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DownTwisTeD
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Posted - 2004.12.12 20:39:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Leorio
I use this setup:
Hi
5x Arbalest Siege
1x Kaikka's Modified Siege
2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf
Med
1x Dread Guristas XL SB
1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener
1x DG Heat Hardener
1x Vizan's Modified Cap
1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp
1x Chelm's Modified Cap
Lo
1x Cormack's Modified PDU
2x True Sansha PDU
2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System
lol, you would use a setup like that in combat?
it gota cost 500mil just for that stuff.
let alone you jump through a gate and get gang ganked buy pirates.
nice setup but the cost vs victory or loss is too much risk. some people got more money then god in this game.
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DownTwisTeD
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Posted - 2004.12.12 20:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Leorio
I use this setup:
Hi
5x Arbalest Siege
1x Kaikka's Modified Siege
2x True Sansha Heavy Nosf
Med
1x Dread Guristas XL SB
1x Estamel's Modified EM Hardener
1x DG Heat Hardener
1x Vizan's Modified Cap
1x Dread Guristas Shield Amp
1x Chelm's Modified Cap
Lo
1x Cormack's Modified PDU
2x True Sansha PDU
2x Dread Guristas Ballistic System
lol, you would use a setup like that in combat?
it gota cost 500mil just for that stuff.
let alone you jump through a gate and get gang ganked buy pirates.
nice setup but the cost vs victory or loss is too much risk. some people got more money then god in this game.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.12.12 20:54:00 -
[93]
Originally by: DownTwisTeD
some people got more money then god in this game.
Does He play Eve or were you referring to TomB?
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.12.12 20:54:00 -
[94]
Originally by: DownTwisTeD
some people got more money then god in this game.
Does He play Eve or were you referring to TomB?
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.12 22:30:00 -
[95]
Originally by: JoCool
900ish damage Torps are only possible on an Apoc with 7 ballistic control units btw.
With torpedo 5 and caldari battleship 5, torps have ~900 damage with 5 ballistic control 5s. Little less, i think its closer to 890.
Lvl 4 skills give ~820 damage torps.
Originally by: JoCool
Even 2 Raptors could kill it easily.
Heh, try it. Unless frigate swarm it with ECM (which will kill anything, and a raven will take down a whole ton of you), it can force you into medium nos range with dampners and then kill you with drones, nos, and intercepting cruise missiles.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.12 22:30:00 -
[96]
Originally by: JoCool
900ish damage Torps are only possible on an Apoc with 7 ballistic control units btw.
With torpedo 5 and caldari battleship 5, torps have ~900 damage with 5 ballistic control 5s. Little less, i think its closer to 890.
Lvl 4 skills give ~820 damage torps.
Originally by: JoCool
Even 2 Raptors could kill it easily.
Heh, try it. Unless frigate swarm it with ECM (which will kill anything, and a raven will take down a whole ton of you), it can force you into medium nos range with dampners and then kill you with drones, nos, and intercepting cruise missiles.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.13 00:43:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Judicator
I'd be interested in hearing form mission runners that succesfully armor tank a raven. Ofc I am talking about level IV agents.
I'd probably try something like 6xSiege, 2x Something
6x Eutetic/Cap 2
1x Large, best you can get, 1x medium, 3x hardner depending on rat.
Might be able to do 1x large, 2x medium 2 and stick with 2 hardners.
Not enough grid iirc.
I have tried:
2 x Medium Guns (720 Howies or 250 Rails or whatever), 2 x Cruise, 4 x Siege
5 x Cap Recharger II, Sensor Booster II (five is enough to run the reps more or less forever)
One Large, one Medium tech 2 rep, three hardeners.
Nice solid tank, and missiles will allow you to kill the warp scrambling frigs fast, so you can always warp out if the rats start outdamaging the tanking.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.13 00:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Judicator
I'd be interested in hearing form mission runners that succesfully armor tank a raven. Ofc I am talking about level IV agents.
I'd probably try something like 6xSiege, 2x Something
6x Eutetic/Cap 2
1x Large, best you can get, 1x medium, 3x hardner depending on rat.
Might be able to do 1x large, 2x medium 2 and stick with 2 hardners.
Not enough grid iirc.
I have tried:
2 x Medium Guns (720 Howies or 250 Rails or whatever), 2 x Cruise, 4 x Siege
5 x Cap Recharger II, Sensor Booster II (five is enough to run the reps more or less forever)
One Large, one Medium tech 2 rep, three hardeners.
Nice solid tank, and missiles will allow you to kill the warp scrambling frigs fast, so you can always warp out if the rats start outdamaging the tanking.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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DownTwisTeD
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Posted - 2004.12.13 02:36:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: DownTwisTeD
some people got more money then god in this game.
Does He play Eve or were you referring to TomB?
i have never realy seen most of that stuff for sale in eve. a few things i have i guess. i have no idea how much that would cost. i know what the lunchers would cost at around 150mil alone. 
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DownTwisTeD
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Posted - 2004.12.13 02:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: DownTwisTeD
some people got more money then god in this game.
Does He play Eve or were you referring to TomB?
i have never realy seen most of that stuff for sale in eve. a few things i have i guess. i have no idea how much that would cost. i know what the lunchers would cost at around 150mil alone.
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Matrix Aran
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Posted - 2004.12.13 03:17:00 -
[101]
Great post, definately should get a sticky.
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Matrix Aran
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Posted - 2004.12.13 03:17:00 -
[102]
Great post, definately should get a sticky.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.12.13 18:08:00 -
[103]
??? Why Siege Launchers of Cruise ? Torps are slower to reach target...but do more damage... Cruiser reach target faster ...but you can pump out more.. Correct me if am wrong.... I just about to get myself in a Raven...and find this thread very intresting.... But, I was going to go ... ALL Cruise....now I don't know...
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.12.13 18:08:00 -
[104]
??? Why Siege Launchers of Cruise ? Torps are slower to reach target...but do more damage... Cruiser reach target faster ...but you can pump out more.. Correct me if am wrong.... I just about to get myself in a Raven...and find this thread very intresting.... But, I was going to go ... ALL Cruise....now I don't know...
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Arkanh
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Posted - 2004.12.13 18:20:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Arkanh on 13/12/2004 18:23:45
Cruise missles may go faster than torps, but they have the same rate of fire out of the launcher, so you'll do more damage with torps overall.
edit: also cruise launchers have a slower ROF than seige launchers.
Right now I'm debating on Raven vs Apoc for guristas npcs ( kinetic missles and railguns )
Raven Pros:
Kinetic does most dmg to rats
shield tanking is better vs kinetic
easy to kill npc frigs/inty with
Cons:
Ammo cost (although its really not that much now)
Cant use smartbomb without destroying your own missles
Apoc Pros:
More cap than Raven
Doesnt use ammo
can use smartbombs
Cons:
thermal/em damage is bad vs guristas
slower killing speed
harder to deal with npc frigs
The npc raven setup I was thinking of:
6x seige, 2x 720mm howitzer
1x xl sb, 1x amp, 1 kin 1 therm hard, 2 named cap recharges
2x bcu,. 3x pdu 2
I havent tested this in npc and I'm worried that It might not be able to tank the larger 2x 1mil spawns, and the cap recharge looks a bit iffy. But the damage output looks very good.
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Arkanh
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Posted - 2004.12.13 18:20:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Arkanh on 13/12/2004 18:23:45
Cruise missles may go faster than torps, but they have the same rate of fire out of the launcher, so you'll do more damage with torps overall.
edit: also cruise launchers have a slower ROF than seige launchers.
Right now I'm debating on Raven vs Apoc for guristas npcs ( kinetic missles and railguns )
Raven Pros:
Kinetic does most dmg to rats
shield tanking is better vs kinetic
easy to kill npc frigs/inty with
Cons:
Ammo cost (although its really not that much now)
Cant use smartbomb without destroying your own missles
Apoc Pros:
More cap than Raven
Doesnt use ammo
can use smartbombs
Cons:
thermal/em damage is bad vs guristas
slower killing speed
harder to deal with npc frigs
The npc raven setup I was thinking of:
6x seige, 2x 720mm howitzer
1x xl sb, 1x amp, 1 kin 1 therm hard, 2 named cap recharges
2x bcu,. 3x pdu 2
I havent tested this in npc and I'm worried that It might not be able to tank the larger 2x 1mil spawns, and the cap recharge looks a bit iffy. But the damage output looks very good.
MAXSuicide > its not about truth on forums
MAXSuicide > its about pies |
Kelhund
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Posted - 2004.12.14 04:45:00 -
[107]
Great setups guys, made me realise I need FAR more skills and isk than I currently have....but that shall change with enough time. Definately deserves a sticky, and all of this logical conversation with no flaming was wonderful too. Only one question. What about mixed (4/4) launcher and guns (rails, blasters, w/e) for when missles finally get knocked around by the nerf bat? I think we should start working on that....cause it WILL happen as soon as enough of the podded complain about cruise missles going faster than a frig with a MWD come next patch...
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Kelhund
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Posted - 2004.12.14 04:45:00 -
[108]
Great setups guys, made me realise I need FAR more skills and isk than I currently have....but that shall change with enough time. Definately deserves a sticky, and all of this logical conversation with no flaming was wonderful too. Only one question. What about mixed (4/4) launcher and guns (rails, blasters, w/e) for when missles finally get knocked around by the nerf bat? I think we should start working on that....cause it WILL happen as soon as enough of the podded complain about cruise missles going faster than a frig with a MWD come next patch...
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2004.12.14 09:58:00 -
[109]
BUMP!
Sticky this already...
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2004.12.14 09:58:00 -
[110]
BUMP!
Sticky this already...
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SurVie
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:00:00 -
[111]
Edited by: SurVie on 14/12/2004 10:03:17
yep sticky this one and make thread for all bs just like this, that will cut down on new topics for those of us who take a moment and check topic before stating a question :)
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SurVie
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:00:00 -
[112]
Edited by: SurVie on 14/12/2004 10:03:17
yep sticky this one and make thread for all bs just like this, that will cut down on new topics for those of us who take a moment and check topic before stating a question :)
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.14 22:41:00 -
[113]
OKay we have covered most raven setups. But what about ammo? What types and quantity of torps and cruise is recommended for pvp, pve etc
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.14 22:41:00 -
[114]
OKay we have covered most raven setups. But what about ammo? What types and quantity of torps and cruise is recommended for pvp, pve etc
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Kelhund
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:50:00 -
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Ehhhh when ratting in 0.0 I normally go for an equal EM/kinetic loadout (cruise missles), but that means I also bug out the moment a PVP guy gets there....or I"m toast. I would think many others would do the same except if trolling for PVP may get a little more original
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Kelhund
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:50:00 -
[116]
Ehhhh when ratting in 0.0 I normally go for an equal EM/kinetic loadout (cruise missles), but that means I also bug out the moment a PVP guy gets there....or I"m toast. I would think many others would do the same except if trolling for PVP may get a little more original
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.12.15 23:06:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Jim Steele on 15/12/2004 23:06:45
Originally by: theRaptor
OKay we have covered most raven setups. But what about ammo? What types and quantity of torps and cruise is recommended for pvp, pve etc
id say 180 fof em cruise missiles just so if a scorp tried some he'd most likely run when he sees your missiles firing (oops shouldnt have said that), then a micture of torps these are the big hitters, and perhaps a few more cruise for intys.
Oh and dont forget drones, they can be lifesavers.
Death to the Galante |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.12.15 23:06:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Jim Steele on 15/12/2004 23:06:45
Originally by: theRaptor
OKay we have covered most raven setups. But what about ammo? What types and quantity of torps and cruise is recommended for pvp, pve etc
id say 180 fof em cruise missiles just so if a scorp tried some he'd most likely run when he sees your missiles firing (oops shouldnt have said that), then a micture of torps these are the big hitters, and perhaps a few more cruise for intys.
Oh and dont forget drones, they can be lifesavers.
Death to the Galante |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 23:53:00 -
[119]
i saw a few corrections which need to be added:
-Torpedos cost merely 400-500 isk now.
-Xl clarity wards are the requirement lowest items not c5ls
-you can fit a decent raven with Rcu 1's / cpu 2's
-Engineering 5 / Electronics 5 and Weaponupgrades 5 are only usefull if you want sieges and heavy nos. med energy neutralizers t2 do the same trick just at 12.5km (instead of 21 on the nos)
-No ship in eve can fit a full set of damage mods / the highest requirement L guns and tankstuff in the midslots just with skills. A raven with cm launchers btw could.
-As a support pilot you can no longer dodge missles just with 1 mwd as their flightpathpattern were altered and the hvy nos you named in your own post own any support (no cap no mwd)
otherwise a good post about the capabilities of the raven.
Instead of empty slots try to squeeze in medium nos or capdrainers to get rid of frigs and cruisers. They are deffinately worth it.
A Warpdisruptor should be standard in every setup tho.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 23:53:00 -
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i saw a few corrections which need to be added:
-Torpedos cost merely 400-500 isk now.
-Xl clarity wards are the requirement lowest items not c5ls
-you can fit a decent raven with Rcu 1's / cpu 2's
-Engineering 5 / Electronics 5 and Weaponupgrades 5 are only usefull if you want sieges and heavy nos. med energy neutralizers t2 do the same trick just at 12.5km (instead of 21 on the nos)
-No ship in eve can fit a full set of damage mods / the highest requirement L guns and tankstuff in the midslots just with skills. A raven with cm launchers btw could.
-As a support pilot you can no longer dodge missles just with 1 mwd as their flightpathpattern were altered and the hvy nos you named in your own post own any support (no cap no mwd)
otherwise a good post about the capabilities of the raven.
Instead of empty slots try to squeeze in medium nos or capdrainers to get rid of frigs and cruisers. They are deffinately worth it.
A Warpdisruptor should be standard in every setup tho.
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