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Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:55:00 - [181] There have been scams every year for the past four and a half years that I've been involved in MD. You are not special or significant. Nothing you do will have any impact. Your actions, ultimately, are meaningless. Projects Blog
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:01:00 - [182] LMAO at the total fail in this thread. Both investor and OP. I had never read this before for some reason, but after I saw the scam stuff I took time to read the business plan. WOW, just WOW. Issues with the actual business plan: 1. You can not run a business copying BPO's to make BPC's then to produce ships from. It takes 10 hours and 15 hours to copy a BC and BS respectively. Yet if you use the BPO you can make 3/4 or 5 ships in the equivalent time. 2. By using purchased BPC's takes profit off the ship production. In the case of BS's about 1m ISK per copy, and 0.5-0.75M per BC. 3. Utilizing about 4.4B ISK in materials spread over about 72hrs (need 3 days to build and sell and purchase minerals) makes about 12-14 BS's per day. Profitibility per BS may be about 3-5M (no IER available in march at good value), reduced by 1M per BPC makes about 3M per ship. 4. Gross profits of 40-50M per day = 1.2-1.5B per month Interest about 600M ISK Medium POS = 140M POS array costs (spread over 6 months) = 90M ISK Profit to OP = 500M ISK max PLEX = 280M OP profit = 220M This operation was never going to be very profitable from the start, and I doubt the OP had the smarts to get the profit I was stating. Anyone making BPC's to run constant production needs to see a 12 year old maths teacher. You only make BPC's when ship production is unprofitable (to not waste a slot in a lab and stockpile) or you sell the BPC's. Massive/huge red flag. Expansion after 8 days. Are you serious. Fastest expansion in history of MD. To the OP are you surprised you got trolled/flamed. Investors want to see profits and dividends before expansion. The investors didn't think you were good for it, and were proven correct. Also 2.5B ISK on a covetor BPO. Possibly the worst investment in T1 BPO's atm. This was basically a scam attempt and the OP got stopped before grabbing extra money. I am willing to bet that when the OP's wallet reached the high point on march 12th (there about) from all the player donations the wallet value was at its high water mark. I bet the OP didn't run a profitable operation, and didn't bother making profits or couldn't. SCAM was always the goal and this is just a lame justification. Also this is why audits are only a tool and why investors should STUDY the business plan.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:13:00 - [183] I'm just thinking the OP is indulging in rabble rousing for the pure drama of it all. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
ITSAssassin Silentium Mortalitas Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:15:00 - [184] Originally by: Shar Tegral I'm just thinking the OP is indulging in rabble rousing for the pure drama of it all. You all may take away from this what you wish. I am not telling investors to shew shew trollers away, but to simply have their Business Operators' backs like Taram Caldar did in this thread. It's unfortunate that he feels he must make my life in eve a living hell. And the majority of MD still thinks that my original intention was to scam. There's no way that I can reason with those who believe that, except following through with my word that investors who have their manager's backs will be spared in the future (Taram Caldar is the first to have his ISK returned). Everytime an alt of mine successfully gains investor's ISK and the scam takes place, I will reveal that it was one of my alts. No one can stop the coming scams, but you can simply prevent yourself from being one of the few who escape losing your isk by defending your manager's integrity, and trustworthiness. More information for L.A.'s sake: Alts: -JitaSitter -ITSAssassin2 -Torian Prime -Foxey Lady -666Assassin (still exists =P) -Purple Ectasy -Aphrodite Princess POS Location: -Br@pelille in Sinq Laison region So? These alts no longer exist people, and the POS has been taken down. If anyone decides to take action against my main, I will simply buy another main, and you will not know who it is. This scam WILL make a difference in the future of MD; just wait and see all of you who doubt it. This is my last post in this thread, so I will leave with a few warnings and guidelines that MD should adopt in the future: -Investors: Take a more active role in your investment. If someone is talking down to a manager, defend them. If you don't, odds are you could be getting scammed very shortly. -Trollers: change your posting style. Stop flaming business owners who work hard to make MD a great and reliable place to invest money. Post with CONSTRUCTIVE advice and critism. No insults, and no demeaning comments. If you flame, you are causing investors to be scammed. So stop doing it. If you don't believe me, then so be it. MD will eventually get the message. Maybe not now, maybe not after 5 scams, and maybe not even after 10... but you will learn. You treat business managers with disrespect, so I'm going to get that respect back for those of us who don't deserve the mistreatment. I'm out, and will be back soon.... _______________________________________________ Popping ships since 2007, and still popping ships today
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:22:00 - [185] There have been more people than you, scamming longer than you've been playing, scamming for more than you did that have not significantly impacted MD. You are not special...despite your desire to be. Projects Blog
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:24:00 - [186] Originally by: ITSAssassin This scam WILL make a difference in the future of MD; just wait and see all of you who doubt it. Indeed it will. I sense that almost every offering from unknowns will now be required to have 110% collateral. Good luck scamming with that.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.04.05 22:27:00 - [187] Originally by: ITSAssassin If you flame, you are causing investors to be scammed. So stop doing it. Nice, avoiding responsibility for your actions. No matter how much you polish a turd, it is still a turd. No matter how many alts you use, ... ... Normally I'd say more but there's just so much fail (in this thread, in you, and in your parent's raising of you) that I'm just stopping here. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Dzil Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:03:00 - [188] Originally by: ITSAssassin [ Everytime an alt of mine successfully gains investor's ISK and the scam takes place, I will reveal that it was one of my alts. It goes without saying that your repeated failures leading up to that will go unannounced, since you handle failure about as well as a 4 year old handles bedtime. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
LarcatOfRens	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:17:00 - [189] On a lighter note: Originally by: cosmoray Massive/huge red flag. Expansion after 8 days. WITH THIS SIMPLE CAPSULE....
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:29:00 - [190] Originally by: ITSAssassin If anyone decides to take action against my main, I will simply buy another main, and you will not know who it is. Ok, let's do that. Cost of an equivalent character: 6-8b Revenue from scam: 2b Cost of making your character unplayable: up to 100m/week I don't think you've thought this through (unsurprisingly).

cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:52:00 - [191] Any managers of businesses here in MD who can't take being trolled, don't deserve public funds. It comes with the territory. As soon as people give you their money they have the right to criticise and demand answers. In this specific case everyone was in the right to jump on you, as you were proposing an expansion 8 days after launch. In every case this has proven to be business suicide, so the investors rightly were worried and you didn't offer any investors a way out. At that point the business was going to definately scam whatever happenned, like every other business that expands before paying divs. It doesn't really matter, you are small potatoes with your mini scam. You may even get lucky in your up coming ones. You haven't damaged the market in the high end, you just made it more difficult for unknowns to get financing. 110% collateral is going to become quite the industry standard.
Grozen Caldari Titan Core	Posted - 2010.04.05 23:52:00 - [192] Dude your quest again someone that posts on your topic hurts the ppl you are supposedly caring the most your investors.Know this that in life there's no greater evil then betrayal of trust.You will one day experience the same its how fate rewards such actions.I suggest you repent while you still have dignity.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.04.06 00:04:00 - [193] This thread is awesome. And even after this, ~~retards~~ people will wonder why MD is generally hostile to uncollateralized offerings from total unknowns.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.04.06 00:10:00 - [194] Originally by: ITSAssassin -Investors: Take a more active role in your investment. If someone is talking down to a manager, defend them. If you don't, odds are you could be getting scammed very shortly. -Trollers: change your posting style. Stop flaming business owners who work hard to make MD a great and reliable place to invest money. Post with CONSTRUCTIVE advice and critism. No insults, and no demeaning comments. If you flame, you are causing investors to be scammed. So stop doing it. That's right the best scams are where other people defend the scammer for them and convince other sheep to follow. This thread is an example of how the so called "trolling" is extemely effective. Originally by: angry muppet If you don't believe me, then so be it. MD will eventually get the message. Maybe not now, maybe not after 5 scams, and maybe not even after 10... but you will learn. You treat business managers with disrespect, so I'm going to get that respect back for those of us who don't deserve the mistreatment. Look at this internet tough guy threatening people and demanding respect. Looks like we've hurt his over inflated ego. This type of posting is inspired by fear and mouth-foaming anger. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Lord Arbalest Amarr Zero Profits	Posted - 2010.04.06 00:33:00 - [195] Confirming the OP has stated the correct location of his POS at time of audit. In response to the OP disclosing his POS location and stating it has been taken down. Here is some information I have gathered of possible new locations for it or just new operations: On the 3rd of this month 5,517,800.00 m3 was transported from Jita to Veisto V - Moon 4 - Propel Dynamics Factory via courier contract. I also have the skill distribution for the characters in the above image, for those who want that information. Items sold/traded mainly in: Fricoure Dodi
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:20:00 - [196] Originally by: Lord Arbalest Assets Ships: 738m Hey, do you have the information on what kind of ships he has? I've been negotiating with a few griefer corps, and it would help with arranging payment if we knew what kind of stuff they can gank.
SlayerOfArgus Gallente For The Booze	Posted - 2010.04.06 05:23:00 - [197] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Lord Arbalest Assets Ships: 738m Hey, do you have the information on what kind of ships he has? I've been negotiating with a few griefer corps, and it would help with arranging payment if we knew what kind of stuff they can gank. 666Assassin has a freighter. ITSAssassin has a navy armageddon that he uses missions with and various other ships for his low sec ventures.
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.04.06 06:26:00 - [198] Originally by: ITSAssassin If anyone decides to take action against my main, I will simply buy another main, and you will not know who it is. Seems about time for that emergency exit, methinks On a side note: the way you react to criticism and bend the truth to suit your own point of view reminds me of some very famous people in our history. It's impressive how you manage to blame people for not being gullible enough. Thank god you don't run a country; I would really feel bad for its journalists and political opposition ^_^ Help us to make parrots game related today!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.06 08:09:00 - [199] Pathetic. The OP should have learned and capitalized from this. Instead he failed. On all the fronts. Changing your main won't help, you are in need of something more difficult to achieve than a new pilot. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Magnu Stormhawk Stormhawk Enterprises	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:37:00 - [200] Originally by: ITSAssassin Edited by: ITSAssassin on 06/04/2010 09:06:02 My warnings have been communicated... Trembles I see you have given up trying to be a cool scammer and deleted all your bull****. Too late dude, you look like a muppet. (Troll apologies, but I just had to post in this epicly poor scam thread)

Riethe	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:46:00 - [201] I just re-read the first page. Did people really invest in this? After I clearly demonstrated Deison's Investment Fund to be very similar? I wasn't just joking around, you know.
Clb The Intersect	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:46:00 - [202] Nice try deleting everything but EVE Search caches it all.
flakeys DRAMA Inc OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 09:48:00 - [203] Originally by: ITSAssassin Edited by: ITSAssassin on 06/04/2010 09:06:02 My warnings have been communicated... I hereby withdraw all my current investments and will not place any more in the future because of the epic scams that will come from this mastermind. Move over curzon and ricdic , the master will show you what he's capable of.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.06 10:52:00 - [204] This is actually a pretty good example of what NOT to do. People who are new to MD should add this thread to their list of required reading. Projects Blog
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.04.06 11:01:00 - [205] Um, did he actually go through and delete all his own posts? Wow . Talk about a cowardly and useless gesture. Is the op 5 or something? Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
flakeys DRAMA Inc OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.06 11:02:00 - [206] Originally by: Shar Tegral Um, did he actually go through and delete all his own posts? Wow . Talk about a cowardly and useless gesture. Is the op 5 or something? Wasn't it obvious yet?
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.04.06 11:05:00 - [207] Yo setrak, I've determined that the most hilarious use of my money and time is to donate 250m to griefing this guy - let's get in touch and I'll send some cash your way to contribute to the "lol u'r ****ed" fund. -CQ
Lord Arbalest Amarr Zero Profits	Posted - 2010.04.06 11:11:00 - [208] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Lord Arbalest Assets Ships: 738m Hey, do you have the information on what kind of ships he has? I've been negotiating with a few griefer corps, and it would help with arranging payment if we knew what kind of stuff they can gank. This may now be inaccurate, but at the time of audit it was a Freighter and some normal BC/BS's. Here is some information on what he can possibly fly: Looking at his main's KB on BC: Here you can get a good idea of the ships he has recently been flying into combat.
admiral fovios Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.04.06 12:13:00 - [209] Last night I read through ITSAssassin's posts before he deleted them and had this post half prepared. His reasoning is pretty similar to what you see from large segments of the prison population. No, I'm not saying he's a crook IRL. What I am suggesting is that he has a personality disorder, which is also true for most prisoners. This is based on the many ways his stated reasons for his actios are just, well, insane. Consider the following facts: This likely wasn't intended as a scam at the start. Assuming Riethe's numbers are right, he took in 2 billion at an expense of 6 billion worth or characters. Even adding in the 3 billion failed expansion, he's still opearting at a loss. Assuming cosmoray is right, the announced plan wasn't fake, just a big fail. It's also worth noting that when he decided to scam, it wasn't the standard "lol, I scammed u." It was, "I decided to scam to punish you." Seems more consistant with trying to avoid admitting to be a failure then a genuine scam attempt. Further evidence - he announced it was a scam, and then shortly thereafter decided he better go ahead and delete all his posts to cover his trail. Consider his stated reasoning behind his actions: 1. I'm considering scamming because MD is being mean to me. I'm angry at indistinct people for irrational reasons (MD was skeptical of his initial plan but it was supported. He then tried to expand his operations 8 days after the first loan closed and MD screamed blood murder) 2. The MD community should be punished because it isn't stopping skeptics from posting. 3. My investors should be punished for not supporting me and protecting me from negative posts. (So stupid it hurts. His investors supported him. How on earth were they supposed to stop trolling, if it was trolling?) 4. By punishing investors, they will some how inflict punishment on the naysayers. (Oh so very angry that he honestly thinks flogging person A will hurt person B.) 5. I'm announcing this scam immediately to inflict punishment. I'm not liquidating my characters first. (I bet he was so impulsive he didn't even liquidate assets first.) 6. My business was successful, as proved by the fact I made one interest payment. 7. I'm going to arbitrarly return the money of one investor because I like how he posted to defend my failed business concept. 8. My snit with people really started when my incredibly poorly thought out, impulsive expansion got shot down fast. 9. I realize my scam announcement might have been a little hasty. I'm not deleting all my comments. Now consider the World Health Organization's diagnostic criteria for Impulsive Type personality disorder: A marked tendency to act unexpectedly and without consideration of the consequences; B marked tendency to quarrelsome behaviour and to conflicts with others, especially when impulsive acts are thwarted or criticized; C liability to outbursts of anger or violence, with inability to control the resulting behavioural explosions; D difficulty in maintaining any course of action that offers no immediate reward; E unstable and capricious mood. His behaviour matches on 5/5. Dude has a personality disorder. On the plus side, it's closely associated with Borderline personality disorder, so there's a decent chance he'll off himself, IRL.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.04.06 12:28:00 - [210] I posted a Kill On Sight bounty with 3 merc crops on the OP. This is regardless of war dec,and if the opportunity arises to pod him too.



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