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Black January
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Posted - 2005.07.04 17:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Moominer
Am I missing something or is that 13 midslots?
I could be wrong, but I believe he was being sarcastic 
At any rate, I'm working on a version 2.0 of this guide for after the patch. Likely, it will be mostly theoretical, but I'll do my best to wrap my odd little mind around all the imlications for the new system. TBH, the main thrust of these changes seems to be breaking our one-ship-fits-all setups and I'm guessing we'll begin to see ALOT of new variants for the Raven.
At any rate, when I finish I will make a new thread and fill you all in with everything I can come up with.
Who knows? Maybe we can armor tank now that we have lower fitting costs with cruise launchers. 
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Noemie
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Posted - 2005.07.08 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Black January
Who knows? Maybe we can armor tank now that we have lower fitting costs with cruise launchers.
Could be interesting to armor Tank and put 2xTarget Painter/2x Sensor Boost for a Sniper Cruise Missile Launcher. I read somewhere you're cruise now make 200km in 30 sec or something like that...
I just re-activated my account and im really noobified by all the new stuff...
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.07.08 06:02:00 -
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I have had great success with the following set up for NPCing and Agent Running:
3 siege, 3 cruise, and 2 425's
shield amp, shield booster(XL-C5L), 3 faction specific hardners and a target painter(YES IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 50 Damage Points!!!)
4 PDU II's and a named BCU!
With the new shield comp skill I can tank better. As for dealing with frigs....Make sure to add light drones in your drone bay....each type of drone is damage type specific so what ever it is your fighting IE...Guristas, mercs or angels....use the damage type accordingly.
How I deal with the frigs is I throw EVERYTHING AT THEM 1 at a time. including my 425's!!! and I do it at long range. I found that with Assult launchers mounted that I couldn't take them down as fast.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.07.08 07:56:00 -
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6 x Cruise 2 x dual 150 rails
1 x Targer Painter 5 x named cap rechargers
2 x Large armour repairer 3 x hardners (You can run both armour repairers permantly)
"The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |
Jozzer
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Posted - 2005.07.08 09:03:00 -
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Mr.black january thx. very much for the energy u've put into explaining us the power of the Ravenheaven.
I'm afraid u'r clear non mathematical aproach (what a bless)of this bs was in fact too good. Too many pple understood what u can do with it...so they nerfed it :(.
Personally i think that this whole nerf-business will make this game end up in obscurity ...but hey thats just me.
I will eat the lemons :).
I'm looking forward to ur updated version of the ideal Raven setup. I'm already worrying of the implications this can have for the nxt nerf of the Raven :(.....but pls do.
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Twisted One
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:00:00 -
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Think I may be in the minority but based my current experience Im seeing the Raven changes as a bonus as opposed to a nerf  especially if you like to 0.0 rat hunt or PvP. If you are more of a lvl4  then I cannot really comment as I havn't done lvl4 missions since the patch.
I have most of the new missile skills trained to lvl3, heres my tweaked setup for 0.0 Rat Hunting. This setup has tanked and destroyed Blood Commander sized spawns with little effort (1x4.5mil, 2x1mil, 4inties)
Highs -
2x Siege, 4xCruise (Damage specific to the rat type)
2x Med Pulse (Prefer this over my techII railguns as they track well and rarely miss inties)
Mediums -
100MW AF (for loot), rest cap rechargers
Lows-
1x TechII Armour Repper, 3 hardners (rat specific), 1x BCS
6x Heavy Drones (rat specific)
I actually prefer the above setup over my pre patch setup. Damage over time is greatly increased and rat friggies get torn apart pretty quick by the drones and med pulses.
For PvP fleet combat I prefer to switch to all cruise missile with 2 heavy nossies, shield tank and scrambler in mids with BCS in the low. PvP frigs are dead once nossed.
Adequate tank, high damage setup that will tear enemies apart...even at range\0/
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Black January
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Posted - 2005.07.11 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Black January on 11/07/2005 18:12:40
Originally by: Jozzer
I'm looking forward to ur updated version of the ideal Raven setup. I'm already worrying of the implications this can have for the nxt nerf of the Raven :(.....but pls do.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=198086&page=1#1
Give it a bump :P
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Jezala
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jezala on 11/07/2005 19:26:38
Armored Tanked Raven for EM-Therm NPC Rats
This is my current setup, some of mods can be replaced with their tech 2 variants but I'm limited by my skills.
Hi:
5 - Siege Launchers I (EM torps)
1 - Assualt Launcher (Arb, EM missile)
2 - Med Lasers (Beam or Pulse)
Med:
3 - Cap Recharges (F-10b, ~17.5% each)
2 - ECM, White Noise II
1 - Free Slot (ECM, Cap Recharger, Web, Target Painter, Signal Booster, or small/med Shield Booster)
Low:
1 - Thermal Hardener
1 - EM Hardener
1 - Med Armor Repair (Inefficient)
1 - Large Armor Repair (Inefficient)
1 - Capacitor Power Relay I (20% cap, -10% shield boost)
Drones:
Med Drones (EM + Therm)
Pre-patch, this setup was designed to take on 0.0 complexes where multiple engagements with BS rats was necessary.
Post patch, this setup has no problems taking on belt rats with BS and frigs/cruisers in the mix. The med armor rep and both hardeners can be left on indefinitely. The large armor rep is used as needed, expect to get anywhere from 15-20 continuous cycles. The ECM jammers are critical in that they provide a necessary amount of tactical flexibility allowing you to pick and choose which targets you want to tank and if necessary to jam the warp scrambling frigates, allowing you to retreat safely.
I've yet to try this out(maybe later tonight), but in theory this setup allows you to engage up to 4 BS simutaneously, tanking 2 of them while jamming the other 2.
As you can see, upgrading the armor reps to tech 2 will make life much better and I would expect to be able to take on 4 BS with ease.
*edited for missile types
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Hugo Kaviene
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 12/07/2005 05:10:50
Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 12/07/2005 05:10:15
High
6 cruise missile launchers
2 Small guns (one that you have the highest skills)
Med
1 XL shield booster
1 Shield Hardener
1 Stasis Webifier
3 Cap Rechargers
Low
All Ballistic Controls
This deals enough damage to small targets and big targets alike. Against easier rats like Sanshas, you can even tackle a group. Make sure you get those missile skills up to date. Load up FOF, which helps when you get jammed.
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Shikar Tiger
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Posted - 2005.07.13 01:21:00 -
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Id like to run my current setup of my Raven past you, to basically see if its actually any good, considering that Im still quite new to the BS piloting lark.
Currently the Raven is fitted with
Large Slots
6x Siege Launchers
1x Small 125mm Railgun
1x Small 75mm Railgun
Medium Slots
3x Shield Extender II
1x Medium Peroxide Storage Battery
1x XL Clarity Ward Shield Booster
1x F-S8 relativistic Deflection Shield Induction
Low Slots
1x Crosslinked Ballistic System
1x Local Power Plant Manager: Diag System 1
2x CoPro 2
1x Halcyon Warp Core Stab
Just interested in some feedback regarding its current setup, please feel free to point out anything I should change or adjust.
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Kristanna Malieri
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Posted - 2005.07.13 17:28:00 -
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Quote:
6 x Cruise 2 x dual 150 rails
1 x Targer Painter 5 x named cap rechargers
2 x Large armour repairer 3 x hardners (You can run both armour repairers permantly)
This really works? I just spotted this at work, gonna have to try this when I get home! Just the thought of not warping out when my armour starts to drop is already giving me the willies!!! Will be fun to try anyway, hopefully my engineering skills are up to the task. I suppose I could try on Sisi, but it just wouldn't be the same as on the main server... And after losing one Raven post-patch I don't think I'm as bothered about losing another as I thought I'd be... Who knows, next thing I might end up PvPing and losing ships left right and centre! |
Black January
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Posted - 2005.07.13 18:12:00 -
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You can't run both repairers permanently (especialy if you drop one of the cap rechargers for a painter) even with a pair of nos in the highs instead of guns, but it does last a very long time.
As for tankability? Depends on what you're fighting really. Player battleships? No chance in hell of tanking 4 at once. NPCs.. depends on the type. Sansha's, probably if you double harden you can do it. Angels, you could do 2. You could probably win against 3 but it would be a matter of killing them before they kill you. Four would get hairy..
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King Dave
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Posted - 2005.07.13 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 13/07/2005 20:22:34
Edited by: King Dave on 13/07/2005 20:22:19
This is my setup, it has been in the works for nearly 2 years now, yes you do need a bit of money to make it work. but its squeezing every last inch of cpu and powergrid out of the ship: I really shouldnt tell you this... but oh well :)
High: 6 named seige, 2 heavy nos
med: 1 xl-c5l (xl II = suck) 2 amps,2 hardners 1 cap II
Low: 5 power diagnostic II
u now need advanced weapon upgrades at level 5 to run it, I dont have it yet so i have taken a heavy nos off, u have to have every fitting skill at max and the cpu implant, Once the new skills have been trained up, i see no need for a target painter...
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Undeadd
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Posted - 2005.07.21 12:44:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Med
1 XL shield booster
1 Shield HardenerHugo Kaviene
Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 12/07/2005 05:10:50
Edited by: Hugo Kaviene on 12/07/2005 05:10:15
High
6 cruise missile launchers
2 Small guns (one that you have the highest skills)
1 Stasis Webifier
3 Cap Rechargers
Low
All Ballistic Controls
This deals enough damage to small targets and big targets alike. Against easier rats like Sanshas, you can even tackle a group. Make sure you get those missile skills up to date. Load up FOF, which helps when you get jammed.
I have tryed to use small hawties than small artyllery but find it no sense... frigs are dying fast from drones, on cruizers won't work good, better are medium or large nosfs, drones kill all for you 
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2005.07.21 21:01:00 -
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Quess what...
2005.07.21 20:23:27combatYour Wrath Cruise Missile I hits Guristas Saboteur, doing 450.1 damage.
And w/o painting or webbing. There is a light on that tunnel 
I know it's not probably the best target for testing but atleast it's a small target.
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Madc0w
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Posted - 2005.09.14 06:48:00 -
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How about this setup :) And yes I use it every day soloing Lvl4 mission.
High: 2x E500 Vampires
6x Dread Cruise Launchers
Med : 1x Pith-b XL Shield Booster
1x Dread Shield Amplifier
2x Cap Rechargers II
2x Shield Hardeners
Low : 3x Pandemoniums Balistic Controls
2x PDS II
With all relevant skills at lvl5 the numbers looks like this:
990 Shield recharge every 4 sec.
6.5 ROF
520 Cruise damage on full inpact...or 80 average on
frigates, up to 450.
6500+ Shields.
Over 30 shield recharges before cap drains.
This setup will solo any lvl4 missions out there.
And cost quite a lot :) Also can be done better.
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ice Foxy on 14/09/2005 11:13:29
Why is this thread still going when there is an updated post coldwar eddition topic created by the same author here?
Or can people only be arsed to read the first sticky topic 
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Banirr
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Posted - 2005.10.24 08:12:00 -
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Is there a correct passive tanking fit for the Raven?
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Martinsen
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Posted - 2005.12.09 11:19:00 -
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6 tops louncher t2
3 hardnos 1 xL shildbouster 2 capt2
5 pds |
MrCjEvans
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Posted - 2006.01.09 12:13:00 -
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i use for most lvl 4s atm:
6x arb siege , 2x 125 II
1z Gisti B-Type Xlarge SB, 1x amp, 1x cap recharger II, 3x hardners
3x BCU II, 1x PDU II, 1x wcs
if im facing angels i might swap the cap II for another hardner, and also rarely will change the launchers to cruise pending on the mission.
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2006.01.18 10:52:00 -
[261]
Mine is a weird one. but I kinda like it...
hi:
6 x Malkuth cruise, 2x Heavy NOS
med:
1x sensor booster II, 1x Large Shield booster II, 2xshield hardeners (therm and EM), 20km scrambler, webber.
low:
Ballistic control, Large armour repair, the rest PDU.
and I carry 7 Hammerhead drones. (only 5 used at a time but 2 for when 2 go pop)
Seems to work fine and it's good for both PvP and Ratting.. I'd say mostly PvP but hey, that's cool by me =P It will *****anything from frigate (with the drones an a webber) to BS's and cruisers etc.
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ClogMan
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Posted - 2006.01.27 08:47:00 -
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Not seen many (any?) passive shield tanking setups:
Im getting my Raven very soon and did the following setup in QuickFit.
Hi's:
1 * Siege Launcher
4 * Cruise Launchers
2 * 150mm Rails
Med's:
3 * T2 Large Extenders
3 * T2 Hardeners of choice
Lo's:
4 * PDU I
1 * BCS I
Gives me this:
CPU : 674.5 / 805.0 tf
Capacitor (regen) : 5717.684 Energy (676.38sec)
Max Cap Regen : 20.71 per sec (approx.)
Shield HP (regen) : 15828.186 (1244.56sec)
Max Shield Regen : 31.79 per sec (approx.)
Not to shabby i think ?
I could run all 3 hardeners + guns, forever with this setup.
SWG Exile from Chimaera. |
Greyshadow
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Posted - 2006.01.27 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Greyshadow on 27/01/2006 11:07:01
Originally by: ClogMan
Not seen many (any?) passive shield tanking setups
Thats because the recharge rate isn't great on the raven, you get more out of a active tank.
Edit:
Let me just add thats not to say you can't do passive though, its just not as good as a passive ie like the ferox can do.
"Now you see me, now you don't!" |
Togakure
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Posted - 2006.01.27 21:03:00 -
[264]
Originally by: ClogMan
Not seen many (any?) passive shield tanking setups:
Im getting my Raven very soon and did the following setup in QuickFit.
Hi's:
1 * Siege Launcher
4 * Cruise Launchers
2 * 150mm Rails
Med's:
3 * T2 Large Extenders
3 * T2 Hardeners of choice
Lo's:
4 * PDU I
1 * BCS I
Gives me this:
CPU : 674.5 / 805.0 tf
Capacitor (regen) : 5717.684 Energy (676.38sec)
Max Cap Regen : 20.71 per sec (approx.)
Shield HP (regen) : 15828.186 (1244.56sec)
Max Shield Regen : 31.79 per sec (approx.)
Not to shabby i think ?
I could run all 3 hardeners + guns, forever with this setup.
Not saying your setup is wrong but it doesn't take advantage of the massive cap a Raven has to offer. You should probably do better dropping 2 large extenders and using a shield booster & amp. Both your shield and capacitor will receive recharge benefits from the PDU there you get better tanking.
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Tremex
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:55:00 -
[265]
Ok I may be a noob, but...
Torpedoes are unguided, so why does everyone want them ? Do they really ever hit their target ?
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ring86
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Posted - 2006.07.14 02:30:00 -
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Hi, I just got a raven (my second raven, I lost my first one) and I want to get a good setup for npcing(blood rats). My skills aren't good (I have 4.8 mil sp in total) but I still want to rat and I am getting good damage with my setup. Please give me advice on my setup.
High Slots: 6 Siege missile launchers, medium nos, small tractor beam
Mid Slots:2 cap rechargers, 2 heat dissipation field, 1 photon scattering field, Xlarge Clarity Ward booster
Low Slots: 4Ballistic Control Systems, 1 co-processor
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2006.07.14 07:06:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Zakgram on 14/07/2006 07:14:07
Edited by: Zakgram on 14/07/2006 07:07:00
Originally by: ring86
Hi, I just got a raven (my second raven, I lost my first one) and I want to get a good setup for npcing(blood rats). My skills aren't good (I have 4.8 mil sp in total) but I still want to rat and I am getting good damage with my setup. Please give me advice on my setup.
High Slots: 6 Siege missile launchers, medium nos, small tractor beam
Mid Slots:2 cap rechargers, 2 heat dissipation field, 1 photon scattering field, Xlarge Clarity Ward booster
Low Slots: 4Ballistic Control Systems, 1 co-processor
Nice bit of Necromancy! Oh well..
I don't rat but I do missions - here is the sort of setup that works well for me.
H: 6 x Cruise Launcher IIs, 2 x Drone Link Augmenter
M: 1 x Gist Large booster, 2 x Shield Boost Amp, 2 x rat specific hardner (eveinfo!), 1 x invuln field II
L: 2 x Ballistic II, 2 x PDU II, 1 x Internal Force Field array
IFA is there in case you run out of cap. Nothing worse than watching shield go bye bye, armour race away, and then pop. IFA gives you chance to warp out and in some cases like lost link can make *all* the difference. Buy the most expensive one you can.
Drone links are a "finisher"; most of the time your drones in missions can't be released to avoid level aggro, but when you've got the last group going you can send med/heavy drones >=50km.
Switch to T1 for all that stuff if you don't have the T2 skills. Order I'd train skills and buy to get T2 / Advanced variants: damage control -> shield hardners -> pdus -> shield compensation -> weapon T2s -> BCS -> drones
Prior to the gist booster I'd suggest dropping one BCS for another PDU.
Also - if you're in "safe" space and have a clone consider a set of crystal implants. 4 of the lows are reasonably priced (i.e. 15m, 35m, 71m, 75m) and you'll get another 15% or so of shield boost for them being in.
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Dark Terr0r
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Posted - 2006.07.19 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Terr0r on 19/07/2006 04:55:33
Aight, I personally have 2 decently relevant questions that have not been sincerely answered in this entire topic(At least I believe they haven't been answered).
#1: What types of ammo (torps) would you use in a PVP situation? Em and Explosive or what? Or do you just use one singular type of torp through the entire combat situation?
#2 If you just jumped through a gate, you get ganked by... Let's say 4 pirates.. A jag, a target jamming random cruiser, and 2 BS's, While in your little tank of a raven with 3bill gear, what do you do? Try to run hard and fast for the gate? Pray and hope you live? Or just sit and accept death? Or in complete faith of your ship fight it out? ( I have experienced alot of those situations in Saidusairos where knights of chaos members have jumped me while riding in my scorp, where I was webbed, warp jammed, and target jammed.) Note that when target jammed, you cannot use your sieges, thus disabling your method of attack without cruise launchers. ( I'm running all of this off of the build for a raven with gear of 3 domination sieges
2 gotans modded sieges
1 dread siege
2 True sanshas heavy Nos.
and so on, all previously stated in another person's build. )Or is it just the fact that you don't try to solo pvp when in such an expensive ship while there's a risk such as 4 pirates attacking you involved? Anyone with answers to these questions would be most appreciated if they would please post their answers. Thank you all, I wish you all a safe flight, Night, Dark Terr0r.
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Terr0r
#1: What types of ammo (torps) would you use in a PVP situation? Em and Explosive or what? Or do you just use one singular type of torp through the entire combat situation?
Since you have 6 slots maybe all 4, plus an extra kin and explosive. That way the first volley you'd get to see what they are weak in, and you have the option of switching if appropriate (i.e. 10 secs delay to next fire is ok).
Originally by: Dark Terr0r
#2 If you just jumped through a gate, you get ganked by... Let's say 4 pirates.. A jag, a target jamming random cruiser, and 2 BS's, While in your little tank of a raven with 3bill gear, what do you do? Try to run hard and fast for the gate? Pray and hope you live? Or just sit and accept
Since they wouldn't probably be doing this in +0.5 space, lets look at 0.1<>0.4 and 0.0.
0.1<>0.4 you should be able to tank the damage long enough for them to bugger off as the sentries pound them assuming you don't have any resists=0 (e.g. em). Avoid asteroids, mission deadspace areas in this space otherwise they can still get you and you'll be going pop before you know it.
0.0. Just don't.
Originally by: Dark Terr0r
Or is it just the fact that you don't try to solo pvp when in such an expensive ship while there's a risk such as 4 pirates attacking you involved?
That's about right; solo pvping in a ship with equipment you can't easily afford to replace is probably not a good idea. If you've got lots of billions sitting around spare then have fun!
Consider using a different type of ship for solo pvping; if caldari then a rook/crow/flycatcher/manticore(cough... for fun...) may be a better choice than a raven.
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Dark Terr0r
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:07:00 -
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why isn't this thread stickied yet? This is an incredible guide for raven pilots. Good work every1.
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