Originally by: ITSAssassin

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The reason for this is 30days gives me enough time to find another investor to take your place

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Originally by: Cyaxares II

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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 21/02/2010 09:11:14
* provide more details about your business:
- what classes of ships/modules do you manufacture?
- is there low-sec/null-sec operations involved?
- broad information about your POSes (number, size, high-sec/low-sec)?
- how long are you in this business?
- can you point us towards happy clients (that are not obvious alts)?
* more details about the alliance
* more details about the offering
- any chance for collateral?
- how much ISK is currently invested?
- how much ISK would you accept max?
- audit?

I am sure there are many, many more questions that have to be answered before anybody seriously considers investing in this venture...

But "these rules and guidelines are set in stone" with only 14% of your post (edit: even less, that number just reflects his first post) related to the business at hand, no attempt to provide any sort of track record, no transparency rgd current investment and no upper limit on investments won't fly well in MD.

edit: updated to reflect 2nd post

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Originally by: Riethe

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Dang Cyaxares.... You big troll you. How will you sleep tonight?


Anyone seriously considering this, click my link first. It's basically the same scam, except this one is really poor quality.

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Originally by: Riethe

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and get an audit proving your profit, and then you're good.

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Originally by: Riethe

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Dang Cyaxares.... You big troll you. How will you sleep tonight?

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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RMBE is seeking to expand it's capital funds by taking on public investors. Please read entirely since these rules and guidelines are set in stone.

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Originally by: Riethe

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Did you know I have people investing in me right now who don't realize they're being scammed, and they love to tell people how great my business is?

Why wouldn't you get a couple of your guys to post? They should be more than happy to spread the word about the great returns.

No investors posting because of some privacy policy just means scam around here.

You do realize that you play on MD rules when you post in MD, don't you?

Maybe if you weren't such a gigantic ass, it would help your cause.

Having an attitude and lack of compliance looks even worse.

You're failing terribly. Being defensive is an awful thing.

What do you have to hide? Why are you so upset?

Why are your guys any different?

Find your own auditor.

I hate you.




(but the offer for me to make you a website still stands, contact me in game)

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Originally by: Riethe

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Did you know I have people investing in me right now who don't realize they're being scammed, and they love to tell people how great my business is?

Why wouldn't you get a couple of your guys to post? They should be more than happy to spread the word about the great returns.

No investors posting because of some privacy policy just means scam around here.

You do realize that you play on MD rules when you post in MD, don't you?

Maybe if you weren't such a gigantic ass, it would help your cause.

Having an attitude and lack of compliance looks even worse.

You're failing terribly. Being defensive is an awful thing.

What do you have to hide? Why are you so upset?

Why are your guys any different?

Find your own auditor.

I hate you.




(but the offer for me to make you a website still stands, contact me in game)

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Clients? The open market are my clients. I'm not sure what you are asking for.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I am in this business for as long as it is profitable.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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What does exact POS details have to do with anything?

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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There is no collateral being offered since this is a very low risk fund IMO.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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And the alliance I am currently in does nothing but industry/pve related things

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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You trolled the hell out of my post, criticizing almost everything you can think of [...] so I have done the best I can to offer any details that investors might need.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Your post IMO is a troll since you did not offer suggestions in a positive manner, and just attacked.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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Edited by: Varo Jan on 21/02/2010 09:57:11

Originally by: ITSAssassin

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RMBE is seeking to expand it's capital funds by taking on public investors. Please read entirely since these rules and guidelines are set in stone.

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No. If you want public money, expect to change your terms to meet investor requirements.

Shares in a shell company are *not* collateral.

You will need an audit.

You¦d be well advised to read a few of the recent successful public offerings - and to modify your offering accordingly. If you don¦t, this will fail.

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Quote:

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So anyone willing to point me in the correct direction for an audtior, please do so. I will appreciate it greatly.

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Here.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Thank you for the advice Varo. It seems I posted my offering at a time when scamming has become the norm in this forum section, and I do understand why i'm coming under scrutiny. I believe that "Luck Yourself Into Isk" is a successful and very profitable offering, so I will go see if I can make any improvements based off of how what they have done it. This is truly an interesting learning experience lol, but thanks Varo once again for your advice. If this thread is not salvagable from all these trollers, I will just raise funds from my own efforts, and operate my business that way. Until that time comes though, I will do my best to prove to investors that I am offering a legitimate investment fund.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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You¦re welcome. Scamming is not the norm, but is always a possibility - and that is why first offerings from newcomers are thoroughly scrutinised. Luck Yourself Into Isk is successful, however PP is well known so he does not need to go through the hoops that you will have to. Look at some of the new offerings that succeeded - or contact me in-game.

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As for Riethe, he¦s just an attention seeking child. Ignore him and he¦ll go back to his pram.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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You¦re welcome. Scamming is not the norm, but is always a possibility - and that is why first offerings from newcomers are thoroughly scrutinised. Luck Yourself Into Isk is successful, however PP is well known so he does not need to go through the hoops that you will have to. Look at some of the new offerings that succeeded - or contact me in-game.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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As for Riethe, he¦s just an attention seeking child. Ignore him and he¦ll go back to his pram.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Thank you for the advice Varo. It seems I posted my offering at a time when scamming has become the norm in this forum section, and I do understand why i'm coming under scrutiny. I believe that "Luck Yourself Into Isk" is a successful and very profitable offering, so I will go see if I can make any improvements based off of how what they have done it. This is truly an interesting learning experience lol, but thanks Varo once again for your advice. If this thread is not salvagable from all these trollers, I will just raise funds from my own efforts, and operate my business that way. Until that time comes though, I will do my best to prove to investors that I am offering a legitimate investment fund.

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You¦re welcome. Scamming is not the norm, but is always a possibility - and that is why first offerings from newcomers are thoroughly scrutinised. Luck Yourself Into Isk is successful, however PP is well known so he does not need to go through the hoops that you will have to. Look at some of the new offerings that succeeded - or contact me in-game.

As for Riethe, he¦s just an attention seeking child. Ignore him and he¦ll go back to his pram.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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If you are up to the task (and the auditing process doesn't jeopardize my Eve-Online accounts security/safety in any way), then I'd love to hire you to do an occasional audit of my business, with the first one being as soon as you can.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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If you are up to the task (and the auditing process doesn't jeopardize my Eve-Online accounts security/safety in any way), then I'd love to hire you to do an occasional audit of my business, with the first one being as soon as you can.

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I would need the full API keys for all your accounts. I¦ll also need more info before I can quote you for the job, so I¦ll send you an Eve mail.

I¦ve just taken on another assignment, so I won¦t be able to start this audit for some 3 days, assuming we agree terms.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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What are the risks in giving you my Full API keys? I have heard people's accounts being messed up when giving out this information, but since you seem to be a trustworthy auditor I'm sure that won't be a problem. Phew, 3 days huh? Well I guess i'll just have to wait then lol. Some alliance members are interested in investing before the fund sees any public investments, so I suppose this works out perfectly for everyone. Just let me know what information that you need and i'll be more than happy to supply you with it.

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Originally by: Riethe

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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What are the risks in giving you my Full API keys? I have heard people's accounts being messed up when giving out this information, but since you seem to be a trustworthy auditor I'm sure that won't be a problem. Phew, 3 days huh? Well I guess i'll just have to wait then lol. Some alliance members are interested in investing before the fund sees any public investments, so I suppose this works out perfectly for everyone. Just let me know what information that you need and i'll be more than happy to supply you with it.

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Full API will show the alts on your account, wallet balance, transactions, everything about your character and your more immediate history.

If you have multiple accounts you should be giving API keys per account.

Since you're completely incapable of doing any research on your own, here is a direct link to the EVE API documentation. It'll give you an idea of what kind of information will be pulled.

Accounts won't be "messed up" from giving out a full API. It just exposes a lot of your character-relevant information. It is perfectly safe in Varo's hands.

And finally, it's possible to be helpful without being nice. Most people work really hard around here to research what they're doing. You've clearly not spent much time viewing readily-available resources on how to approach a business offering. Your posting is also rather poor quality.

What do you expect? You don't walk into a job interview unshaven, wearing baggy pants, talking in street lingo.

Your presentation is poor and your research is even worse. You might not find me very friendly, but you're in the wrong place for that. If you're blinded by emotion and unable to see the advice being offered, then that is your own fault.

If this post is not considered constructive, then I don't know what is.

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Originally by: Cyaxares II

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edit: did you pursue getting a loan from OPTECH farther than the one forum post?

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Originally by: Professor Bunsen

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Originally by: Cyaxares II

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edit: did you pursue getting a loan from OPTECH farther than the one forum post?

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We had a convo, but he thought that my terms of only loaning 90% of collateral and having the 5% interest up front were dodgy. I'm rating this as "Roquefort"

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Originally by: Riethe

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What do you expect? You don't walk into a job interview unshaven, wearing baggy pants, talking in street lingo.

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Originally by: The Interrogator

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Well I'm not looking to invest any direct isk into your corp though I would like to talk with you about purchasing a set amount of ships from your corp directly and if you produce ammo, I would be even more interested.

I trade on average of 4 Billion a month so I am just looking for a new supplier to help keep my logistics up and running.

Send me an evemail on the brand of ship you produce, your price for purchasing 5 to 10 of them at a time and if and what type of ammo you can produce and in what amounts per week.

Thank you,

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 23/02/2010 13:47:43

Originally by: Professor Bunsen

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Originally by: Cyaxares II

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edit: did you pursue getting a loan from OPTECH farther than the one forum post?

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We had a convo, but he thought that my terms of only loaning 90% of collateral and having the 5% interest up front were dodgy. I'm rating this as "Roquefort"

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I have never, and never plan to, borrowed isk. But there's no way I'd borrow under those terms either.

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Originally by: Hoodat Bee

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Originally by: Riethe

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What do you expect? You don't walk into a job interview unshaven, wearing baggy pants, talking in street lingo.

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Appropriate Job Hunting Attire C/D?

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Pulling out for various reasons. Good luck with your fund.

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Originally by: Kera Delacour

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Edited by: Kera Delacour on 25/02/2010 22:41:33
Dunno who he is but if you don't want his isk I'll happily take it :)
PS: Don't forget I upped my reservation to 200mil.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I just got the STRANGEST PM from a guy named "Vitamin B12." He was inquiring about a free audit of my fund at first, then said he wishes to purchase my entire bond, and then deposits 2mil into my wallet for "my time." I am in no way affiliated with this person, and have never talked to him before in my life. I suspected him of being a Riethe alt trying to sabotage my fund by gaining access to my personal information, and he got quite upset about the accusation. YES i'm paranoid about someone trying to screw my fund up, NO I did not allow him to do a free audit of my fund (as Varo Jan has proven his auditing skills, and is more than sufficient to perform a thorough audit). If this person posts in my thread, with something other than a fund reservation than they are trying to slander me. I'm confused about the random, prying, and long conversation that we had, and the information that they were seeking. All investors should be aware that this person could have a motive, and that I do not know them in any way.

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Originally by: Vitamin B12

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to the audit stuff. if you dont want a detailed audit i can give you a surface audit, so ppl safe time with investing instead of looking through your contracts and ask around about you. since 2 months i came up with the idea to make audits but never got the chance.

this little research is only speculation and not a fact. investing is as usual a risk.

background information:

He bought around 44 Bpc's over the last 2 weeks with around 250 runs. if you read through the contract information you can speculate that he produces in dodixie. 07/2009 he did some pvp but had no contract history except fittings (plex) he bought. after i put some values into my calculator i saw that there is more money needed to get max profit out of his pos. i speculate that he is actual using 2 full production lines since 2 weeks. when you follow his post through the forum you can see that he has some market expirience and is able to sell the ships and can buy the required resources with a good margin.

thats all i can say without the API key. build your own opinion about it.

@ITSAssasin:
if you original auditor have no time or wont respond i still would like to make your aduit. and i wish you good luck with your bond!

regards Vitamin B12

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Stop trying to PM me as we have already had our one and only conversation In-Game

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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SOMEONE WILL contact you about a free audit to get your career as a trusted auditor started, just stop asking me to be your first audit... I'M NOT INTERESTED

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I'd like to apologize for assuming that you are Riethe, as I have no idea who you really are, and didn't want you to do the VERY thing that you just did (post in my thread with anything other than an investment reservation).

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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So going from there, the post above Vitamin B12's predicted something like this would come up, and look, here it is.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I'm not trying to slander you in any way, just stating that I don't know you, and that you were asking some strange questions (which I can post a screenshot of if your post detracts from my fund) that I did not feel comfortable answering.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Yes I have had inactive periods in my Eve Career, who hasn't? My fund has a clause for this very thing that you are talking about: Read It.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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EDIT: BTW; if you had my API keys, you would be able to see that I purchased unresearched Ammo, and T1 Drone BPOs 1month ago. I then researched these BPOs and have been manufacturing at a profit ever since. Since you are not my auditor, and don't have my API Keys OR the facts, you are slandering me.

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Originally by: Riethe

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If you think I have some agenda against your terrible bond, then you've still misinterpreted all of my posting...

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 27/02/2010 17:08:59
Why hello...
Since I was able to divest 2 long term moderate interest assets at very good values I had a bit more isk than I needed for my own endevours. (the 3rd that I divested was used for a character purchase to maximize my own project)

As a result I'm able to re-enter this investment

1bln isk reserved, pending results of audit. 6 months.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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I am sorry to disappoint you and the others who keep asking me again and again but ATM I am full of work till further notice.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Well it's your isk. It's not like liquid isk is collateral anyway... I'd say it's up to you what you do with your isk and how you word the bond. As it is it's a no collateral bond, no matter what you do with your isk.

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Originally by: Kera Delacour

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I am very sorry to do this but our corporation just got wardecced. In order to make it a fun experience for everyone we're going to use the fund set asside for this investment to buy everyone T1 ships and combat fittings to play in and learn to PVP.

So I'm going to have to withdraw from this offering.

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 02/03/2010 23:17:52
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 02/03/2010 23:14:20

Audit Report by Lord Arbalest on Royal Investment Holdings and all linked parties.

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Originally by: Terrare Vordai

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ITSAssassin, I am sorry but I feel I must withdraw my reservation. I feel there is significantly more risk indicated here than I feel comfortable with, given the investment return per month. I feel no anonymity towards you nor your offering and others should not take it as such, I just feel that the risks laid out by the auditor deserve higher return.

If you should make additional investment offerings in the future I would love to review and invest.

Terrare

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Originally by: Foxey Lady

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Edited by: Foxey Lady on 03/03/2010 00:39:31

Originally by: Terrare Vordai

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ITSAssassin, I am sorry but I feel I must withdraw my reservation. I feel there is significantly more risk indicated here than I feel comfortable with, given the investment return per month. I feel no anonymity towards you nor your offering and others should not take it as such, I just feel that the risks laid out by the auditor deserve higher return.

If you should make additional investment offerings in the future I would love to review and invest.

Terrare

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Ok, not a problem, but I don't see what "new" risks have come up with the audit performed. Everything is as I have said, but it's your choice to back out. Your reservation has been cancelled. Another time :)

ITSAssassin

EDIT: I was logged in to the wrong account (and toon apparently) when replying to this message. Simple mistake Lmao XD

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Originally by: Malakai Cross

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Isk transferred.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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1bil Transferred @ 15% for 6 months.

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Originally by: SlayerOfArgus

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150 mil transferred at a rate of 10% interest for 6 months.

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Originally by: ButterNut

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200mil sent for a duration of 6 months

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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1bil Transferred @ 15% for 6 months.

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Confirming deposit received. Investor ID sent via Evemail, spread updated, and shares transferred to Tarm Caldar. Thank you again for your investment in my fund.

Oh; BTW> http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9561345
Maybe you can put in a good word with your alliance so I don't get suicide ganked . I'd appreciate it.

2,260 Million left in open investments. Get them in before the fund fills up!!

ITSAssassin
Royal M&B Enterprises CEO

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Originally by: Regulator6

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300mil sent. Reduced from 600mil for personal reasons.

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Originally by: Yldraeth

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investing 600 mil wil send once this is confirmed :) (in or out game)

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Originally by: Annabelle Horiz

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I'll take the remaining 810m investment. Please post / evemail confirmation and I will transfer the cash.

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Originally by: Annabelle Horiz

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810m sent. Would like the 12 month term please.

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Originally by: Riethe

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It is very unlikely that this person will follow up on receiving a full audit proving his current success, investors, capital, etc. Only time will tell.

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:24
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:16

Will you be offering current investors a chance to liquidate their investment now you are looking to change the amount of public isk you are taking on and therefore changing the risk levels of this investment?

Edit: Will this new expansion be treated as a separate bond operation or combined into this one?

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:24
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:16

Will you be offering current investors a chance to liquidate their investment now you are looking to change the amount of public isk you are taking on and therefore changing the risk levels of this investment?

Edit: Will this new expansion be treated as a separate bond operation or combined into this one?

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Q1: No, the 3 month minimum will still be in effect regardless of an expansion. I feel that me changing the maximum amount of the fund does not create any "new" risks involved for current investors that have deposits in my fund for T1 BC and BS manufacturing. My research related to manufacturing/invention practices is very thorough, so if I was taking any new gambles then I would compensate investors for those new risks.

Additionally, the interest rates i'm offering more than accomodate investors for a no-collateral offering. So that leads me to your Q2.

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Originally by: RAW23

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:24
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 12/03/2010 23:50:16

Will you be offering current investors a chance to liquidate their investment now you are looking to change the amount of public isk you are taking on and therefore changing the risk levels of this investment?

Edit: Will this new expansion be treated as a separate bond operation or combined into this one?

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Q1: No, the 3 month minimum will still be in effect regardless of an expansion. I feel that me changing the maximum amount of the fund does not create any "new" risks involved for current investors that have deposits in my fund for T1 BC and BS manufacturing. My research related to manufacturing/invention practices is very thorough, so if I was taking any new gambles then I would compensate investors for those new risks.

Additionally, the interest rates i'm offering more than accomodate investors for a no-collateral offering. So that leads me to your Q2.

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You need to offer a cash out option imo. Investors will have gauged risk based in the initial amount you asked for. Regardless of what you say about business success and the interest rate you offer, the perceived risk that you will walk with the cash does increase as the amount of isk increases.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Have to agree with both arbalest and raw23

If you are going to expand the fund by an additional 3bil you need to offer a cash out option.

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Originally by: SlayerOfArgus

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If anyone is interested I am selling my 15 shares for 150mil total. Each share is worth 10 mil. Convo or pm me in game to ask about it.

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: SlayerOfArgus

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If anyone is interested I am selling my 15 shares for 150mil total. Each share is worth 10 mil. Convo or pm me in game to ask about it.

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This offer reeks.

There is no one thing that pushes me over, but all told I call ponzi attempt.

I would get my money out of this. The expansion attempt within 8 days of launch is ample justification for getting your money back.

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Originally by: SlayerOfArgus

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Please do not confuse my backing out for speculation that I think he is unstable in his investment

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: SlayerOfArgus

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Please do not confuse my backing out for speculation that I think he is unstable in his investment

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I don't. I think the ponzi expansion failed, so you're trying to squeeze as much out of this as possible.

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Originally by: PuffnSnuff

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If you wish to disagree then so be it.

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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1.I think the ponzi expansion failed, 2.so you're trying to squeeze as much out of this as possible.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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boo hoo hoo

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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boo hoo hoo

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Cry more. If you don't want to be called a scammer, then don't act like one. Pretty simple.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Where is a reference for all the things that a scammer does? Thread link plz.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Until you provide a reference for me to make sure i'm not "acting like a scammer," STFU and GTFO of my thread.

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Where is a reference for all the things that a scammer does? Thread link plz.

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The best guides are your own common sense and, shockingly, just being open, straightforward, and honest throughout. Attempting to expand 8 days after getting everyone's money and having your friends cashout their supporting investment breaks all 4 of these simple guidelines.

It's not my job to tell you in advance how to avoid appearing like a scammer.

Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Until you provide a reference for me to make sure i'm not "acting like a scammer," STFU and GTFO of my thread.

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No.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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I'd recommend just ignoring Setrak. He's paranoid... and a troll. sometimes he makes good points but usually he's just a troll.

Cosmo is along the same lines. Paranoid... wise.... but a troll at the end of the day typically.

Both are quite capable of both giving good advice and giving constructive criticism. They just.... generally don't anymore.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 21/03/2010 05:36:10
1. Before you've even paid your first public dividends you were talking about expanding
2. However, owning up before anyone in MD said anything about it, that you've left your alliance was honest... and I appreciate honesty.
3. Backing off from your planned expansion with the explanation about it was good as well.
4. The only thing really fishy anymore is the guy trying to liquidate. I'm not sure what to tell you there.
5. Full api's from him might help but frankly anyone can get around api key checks for alts if they really want to. So I'm affraid you're stuck with that one.

6. I still don't think it's a ponzi though.
If it were it'd have been for a hell of a lot more than 150 mil in shares.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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He accidentally his whole alliance!!!

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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He accidentally his whole alliance!!!

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He (or I) did what? lol, you left out a word

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Confirming isk received.

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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I'm just trolling for the sake of trolling

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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Not a MD person - just browsing this thread for fun and lold at ITSAssassis's "expansion". That got me all revved up - hoping, praying that ITSAssassin is some new contrivance of Riethe, here to rip MD off at a pitifully smaller scale. I guess whether or not that is the case still remains to be seen :) but anyway, just a funny thought.

No offense intended ITSAssassin, and that's something which must be clear if you are familiar with Riethe's own infamous IPO.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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whahn hahn hahn

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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whahn hahn hahn

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You tried to almost double the size of your debt 8 days after getting your funding. You have absolutely no one to blame except yourself. Reactions from the investment community in the real world to an analogous situation would be correspondingly similar.

If you don't want to be "hassled" by the fictitious "md elites", then exercise better judgment. Plenty of managers handle billions without raising undue concern by using their common sense.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I've seriously considered scamming this fund a thousand times...

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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More lols at ISAssassin. You do know Riethe scammed people here with an offer that looked quite like yours (although as he points out, it was written much more intelligently - much more convincingly), right? And that he made a lot of ISK largely because he was successfully able to expand his offering in a manner quite like the manner in which you tried to expand yours?

Seriously, you are projecting yourself as an idiot - get control of yourself. It seems like MD has worked out just fine for you and here you with your brat raving because "MD elites" dare question your credibility. Well, it's pretty clear both from the terms of your IPO and the audit itself that your IPO is high risk. You yourself say you have thought about scamming everyone. Well, it is fully within your power. Go ahead, big guy!

(Seriously, I hope you are Riethe. My dream come true. Madd propz in that case!)

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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Edited by: Ren Nekk on 05/04/2010 05:27:30

LOLOLOLOL.

Waiting for Riethe to confirm, although honestly if I had to bet I'd bet you are not Riethe. Although to be fair Riethe jumped his gun too.

For posterity, let it be noted that Riethe also made interest payments before scamming. That's why the scam was so successful! Too bad you failed at your expansion before scamming - you should have gone ahead and tried to solicit more bids despite all the concern - something I was really hoping to see while I was reading through.

Edit: nice edits there by the way - should have quoted you, I liked the original better.

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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Edited by: Ren Nekk on 05/04/2010 05:35:172nd Edit: btw, you get no propz for scamming if you are not Riethe. In the case that you are not Riethe, it is clear that you are just some random *******. Bravo!

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Originally by: Ren Nekk

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Cool story bro etc. etc.

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Originally by: Bad Bobby

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So you scammed because MD elites called you a scammer, thereby proving yourself to be exactly what those elites accused you of being, entirely justifying their actions, proving that they called it right and proving that the MD system works as intended?

I don't think this teaches the lesson you think it does.

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Originally by: flakeys

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Originally by: Bad Bobby

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So you scammed because MD elites called you a scammer, thereby proving yourself to be exactly what those elites accused you of being, entirely justifying their actions, proving that they called it right and proving that the MD system works as intended?

I don't think this teaches the lesson you think it does.

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Why should he care , if he pulls this off he was merely looking for an excuse to scam not a reason.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Edited by: ITSAssassin on 21/02/2010 09:29:25

Originally by: Riethe

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Dang Cyaxares.... You big troll you. How will you sleep tonight?


Anyone seriously considering this, click my link first. It's basically the same scam, except this one is really poor quality.

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In what way is my fund a scam? I have done almost everything I can to explain what my business does. And seriously? I'm trying to scam investors out of 2.71bil? The logic behind your post is pretty bad. Another unrelated post

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Edited by: ITSAssassin on 05/04/2010 05:49:25

Originally by: Ren Nekk

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Edited by: Ren Nekk on 05/04/2010 05:35:172nd Edit: btw, you get no propz for scamming if you are not Riethe. In the case that you are not Riethe, it is clear that you are just some random *******. Bravo!

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You fail to realize why I have scammed. MD is broken, with all these high horse elites feeling that they can simply troll, without constructive suggestions on how to improve. You have to decipher the message that is hidden in all these insults and flames (my first reply to this offering started with "You fail hard...").

I am not looking for props, or fame. I am simply trying to send a message to Market Discussion inhabitants that this WILL happen again if their posting behaviour doesn't adjust. I don't care if a status quota has been put into place, it needs to change. If it doesn't, then more scams will occur. I'm just sick and tired of all this negativity, so i'm sending some back to you all.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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You fail to realize why I have scammed. Bleat, bleat, bleat.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Despite your continuously-demonstrated inability to communicate effectively, I will take the time to address your underlying, though poorly expressed, concern for the sake of others whom are interested. This topic has been covered before and will be covered again, but it's worth repeating in its various forms for the ever-changing general public.

MD works, and works surprisingly well, despite an absolute dearth of information and negligible recourse for righting broken promises or trust. It works because people are allowed to speak their minds and ask questions. This process makes available a huge range of information for decision-makers that would otherwise not be, as well as applying an ideally insurmountable cost to those whom are either unprepared to follow through with what they have presented or are being outright deceptive.

Those people who use this information to make decisions have the choice to ignore the opinions of those whom they believe to be trolls, idiots, etc. Furthermore, managers have the option to ignore, dismiss, partially-address, etc those comments or question that they believe are invalid or inflammatory, though the investor remain the final arbiter of the value of all the manager's actions.

Those of us who regularly take part in this process are well aware of its shortcomings, and we are constantly working to improve it. However, the process's very strength lies in its disorganization and its decentralization. The moment that any random person cannot point out a opinion that is valid to them, the whole thing falls apart.

An unfortunate side-effect of this freedom is the seemingly insulting nature of accusations, inferences, etc, valid or not. However, the simple solution is to keep your cool, use reason, and not to raise suspicion unnecessarily. This behavior does not suit everyone's temperament, nor is it always as easy as it sounds. However, losing potential managers is a small price to pay for an otherwise functioning system. Furthermore, the ability to handle the process shares common traits with the ability to responsibly handle public money, such that often potential managers who are lost to the process are ill-suited for handling public money anyway.

I highly doubt you can respond to this in a way that I'll take seriously, but I will respond if you can. To others who read this, I can elaborate or defend certain points in-game or in a new thread, but I will not in here, as it is not really the appropriate place.

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I want to have your children.

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Originally by: flakeys

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Originally by: Bad Bobby

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So you scammed because MD elites called you a scammer, thereby proving yourself to be exactly what those elites accused you of being, entirely justifying their actions, proving that they called it right and proving that the MD system works as intended?

I don't think this teaches the lesson you think it does.

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Why should he care , if he pulls this off he was merely looking for an excuse to scam not a reason.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Originally by: flakeys

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Originally by: Bad Bobby

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So you scammed because MD elites called you a scammer, thereby proving yourself to be exactly what those elites accused you of being, entirely justifying their actions, proving that they called it right and proving that the MD system works as intended?

I don't think this teaches the lesson you think it does.

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Why should he care , if he pulls this off he was merely looking for an excuse to scam not a reason.

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Hehe. I am saddened by the response this has received. People fail to understand and think that my lack of profits is the reason that I did it.... you all are wrong. The very reason that I said i'm doing this is the real reason i'm doing this. I seriously believe that the amount of negative criticism that comes from MD's regulars is improper and unfair.

Taram Caldar was the ONLY investor who had my back when it came to pointless trolling, and was the only person to regularly keep up with the thread. He offered the most constructive advice in the time period when my offering was in progress. SO, to prove my point, I am returning his initial principal of 1 Billion ISK. That's right, I'm returning someone's ISK who deserves to have it back (despite the threats about ratting on me; my alliance encourages theft and stealing, so that won't do anything =P).

But regardless, his ISK has been sent back to him. I'm sure this will be twisted and contorted, but I don't care. Anyone not taking the lesson i'm trying to teach to heart will most likely be scammed in the future by an alt of mine. Those who do, will have their ISK returned as Taram Caldar has had his ISK returned.

Twist and contort away....

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I seriously believe that the amount of negative criticism that comes from MD's regulars is improper and unfair.

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As a form of punishment - proving the trolls right by screwing those who believed in you suggest some judgment process that is either genius or idiot.

I'm not going to suggest which as I've not been apart of this thread. (My applause to Setra was about the purpose of critical inspection) I'm just going to say that unless things are properly set to square with your investors I will not trust you, any alt specified, or your auditor.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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I'm just going to say that unless things are properly set to square with your investors I will not trust you, any alt specified, or your auditor.[/justify]

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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ITSAssassin, by scamming your investors you are not punishing the 'MD Elite' who you are trying to teach a lesson to, but punishing the people who showed faith in you, supported you, and entrusted you with their isk - isn't that what you wanted? People to support and show positive comments towards your business. Certinaly people who are entrusting their hard earned ISK in you are the prime examples of those who are making positive actions in trusting and believing in your business? From what you've wrote, it is not them you are trying to punish, so why do so?

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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ITSAssassin, by scamming your investors you are not punishing the 'MD Elite' who you are trying to teach a lesson to, but punishing the people who showed faith in you, supported you, and entrusted you with their isk - isn't that what you wanted? People to support and show positive comments towards your business. Certinaly people who are entrusting their hard earned ISK in you are the prime examples of those who are making positive actions in trusting and believing in your business? From what you've wrote, it is not them you are trying to punish, so why do so?

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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I am bringing an end to the pointless trolling that occurs on MD for good. If it doesn't end here, then I will continue to scam in the future with alts until it does.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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I'm just thinking the OP is indulging in rabble rousing for the pure drama of it all.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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This scam WILL make a difference in the future of MD; just wait and see all of you who doubt it.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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[ Everytime an alt of mine successfully gains investor's ISK and the scam takes place, I will reveal that it was one of my alts.

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Originally by: cosmoray

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Massive/huge red flag. Expansion after 8 days.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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If anyone decides to take action against my main, I will simply buy another main, and you will not know who it is.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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-Investors: Take a more active role in your investment. If someone is talking down to a manager, defend them. If you don't, odds are you could be getting scammed very shortly.

-Trollers: change your posting style. Stop flaming business owners who work hard to make MD a great and reliable place to invest money. Post with CONSTRUCTIVE advice and critism. No insults, and no demeaning comments. If you flame, you are causing investors to be scammed. So stop doing it.

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Originally by: angry muppet

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If you don't believe me, then so be it. MD will eventually get the message. Maybe not now, maybe not after 5 scams, and maybe not even after 10... but you will learn. You treat business managers with disrespect, so I'm going to get that respect back for those of us who don't deserve the mistreatment.

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Assets
Ships: 738m

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Assets
Ships: 738m

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Hey, do you have the information on what kind of ships he has? I've been negotiating with a few griefer corps, and it would help with arranging payment if we knew what kind of stuff they can gank.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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If anyone decides to take action against my main, I will simply buy another main, and you will not know who it is.

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Edited by: ITSAssassin on 06/04/2010 09:06:02
My warnings have been communicated...

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Originally by: ITSAssassin

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Edited by: ITSAssassin on 06/04/2010 09:06:02
My warnings have been communicated...

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Um, did he actually go through and delete all his own posts? Wow .
Talk about a cowardly and useless gesture. Is the op 5 or something?

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Originally by: SetrakDark

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Originally by: Lord Arbalest

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Assets
Ships: 738m

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Hey, do you have the information on what kind of ships he has? I've been negotiating with a few griefer corps, and it would help with arranging payment if we knew what kind of stuff they can gank.

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Originally by: admiral fovios

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Interweb DIY diagnoses

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