherwise just make every ship able to use covert-op cloaks. Lock them before they cloak. Uncloack them as they align. You have plenty of opportunities to catch these people. Just because easy prey doesn't fall into your lap doesn't mean something is seriously broken. Or you could, y'know, grow some balls and go to nullsec and put up bubbles. But then you might actually find people who can fight back.
Zolarin	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:42:00 - [9] Obviously this guy is a carebear and is looking to use this glitch lol. Its done by aligning click burner on and cloak quickly and when at top speed in cloak with burner velocity they uncloak and are able to insta warp to desired gate. thus making it impossible to grab some1. during this whole process pirates or any1 cant lock if done right. because of the delay you get when you come outa cloak. wcs have counter meaning HICS, or more points this does not as it wont even allow you to lock and there is no way you can turn and micro to desired target in time unless he jumps in less then 4k from you. Therefore being an exploit , when you turn the micro on and cloak the speed should automatically cut of to top speed with cloak on NOT allow the burnur to burn until it cycles allowing it to go much faster in cloak. Theres your lesson carebear but as i said its for a pirate and not carebears so experience it before you run your mouth like you know anything ))
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:45:00 - [10] Seth, you are a complete fool. "Lock them before they cloak" Why didn'y I think of that you carebear noob! Cult of War??? pffft give me a break.

Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Agetec Core Seth, you are a complete fool. "Lock them before they cloak" Why didn'y I think of that you carebear noob! Cult of War??? pffft give me a break.
Zolarin	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:51:00 - [12] What seth meant was come to 0.0 where there isnt any challenge in catching your prey lol. I bet he hides in 50 man blobs
Reggie Stoneloader JAFA Trade and Manufacturing Cooperative	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:51:00 - [13] Gate camps are the lowest form of PvP, the functional equivalent of spawn killing. The fact that it's possible to tank sentries indefinitely and boost up targeting time to where anything bigger than a frigate that comes through the gate is as good as dead the second they uncloak means every low-sec traveler that isn't part of a PvP gang must either use an alt scout, accept the guarantee of death if anyone's bothered to camp the gate, or find a way to beat the camp using existing mechanics. I do not see a problem with this. A small cross-section of pilots are using this maneuver to sneak by camps. Lots of them don't make it, and you should be getting plenty of kills. The fact that your success rate is below 100% is not a glitch. ====================== Crusades: Security Status
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 01:57:00 - [14] Now I've heard it all!!! So are you telling me that I should go to 0.0 where there aren't any gate guns throw up some bubbles and catch everything as well??? I'm sorry but I don't understand your point... Please tell me how us having the skills to tank and gank is anything less than significant!! Liivin in 0.0 space is the lowest in my opinion simply because they hunt in packs of 150 to 200!! I'm sorry but i fail to see where the skill is present.
LordTitan	Posted - 2010.02.03 02:04:00 - [15] ate camps are the lowest form of PvP, the functional equivalent of spawn killing. The fact that it's possible to tank sentries indefinitely and boost up targeting time to where anything bigger than a frigate that comes through the gate is as good as dead the second they uncloak means every low-sec traveler that isn't part of a PvP gang must either use an alt scout, accept the guarantee of death if anyone's bothered to camp the gate, or find a way to beat the camp using existing mechanics. I do not see a problem with this. A small cross-section of pilots are using this maneuver to sneak by camps. Lots of them don't make it, and you should be getting plenty of kills. The fact that your success rate is below 100% is not a glitch. Spoken like a true carebear lol. Which brings me back to my point. If it doesnt effect the carebears its ok. lol The fact is low sec pirates have it the hardest. We have to use scouts we get gate guns we are able to be targeted freely by any1 with reprocussions. What isnt that enough for you hahaha I suppose we shouldnt beable to use t2 weapons next right cause there isnt enough stacked against our success as it is. Some day sunshine you should try the pirate life before you give your speaches. You know the fact that you think pirates can tank guns indefinately shows me you either think all pirates use passive drakes or similar or you sadly have no idea what you are talking about. having gate guns pounding on us is the equivalent to having a bc helping you or slightly less lol. There is a reason you get a warning when you come into low sec moron if you enter that means you enter at your own risk lol such a typical carebear. READ THE WARNINGS!!! USE A SCOUT OR STAY TH "F" OUT and hide with concorde and stay outa crap you have shown to know have no knowledge about
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.03 02:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Zolarin Obviously this guy is a carebear and is looking to use this glitch lol. Its done by aligning click burner on and cloak quickly and when at top speed in cloak with burner velocity they uncloak and are able to insta warp to desired gate. thus making it impossible to grab some1. this is more like an exploit imo. Should make it so the moment you cloak the ab/mwd's speed boost is removed. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Misanthra	Posted - 2010.02.03 05:18:00 - [17] You have the advantage of setting up your assets in advance...incoming has the advantage of cloak if they fit it. Its what makes it a game for both sides. Sucks when camping, great when you are the prey. Sensor boosts and targetting skills to get close to insta lock, decloak tricks like faster movers to bump decloak...got options. Your prey got smarter, nothing really to fix.
Torothanax	Posted - 2010.02.03 06:36:00 - [18] Originally by: LordTitan Spoken like a true carebear lol. Which brings me back to my point. If it doesnt effect the carebears its ok. lol The fact is low sec pirates have it the hardest. We have to use scouts we get gate guns we are able to be targeted freely by any1 with reprocussions. What isnt that enough for you hahaha I suppose we shouldnt beable to use t2 weapons next right cause there isnt enough stacked against our success as it is. Some day sunshine you should try the pirate life before you give your speaches. You know the fact that you think pirates can tank guns indefinately shows me you either think all pirates use passive drakes or similar or you sadly have no idea what you are talking about. having gate guns pounding on us is the equivalent to having a bc helping you or slightly less lol. There is a reason you get a warning when you come into low sec moron if you enter that means you enter at your own risk lol such a typical carebear. READ THE WARNINGS!!! USE A SCOUT OR STAY TH "F" OUT and hide with concorde and stay outa crap you have shown to know have no knowledge about No one makes you pirate in low sec. Maybe you should GTFO if you can't handle it. And no, I'm not a carebear. Check the militia kill board if you doubt.
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 06:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Misanthra You have the advantage of setting up your assets in advance...incoming has the advantage of cloak if they fit it. Its what makes it a game for both sides. Sucks when camping, great when you are the prey. Sensor boosts and targetting skills to get close to insta lock, decloak tricks like faster movers to bump decloak...got options. Your prey got smarter, nothing really to fix.[/quo Well it seems most of you can't read so again, there are no counters for the exploit. It's the same thing with this game all of the time where people find ways to take advantage and wrongfully use the mechanics. If these ships aren't meant to cloak and warp then they shouldn't. I understand that alot of you can't understand nor comprehend exactly what is happenening here.
Agetec Core	Posted - 2010.02.03 07:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Torothanax Originally by: LordTitan Spoken like a true carebear lol. Which brings me back to my point. If it doesnt effect the carebears its ok. lol The fact is low sec pirates have it the hardest. We have to use scouts we get gate guns we are able to be targeted freely by any1 with reprocussions. What isnt that enough for you hahaha I suppose we shouldnt beable to use t2 weapons next right cause there isnt enough stacked against our success as it is. Some day sunshine you should try the pirate life before you give your speaches. You know the fact that you think pirates can tank guns indefinately shows me you either think all pirates use passive drakes or similar or you sadly have no idea what you are talking about. having gate guns pounding on us is the equivalent to having a bc helping you or slightly less lol. There is a reason you get a warning when you come into low sec moron if you enter that means you enter at your own risk lol such a typical carebear. READ THE WARNINGS!!! USE A SCOUT OR STAY TH "F" OUT and hide with concorde and stay outa crap you have shown to know have no knowledge about No one makes you pirate in low sec. Maybe you should GTFO if you can't handle it. And no, I'm not a carebear. Check the militia kill board if you doubt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please dont make laugh! Do you double check what you write before you submit it? "No one makes you pirate in low sec." Not to bright my friend. And I believe you are in fact a carebear just from that comment. Also, we can handle it fine and you can check our killboard if you have doubts. I'm simply trying to state that there is a problem with the mechanics and I would like to see something done about it. I can also tell you've probably been ganked a few times and there is some soarness about it and this thread maybe your way of retalliation. Sorry for you really but the fact remains, the exploit must be fixed.

T'Challa Wanakanda	Posted - 2010.02.03 08:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Agetec Core I am sick and tired of pilots using cloaks to escape succsessfully in non covert-op ships. It's a trick more and more people are using to escape and it's already bad enough that us pirates living in low-sec have everything working against us. This needs to be fixed ASAP!!! Everytime I turn around there is something else in this game that just totally disgusts me!! You call yourself a pirate. You're complaining that opponents have found a strategy that allows them to escape from you. Do you believe that low sec has become too safe? That in order to insure that piracy provides risk to people just traveling through low sec in a non-covops ship that you need help from CCP? And if everyone adapts and starts using co-vops ships then will you complain about them too? If the mechanic was broken I'd say fix it. I don't think it's broken. Have you considered dropping ammo cans about 13-14km from the gate or maybe anchoring some containers? Using fast ships to chase down the ship and decloak it (An interceptor can cover a lot of space in the time it takes a ship to align with a MWD running)? If you really believe low sec has become too safe then you'll have a difficult argument. Most people I know feel low sec is in many ways more dangerous than 0.0. Bottom line: HTFU
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.02.03 08:06:00 - [22] I'm mostly a solo PvPer, I fly battleships and use this tactics to help me get thru gate camps. I like this tactic, it enables me to use a slow battleship in solo fights. Without it, I'd be forced to blob or stay out of 0.0 altogether. So, from purely selfish point of view of someone who wants to enjoy PvP - I am against modifying this tactic. Having admitted that I use it all the time, I'd still like to point out that I die pretty often. Many would even claim I suck at pvp. The fact that I die often even tho I use this tactic all the time proves it is not overpowered - it doesn't give people immunity. It enables solo PvP
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.02.03 09:12:00 - [23] Just slap a penalty similar to WCS onto the vanilla cloaks. Create exception for Black-Ops and viola; only haulers really benefit from using the trick. Don't really see any other solutions to it since it is due to the speed governing warp activation is measured on the state change when dropping cloak. If people overindulge, sour the milk!
Troubadour The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.02.03 09:17:00 - [24] Ever try learning to be a better pilot and try new things instead of getting frustrated and yelling for a change to make eve easier for you when the same thing you have been doing no longer works?
Callista Sincera Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.03 09:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Agetec Core it's already bad enough that us pirates living in low-sec have everything working against us. Pirate whine is really the best. 2010 promises to become a good year. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.03 10:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Ephemeron I'm mostly a solo PvPer, I fly battleships and use this tactics to help me get thru gate camps. I like this tactic, it enables me to use a slow battleship in solo fights. Without it, I'd be forced to blob or stay out of 0.0 altogether. So, from purely selfish point of view of someone who wants to enjoy PvP - I am against modifying this tactic. Having admitted that I use it all the time, I'd still like to point out that I die pretty often. Many would even claim I suck at pvp. The fact that I die often even tho I use this tactic all the time proves it is not overpowered - it doesn't give people immunity. It enables solo PvP It also takes quite a bit of skill to execute properly, one miscalc and you're toast. It only needs a Hic on the other side and you're toast anyway, they don't need to target to stop you warping since they are effectively mobile warp bubbles. That is, unless there have been changes to the Hic in the last year. Any lowsec pirate worth **** can pop almost anything coming through a gate. The fact that the OP keeps missing these cloakers is not due to any exploit on the cloakers part. Try that cloaking trick around Rancer and say its a guaranteed win for the cloaker, make sure you have an up to date clone first though -- My subs run out 1st April. I'll probably be lurking in the forums but won't be able to post after that. Fly Safe peeps.
steave435 Caldari Final Agony	Posted - 2010.02.03 11:49:00 - [27] Quote: Lock them before they cloak. Uncloack them as they align. You have plenty of opportunities to catch these people. Just because easy prey doesn't fall into your lap doesn't mean something is seriously broken. Lock them in the 0.1 second between them uncloaking and activating their own cloak? Find the direction we need to burn in, getting MWD on, get up to speed and travel to their last known position (which is not their current position anymore) and then lock in the 10 seconds you have from the time they cloak again until they warp out? Yeah, right. Quote: Or you could, y'know, grow some balls and go to nullsec and put up bubbles. But then you might actually find people who can fight back. Been there, done that. I prefer the smaller gangs in low sec. Are you saying 0.0 should be the only area anyone can play in, while the rest of the game should be completely empty? Quote: Therefore being an exploit , when you turn the micro on and cloak the speed should automatically cut of to top speed with cloak on NOT allow the burnur to burn until it cycles allowing it to go much faster in cloak. Quote: Should make it so the moment you cloak the ab/mwd's speed boost is removed. This is not the soloution though, the mwd+cloak trick is what makes cov ops cloaks actually useful for evading bubble camps, and cov ops ships should stand a chance of doing that, but if they can't go faster then their normal non-mwd speed even for a short time when cloaked, they'll get decloaked even by BS. Quote: The fact that it's possible to tank sentries indefinitely and boost up targeting time to where anything bigger than a frigate that comes through the gate is as good as dead the second they uncloak means every low-sec traveler that isn't part of a PvP gang must either use an alt scout, accept the guarantee of death if anyone's bothered to camp the gate Oh noes, they have to use 2 characters to avoid a camp that usually consist of far more people? Gate camps are actually pretty vulnerable, especially when camping high sec gates. Any attackers will have a big advantage since they can use any size of ships, they have a few hundred extra dps on their side, and they can use the gate to jump out, while if the pirates do that, they'll get concorded on the other side. Quote: You have the advantage of setting up your assets in advance...incoming has the advantage of cloak if they fit it. Its what makes it a game for both sides. Sucks when camping, great when you are the prey. No, we have that DISadvantage. We have to set our gang up to face anything. Incomming fleets can tailor theirs to counter ours. Quote: Sensor boosts and targetting skills to get close to insta lock, decloak tricks like faster movers to bump decloak...got options. Normally the target will already be cloaked again by the time the server has had time to tell our clients it has decloaked. Quote: Your prey got smarter, nothing really to fix. No, they decided to utilize an exploit. Quote: No one makes you pirate in low sec. Maybe you should GTFO if you can't handle it. And no, I'm not a carebear. Check the militia kill board if you doubt. I did. You have barely 200 kills. I'd say your boards prove the opposite of what you want them to. Quote: You call yourself a pirate. You're complaining that opponents have found a strategy that allows them to escape from you. No, they found an exploit, or if you want to call it a strategy, it's an OP one since it has no counters. Quote: Have you considered dropping ammo cans about 13-14km from the gate or maybe anchoring some containers? No, because dropping cans to decloak people has been declared an exploit, and I'm not going to use exploits just because some carebears do. Ran out of space, next part soon
steave435 Caldari Final Agony	Posted - 2010.02.03 12:09:00 - [28] Quote: I like this tactic, it enables me to use a slow battleship in solo fights. Without it, I'd be forced to blob or stay out of 0.0 altogether. So, from purely selfish point of view of someone who wants to enjoy PvP - I am against modifying this tactic. Or, to just use a fast ship. Try any kind of fast cruiser, due to the gateguns there will not be many ships that can keep up with any fit, especially not with the armour tank that most camps use. BS are not supposed to be able to travel around solo and be able to evade any camp without issues. Quote: Having admitted that I use it all the time, I'd still like to point out that I die pretty often. Many would even claim I suck at pvp. The fact that I die often even tho I use this tactic all the time proves it is not overpowered - it doesn't give people immunity. If this trick is executed properly, it does provide immunity. If you die when using it, it is indeed because you suck. Quote: Ever try learning to be a better pilot and try new things instead of getting frustrated and yelling for a change to make eve easier for you when the same thing you have been doing no longer works? Sure. However, when you only have about 5 seconds to decloak them, there's nothing you can do. Even assuming you have a 4km/s or so ceptor on the gate with you, by the time he gets to start trying to lock, 1-2 seconds have already passed for the target since he decloaked, then the inty need to realize that the target is using the trick (1-2 seconds again) and start spinning the camera to find the best vector to burn in. Even assuming he was on the right side of the gate and that it was a very small one so that the max distance he needs to burn is 12km (many gates are huge now, and if you have to move around the gate before starting to burn, that adds time to) it will take 3-4 seconds since he need to get up to speed aswell. Even if you at that point manage to decloak, you need to spend an another second locking (the inty can't do it, it would get insta popped by gate guns) and then it takes a short time from when you get a lock until your point actually activate. Now, let's add up the time needed, assuming the perfect scenario where you don't have to burn around a gate: 1-2 seconds to get a chance to lock 1-2 seconds to realize it's trying to use this exploit x seconds to find the best vector 3-4 seconds to use the best vector to burn out to the target 1 second to lock 1 second to activate point Total: 7-10seconds, leaving only 0-3 seconds for step 3 to find that vector to burn in, and that's in a perfect situation for the campers. You can add allot of time to that if the inty need to move around the gate. Quote: It also takes quite a bit of skill to execute properly, one miscalc and you're toast. It only needs a Hic on the other side and you're toast anyway, they don't need to target to stop you warping since they are effectively mobile warp bubbles. That is, unless there have been changes to the Hic in the last year. HICs can only do that in 0.0, in low sec they DO need a lock... Quote: Try that cloaking trick around Rancer and say its a guaranteed win for the cloaker, make sure you have an up to date clone first though Sure, np. Frigs can be smartbombed on the out gate yes, but they can simply bounce of a celestial/bookmark and come in at an unexpected angle, and anything large enough to need this trick generally can take some smartbombs.
eliminator2 Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.03 13:12:00 - [29] haulers with cloaks is gay specialy ones like porators :p ----------------------------------------------- I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion. I kill miners and mission runners people say, I call them target pra
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.02.03 14:35:00 - [30] Pretty easy to fix... Just make it so that non covert ops cloaks cannot be activated if other modules are activated. Seems pretty obvious. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).



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