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Jed Whitten	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Judicator Edited by: Judicator on 30/11/2004 11:37:24 I'd be interested in hearing form mission runners that succesfully armor tank a raven. Ofc I am talking about level IV agents. I'd probably try something like 6xSiege, 2x Something 6x Eutetic/Cap 2 1x Large, best you can get, 1x medium, 3x hardner depending on rat. Might be able to do 1x large, 2x medium 2 and stick with 2 hardners. Yeah, that's what I use for LVL4 and general NPC'ing as well. Med slots full of cap recharger IIs, lows have 1 large acco, medium T2 armor rep and three NPC specific hardeners - preferably named. This sacrifices some offensive punch, which I compensate a bit with torpedo lvl5 and cruise lvl5. With top notch energy related and mechanic skills I can run the armor tank on full auto for ages without ever worrying about draining my cap fully. However, the full loadout with cap recharger IIs combined with the large acco costs as much as the "naked" Raven off the market. So should this setup pop, then it'll make a bit of a dent into the pocket. It sure is not invulnerable, but with a bit of wits it'll bring you into and out of troubles with nuff armor and cap left to carry on. Just make sure to get the NPC tacklers first of all.
Jed Whitten	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Judicator Edited by: Judicator on 30/11/2004 11:37:24 I'd be interested in hearing form mission runners that succesfully armor tank a raven. Ofc I am talking about level IV agents. I'd probably try something like 6xSiege, 2x Something 6x Eutetic/Cap 2 1x Large, best you can get, 1x medium, 3x hardner depending on rat. Might be able to do 1x large, 2x medium 2 and stick with 2 hardners. Yeah, that's what I use for LVL4 and general NPC'ing as well. Med slots full of cap recharger IIs, lows have 1 large acco, medium T2 armor rep and three NPC specific hardeners - preferably named. This sacrifices some offensive punch, which I compensate a bit with torpedo lvl5 and cruise lvl5. With top notch energy related and mechanic skills I can run the armor tank on full auto for ages without ever worrying about draining my cap fully. However, the full loadout with cap recharger IIs combined with the large acco costs as much as the "naked" Raven off the market. So should this setup pop, then it'll make a bit of a dent into the pocket. It sure is not invulnerable, but with a bit of wits it'll bring you into and out of troubles with nuff armor and cap left to carry on. Just make sure to get the NPC tacklers first of all.
johnmax	Posted - 2004.12.12 02:12:00 - [63] My Setup: Hi 6x Arbalest Siege Launcher 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas xLarge Shield Booster 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 1x PDU 2 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System Althrough this setup is expensive, this is the best defensive Raven in-game. With the 2 Heavy Nosf turned on, the Cap can last 20 minutes with the XL SB & hardeners turn on.......
johnmax	Posted - 2004.12.12 02:12:00 - [64] My Setup: Hi 6x Arbalest Siege Launcher 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas xLarge Shield Booster 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 1x PDU 2 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System Althrough this setup is expensive, this is the best defensive Raven in-game. With the 2 Heavy Nosf turned on, the Cap can last 20 minutes with the XL SB & hardeners turn on.......
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:25:00 - [65] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 07:48:16 what if the fight was raven VS raven or scrop, none of you guys would ever think of say droping the nos for two assault lunchers with defenders at lvl5. like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders xlc5 1 em + thermal hardner 2 t2 caps and 5 t2 pdu's or 2 t2 pdu's and 3 bullistiks for low slots? this is a defender setup now.. would this be a good setup? i mean guys are the defanders so bad you wouldnt think of using them in a fight?
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:25:00 - [66] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 07:48:16 what if the fight was raven VS raven or scrop, none of you guys would ever think of say droping the nos for two assault lunchers with defenders at lvl5. like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders xlc5 1 em + thermal hardner 2 t2 caps and 5 t2 pdu's or 2 t2 pdu's and 3 bullistiks for low slots? this is a defender setup now.. would this be a good setup? i mean guys are the defanders so bad you wouldnt think of using them in a fight?
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:45:00 - [67] Originally by: johnmax Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 1x PDU 2 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System Althrough this setup is expensive, this is the best defensive Raven in-game. I can see why. It's got an extra lowslot, that pwns. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:45:00 - [68] Originally by: johnmax Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 1x PDU 2 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System Althrough this setup is expensive, this is the best defensive Raven in-game. I can see why. It's got an extra lowslot, that pwns. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:53:00 - [69] Originally by: DownTwisTeD like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders 8 launcher hardpoints?
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.12 07:53:00 - [70] Originally by: DownTwisTeD like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders 8 launcher hardpoints?
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:00:00 - [71] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 08:05:52 Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: DownTwisTeD like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders 8 launcher hardpoints? err.. i f-ed up there on what i ment too say sorry.. i ment 4 sige 2 nos and two assault lunchers with defenders at lvl4 or 5. or drop one nos and 5 seige 1 assault and one nos damit..
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:00:00 - [72] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 08:05:52 Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: DownTwisTeD like say a setup like 6 seige 2 assault with defenders 8 launcher hardpoints? err.. i f-ed up there on what i ment too say sorry.. i ment 4 sige 2 nos and two assault lunchers with defenders at lvl4 or 5. or drop one nos and 5 seige 1 assault and one nos damit..
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:04:00 - [73] With 4 sieges you would only have 2/3 of the damage output, not a good idea.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:04:00 - [74] With 4 sieges you would only have 2/3 of the damage output, not a good idea.
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:18:00 - [75] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 09:00:34 With 4 sieges you would only have 2/3 of the damage output, not a good idea. yea, but wouldnt i take out alot of his incomming missiles aswell, so it would balance out wouldnt it. damage wise i mean.. or even this setup.. now this is a raven vs raven im asking about here. 6x Siege 2x Sensor Booster II 4x Sensor Dampner 5x Ballistic controls hows that setup? you gys have talked alot about tanking setups and that just great, i love it all. but what about good jamming setups? whats you thinking on it for ravens since we got alot of good raven pilots in one place. im gona pump yeas for ever drop of info i can get. or even good gate camping setups even in a raven.
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:18:00 - [76] Edited by: DownTwisTeD on 12/12/2004 09:00:34 With 4 sieges you would only have 2/3 of the damage output, not a good idea. yea, but wouldnt i take out alot of his incomming missiles aswell, so it would balance out wouldnt it. damage wise i mean.. or even this setup.. now this is a raven vs raven im asking about here. 6x Siege 2x Sensor Booster II 4x Sensor Dampner 5x Ballistic controls hows that setup? you gys have talked alot about tanking setups and that just great, i love it all. but what about good jamming setups? whats you thinking on it for ravens since we got alot of good raven pilots in one place. im gona pump yeas for ever drop of info i can get. or even good gate camping setups even in a raven.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:32:00 - [77] Originally by: DownTwisTeD yea, but wouldnt i take out alot of his incomming missiles aswell, so it would balance out wouldnt it. damage wise i mean.. or even this setup.. now this is a raven vs raven im asking about here. 6x Siege 2x Sensor Booster II 4x Sensor Dampner 5x Ballistic controls hows that setup? you gys have talked alot about tanking setups and that just great, i love it all. but what about good jamming setups? whats you thinking on it for ravens since we got alot of good raven pilots in one place. im gona pump yeas for ever drop of info i can get. or even good gate camping setups even in a raven. That setup is stupidly overpowered on a raven. It will crush anything 1v1 unless you start within 10k of it. Then you'll probably still crush it by virtue of 900 dmg torps. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:32:00 - [78] Originally by: DownTwisTeD yea, but wouldnt i take out alot of his incomming missiles aswell, so it would balance out wouldnt it. damage wise i mean.. or even this setup.. now this is a raven vs raven im asking about here. 6x Siege 2x Sensor Booster II 4x Sensor Dampner 5x Ballistic controls hows that setup? you gys have talked alot about tanking setups and that just great, i love it all. but what about good jamming setups? whats you thinking on it for ravens since we got alot of good raven pilots in one place. im gona pump yeas for ever drop of info i can get. or even good gate camping setups even in a raven. That setup is stupidly overpowered on a raven. It will crush anything 1v1 unless you start within 10k of it. Then you'll probably still crush it by virtue of 900 dmg torps. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:40:00 - [79] Even 2 Raptors could kill it easily.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:40:00 - [80] Even 2 Raptors could kill it easily.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:42:00 - [81] 900ish damage Torps are only possible on an Apoc with 7 ballistic control units btw.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 10:42:00 - [82] 900ish damage Torps are only possible on an Apoc with 7 ballistic control units btw.
Leorio	Posted - 2004.12.12 16:22:00 - [83] I use this setup: Hi 5x Arbalest Siege 1x Kaikka's Modified Siege 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas XL SB 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System
Leorio	Posted - 2004.12.12 16:22:00 - [84] I use this setup: Hi 5x Arbalest Siege 1x Kaikka's Modified Siege 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas XL SB 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System
costu dude	Posted - 2004.12.12 18:23:00 - [85] Why do I thnk you can not attach more than one Ballistic control system to your ship with out being penalised as per the game info on the item...yet many of the setup listed say to use up to 6 of these .... this does not make sense. can some one fill me in please? im confused. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is wi
costu dude	Posted - 2004.12.12 18:23:00 - [86] Why do I thnk you can not attach more than one Ballistic control system to your ship with out being penalised as per the game info on the item...yet many of the setup listed say to use up to 6 of these .... this does not make sense. can some one fill me in please? im confused. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is wi
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.12.12 18:40:00 - [87] The penalty is not a penalty, just the bonus gets less. Im not sure on the exact formula though, but for example: The first Ballistic mod adds 7% damage. The second then only adds 5%. (For example) So it justs makes them less effective, not an actually penalty. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.12.12 18:40:00 - [88] The penalty is not a penalty, just the bonus gets less. Im not sure on the exact formula though, but for example: The first Ballistic mod adds 7% damage. The second then only adds 5%. (For example) So it justs makes them less effective, not an actually penalty. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 20:34:00 - [89] Originally by: Leorio I use this setup: Hi 5x Arbalest Siege 1x Kaikka's Modified Siege 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas XL SB 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System
DownTwisTeD	Posted - 2004.12.12 20:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Leorio I use this setup: Hi 5x Arbalest Siege 1x Kaikka's Modified Siege 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf Med 1x Dread Guristas XL SB 1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener 1x DG Heat Hardener 1x Vizan's Modified Cap 1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp 1x Chelm's Modified Cap Lo 1x Cormack's Modified PDU 2x True Sansha PDU 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System

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